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  • Pa. Homeowner Sues Seller Over Homes Bloody Past (ABC News)
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    ABC News - Pa. Homeowner Sues Seller Over Home's Bloody Past (ABC News)

A Pennsylvania woman has appealed to the state Supreme Court in her suit against a home seller and real estate agent who failed to disclose that a murder-suicide had taken place in the home she purchased.

When Janet Milliken, 59, moved from California after her husband died, she had hoped to start a new life with her two teenage children in Pennsylvania near her family.

She bought a home in Thornton, Pa., for $610,000 in June 2007. She learned a few weeks after she moved in from a next-door neighbor that a murder-suicide had occurred the year before in her home.

She sued the seller and the real estate agent for fraud and misrepresentation, saying they made a "deliberate choice not to disclose the home's recent past," according to a court document.

The trial judge granted summary judgment in favor of the defendants, saying state law does not require agents to disclose such events.

Then in December 2012, a panel of the state appeals court affirmed that decision, though with a nearly split decision.

The matter dates back to Feb. 11. 2006, when a previous homeowner, Konstantinos Koumboulis, allegedly shot and killed his wife, then shot himself in the master bedroom.

Joseph and Kathleen Jacono had bought the home Oct. 31, 2006, knowing of the murder-suicide, for $450,000. They later sold it to Milliken, who wants the transaction rescinded and her money back.

Filing a petition to the Supreme Court of Pennsylvania last week with the hope of arguing the case further, the attorney for Milliken, Tim Rayne, said they "hope to have Pennsylvania recognize that having a horrific event occur within a property can be just as damaging and troubling to a future homeowner as a physical defect, or perhaps even more so."

"Having a gunshot murder-suicide committed within the home is much more devastating than having a small leak concealed by the previous homeowner," Rayne said. "Physical defects can be fixed. Troubling events that could and did occur in this home could never go away."

Rayne said sellers should be required to disclose troubling events "at least for some period of time."

Abraham Reich, the attorney for the Jaconos and their agent with Re/Max, said, "The majority, en banc [full-court] opinion of the Superior Court was well reasoned and consistent with years of industry practice in Pennsylvania.

"While the issue is interesting, the number of times it comes up does not warrant Supreme Court review," Reich said. "The Superior Court opinion provides guidance for any real estate transaction in the future and puts to rest the uncertainty of whether a seller has a duty to disclose a murder-suicide or any other type 'psychological damage.' In my opinion, the result is a good one."

Rayne said Milliken, 59, was "disturbed" when she learned of her home's history from a neighbor. "As she was struggling what and if to tell the kids," he said, her children's friends visited the home for Halloween and told the children about the murder-suicide.

"They were very upset upon learning about it and disturbed about the whole situation," Rayne said.

"They were dealing with the death of a father and husband and wanted to move closer to family, and then this happened to them," he said. "It was a tragedy all around."

Rayne said Milliken and her children are still living in the home. He said they would prefer to move out of the home but can't afford to do so without selling it.

"They feel that if they sold it, through good conscience they would have to disclose," Rayne said, "so it would negatively impact the value."



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I purchase my last home 2 years ago . The lady died 3 weeks after the sale . I felt her spirit for a long time . I prayed and asked her to please leave and never return . Cry 
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My old apartment, the lady who lived next door told me a man had died...or several at some point.

That place gave me the creeps when I was there by myself. One time my bedroom door opened on its own. And my yorkie was forever barking at corners or doorways when there was no one there but me and him!

I was never so glad to move.

Turns out, my block/general neighborhood used to be an indian burial ground. Ermm

On the other hand, my grandfather passed away in his house, and I always felt safe and cozy there. :) So, I think it depends on who passed, and what kind of life they led and the energy they created.


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This kind of happened to me. A neighbor told me a man had died in there when she saw me moving in. I requested a different apartment. I guess that's not the same thing as a home though.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (4) Thanks(4)   Quote EPITOME Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Jan 28 2013 at 4:53pm
that's not died--that's a murder....difference...and it is generally illegal not to mention such things when selling a home.
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Yes..
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I don't understand why it would matter.

Lots of bad things happen in houses...people get raped, beaten, starved, abused, and killed. You're buying a house, not the experiences that happened in the house.
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Originally posted by modelbusiness82 modelbusiness82 wrote:

My old apartment, the lady who lived next door told me a man had died...or several at some point.

That place gave me the creeps when I was there by myself. One time my bedroom door opened on its own. And my yorkie was forever barking at corners or doorways when there was no one there but me and him!

I was never so glad to move.

Turns out, my block/general neighborhood used to be an indian burial ground. Ermm

On the other hand, my grandfather passed away in his house, and I always felt safe and cozy there. :) So, I think it depends on who passed, and what kind of life they led and the energy they created.

ShockedShockedShockedShockedShockedShockedShockedShocked see, ima need to start researching where i move.

eta: i tried to research my current apt as much as possible, had my bf drive there and scout it out, googled, etc but you never know what happened on the land.


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Originally posted by modelbusiness82 modelbusiness82 wrote:

My old apartment, the lady who lived next door told me a man had died...or several at some point.

That place gave me the creeps when I was there by myself. One time my bedroom door opened on its own. And my yorkie was forever barking at corners or doorways when there was no one there but me and him!

I was never so glad to move.

Turns out, my block/general neighborhood used to be an indian burial ground. Ermm

On the other hand, my grandfather passed away in his house, and I always felt safe and cozy there. :) So, I think it depends on who passed, and what kind of life they led and the energy they created.
ShockedCry I use to hear her foot steps and things would fall off the walls. She died without warning . I use to doubt spirits .
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