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    Posted: Oct 07 2013 at 11:23pm
 I'm not sure if higher education necessarily leads to upward social mobility in the United States. This article got me thinking. My SO is a skilled tradesman and has a much higher earning potential than I do. I honestly believe that vocational programs and skilled trades may pay more dividends than 4-year or advanced degree programs. I know we've had this discussion before, but I'm curious to see if the perception has changed.

Survey: Nigerians Most Educated in the U.S.

Analysis of U.S. Census data and other surveys show Nigerian immigrants and their descendants score highest when it comes to earning degrees.

By Naeesa Aziz
Posted: 03/20/2012 11:02 AM EDT
USA education, college, Nigerian immigrants, most educated in the United States

Nigerian Americans have long been known for their community’s intense cultural emphasis on education, and now an analysis of Census data coupled with several local surveys shows that Nigerians don't just value education, but surpass all other U.S. ethnic groups when it comes to obtaining degrees.

 

"Being Black, you are already at a disadvantage," Oluyinka Olutoye, an associate professor of pediatric surgery at Baylor College of Medicine, told the Houston Chronicle. "You really need to excel far above if you want to be considered for anything in this country."

 

According to 2006 census data, 37 percent of Nigerians in the U.S. had bachelor's degrees, 17 percent held master's degrees and 4 percent had doctorates. In contrast, the same census data showed only 19 percent of white Americans had bachelor’s degrees, 8 percent held master’s degrees and only 1 percent held doctorates, the paper reports.

 

The census data was bolstered by an independent analysis of 13 annual Houston-area surveys conducted by Rice University and commissioned by the Chronicle.

 

"These are higher levels of educational attainment than were found in any other...community," Stephen Klineberg, a sociologist at Rice University who conducts the annual Houston Area Survey, told the paper.

 

However, despite the strides in education made by many African immigrants, including Nigerian-Americans, discrimination still colors their prospects for employment. A study of 2010 employment data by the Economic Policy Institute showed that, across nationalities and ethnic groups, Black immigrants carried the highest unemployment rate of all foreign-born workers.

 

In addition to cultural expectations about obtaining higher education, the paper reports that many African immigrants are more likely to pursue higher education as a means of maintaining their immigrant status in the U.S.

 

"In a way, it's a Catch-22 — because of immigration laws you are forced to remain in school, but then the funny thing is you end up getting your doctorate at the age of 29," Amadu Jacky Kaba, an associate professor at Seton Hall University in South Orange, NJ, told the paper. "If you stay in school, immigration will leave you alone."

 


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Yes. I will be encouraging my Black American sons & daughters to go to college.
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definitely college is a great stepping stone and marker to hit

and there are lucrative degrees ...

you can be a business major and still learn a trade and build a great company ... a degree and a skill aren't mutually exclusive
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I read this stat a couple years ago.
Amazing stat.

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only 20% of whites have a degree, I wouldn't have guessed that number

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Yay, my peoples! And yes I would! I'm glad my parents made me go. Just the experience alone is worth it.
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Originally posted by carolina cutie carolina cutie wrote:

Yes. I will be encouraging my Black American sons & daughters to go to college.
 
The question wasn't intended to be divisive. It was a genuine question of targeted investment. Despite being the most educated, Black immigrants have the highest unemployment rate. It is reflective of the deeply entrenched racism that exists in the United States. Honestly, I will most likely encourage my sons to go to trade school unless they have a scholarship or unless they are pursuing a field with high employment. I kind of think education has sort of become a tool to keep many minorities in crippling debt, leaving them limited assets to pass on to their children. A 4-year degree just isn't the same investment it was 20 years ago.
 
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Long overdue article

Tired of Asian Americans being paraded as the "model minorities"... what a backward ass compliment/myth






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I would like to know how many of them, in proportion to the degree-holders, have been able to successfully pay back their loans or are currently able to pay them
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Originally posted by rickysrose rickysrose wrote:

definitely college is a great stepping stone and marker to hit

and there are lucrative degrees ...

you can be a business major and still learn a trade and build a great company ... a degree and a skill aren't mutually exclusive
 
No, they aren't mutually exclusive, but from a cost benefit standpoint, college is only a good investment if there is a high probability of return (and usually the lucrative programs are difficult to get into, ergo most people can't pursue the lucrative programs) or if it is low cost. My issue is that many do not save to send their children to college, resulting in large debt with a limited opportunity for a return on that investment. Is it the prestige that we are pursuing, or are we actually thinking of college as an investment?
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