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Originally posted by tatee tatee wrote:

what exactly should they apologize for and what is an apology without remorse and regret?  it would be nothing more than a lie.  they neither feel remorseful or regret slavery. it gave them all the power, wealth and created the nations they have.  why exactly would they regret that power?  if anything its black people who should be apologizing to each other for not realizing that we had and have something worth dying for.

but  cheers and lol @ thinking slavery ended.
 
 
 
 
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Originally posted by blaquefoxx blaquefoxx wrote:

Originally posted by Naturalchick30 Naturalchick30 wrote:

Don't the "jews" get reparations of some sort?
Yes...plus the 9 Billion in aid to the Israelies. But lets not digress from the main point LOL
 
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Originally posted by Alias_Avi Alias_Avi wrote:

nope wouldn't matter.
Actually, I think it would matter... in theory

But it would matter more if Whites in totality were truly apologetic for the wrong doings of their people but they don't even consider themselves beneficiaries of slavery. Therefore; they are disconnected from sympathizing or empathizing with our modern day struggle
This is an interesting point you made because all white people think that way (and some black people too). They will say some sh!t like "were you a slave" or "I didn't do that to you" when the fact of the matter is that they are able to prosper because of the crimes of their ancestors. The fact that not only they deny this but are unconscious of it is what pisses me off (but not really because I already know the deal)

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Originally posted by EPITOME EPITOME wrote:

Obama better not issue that damn apology. He's not white enough
This is actually funny and ironic at the same time...but I will not go there.


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Originally posted by tatee tatee wrote:

what exactly should they apologize for and what is an apology without remorse and regret?  it would be nothing more than a lie.  they neither feel remorseful or regret slavery. it gave them all the power, wealth and created the nations they have.  why exactly would they regret that power?  if anything its black people who should be apologizing to each other for not realizing that we had and have something worth dying for.

but  cheers and lol @ thinking slavery ended.
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I just came across this article, don't know where else to put it so I'll drop it here
It's all relevant anyhow

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What is “sub-Saharan Africa” exactly?

by Robin Dixon on April 6, 2012

 

globe with Africa in green


An article published earlier this year from Pambazuka News circulated quickly around the Firelight office. Pambazuka took on the term “sub-Saharan Africa” with a well-done outline of its history and debated the use of the term. We hear critiques of the term every now and then so we’re posting the article here for you to read too and join our conversation.

Let us know what you think.

“What Exactly Does ‘sub-Sahara Africa’ Mean?

It appears increasingly fashionable in the West for a number of broadcasters, websites, news agencies, newspapers and magazines, the United Nations/allied agencies and some governments, writers and academics to use the term ‘sub-Sahara Africa’ to refer to all of Africa except the five predominantly Arab states of north Africa (Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, Libya, Egypt) and the Sudan, a north-central African country. Even though its territory is mostly located south of the Sahara Desert, the Sudan is excluded from the ‘sub-Sahara Africa’ tagging by those who promote the use of the epithet because the regime in power in Khartoum describes the country as ‘Arab’ despite its majority African population.

But the concept ‘sub-Sahara Africa’ is absurd and misleading, if not a meaningless classificatory schema. Its use defies the science of the fundamentals of geography but prioritises hackneyed and stereotypical racist labelling. It is not obvious, on the face of it, which of the four possible meanings of the prefix ‘sub’ its users attach to the ‘sub-Sahara Africa’ labelling. Is it ‘under’ the Sahara Desert or ‘part of’/‘partly’ the Sahara Desert? Or, presumably, ‘partially’/‘nearly’ the Sahara Desert or even the very unlikely (hopefully!) application of ‘in the style of, but inferior to’ the Sahara Desert, especially considering that there is an Arab people sandwiched between Morocco and Mauritania (northwest Africa) called Saharan?

PRE-LIBERATION SOUTH AFRICA
The example of South Africa is appropriate here. Prior to the formal restoration of African majority government in 1994, South Africa was never designated ‘sub-Sahara Africa’, unlike the rest of the 13 African-led states in southern Africa, which were also often referred to at the time as the ‘frontline states’. South Africa then was either termed ‘white South Africa’ or the ‘South Africa sub-continent’ (as in the ‘India sub-continent’ usage, for instance), meaning ‘almost’/‘partially’ a continent – quite clearly a usage of ‘admiration’ or ‘compliment’ employed by its subscribers to essentially project and valorise the perceived geostrategic potentials or capabilities of the erstwhile regime.

But soon after the triumph of the African freedom movement there, South Africa became ‘sub-Sahara Africa’ in the quickly adjusted schema of this representation. What happened suddenly to South Africa’s geography for it to be so differently classified? Is it African liberation/rule that renders an African state ‘sub-Sahara’? Does this post-1994 West-inflected South Africa-changed classification make ‘sub-Sahara Africa’ any more intelligible? Interestingly, just as in the South Africa ‘sub-continent’ example, the application of the ‘almost’/‘partially’ or indeed ‘part of’/‘partly’ meaning of prefix ‘sub-’ to ‘Sahara Africa’ focuses unambiguously on the following countries of Africa: Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, Libya and Egypt, each of which has 25-75 per cent of its territory (especially to the south) covered by the Sahara Desert. It also focuses on Mauritania, Mali, Niger, Chad and the Sudan, which variously have 25-75 per cent of their territories (to the north) covered by the same desert. In effect, these 10 states would make up sub-Sahara Africa.

Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, Libya and Egypt, the five Arab north Africa countries, do not, correctly, describe themselves as Africans even though they unquestionably habituate African geography, the African continent, since the Arab conquest and occupation of this north one-third of African territory in the 7th century CE. The Western governments, press and the transnational bodies (which are led predominantly by Western personnel and interests) have consistently ‘conceded’ to this Arab cultural insistence on racial identity. Presumably, this accounts for the West’s non-designation of its ‘sub-Sahara Africa’ dogma to these countries as well as the Sudan, whose successive Arab-minority regimes since January 1956 have claimed, but incorrectly, that the Sudan ‘belongs’ to the Arab world. On this subject, the West does no doubt know that what it has been engaged in, all along, is blatant sophistry and not science. This, however, conveniently suits its current propaganda packaging on Africa, which we shall be elaborating on shortly.

It would appear that we still don’t seem to be any closer to establishing, conclusively, what its users mean by ‘sub-Sahara Africa’. Could it, perhaps, just be a benign reference to all the countries ‘under’ the Sahara, whatever their distances from this desert, to interrogate our final, fourth probability? Presently, there are 53 so-called sovereign states in Africa. If the five north Africa Arab states are said to be located ‘above’ the Sahara, then 48 are positioned ‘under’. The latter would therefore include all the five countries mentioned above whose north frontiers incorporate the southern stretches of the desert (namely, Mauritania, Mali, Niger, Chad and the Sudan), countries in central Africa (the Congos, Rwanda, Burundi, etc., etc), for instance, despite being 2000-2500 miles away, and even the southern African states situated 3000-3500 miles away. In fact, all these 48 countries, except the Sudan (alas, not included for the plausible reason already cited), which is clearly ‘under’ the Sahara and situated within the same latitudes as Mali, Niger and Chad (i.e., between 10 and 20 degrees north of the equator), are all categorised by the ‘sub-Sahara Africa’ users as ‘sub-Sahara Africa’.

2012 WORLDWIDE CLASSIFICATORY SCHEMA?
To replicate this obvious farce of a classification elsewhere in the world, the following random exercise is not such an indistinct scenario for universal, everyday, referencing:

  1. Australia hence becomes ‘sub-Great Sandy Australia’ after the hot deserts that cover much of west and central Australia.
  2. East Russia, east of the Urals, becomes ‘sub-Siberia Asia’.
  3. China, Japan and Indonesia are reclassified ‘sub-Gobi Asia’.
  4. Bhutan, Nepal, Pakistan, India, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, Myanmar, Thailand, Laos, Cambodia and Vietnam become ‘sub-Himalaya Asia’.
  5. All of Europe is ‘sub-Arctic Europe’.
  6. 
Most of England, central and southern counties, is renamed ‘sub-Pennines Europe’.
  7. 
East/southeast France, Italy, Slovenia, Croatia are ‘sub-Alps Europe’.
  8. The Americas become ‘sub-Arctic Americas’.
  9. All of South America, south of the Amazon, is proclaimed ‘sub-Amazon South America’; Chile could be ‘sub-Atacama South America’.
  10. Most of New Zealand’s South Island is renamed ‘sub-Southern Alps New Zealand’.
  11. 
Mexico, Guatemala, Honduras, Nicaragua, Costa Rica and Panama become ‘sub-Rocky North America’.
  12. The entire Caribbean becomes ‘sub-Appalachian Americas’.

RACIST CODING
So, rather than some benign construct, ‘sub-Sahara Africa’ is, in the end, an outlandish nomenclatural code that its users employ to depict an African-led ‘sovereign’ state – anywhere in Africa, as distinct from an Arab-led one. More seriously to the point, ‘sub-Sahara Africa’ is employed to create the stunning effect of a supposedly shrinking African geographical landmass in the popular imagination, coupled with the continent’s supposedly attendant geostrategic global ‘irrelevance’.

‘Sub-Sahara Africa’ is undoubtedly a racist geopolitical signature in which its users aim repeatedly to present the imagery of the desolation, aridity, and hopelessness of a desert environment. This is despite the fact that the overwhelming majority of one billion Africans do not live anywhere close to the Sahara, nor are their lives so affected by the implied impact of the very loaded meaning that this dogma intends to convey. Except this steadily pervasive use of ‘sub-Sahara Africa’ is robustly challenged by rigorous African-centred scholarship and publicity work, its proponents will succeed, eventually, in substituting the name of the continent ‘Africa’ with ‘sub-Sahara Africa’ and the name of its peoples, ‘Africans’, with ‘sub-Sahara Africans’ or, worse still, ‘sub-Saharans’ in the realm of public memory and reckoning.”



Edited by Alias_Avi - Jan 13 2013 at 10:41am
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No, I don't need their apology. I pray everyday and thank all of my ancestors that came before me.
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At this point, an apology would mean $hit to me (am Jamaican so my history is only a little different).
i don't have time for retrospection, we need to look at what is going on now that is stopping blacks from advancing and address those issues, rather than letting it continue and demand an apology for it in 50 years...
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