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Originally posted by ms_wonderland ms_wonderland wrote:

Originally posted by JoliePoufiasse JoliePoufiasse wrote:

Originally posted by ms_wonderland ms_wonderland wrote:

every leader of every powerful nation has had to kill.  
 
I know. And I understand that. But that's the exact reason why I didn't believe in his tears. It's just too neatly compartmentalized in these leaders' minds. He definitely did NOT deserve that Nobel Prize, even though I'm aware he never asked for it in the first place. He gets his hands dirty like any other politician

i do agree with your theory on politicians but i don't believe it is all so black/white.  that violence occurred within borders he is supposed to keep safe...he did not "fake" cry during the aurora shooting b/c it was not a classroom of 1st graders.  but i do have a question...do you think he is able to feel for tragedies within his own family?
 
Of course. You are misunderstanding me. I'm not saying that he has no feelings. In lots of ways, he is a man of principles and there are aspects of him that I admire. But he is also a politician and I just didn't buy the teary eyed response. It looked fake and overkill to me. Maybe not to you, but that's how I saw it. The man is a career politician first and foremost. They have teams that advise them how to respond in public, on camera during events like this. Let's not act like that never happens and that he is somehow immune to it. Maybe I'm being cynical. I just didn,t buy it.

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Originally posted by Sang Froid Sang Froid wrote:

Originally posted by JoliePoufiasse JoliePoufiasse wrote:

Of course, it hits closer to home when it's close to you. But children remain children, whether they are in the U.S, in Kenya (you know, where is dad is from?), in Yemen or in the North Pole. That's why I just can't get behind politicians' tears. I just don't trust it. How you gonna have a kill list that you replenish EVERY SINGLE WEEK knowing that these drones are bound to hit innocent civilians and that they are NOT as precise and "surgical" as you make it out to be and then try to convince that you give a shyt about kids in general? I understand he has a difficult job and has to make hard choices but a politician is a politician is a politician

You act like he built the drones with his bare hands.
Honestly speaking, nobody cares.


This is why nobody likes the US. 

This is why people can't stand us! Not because they're jealous. But because most of yall are hella insensitive and ignorant about the rest of the world.
 
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Originally posted by BrownQtee BrownQtee wrote:

When you have representatives such as Michelle Bachmann being reelected, there is definitely a big problem. I do think blacks need to get more involved in their local political races.
I am originally from MN so I had to go in on folks via FB for this f#ckery. I found so many black folks at my poling station talking about they are only voting top line for Obama. I had to actually explain to grown people why they needed to vote for the local races like I was damn civics teacher. I don't even live in the hood either so I can only imagine how few people give a f#ck in the real inner city.

For what it is worth I see both sides of this argument.
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i didnt read the thread, but since the whole shooting happened ive really felt there was a racial undertone in the media's response and Obama's.  i really dont feel like the response would have been the same had it been a black shooter or black victims. thats just me though.


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Originally posted by femmemichelle femmemichelle wrote:

Originally posted by Sang Froid Sang Froid wrote:

Originally posted by JoliePoufiasse JoliePoufiasse wrote:

Of course, it hits closer to home when it's close to you. But children remain children, whether they are in the U.S, in Kenya (you know, where is dad is from?), in Yemen or in the North Pole. That's why I just can't get behind politicians' tears. I just don't trust it. How you gonna have a kill list that you replenish EVERY SINGLE WEEK knowing that these drones are bound to hit innocent civilians and that they are NOT as precise and "surgical" as you make it out to be and then try to convince that you give a shyt about kids in general? I understand he has a difficult job and has to make hard choices but a politician is a politician is a politician

You act like he built the drones with his bare hands.
Honestly speaking, nobody cares.


This is why nobody likes the US. 

This is why people can't stand us! Not because they're jealous. But because most of yall are hella insensitive and ignorant about the rest of the world.
 
 
Yup. And frankly, sometimes people outside the U.S. know more about U.S policies than americans themselves. I've seen brilliant documentaries and pieces of investigative journalism (both during the Bush era and the Obama era) that NEVER MADE IT ON AMERICAN AIRWAVES and never will. Hell, when Obama was elected, I shouted and screamed and beamed with pride like everyone else. And then I learned a few things and realized that he's not nearly as progressive as he appears to be on some topics. Frankly, I don't even know why republicans dislike him so much (aside from the obvious colour of his skin) because they ain't joking when they say that he is a centrist. There are things happening under his administration that even that cursed Bush did not touch
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Originally posted by JoliePoufiasse JoliePoufiasse wrote:

Originally posted by rickysrose rickysrose wrote:

He sends his kids to school everyday knowing that out there, there are people that wish him harm

I could see this hitting home for him

So for people that feel his tears were empty ... this didn't affect you at all?  Not a tear, not a tinge?
 
Of course, I was affected by this tragedy. Those were 5-7 year old kids. But folks don't want to admit that politicians will display certain emotions for political capital, and that can include Obama himself. There was a really interesting documentary on this a few years back, where expert analysts of human behaviour/body language were analyzing televised responses by various politicians from different countries (there was one with Tony Blair that was just hilarious). I saw it and I think that some of the emotion he displayed was feigned. Not that I'm saying he wasn't touched by what happened, if he's human, he probably was. But politicians choreograph their responses all the time and that's what it looked like TO ME.

Originally posted by JoliePoufiasse JoliePoufiasse wrote:

Originally posted by rickysrose rickysrose wrote:

He sends his kids to school everyday knowing that out there, there are people that wish him harm

I could see this hitting home for him

So for people that feel his tears were empty ... this didn't affect you at all?  Not a tear, not a tinge?
 
Of course, I was affected by this tragedy. Those were 5-7 year old kids. But folks don't want to admit that politicians will display certain emotions for political capital, and that can include Obama himself. There was a really interesting documentary on this a few years back, where expert analysts of human behaviour/body language were analyzing televised responses by various politicians from different countries (there was one with Tony Blair that was just hilarious). I saw it and I think that some of the emotion he displayed was feigned. Not that I'm saying he wasn't touched by what happened, if he's human, he probably was. But politicians choreograph their responses all the time and that's what it looked like TO ME.

As much as I hate to defend politicians, from my recent experiences in my school (where we are being coached on how to physically display affection even though we are very compassionate to people's ailments) and it is more difficult than it looks. How a person might feel inwardly might not always align to what is being displayed outwardly. Politicians are scrutinized down to every pore. And the old saying "actions speaks louder than words" rings especially true in their case. So it is necessary at times to be coached so that these two states can be reconciled. So I don't know why it is so baffling to think that they will need choreographing. This world is superficial. 

In Obama's case, you can obviously tell he was distressed by what happened. The US president crying contradicts the intimidating, stoic, (yet relatable ONLY to his fellow americans), figure that this nation wants to display their president as being to other countries. Him crying goes against everything that he is encouraged to display.
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Originally posted by JasonWllms55 JasonWllms55 wrote:

i didnt read the thread, but since the whole shooting happened ive really felt there was a racial undertone in the media's response and Obama's.  i really dont feel like the response would have been the same had it been a black shooter or black victims. thats just me though.



I agree. I felt like this since the batman movie massacre and Lilica's siggy explains my feelings perfectly. 
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the republicans are probably all over him for crying

Im almost afraid to say that because Id hate to see the commentary posted
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imagine what mm could do with a solid a education

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This was my first thought. How he wanna get up there and pretend he crying when his actions or inactions have indirectly led to the deaths and maiming of hundreds of other children? I can't stand hypocrisy. And this is coming from someone who likes Obama.
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