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Originally posted by carolina cutie carolina cutie wrote:


There's a general or major in NC who was arrested for raping 6 women, 5 whom were officers.


Wow. I would have thought the officers would be afforded more respect/protection.
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Originally posted by starflower7 starflower7 wrote:


Originally posted by EPITOME EPITOME wrote:

i will say that idk why women join the military, idk why black women join the military, idk why anyone with education joins the military.


Well damn.

Lol. And here we go.
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Originally posted by EPITOME EPITOME wrote:

^mine doesn't either. while i would never encourage my son to join the armed forces, i truly feel that it is a realm that should be for men.  like firefighting.  


I agree firefighting should be a men-only profession. Unless the women are put in positions where they won't be physically rescuing anyone.

But, while I would never want to join the military, I support women's right to do so... I just think there's too much risk for me to really get it, but I feel that way about a lot of stuff, so..
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Originally posted by EPITOME EPITOME wrote:

i will say that idk why women join the military, idk why black women join the military, idk why anyone with education joins the military.

I wonder about this too.
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Originally posted by carolina cutie carolina cutie wrote:

This mess has been going on since my mom told enlisted back in the late 70s.

There's a general or major in NC who was arrested for raping 6 women, 5 whom were officers.

No shortage of women willing to tell their stories of rape and cover up when they were enlisted either.

Until the military gets checks and balances in place. You know, actually taking rape crimes seriously and having a culture of basic respect for women, they'll keep happening with little to no consequence.Dead

This country in general.
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Originally posted by starflower7 starflower7 wrote:

Originally posted by carolina cutie carolina cutie wrote:


There's a general or major in NC who was arrested for raping 6 women, 5 whom were officers.


Wow. I would have thought the officers would be afforded more respect/protection.
This whole story.Angry

Army general pulled rank, forced sex: prosecutors


FORT BRAGG, North Carolina (Reuters) - An Army general used his superior rank to force subordinates into improper sexual relations, military prosecutors said on Monday at a hearing to determine if he should face a court-martial.

Brigadier General Jeffrey Sinclair, a 27-year Army veteran based at Fort Bragg, is accused of 26 violations of military law including forcible sodomy, wrongful sexual conduct, possessing pornography while deployed and conduct unbecoming of an officer.

The charges stem from inappropriate behavior toward four female subordinates and a civilian over the last five years, Army prosecutors said, revealing new details about charges brought against Sinclair in September.

Prosecutors said the alleged sexual contacts took place in Afghanistan, Iraq and Germany, as well as at military bases in the United States. Sinclair was sent home in May from Afghanistan, where he had served as a deputy commander for support, officials said.

Major General James Huggins testified on Monday that one of the women, a captain who Sinclair had requested be assigned to his unit in Afghanistan, tearfully reported having a three-year affair with him..

The woman said in March she had looked at Sinclair's emails and found exchanges with other women, Huggins testified. She also reported that Sinclair had forcibly sodomized her after grabbing her by the neck, and threatened her career if she backed out of the relationship, he said.

"She wanted out," said Huggins, one of Sinclair's superiors. "She said she had tried, but Sinclair persisted."

Huggins said Sinclair admitted to showing "poor judgment" in a limited number of encounters with the woman.

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Prosecutors also accused Sinclair of threatening to kill one subordinate, or her family, if she revealed having an affair with him.

They said he asked women to send him nude photos and berated female subordinates on several occasions.

Sinclair is accused of claiming more than $4,000 worth of charges for personal travel as military business, and of deleting emails during the investigation, prosecutors said. Defense attorneys suggested the personal trips may have included Army business.

When asked by hearing officer Major General Perry Wiggins if he would make a statement regarding the charges, Sinclair said "No, sir." His defense team declined to comment.

The hearing proceeded despite an attempt by defense attorneys to have the case dismissed or government prosecutors removed over concerns that they had improper access to confidential emails between Sinclair, his attorneys and his wife.

"How does he get a fair trial if you have access to his personal communications with his attorney?" said Sinclair's defense lawyer, Lieutenant Colonel Jackie Thompson.

Leona Mansapit, a criminal investigations special agent, testified that she reviewed emails between Sinclair and his wife and attorney, and that military prosecutors had seen at least one of those emails.

Mansapit said she did not appoint an independent researcher to review Sinclair's emails as required because she lacked the resources to do so.

Wiggins briefly postponed the proceedings while the emails were reviewed by a legal adviser, but ultimately decided to hear evidence as planned.

Wiggins will recommend whether Sinclair should stand trial on any of the charges. Dozens more witnesses are expected to give testimony at the hearing this week.

(Editing by Colleen Jenkins, Cynthia Johnston and Christopher Wilson)


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Youtube has lots of videos about rape in the military.  This has been going on for years..
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Originally posted by OrriannaRose OrriannaRose wrote:

Originally posted by carolina cutie carolina cutie wrote:

This mess has been going on since my mom told enlisted back in the late 70s.

There's a general or major in NC who was arrested for raping 6 women, 5 whom were officers.

No shortage of women willing to tell their stories of rape and cover up when they were enlisted either.

Until the military gets checks and balances in place. You know, actually taking rape crimes seriously and having a culture of basic respect for women, they'll keep happening with little to no consequence.Dead

This country in general.
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Originally posted by starflower7 starflower7 wrote:


I'll keep this short. I was watching this


which is a documentary about rape in the military and how rare it is for these crimes against women to be taken seriously. I got the idea that the whole reason women were ever allowed in the military was to entertain the men. I say this because when it comes to physical work, women are much less efficient and more vulnerable; they don't even allow the women in combat; they create environments which enable the men to prey on the women; and they often blame the woman for complaining about it or sweep it under the rug. 

This is something they had to have known would happen. It's a simple as 1-2-3. Men/people will behave in predictable ways in certain situations. These are men are stressed out, isolated from society, away from their families, and sometimes risking life and limb and they throw a few women into the mix. What did they expect would happen? They come in from a hard day of work, no family to greet them, they already feel like women are not doing their share of the work, and they most likely feel entitled. 

I have never been in the military nor do I have any family members who have so I may be way off here. What is your opinion on this?


To the first bolded part, that's not true. I know women who work in aircraft maintenance that can take apart a C-130 engine and fix it with no problems. I know skinny men in my job (network technician) that couldn't even lift a book and put it on a shelf.

The second bolded is the reason why there are so many rapes in the military...people sympathize with these men. This whole paragraph sounds like women/victim blaming...as if a woman got raped because the man has it so hard; how about that man needs to grow the fuck up and keep his hands to himself.

We go though plenty of briefings about rape and professional/unprofessional relationships before, during, and after we deploy...also while in-garrison.

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Oh and I literally laughed out loud and the men only jobs. Should there be women only jobs as well? Secretary? Nurse? Paper bitch? Damsel in distress? *rolls eyes* 
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