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Originally posted by liesnalibis liesnalibis wrote:

There is a parallel in how white slave masters used black women sexually and sired children with them while being married to white women. Black men back then didn't have any control over their own families and couldn't protect black women from being taken advantage of. Nowadays we have a 70% rate of out of wedlock births and an epidemic of fatherless children. Black women and children are still being seen as unworthy of love and support. Perhaps in black men's minds black women are ruined and are community property. They cannot see the value in us because throughout history we were never treated with respect.

Ahh. Well, yeah.
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Originally posted by liesnalibis liesnalibis wrote:

There is a parallel in how white slave masters used black women sexually and sired children with them while being married to white women. Black men back then didn't have any control over their own families and couldn't protect black women from being taken advantage of. Nowadays we have a 70% rate of out of wedlock births and an epidemic of fatherless children. Black women and children are still being seen as unworthy of love and support. Perhaps in black men's minds black women are ruined and are community property. They cannot see the value in us because throughout history we were never treated with respect.
I disagree.  some bm don't treat us with respect cuz that just how they are. They weren't raised right so they don't even know they are doing wrong.  It's all subjective tho.  Just like some ppl here don't think answering "what?" is rude & some do...  Its all in how u were raised.  Otherwise the incorrect behavior becomes the norm.
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Originally posted by Senior Detective Senior Detective wrote:

Originally posted by liesnalibis liesnalibis wrote:

There is a parallel in how white slave masters used black women sexually and sired children with them while being married to white women. Black men back then didn't have any control over their own families and couldn't protect black women from being taken advantage of. Nowadays we have a 70% rate of out of wedlock births and an epidemic of fatherless children. Black women and children are still being seen as unworthy of love and support. Perhaps in black men's minds black women are ruined and are community property. They cannot see the value in us because throughout history we were never treated with respect.
I disagree.  some bm don't treat us with respect cuz that just how they are. They weren't raised right so they don't even know they are doing wrong.  It's all subjective tho.  Just like some ppl here don't think answering "what?" is rude & some do...  Its all in how u were raised.  Otherwise the incorrect behavior becomes the norm.

But why weren't they raised to value black women? Where does it all come from?
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Originally posted by liesnalibis liesnalibis wrote:

Originally posted by Senior Detective Senior Detective wrote:

Originally posted by liesnalibis liesnalibis wrote:

There is a parallel in how white slave masters used black women sexually and sired children with them while being married to white women. Black men back then didn't have any control over their own families and couldn't protect black women from being taken advantage of. Nowadays we have a 70% rate of out of wedlock births and an epidemic of fatherless children. Black women and children are still being seen as unworthy of love and support. Perhaps in black men's minds black women are ruined and are community property. They cannot see the value in us because throughout history we were never treated with respect.
I disagree.  some bm don't treat us with respect cuz that just how they are. They weren't raised right so they don't even know they are doing wrong.  It's all subjective tho.  Just like some ppl here don't think answering "what?" is rude & some do...  Its all in how u were raised.  Otherwise the incorrect behavior becomes the norm.

But why weren't they raised to value black women? Where does it all come from?
 
Originally posted by Senior Detective Senior Detective wrote:

It makes me wonder if the knowledge of those events has anything to do with the way black men treat black women today.
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I don't think many bm think about those events when interacting with bw.  They treat us poorly cuz they weren't taught better, grew up in broken homes, have a lack of respect & empathy & a product of their sh*tty environment where such behavior is the norm.
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Originally posted by Random Thoughts Random Thoughts wrote:

Originally posted by Senior Detective Senior Detective wrote:

Originally posted by liesnalibis liesnalibis wrote:

Originally posted by Senior Detective Senior Detective wrote:

Originally posted by liesnalibis liesnalibis wrote:

There is a parallel in how white slave masters used black women sexually and sired children with them while being married to white women. Black men back then didn't have any control over their own families and couldn't protect black women from being taken advantage of. Nowadays we have a 70% rate of out of wedlock births and an epidemic of fatherless children. Black women and children are still being seen as unworthy of love and support. Perhaps in black men's minds black women are ruined and are community property. They cannot see the value in us because throughout history we were never treated with respect.
I disagree.  some bm don't treat us with respect cuz that just how they are. They weren't raised right so they don't even know they are doing wrong.  It's all subjective tho.  Just like some ppl here don't think answering "what?" is rude & some do...  Its all in how u were raised.  Otherwise the incorrect behavior becomes the norm.

