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 Posted: Feb 01 2013 at 1:09pm |
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yt homelands????? they can always go back to the caves...or wherever the hell they mysteriously appeared from....stupid f*ckers... |
Stop being mean to those Europeans who "borrow" words from Sanskrit to describe their superior white selves. 
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Well there's another element to the rape as well...we can't see their facial expressions but so many enslaved people were forced to bear it without showing emotion because that's how their masters wanted it. Many had to learn how to mask how painful and dehumanizing rape (and many other experiences of slavery) in order to preserve themselves for further punishments and sadistic acts.
There was a recording of a former slave woman in the Smithsonian speaking about being raped. I think that it was recorded around 1910. This woman said that she just learned to live with it 
So I'm not here to protect Kara Walker, like I said, I'm not particularly a fan. But from my end, the ambiguity does serve a purpose.
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Yeah the author and her views mean nothing to me
I fully disagree with her but I set that aside and look at the painting through my own lens .
What she meant by the painting is her own business her pov is basically insignificant now.( I feel that way about all authors)
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Posted: Feb 01 2013 at 1:20pm |
BeatriceBean wrote:
Well there's another element to the rape as well...we can't see their facial expressions but so many enslaved people were forced to bear it without showing emotion because that's how their masters wanted it. Many had to learn how to mask how painful and dehumanizing rape (and many other experiences of slavery) in order to preserve themselves for further punishments and sadistic acts.
There was a recording of a former slave woman in the Smithsonian speaking about being raped. I think that it was recorded around 1910. This woman said that she just learned to live with it
So I'm not here to protect Kara Walker, like I said, I'm not particularly a fan. But from my end, the ambiguity does serve a purpose. |
IA that's just devastating 
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Posted: Feb 01 2013 at 1:21pm |
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I understand the ambiguity as well. But from the pictures alone, I could sense that something was off about the author's intent which is why I did a quick Google search on her. My findings confirmed my beliefs.
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Posted: Feb 01 2013 at 1:21pm |
jonesable wrote:
danieb23 wrote:
jonesable wrote:
danieb23 wrote:
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The blobs of black ink does her work a disservice as it does not depict anguish in the slaves faces. from the pictures in the OP, the slaves look like willing participants. But again, I'm not that sophisticated when it comes to this kind of stuff. |
Exactly!! That's one of the first things I noticed.
You have a picture of a woman giving head but their is no expression on her face. How is someone to know whether that was rape or consenting sex? I call bs in all her reasonings for drawing this sh*t. There are other ways she could have done this without bein offensive. |
How could chattel consent to anything though ?
If people come to the conclusion that this was sex then they have problems too.
There should be no confusion |
The point being
You can't just have a picture of a woman in bent over, or sucking some dick, and claim it "represents" the rape they went through. Their is no emotion or facial expressions in some of these pictures whatsoever. I know it isn't consensual, I never said it was. I'm saying, that when someone has a controversial picture like this, there needs to be some clarity in what the slaves are feeling and going through.
Everyone isn't black and they don't know our history. I'd be even willing to say a lot of non-blacks don't even know that slaves were raped and mutilated by slave owners, so if a person who doesn't know any better sees some of these, they aren't going to automatically think "rape". I don't fault them for that nor do I believe "they have problems" if they don't see it as we do. It is the Artist responsibility to convey the meanings behind art like this, not the person viewing the art responsibility to know slave history and understand what she is trying to say. |
I never said you said anything.
And I disagree that isn't the artists responsibility people will come to their own conclusions about the meaning behind a work.
I believe authorial intent holds no weight after that work is published.
Yes ppl have a problem if they view a slave having sex with his " master" as consensual sex( if they recognize the person as a slave)
There is no wiggle room there. |
I agree IF they understand slave rape/mutilation from slave owners. Like I said, a lot of non-blacks probably don't even know the history like we do. White people aren't trying to convey the ish their ancestors did in the past to ours.
And I'm heavy in the arts, so I agree that people should come to their own conclusions about art, however, the artist still needs to clarity in her paintings about what she is trying to represent, not a plaque on the side of a picture that says "this is a portrait of rape." These pictures are very controversial. I respect her need to express her thoughts on portrait, but there needs to be some emotion in a picture like this.
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Posted: Feb 01 2013 at 1:28pm |
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The artist is conveying what she's trying to represent
but we have such a "black people are innately good" mentality that we can't even digest the fact that a Black woman could create such a tragically perplexing and brutality honest depiction of her subconscious desires
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Posted: Feb 01 2013 at 1:30pm |
Alias_Avi wrote:
The artist is conveying what she's trying to represent
but we have such a "black people are innately good" mentality that we can't even digest the fact that a Black woman could create such a tragically perplexing and brutality honest depiction of her subconscious desires
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Not in all of them. I think the last one with the master killing the baby is a better representation. As for the rest of them, idts.
And at the bolded, elaborate por favor.
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Posted: Feb 01 2013 at 1:33pm |
Alias_Avi wrote:
The artist is conveying what she's trying to represent
but we have such a "black people are innately good" mentality that we can't even digest the fact that a Black woman could create such a tragically perplexing and brutality honest depiction of her subconscious desires
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What I'm saying is it doesn't matter what she is trying to say. Her intent is void and insignificant. This is my point of view on all authors and artists. It's from the theory of deconstructionism That's how I view all work. Once a work is published the author and what she wants to convey matters not. But I understand some ppl don't subscribe or understand the deconstructionist theory. In literary meetings on me and an older professor have like minds on these topics. .
Edited by jonesable - Feb 01 2013 at 1:34pm
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