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    Posted: Jan 28 2014 at 9:13am
Originally posted by ms_wonderland ms_wonderland wrote:

Originally posted by JasmineE02 JasmineE02 wrote:

Her body was literally breaking down.  This case really bothered me because it was so incredibly grotesque.  I can understand a husband not wanting to watch his wife practically decay right before his eyes, especially against her wishes.  Even her family knew what she wanted.  There were no arguments from the people who probably knew her best.  Her father said she felt like a mannequin when he touched her.  I can't imagine going through that. 

same here...this was just disgusting...how can you be pro life but disregard the life of the human carrier?  there is something incredibly dark about keeping a dead body alive for months to birth something living.  if i were a part of that family i would be consumed in nightmares.  they should've let Jesus take the wheel.
I agree with this. Something straight out out of a sci-fi movie. Just goes to show how extreme and warped alot of American's are.
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Texas family grieves after brain-dead pregnant woman is taken off life support



Erick Munoz, husband of Marlise Munoz, is escorted out of court by his attorney Heather L. King (right) on Jan. 24, 2014 in Fort Worth, Texas. / AP Photo/Tim Sharp

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FORT WORTH, Texas -- A public battle over the fate of a brain-dead, pregnant Texas woman and her fetus ended quietly and privately as she was taken off life support and her family began preparing for her burial.

John Peter Smith Hospital in Fort Worth complied Sunday with a judge's order to pull any life-sustaining treatment from Marlise Munoz, who was declared brain-dead in November, but kept on machines for the sake of her fetus.

Munoz was removed from the machines shortly afterward and allowed to die. The fetus, which was at 23 weeks' gestation, was not delivered.

The hospital's decision brought an apparent end to a case that inspired debates about abortion and end-of-life decisions, as well as whether a pregnant woman who is considered legally and medically dead should be kept on life support for the sake of a fetus, per Texas law. Anti-abortion activists attended Friday's court hearing and spoke out in favor of trying to deliver the fetus.

Whether the Munoz case leads Texas to change the law remains unclear. In recent years, the Legislature has enacted several new anti-abortion restrictions, including setting the legal guideline for when a fetus can feel pain at 20 weeks - a milestone Marlise Munoz's fetus passed about three weeks ago.

Munoz's husband, Erick Munoz, sued the hospital because it would not remove life support as he said his wife would have wanted in such a situation. The couple, both paramedics, was familiar with end-of-life issues, and Erick Munoz said his wife had told him she would not want to be kept alive under such circumstances.

But the hospital refused his request, citing Texas law that says life-sustaining treatment cannot be withdrawn from a pregnant patient, regardless of her end-of-life wishes.

Judge R.H. Wallace Jr. sided Friday with Erick Munoz, saying in his order: "Mrs. Munoz is dead."

Erick Munoz found his wife unconscious in their Haltom City home on Nov. 26, possibly due to a blood clot. Doctors soon determined that she was brain-dead, which meant she was both medically and legally dead by law, but kept her on machines to keep her organs functioning for the sake of the fetus.

Shortly after the hospital announced its decision not to fight the judge's order, his attorneys announced that she had been disconnected from life support about 11:30 a.m. Sunday.

"May Marlise Munoz finally rest in peace, and her family find the strength to complete what has been an unbearably long and arduous journey," they said in a statement.

Munoz told The Associated Press this month that he wanted to move forward with caring for the couple's infant son and relatives stricken by the tragedy.

Larry Thompson, a state's attorney who argued on behalf of the hospital Friday, said the hospital was trying to protect the rights of the fetus as it believed Texas law instructed it to do. The hospital's attorneys cited a section of the Texas Advance Directives Act that reads: "A person may not withdraw or withhold life-sustaining treatment under this subchapter from a pregnant patient."

"There is a life involved, and the life is the unborn child," Thompson told the judge.

Legal experts told the AP that the hospital was misreading the Texas Advance Directives Act and that the law isn't an absolute command to keep a pregnant woman on life support.

The case has been noted by Republican Texas Gov. Rick Perry and the two leading candidates running to replace him, but none of them has called for any new laws yet or action as a result of the case.