But why weren't they raised to value black women? Where does it all come from?
 
Originally posted by Senior Detective Senior Detective wrote:

It makes me wonder if the knowledge of those events has anything to do with the way black men treat black women today.
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I don't think many bm think about those events when interacting with bw.  They treat us poorly cuz they weren't taught better, grew up in broken homes, have a lack of respect & empathy & a product of their sh*tty environment where such behavior is the norm.


And where do the broken homes, lack of proper teaching, and sh*tty environments (generational poverty) come from? Do those things exist in a vacuum without generations of contributions from other sh*tty situations?

^^^Exactly what I was about to post.
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Originally posted by Senior Detective Senior Detective wrote:

Originally posted by liesnalibis liesnalibis wrote:

Originally posted by Senior Detective Senior Detective wrote:

Originally posted by liesnalibis liesnalibis wrote:

There is a parallel in how white slave masters used black women sexually and sired children with them while being married to white women. Black men back then didn't have any control over their own families and couldn't protect black women from being taken advantage of. Nowadays we have a 70% rate of out of wedlock births and an epidemic of fatherless children. Black women and children are still being seen as unworthy of love and support. Perhaps in black men's minds black women are ruined and are community property. They cannot see the value in us because throughout history we were never treated with respect.
I disagree.  some bm don't treat us with respect cuz that just how they are. They weren't raised right so they don't even know they are doing wrong.  It's all subjective tho.  Just like some ppl here don't think answering "what?" is rude & some do...  Its all in how u were raised.  Otherwise the incorrect behavior becomes the norm.

But why weren't they raised to value black women? Where does it all come from?
 
Originally posted by Senior Detective Senior Detective wrote:

It makes me wonder if the knowledge of those events has anything to do with the way black men treat black women today.
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I don't think many bm think about those events when interacting with bw.  They treat us poorly cuz they weren't taught better, grew up in broken homes, have a lack of respect & empathy & a product of their sh*tty environment where such behavior is the norm.


And where do the broken homes, lack of proper teaching, and sh*tty environments (generational poverty) come from? Do those things exist in a vacuum without generations of contributions from other sh*tty situations?


Edited by Random Thoughts - Dec 20 2013 at 12:27pm
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Originally posted by liesnalibis liesnalibis wrote:

Originally posted by Senior Detective Senior Detective wrote:

Originally posted by liesnalibis liesnalibis wrote:

There is a parallel in how white slave masters used black women sexually and sired children with them while being married to white women. Black men back then didn't have any control over their own families and couldn't protect black women from being taken advantage of. Nowadays we have a 70% rate of out of wedlock births and an epidemic of fatherless children. Black women and children are still being seen as unworthy of love and support. Perhaps in black men's minds black women are ruined and are community property. They cannot see the value in us because throughout history we were never treated with respect.

I disagree.  some bm don't treat us with respect cuz that just how they are. They weren't raised right so they don't even know they are doing wrong.  It's all subjective tho.  Just like some ppl here don't think answering "what?" is rude & some do...  Its all in how u were raised.  Otherwise the incorrect behavior becomes the norm.


But why weren't they raised to value black women? Where does it all come from?


But u answered this question already yourself
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its part of the culture.  The rape culture, drug culture, hip hop culture, vanity/keeping up with jones' culture, religious culture, family structure, financial, educational status & socio-economic class.  it aint one thing.  Its  many factors that contribute to the way ppl are
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Originally posted by Senior Detective Senior Detective wrote:

its part of the culture.  The rape culture, drug culture, hip hop culture, vanity/keeping up with jones' culture, religious culture, family structure, financial, educational status & socio-economic class.  it aint one thing.  Its  many factors that contribute to the way ppl are


Agreed. Now would you agree that hundreds of years of slavery would factor somehow into each of those areas?
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I think people just like to believe that we ain't sh!t by default
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