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Originally posted by Diane (35) Diane (35) wrote:

But Fee, the service charge is pooled and then everyone takes a cut. And that is if the boss pays it over. At a certain AI I know that they just did not pay over the tips (its a formula based on occupancy per day) for years. Talking to hotel workers they'll tell you it's widespread.


 

ive heard of that

@ the bolded.... wouldnt that mean everybody gets paid the same? a cut as in equally shared?


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Originally posted by ThoughtCouture ThoughtCouture wrote:

Originally posted by Diane (35) Diane (35) wrote:

A tip is not a service charge is not a gratuity.

 
 
this may be the case when the workers are already receiving fair wages.  but when they are not, the lines can become blurred...

Not talking along those lines TC lolol but this is the article that was the wakeup call for me here in Ja. and that r@ss gratuity.


One — a service charge is generally not discretionary. A fly could be doing the backstroke in your soup that your waiter spilt on you and you may still be required to pay the service charge. After all, it's not called a 'good-service' charge.

Here is where the difference between a service charge and a gratuity becomes critical. Gratuities paid to employees are exempt from GCT but service charges are not. If service charges were exempt from GCT, the owner of the restaurant, club or bar could reduce the prices of the meals and drinks and increase the service charge as a way of reducing the taxable portion of the bill.

Before you restaurateurs go and reprint your menus to replace the phrase 'service charge' with 'gratuity' you should know that the label doesn't determine what the thing really is. For example, a statement that "a 10 per cent gratuity will be added to parties of six or more" isn't really a gratuity at all if it's mandatory. It's a service charge that those 6 or more socialites are required to pay whether they are grateful for the service or not.

 Of greater significance, therefore, is whether the charge (a) is automatically applied to the bill, and (b) is capable of being decreased or removed by the customer. In general, a service charge is automatically applied to the bill and cannot be removed by the customer, a gratuity may be either automatically applied (for "convenience" as they say) or added by the customer and can be removed by the customer. A tip is added to the bill by the customer as he or she sees fit or simply left as cash on the table.

From a tax perspective, if the customer has the right to remove a gratuity that has been automatically added to the bill (for "convenience", of course) then the gratuity, even though not removed, should be exempt from GCT. If the customer is denied that right then it's not a gratuity but is really a service charge, and a service charge by any other name is just as taxable.


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Originally posted by Wildfire Wildfire wrote:

If my meal costs 3 grand, and its gonna move to 3,300, i wouldn't have a problem with that. Once the workers are being properly paid. ...clearly they will not earn executive salaries....i dont think MW is an unfair salary for a server
Domestic workers who break their backs day in day out, are being paid that. They should be paid more too, if servers should get more than MW.
 
and so we are simply saying if you know (here) that the workers are making $2.13/hr and are relying on tips, and you know that if they were paid at least minimum wage the prices would go up AT LEAST 10% (but probably more like 15-20...see where i'm going here?) why wouldn't you tip them, since the total out of pocket cost for your meal would be more anyway, if they were paid at least minimum wage?
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Originally posted by Wildfire Wildfire wrote:

If my meal costs 3 grand, and its gonna move to 3,300, i wouldn't have a problem with that. Once the workers are being properly paid. ...clearly they will not earn executive salaries....i dont think MW is an unfair salary for a server
Domestic workers who break their backs day in day out, are being paid that. They should be paid more too, if servers should get more than MW.

hmmm i pay my helper more than minimum wage i realised the other day (thanks YardGirl, by me I mean mommy) but the gardener and the helper are unskilled workers right, no certifcation needed. They have a less stressful job if you look at it that the waiter is dealing with all the persons in the restaurant (customers call on any waiter not just the one assigned) and trying to juggle and rush the kitchen and bar staff and deal with the hostess/clear tables etc etc. The waiter/ess needs CXC subjects and a food handlers permit at minimum. Possible a couple hospitality courses as well.
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Originally posted by SamoneLenior SamoneLenior wrote:


well most paeople are complaing about paying a $1.50 to $15 tip....which I find gross

that means your bill was $10 to $100

it is really hurting people to do this?

you can afford a $10 to $100 meal but not the small ass tip?

keep your ass home


right bc nobody is forcing you to eat out. they have grocery stores for a reason. use your pots, pans, and 'tricty. 
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I'm paying for my food. I dont owe anybody anything. I donate to a boys' home, and i help out the old lady next door. I'm good with that.
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I know cashiers make about $7000-$1000 but i dont know if that is weekly or fortnightly and i dont know if it's after tax. Next time i head to the supermarket i'll ask. I'd never ask a waiter/ess how much they make and i dont know anyone who is a waiter or waitress.
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yanno what i kinda dont understand..?

when you buy a groupon.. and they ALWAYS make sure to put, 'please tip on the full value of meal' 

i dont quite understand that.. 
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Originally posted by Diane (35) Diane (35) wrote:

Originally posted by ThoughtCouture ThoughtCouture wrote:

Originally posted by Diane (35) Diane (35) wrote:

A tip is not a service charge is not a gratuity.

 
 
this may be the case when the workers are already receiving fair wages.  but when they are not, the lines can become blurred...

Here is where the difference between a service charge and a gratuity becomes critical. Gratuities paid to employees are exempt from GCT but service charges are not. If service charges were exempt from GCT, the owner of the restaurant, club or bar could reduce the prices of the meals and drinks and increase the service charge as a way of reducing the taxable portion of the bill.

 
hmmmm...this is interesting.   so are you saying that gratuities that workers receive there, they do not have to pay taxes on?  if so that is not the case here.  workers here are taxed on their base pay as well as tips (discretionary or not)
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Originally posted by coconess coconess wrote:

yanno what i kinda dont understand..?

when you buy a groupon.. and they ALWAYS make sure to put, 'please tip on the full value of meal' 

i dont quite understand that.. 


i kinda get that.  theyre saying the wait staff got nothin to do with you getting a deal and they still need to get paid.
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