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    Posted: Nov 09 2013 at 1:24pm
Originally posted by Doc Holiday Doc Holiday wrote:

No, it isn't. Calling Atheism a religion is just as ludicrous as calling Theism a religion. That said, this new Anti-Theistic wave gives me pause. Especially the veneration of the so-called Four Horsemen.


Originally posted by bigheddz bigheddz wrote:

I would say Zoroastrianism is more related to Hinduism than any of the Semitic religions that arose from the Mesopotamian. Zoroastrianism I believe came from Old Indo-Aryan polytheistic beliefs, with Zoroaster deciding to worship one of the gods and the other successors of the old beliefs became what is now Hinduism. Very similar to the Hebrew religion, descending from the old semitic religions of Mesopotamia which Hebrews eventually began to worship only one of the Semitic gods named Yahweh. I could be wrong, knowledge of Indo-Aryan religions are definitely a weak point of mine.

 


This may be true, but many scholars believe that the ancient Hebrews were influenced by Zoroastrianism when they were exiled in Babylon. There was a definite shift in their beliefs from merely venerating Yahweh and believing that the dead simply went to a nebulous afterlife known as Sheol to a struggle between good and evil forces and the dead either going to Gan-Eden (Proto-Heaven) or Gehennom (Proto-Hell).



I don't doubt the influence of the Babylonian exile on the Hebrew faith. before the exiles the Israelites did not name the angels, after the exile all of a sudden names of angels appeared in the bible, particularly the second part of Daniel which I believe is an obvious add-on. However Zoroastrianism had an affect on the Israelites who gave birth to the Christian faith versus modern day Judaism which is rooted in the religion of the Pharisees, whom were the enemies of the first Christians. I see no influence from the Persian religion in the old testament
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I don't care. Call it a religion because I don't believe in God. I believe there's no God so I guess that's a belief. I'm fine with semantics. Honestly, per the definition, I don't believe it's a religion. But Id never debate it because its just a difference of perception.
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For some reason reading this thread hurt my brain, and I like reading these kinds of things.

Atheism isn't a religion. I think non atheists label them that way to make them feel less intimidated by the fact that not everyone believes in deity or participates in religious activity.
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No, it isn't. Calling Atheism a religion is just as ludicrous as calling Theism a religion. That said, this new Anti-Theistic wave gives me pause. Especially the veneration of the so-called Four Horsemen.


Originally posted by bigheddz bigheddz wrote:

I would say Zoroastrianism is more related to Hinduism than any of the Semitic religions that arose from the Mesopotamian. Zoroastrianism I believe came from Old Indo-Aryan polytheistic beliefs, with Zoroaster deciding to worship one of the gods and the other successors of the old beliefs became what is now Hinduism. Very similar to the Hebrew religion, descending from the old semitic religions of Mesopotamia which Hebrews eventually began to worship only one of the Semitic gods named Yahweh. I could be wrong, knowledge of Indo-Aryan religions are definitely a weak point of mine.
 

This may be true, but many scholars believe that the ancient Hebrews were influenced by Zoroastrianism when they were exiled in Babylon. There was a definite shift in their beliefs from merely venerating Yahweh and believing that the dead simply went to a nebulous afterlife known as Sheol to a struggle between good and evil forces and the dead either going to Gan-Eden (Proto-Heaven) or Gehennom (Proto-Hell).
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I would say Zoroastrianism is more related to Hinduism than any of the Semitic religions that arose from the Mesopotamian. Zoroastrianism I believe came from Old Indo-Aryan polytheistic beliefs, with Zoroaster deciding to worship one of the gods and the other successors of the old beliefs became what is now Hinduism. Very similar to the Hebrew religion, descending from the old semitic religions of Mesopotamia which Hebrews eventually began to worship only one of the Semitic gods named Yahweh. I could be wrong, knowledge of Indo-Aryan religions are definitely a weak point of mine.
 
Cool that you got a chance to meet one, my college president was one, but I never spoke to him before. He was from India actually, but being in the Bible Belt I think he kept silent about his religion.
 
