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Originally posted by kwicherbichen kwicherbichen wrote:

I 100% agree that when it comes to type 4 hair, MOISTURE is everything. I, myself, am trying the GHE method for the first time this week.

I think what you're trying to consolidate are methods that keep the hair moisturized. If I were you, I'd<span style="line-height: 1.4;"> consider organizing this information, writing an e-book, get some testimonials and makes some money, lol.</span>

I think a good way to organize this information is to:
1. explain why type 4 hair gets dry so quickly
2. explain why type 4 hair gets tangled more easily
3. what needs to happen to have tangle-free, moisturized, coil-popping hair (answer: moisture and hair that clumps together)
3. provide different techniques that accomplish both of these
4. testimonials (that are well documented... some of these youtube videos are just "all over the place" as someone else said) that show people who used techniques, the time-frame, and the results they got.

Am I in the ball-park of what you are trying to do?



Thank you for the suggestions. I will try to come up with a few shortened and summed up methods & regimens and post them on here. As for ebook, that sounds great, but that's a ways away for me, at least for now.
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Originally posted by kwicherbichen kwicherbichen wrote:

Is this video a good example of the method you're talking about?
http://youtu.be/gDQFUAJT8_s


What would happen if I did what this girl does AND did GHE?




Love that vid, but what I would tweak is clarifying the hair first with either acv, bentonite clay or both. There are some other things, and I'm beginning to see where people are getting lost here, it's a lot of information to read. but I will do is update this post later on with the simple, step by step, summed up regimens I have in mind, in a couple hours or as soon as I can get back to my computer. Thanks again
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Originally posted by kwicherbichen kwicherbichen wrote:

Is this video a good example of the method you're talking about?
http://youtu.be/gDQFUAJT8_s


What would happen if I did what this girl does AND did GHE?
Yes these girls are using the shingling method and with the denman brush that Teri LaFlesh describes in her book. Here she is herself talking about the method





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Okay here is the MAX HYDRATION METHOD I am talking about:

Prestep for first timer

If you're doing this method for the first time, I would suggest starting off with a Modified or regular Cherry Lola Treatment. After that, this can be done as often as every 2 weeks. I myself have only done the treatment twice. The first time I did it I did the regular version, only I didn't have liquid aminos. The second time I did the modified version, along with the liquid aminos. This was a few months ago, but I noticed and still notice the effect it had on my hair. It is what set me up to have root to tip definition in certain areas of my hair.

The modified version is a combination of the Caramel Treatment, and Cherry Lola

Ingredients:
Greek yogurt (2 cups)
Baking soda (2 tbsp)
Organic apple cider vinegar (2 tbsp)
Raw coconut aminos(or just regular aminos, but i personally didn't like soy in my hair) (2 tbsp)
Raw honey (1/2 tbsp)
Unsulfured molasses (1 tbsp)
Half an over ripe plantain or banana
Avocado (3/4 tbsp)
1 egg (optional, but I used it no problem)

blend the ingredients in your blender.
saturate your dry (but detangled) hair completely from root to tip with the mixture.
put a shower cap and let sit for 1.5-2 hours.
Rinse out completely with warm/hot water.
co wash with botanical/cg friendly conditioner. ( whatever you wash your hair with will be absorbed into the hair shaft, so no silicones, parabens, sulfates, drying denatured alcohol)
apply more conditioner but leave it in.
seal with botanical gel

if you choose to do the regular recipe, it is the same as this only substract the vinegar, overriped banana and advocado, egg, and molasses. after doing this you can cowash. and continue on from there to a wash and go. DONT do an acv rinse directly after this. You can do a cowash and maybe do a cold rinse with conditioner afterword and that will be enough to reclose the cuticle. The point of temporarily opening the hair cuticle is so the moisture can get in, it makes no sense to just reclose it before actually putting the moisture in your hair.

Step 1: Clarify

Option 1: Apple cider vinegar rinse. You do a 1:1 ratio of apple cider vinegar with water in an applicator bottle. Apply in sections. Let it sit in the hair for 30- 1 hr before rinsing.

Option 2: Baking soda rinse. Mix 1.5 tablespoons of baking soda into 1/3 a cup conditioner. Apply to hair in sections and let sit on the hair for 10-30 minutes.

Option 3: Alternating between either rinse. You can opt to do each rinse every other day/night. It's up to you to experiment.



Step 2: Cowash&detangle

Option 1: Apply warm conditioner in your hair in sections. Let it sit for 10 minutes, rinse out with warm water, while detangling under the water. if you are doing this step, first pour the conditioner into a microwavable bowl, and microwave for no more than 10-15 sec if you are using the microwave to heat your conditioner. NEVER just stick the bottle of conditioner straight into the microwave. no. trust me.

