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    Posted: Oct 16 2014 at 8:04am
Originally posted by liesnalibis liesnalibis wrote:

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Oh okay. I thought you were saying the the film itself lacked a real purpose. Not the abusive aspects of the film.

I disagree with that critique too, fwiw. I think it's painfully obvious why the abuse of black women was and should have been highlighted. But we can agree to disagree.
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Highlighting the excessive abuse of bw in that film had no real purpose, not the film itself
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You can compare the films. Contrast is good. So is critique. But you said one of the films didn't have a purpose and that's where you're being challenged. 12 Years clearly did have a purpose and the purpose is different than the purpose of the other film. Both are important. People, not just you, don't have to dismiss one thing as devoid of purpose to validate something else.

Not sure how you get "don't critique and dont compare" from that. *shrugs*

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I think you're getting ahead of my original post tbh

Comparing doesn't infer that one film shouldn't have been made at all, rather it could have been made to be less problematic

I didn't appreciate 12 Years a Slave like I thought I would. I don't see why I shouldn't state that simply because some people saw it in a different light than I

But if you don't want to compare films, that's great for you

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Originally posted by Alias_Avi Alias_Avi wrote:

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It's called critique


You know, I was about ready to give up all media because the images of Black people are so horrible and I didn't want to support any of it. But then I realized, just because I give it up doesn't mean other people will stop watching and stop being affected by it

I think it's incredibly important that not only should Black people critique images of ourselves (especially "historical" films) but we should be more aggressive in trying to get representation right. Not necessarily accurate but right, as in going in the right direction


Critique is important. But it's important to remember that various kinds of representations are what's needed because they have different purposes, different lasting impressions, different talking points, different emotions to digest. And when you contrast two important films and say one "has no purpose" and liken it to p.orn while praising the other film then that's why people will respond and say there is purpose for BOTH representations. The ugly, harsh, graphic, depressing depiction and the non abusive, affirming, feel good depiction.

There is room for both. The sweetness of grapes and the acidity of oranges.
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Yep.
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No I haven't bored, that's the one Gugu is starring in right?

I'm gonna wait for a link
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Alias, have you saw Beyond the Lights yet?
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Originally posted by Alias_Avi Alias_Avi wrote:

lol @ tear down


It's called critique


You know, I was about ready to give up all media because the images of Black people are so horrible and I didn't want to support any of it. But then I realized, just because I give it up doesn't mean other people will stop watching and stop being affected by it

I think it's incredibly important that not only should Black people critique images of ourselves (especially "historical" films) but we should be more aggressive in trying to get representation right. Not necessarily accurate but right, as in going in the right direction


Critique is important. But it's important to remember that various kinds of representations are what's needed because they have different purposes, different lasting impressions, different talking points, different emotions to digest. And when you contrast two important films and say one "has no purpose" and liken it to p.orn while praising the other film then that's why people will respond and say there is purpose for BOTH representations. The ugly, harsh, graphic, depressing depiction and the non abusive, affirming, feel good depiction.

There is room for both. The sweetness of grapes and the acidity of oranges.


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Wasn't there another movie named Belle starring a biracial Girl who is a singer coming of age type of movie?
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