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Originally posted by Sang Froid Sang Froid wrote:

I'm sure there's at least one program or support group in each one of these communities that yall are fake concerned about. 
And there are constant protests, speeches and vigils given.
But yall too focused on taking the heat off whitey to see it.

exactly, and pretending everyone else isn't doing anything...because "you" aren't, is undermining the cause.
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What cause i don't see anything changing idk
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Originally posted by jonesable jonesable wrote:

I care.
To be honest I was talking to some younger kids and I was shocked.
I was talking to them about our history and pride. They really don't give a damn. It's disheartening


yes, they don't

I'm not sure how we are suppose don't "rise up" when we don't love ourselves
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Originally posted by TokyoRose TokyoRose wrote:

I completely hold whites responsible for our youth not giving a damn about themselves.  Day after day, generation after generation, when you watch white people steal your shyt, send your fathers and brothers to prison, get away with murdering your friends and children, watch them continue to benefit off the work your ancestors did without any guilt what so ever, expect you to explain to them what is wrong with the system, only to be told that YOU are the racist, see history books that show your people were either minor players in history or sat passively by, watch your rights being taken away (the challenge of Affirmative Action and the Voter' Rights Act), when you have to sit through movies and tv shows that show you are nothing but entertainment or an evil piece of garbage worthy of being exterminated, shown that you are the total opposite of the standard of beauty you see in the mass media, frequently told to go back to Africa if you don't like the way things are run in the US, then it is VERY EASY to understand why black kids today don't give a fukk about their people.  It is psychological oppression at its finest and it took several generations for that to take effect.


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OP seems apologist to whites and focusing the attention only on what we do..as if what we do is not reactionary to what they do and systems they've established
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Originally posted by Printer_Ink Printer_Ink wrote:

Originally posted by Limalady Limalady wrote:

I don't think the problem is that the Black community is failing, but rather that often we focus on small issues and lose sight of the big picture. The Trayvon Martin case was the opportunity to shine a light on the unequal application of justice. For a long time, that was the focus. The epidemic in Chicago is an opportunity to shine a light on the lack of social services in urban areas. It doesn't mean we blame the Black community. Centuries of systematic racism isn't overturned because Black people conform to the system. I am not advocating for non-conformity, rather I'm advocating for government and historical accountability. The problem is, as I've said before, Whites are great at playing the victim.
 
Oh and Black people aren't? Hee hee! That's funny!Clap
 
 
Playing the victim is not mutually exclusive, meaning more than one group can do it. I specify Whites because when they suffer the slightest unfair treatment, they are up in arms. Whites have made Paula Deen and George Zimmerman victims. Whites have coined the term "reverse racism." Whites can maintain all the power, advantage, and privilege and still complain that their way of life is in jeopardy, while simultaneous telling Blacks that they should be happy with what they have. That takes skill, so in my opinion Whites are the best at the victim game. This of course is just my opinion.
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Black people are more united in a struggle but during times of imagined peace, many of us turn to the "crabs in a barrel" syndrome. 

Many perceive a Black President in office to mean we have arrived. We've arrived a long time ago; had we not, Obama would have been laughed off the ticket. 
The struggle is maintaining our position however once we become complacent (now) our liberties are slowly diminishing while we fight amongst ourselves.

Underlying truth is self hate.
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Originally posted by PurrPoZe PurrPoZe wrote:

Originally posted by Limalady Limalady wrote:

I don't think the problem is that the Black community is failing, but rather that often we focus on small issues and lose sight of the big picture. The Trayvon Martin case was the opportunity to shine a light on the unequal application of justice. For a long time, that was the focus. The epidemic in Chicago is an opportunity to shine a light on the lack of social services in urban areas. It doesn't mean we blame the Black community. Centuries of systematic racism isn't overturned because Black people conform to the system. I am not advocating for non-conformity, rather I'm advocating for government and historical accountability. The problem is, as I've said before, Whites are great at playing the victim.

I understand but it seems like a waste of time waiting for historical accountability....that's a fantasy and its not practical. I feel the psychological struggle of black people is ours alone in reality. That holds us accountable now. Reparations would be nice but in real life it's never gonna happen so its not worth focusing on.

 

To be clear, I did not mean historical accountability in the terms of reparations, but in terms of acknowledging how deeply entrenched systematic racism is in America, and realizing that the problems in the Black community were and are caused by racism. Other countries have successfully taken historical accountability (South Africa, Germany, and Rwanda to name a few). It doesn’t make things perfect, but it is a starting point. 

It is not a fantasy at all. German pays reparations to the descendants of the Holocaust. South African's policies are shaped around balancing the inequity caused by apartheid. Some accountability occurred. President Clinton apologized for slavery. Affirmative Action and quotas were based on balancing the equities. It has happened and can happen, but not if we remain skeptical and refuse to pursue it.

The problem, in my opinion, is that America should have accompanied our past programs with a public policy and social campaign explaining the purpose of those programs (Affirmative Action and minority preference programs) and how they make America better. Whites felt like it was a handout, because they do not properly understand the extent of systematic racism in America. That isn’t something that changes, because Black people take accountability. Many Blacks do take accountability. Many Black communities are “pulling themselves up by their bootstraps.” That is great, but it isn’t the solution to the problem.

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Originally posted by juniper angel juniper angel wrote:

What cause i don't see anything changing idk
you might nit be doing anything to change it.
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Originally posted by TokyoRose TokyoRose wrote:

I completely hold whites responsible for our youth not giving a damn about themselves.  Day after day, generation after generation, when you watch white people steal your shyt, send your fathers and brothers to prison, get away with murdering your friends and children, watch them continue to benefit off the work your ancestors did without any guilt what so ever, expect you to explain to them what is wrong with the system, only to be told that YOU are the racist, see history books that show your people were either minor players in history or sat passively by, watch your rights being taken away (the challenge of Affirmative Action and the Voter' Rights Act), when you have to sit through movies and tv shows that show you are nothing but entertainment or an evil piece of garbage worthy of being exterminated, shown that you are the total opposite of the standard of beauty you see in the mass media, frequently told to go back to Africa if you don't like the way things are run in the US, then it is VERY EASY to understand why black kids today don't give a fukk about their people.  It is psychological oppression at its finest and it took several generations for that to take effect.


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