Option 2: Apply conditioner to your hair in sections, and deep condition by covering your hair in a shower cap. Maybe put a scarf over it to trap heat. This can be done overnight, as exceedinggrace mentioned in her post. The first two steps can actually be done before bed. in the morning, you can detangle your hair before going in the shower or also under the running water in section, your hair will have enough slip to detangle outside of the shower though.

Option 3: Apply conditioner to you hair, put on a shower cap, and steam your hair.Akedafitgirl does this once a week, and does her hair every 2-3 days. I would recommend trying to do it more often, as her hair already has maximum hydration, we are trying to build that up.  detangle before getting in the shower and in the shower under the running water, similar to the first step.

EDIT: sorry guys, i forgot to mention this is also the step you detangle your hair in!

Step 3: Bentonite clay rinseWith all options, leave the rinse on the hair for at least 15 minutes before rinsing, and remember to apply in sections.

Option 1: Bentonite clay rinse with out apple cider vinegar

ingredients(rough measurements):
1 cup bentonite clay
1.5 cup warm water
1 tbspn of honey
1 tblspn of olive oil

Option 2: bentonite clay with apple cider vinegar Same, just add vinegar.

Option 3: Ready made bentonite clay rinse, or any other type of clay used to clarify hair examples like rohsoul clay (excuse me if that's misspelled, I will go back to correct it) or terrasentials.

Step 4: Leave in Conditioner
Following the cg rules, avoid any conditioner with silicones, sulfates, and drying alchols. Other than that, apply thoroughly in sections, you really want you hair to be wet. application techniques include smoothing and raking, twirling or whatever technique works for you. These are suggestions, there's no set rule on specific application techniques imo, just apply enough so your hair glides through and you feel slip. Same with gel.



Step 5: Apply Botanical Gel of your choice

Option 1: use a small amount of oil (or however much you feel you need) for extra sealing before gel if you find you need it, for more softness.

Option2: don't. it's up to you.

In application of gel, you should be putting enough so you can feel the gel slip, that way you know it's coated the hair. A technique that has worked for me is starting the gel application at the base of the section, like i'm slicking my edges or applying a root touch up with hair dye. then smooth it down the rest of the strand and proceed to rake, smooth, and spread the gel evenly. Apply more gel if you need to spread it further. Do this in sections and twirl and clip the sections away with a shower clip as you go along. This will help keep you organized. When I both the leave in and gel step, it takes 30-40 minutes, so it's fast in comparison to what I needed to do before.

This is the step where you will see your curls pop and clump together.


Finished.


Optional steps for stretching

Step 6: stretching options


Option 1: Clipping

Rachaelcpr actually does something similar to this one of her videos. I recommend taking as many sections as you need, twirling/rolling/single twisting/French roll whatever you call it, and clipping it in place. Leave it like that for maybe 30 minutes or as you get dressed, take the clips out, and shake. This should give a slight stretch.


Option 2: Wear your hair in a rolled half ponytail

You can actually do this on short hair. Just section the top of your hair (the part used in making a half pony) and section that into two on either sides(left and right).

Take one section of freshly defined hair (don't worry about it being wet, the definition stays) and roll it towards the back of your head like a French roll, pinning in place. Do the same with the other side. Wear this for the day. When you get back, your hair will be dry. Take the pins out, unroll your hair and shake. Your hair will be stretched but sticking up. Take a satin scarf and arrange your hair the way you want it to fall before gently securing it (not to tight).

By the morning your hair will be a smushed, but the curls will remain unfrizzy, and they won't be completely oblitherated either (a big problem I would have w/ set styles) because of the gel. Now take you fingers to your roots and jiggle them in a back and forth motion, gently. This should shake loose your now stretched curls for second day hair. If you want a stretch for third day, you only have to put the scarf on your head to sleep.

This should stretch the top half of your hair for a bob like shape, but won't interfere with the curl pattern like twisting and braiding would imo, and also with out drying your hair out with heat.



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Originally posted by LadyAradia LadyAradia wrote:

This girl and all the examples you've shown all have 3c hair or type 3 hair. Show some one with majority of 4a, 4b, 4c hair succeeding from doing this. I was able to
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  I think the lovely young lady in this video misquoted on a few things. It was my understanding that Teri never blow dries and she did use finger combing in her videos before the denman brush.  She also says in her book cowashing and prepooing are fine if they work for you. Other than that, I agree with this girl TOTALLY and she is a 4b/c. 
She did exactly what I advise. She studied BOTH SYSTEMS and picked bits and pieces from each that work for her and her hair.  
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Another Tightly Curly Method girl with 4c tiny winy Afro

Another Tightly Curly Lady's experience. 4a-c

Pink I read your post above and I really like you posted a modification of the Cherry Lola Treatment. I do a Cherry Lola at least once per month if not twice. I also very much like the suggestions you offered for stretching the hair with twists  or little pony tails. Very good suggestions!Clap


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I think the fundamental disagreement we are having is the fact you believe just the tightly curly method, straight from the book is the perfect regimen for the hair. I believe neither regimens straight from the book is good for the hair. But I do believe the cg method gravitates more toward understanding your hair's individual characteristics. I am posting what is a modified version of the cg method for type 4 hair. This method, like I posted in a previous post, involves the science of black hair, haircare rehab, the loc method, cg, etc. All things that help us understand the differences in our hair and how to clarify and get proper hydration.