I would not say that all atheists are on a mission to dismantle one's faith in religion, however i've met quite a few, and told me it was their mission. Like some Christians, they felt compelled to spread the word and save us all. It depends on the person
 
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Originally posted by bigheddz bigheddz wrote:

Zoroastrianism the first religion? Egyptian and Mesopotamian religions probably predates it, i never found the religion the least bit interesting, nor its cousin Hinduism


LOL I did say that.  I meant first monotheistic religion.   For that reason I have a hard time thinking of it as a cousin of Hinduism.  The origin or Zoroastrianism is Mesopotamian and it is believed to have a lot more to do with the monotheism of the Abrahamic religions than people realize.  The concept of good vs. evil is a major part of the doctrine (a Jesus and a Lucifer) of fighting over mankind).  The other theme is the Older Brother / Younger Brother rivalry that runs through the bible in so many stories.  Kind of fascinating but thats just my opinion.    I love compare and contrast. 

I actually got to interview someone who is part of the very very small number of people who practice Zoroastrianism  and it was really interesting to hear how much the caste system plays a role with believers.  She was married to an African American - for shame!

I hate that people really believe atheists are on a mission to get other people to abandon their gods.  Its not one of my personal goals.  I know several people who really need to start practicing the faith they proclaimAngry

It also scares me to think what  believers who fear a higher power and only refrain from mayhem because of that would do if the covers came off.  I fear that all "hell" would literally break loose.   Especially if there is nothing to replace the good parts that the world has embraced.
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Zoroastrianism the first religion? Egyptian and Mesopotamian religions probably predates it, i never found the religion the least bit interesting, nor its cousin Hinduism
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Originally posted by kfoxx1998 kfoxx1998 wrote:

Originally posted by bigheddz bigheddz wrote:


To reply to the topic directly when Atheists write books about not believing in a god, having rallies, advertising(literally spreading the word and dedicated web sites), creating Atheist groups/organizations and developing what seems to be a movement then at the point it has become conceptually the same as a religion. All of these things are happening, and they seem to have strong convictions. one of the signs of a religious atheist or a dedicated Atheist is when said person consistently participates in topics of religion.

 

In conclusion, I will say that many atheists can be considered religious, but not all.



I was completely with you until the bolded.   This statement could be applied to any group of like minded people who come together to share ideas and possibly bring about reforms, etc.  Are these religious organizations?:

- Civil Rights Movement
- Gary Rights Movement
- Mothers against Drunk Driving
- KKK
- Democrats
- Republicans
- National Teachers Association

Its not that I disagree with the idea of what you're saying I just find it to be an inaccurate way to move atheism into the category of religion.  TO ME, it makes more sense to move religion under the category of an organization with a purpose like all of the above.  

Or better still call religion what it is and I think you (bigheddz) described it perfectly.  Religion is about moving with a faith in higher beings.  There is no need to retrofit those who disagree or do not carry that faith in gods or spirits into the category of religion. 

I also think that being very interested in religion doesn't necessarily make one religious either.  Personally I find religion to be one of the most fascinating topics in the human experience.  My interest is in ALL religions going back to the original religion which is believed to be Zoroastrianism.  I am just as interested in history and social science but we don't have sections for thatConfused.

I think this is a great topic by the way OPThumbs Up

 

The bolded was to illustrate Atheism can be very organized, dogmatic and philosophical; therefore you have an equivalent to a religion(or as I said in my post “conceptually the same” as a religion) minus devotion to a god, Yet the gods are obviously the center of attention in most forms of Atheism albeit in a negative fashion. The issue is Atheists are reluctant to admit it.

 

Buddhism, Confucianism, Stoicism, Epicureanism, Cynicism and Platonism are all dogmatic and philosophical. All of these doctrines are meant to be followed in a way that is identical to a religion, yet are not generally consider religions at least not by popular opinion because they do not feature an explicitly mandated ritual to a god.  However, being a disciple of any of the above philosophies clearly ties them to the doctrine in a religious way, just as being an Atheist devoted to dismantling a religion, god or persuading others they should give up their faith, is a form of discipleship to the cause.

 

Perhaps it is all a matter of perspective, these days people say they are not religious but spiritual, yet exhibit all the ingredients of a religion.

 

I am not necessarily moving Atheism in the religion category but saying that Religions, forms of Atheism, schools of philosophy and certain traditions belong in the same category.

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Whew.  I can even respond to the second post right now.  It would take entirely too longCry
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