Republican Attorney General Greg Abbott, through a spokesman, said the case was a "heartbreaking tragedy" and that "Texas strives to protect both families and human life, and we will continue to work toward that end."

Texas Sen. Wendy Davis, a Democrat from Fort Worth, said through a spokeswoman that any decision like this "should be made by Mrs. Munoz's family, in consultation with her doctors."
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Originally posted by ms_wonderland ms_wonderland wrote:

Originally posted by JasmineE02 JasmineE02 wrote:

Her body was literally breaking down.  This case really bothered me because it was so incredibly grotesque.  I can understand a husband not wanting to watch his wife practically decay right before his eyes, especially against her wishes.  Even her family knew what she wanted.  There were no arguments from the people who probably knew her best.  Her father said she felt like a mannequin when he touched her.  I can't imagine going through that. 

same here...this was just disgusting...how can you be pro life but disregard the life of the human carrier?  there is something incredibly dark about keeping a dead body alive for months to birth something living.  if i were a part of that family i would be consumed in nightmares.  they should've let Jesus take the wheel.
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Literally they would have been visiting a corpse... poor fam!Cry
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (2) Thanks(2)   Quote Lilaca Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Jan 25 2014 at 12:39pm
This thread just reminded me that life's not fair. 

I really hope there is an afterlife


R.I.P  to the woman!
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14 Weeks...let that go.
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Originally posted by india100 india100 wrote:

Originally posted by purple.chuckz purple.chuckz wrote:

If you respect her right to life, you also better respect her right to die in a dignified matter.
The family's lawyers aren't psychic, which means that there were medical procedures done to determine what condition the fetus was in. 


I know that after working as a nurse for many years . Like Tbaby said , the hospital can't speak on the babies health . The husband hired independent people to come to that conclusion . I saw a panel talk tonight about a Doctor that plans to tell the truth either way behind a black screen . I will remain skeptical of that husband . JMO


HIPAA applies in a court of law? They may not be able to talk to the media, but they certainly can talk to the judge. 

A covered health care provider or health plan may disclose protected health information required by a court order, including the order of an administrative tribunal. However, the provider or plan may only disclose the information specifically described in the order. 

A subpoena issued by someone other than a judge, such as a court clerk or an attorney in a case, is different from a court order.  A covered provider or plan may disclose information to a party issuing a subpoena only if the notification requirements of the Privacy Rule are met.  Before the covered entity may respond to the subpoena, the Rule requires that it receive evidence that reasonable efforts were made to either:

  • notify the person who is the subject of the information about the request, so the person has a chance to object to the disclosure, or to
  • seek a qualified protective order for the information from the court.
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Originally posted by JasmineE02 JasmineE02 wrote:

Her body was literally breaking down.  This case really bothered me because it was so incredibly grotesque.  I can understand a husband not wanting to watch his wife practically decay right before his eyes, especially against her wishes.  Even her family knew what she wanted.  There were no arguments from the people who probably knew her best.  Her father said she felt like a mannequin when he touched her.  I can't imagine going through that. 

same here...this was just disgusting...how can you be pro life but disregard the life of the human carrier?  there is something incredibly dark about keeping a dead body alive for months to birth something living.  if i were a part of that family i would be consumed in nightmares.  they should've let Jesus take the wheel.
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Why are some saying the hubs tried to murder the wife when this happened? Is there some back history?
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Originally posted by carolina cutie carolina cutie wrote:

I know it wasn't considered but I wonder if the fact that the fetus was recently found to be severely deformed had any effect on the ruling.
 
 
 
U know that's what is was.  Ain't nobody in Texas have a change of heart because it was the right thing.
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Saw on local Houston news that the hospital has until Monday 5 pm to remove her from life support, however, the hospital planned on filing an appeal.

Talks of getting an attorney (guardian ad liteum) for the fetus. This is going to be interesting as to how it pans out.


eta: Also, how long was the wife on life support before the husband/family decided to respect her wishes?

Where in the article does it states that he immediately said take her off or that he waited 3 days before saying take her off? I am just curios at to the timeframe when he indicated he wanted to respect his wife's wished and have her removed?   

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