I believe it IS necessary to make the disctinction between hairtypes,(which involves porosity, tightness of the curl, density, and thickness) which cg does encourgages, and tc does not. She seems to say her method will work for all black hair, but it simply won't. some hair is just way too difficult to get moisture into the strands to be doing the things she encourages. Information like density, porosity, curl tightness. These things do matter, because it effects how easily our hair absorbs moisture. Understanding these differences allows us to come up with modified regimens so we can get moisture into our hair shaft.

The girl in the first video's hair is like mine was before I started doing this method. My twist outs looked just like that, on the first day. The general results I had gotten in my hair were inconsistent at best, despite the fact I seemed to be following this exact regimen. I mean, twist outs, the occasional wash and go? These are just styling. I want to build up moisture in my hair and reach max hydration. Styling is inconsistent and temporarily satisfactory in my and many other type for naturals experiences.

The method that she is doing does not help build up moisture retention levels in the hair. I personally don't find the tc method all that different from what a lot of naturals are already doing. It allows for a lot of exceptions that cause dryness in the hair, but doesn't seem to identify the importance of the difference in our hair so we can effectively get moisture into the shaft based on what our hair needs.

If you would like, I can rename this method to the hydration method, because that's what i'm trying to emphasize in this post. Maximum hydration I did not see in this post. They can literally build up the moisture levels in their hair if the focus was on building up hydration, to eventually reach max hydration, which is a method the cg handbook coined first and why I credited it to them.


Thanks about the comment for modified cherry lola and stretching techniques. btw. It means a lot to finally get some appreciation on your end for some of the things im saying


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Pinkcube, I can totally understand what your saying about the hydration of 4 types. By the way, I like the Hydration Method name! I understand that it is a real problem.  Have you noticed any improvement at all in your moisture levels by not doing cones? Glycerine doesn't work for you at all?  Vegetable glycerine sucks moisture from the air and loads it on the hair when you wear a product containing vegetable glycerine with water in it. Kind of like the Jeri curls never seemed to dry. The curl moisturizers like Care Free  Curl and S Curl have glycerine as the main ingredient that suck water from the air and put it in the hair constantly. I am using Prettywitty77s moisturizer now and it works really well for me. It contains this water pumping glycerine also. But I put aloe vera and coconut oil in it also. Her formula contains hello hydration conditioner, water, vegetable glycerine. This gives you liquid, and cream (LC) I would suggest adding some olive oil to it though for more the complete LOC formula

The vegetable glycerine and water mixtures like this in general do get rave reviews among 4s. I know the Hello Hydration in her formula has dimethicone. Maybe you can substitute some other really moist conditioner that is cone free and use the rest of her formula unchanged. 
What do you think ? Some sort of spray on product like this which the 4 natural can apply frequently to keep the hair drenched should help. On my hair the formula in her video w/ my modifications keeps my hair drenched. I do apply several applications of it though and GHE with it frequently.
 
PS I don't really know a lot about the cone free conditioners. Maybe Aubrey Organics White Camellia Ultra-Smoothing Conditioner is a good cone free substitute for Hello Hydration in the above formula.
PSS I sent you a PM about using baking soda WITH vinegar in your cherry lola dupe formula you made up above. ( They need to be put on separately with the vinegar in a final rinse. You can not mix them together! I like to avoid them both actually because they dry the hair. I understand you want to raise the cuticles to damage the hair so it can take a deeper drink or something. When I do a Cherry Lola I leave the baking soda out all together because I do not want my cuticles raised. Raised cuticles weaken the strand.   I have personally never done a vinegar rinse either even though it tightens the cuticle. The reason I avoid vinegar also is because it is also really DRYING on the hair. The 2 together would really dry the hair a lot in addition to being an explosive combination. Good luck with that.
The bentonite clay is very drying to the skin in masks.  I would be terrified to put it any where near my hair. I understand a lot of naturals use it. But it will suck all the oils and moisture out of whatever it touches.


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pinkecube, what is the purpose of using the bentonite clay? That one really threw me off.

Do you have before and after pictures of your hair?

What happens if you do GHE with gel in your hair?

AND yes, you totally can make an e-book. You seem really passionate about this and I would really love to help you with this endeavour if you want. 
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