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Originally posted by CherryBlossom CherryBlossom wrote:

I'd be so embarrassed 
 
I would be too. Especially when you consider the implications (hopefully, the in-laws don't know this) that in Haiti, not speaking any French usually denotes being of a lower class. In my father's time, school was not thought in creole and creole hadn't been codified in written form. So it was imperative for the educated to speak it. Nowadays, lots of public schools don't even bother with French anymore. Only in private school do you learn it properly. I think it's a huge mistake on the part of the Haitian government because only a handful of countries speak creole and it's not necessarily the same creole. You have a generation of kids who either don't speak French in Haiti itself because they are poor or do speak it but atrociously so.


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Originally posted by CherryBlossom CherryBlossom wrote:

Originally posted by JoliePoufiasse JoliePoufiasse wrote:

Originally posted by CherryBlossom CherryBlossom wrote:

I'd be so embarrassed 
 
I would be too. Especially when you consider the implications (hopefully, the in-laws don't know this) that in Haiti, not speaking any French usually denotes being of a lower class. In my father's time, school was not thought in creole and creole hadn't been codified in written form. So it was imperative for the educated to speak it. Nowadays, lots of public schools don't even bother with French anymore. Only in private school do you learn it properly. I think it's a huge mistake on the part of the Haitian government because only a handful of countries speak creole and it's not necessarily the same creole. You have a generation of kids who either don't speak French in Haiti itself because they are poor or do speak it but atrociously so.
Wow Jolie, that's very interesting! I had no idea it was like that in Haiti...I just always assumed that the language of the coloniser would always be the one that was spoken first and foremost especially in schools. 

I think it's a mistake too, French is so widely spoken around the world, it would be a shame to deny children the right to speak it.

Honestly, I think my embarrassment would stem from having a white hubby who can speak my language better than I can...lol it sounds bad but that's how I'd feel...embarrassed and insulted tbh.
To be specific, creole is in great part the language of the coloniser. It's mostly old French mixed with a little bit of Spanish and a tiny bit of English (since Americans invaded the country in the 20's) along with various African dialects from the slaves. It's how the slaves from different African nations managed to communicate with each other and white Haitians also use it with intimates. But French was always school thought. Which meant that if you were poor and illiterate, you couldn't necessarily speak it. Now it's even worse because in the last few decades, creole got codified in written form even though it's a patois. However the elite newspapers for instance are all in French. Books are in French. So if you don't speak it, chances are you are poor and poorly educated.
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Originally posted by rickysrose rickysrose wrote:


I was born, raised and lived in North America most of my life

but when I step foot in the Caribbean it feels like home in such a primal way




This, i was scared as hell getting on that plane now I'm looking for a house there. Growing up my fam would tease I'm not true haitian but once i step foot on that soil nothing but love.

Now i feel I'm more haitian than american even though i was born and raised in America
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Originally posted by rickysrose rickysrose wrote:

sbrownie are you talking about or influenced by not being accepted as "local" or genuine in your parents' home country?

I am Jamaican, always will be but I realize that living in Jamaica, I wouldn't necessarily be seen that way but that doesn't affect my affinity

people stereotype, you can use it to your advantage sometimes, sometimes you just have to shrug but I wouldn't let that take away from who you are




Yes, I am talking about that for the most part. I can even go as further with my mom who came to the states in her teens and have lived here since but is still very connected with her country. So much in fact that she did nit assimilate at all. My mother is an intelligent woman and is to s certain extent very worldly and exposed but I only realized this year that the small gap of misunderstanding in our relationship is cultural. There are certain behaviors that she accepts from others in light of ' culture' and I deem as disrespectful. I realized that she connects more with my cousins or family members that are still in her country as opposed to me In Certain instances. It is always a battle if what is better amongst us as opposed to trying to understand each other.

It's hard to form an example but I can give s quick one. In her country it is ok to lie and gossip about ppl behind their backs bc it is the culture. Whereas in America there are major reprecusions for slander. That is just a small example of what I mean.   
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Born in Barbados came to the states when i was 3 im more Bajan than America
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Originally posted by afrokock afrokock wrote:

so what was you epiphany to consider yourself fully american?

I never called myself American until I left the country. Always black, and when black wasn't an option, I was confused for a sec
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Originally posted by rickysrose rickysrose wrote:


I was born, raised and lived in North America most of my life

but when I step foot in the Caribbean it feels like home in such a primal way




I feel the same way, such an odd feeling, but nice
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