| pinkecube wrote:|
My experience with shea butter based products have personally ended pretty disappointingly. I didn't use this specific product, but a key thing I notice as a problem is instead of the first ingredient being water, it is a shea extract, and then right after it is shea butter. I tried a conditioner I saw at vitamin shoppe because it was big and cheap. The product also had emulsifying wax as well.
But basically when I tried this, it had no slip, wasn't moisturizing, left my hair extrememly white, to the point where nothing I did would get it off despite me having watered it down, and then it left flakes in my hair. So I never specifically considered my self sensitive to products with shea butter, I just found them ineffective.
Shea moisture was never something my hair really seemed to responded to, something about these shea based products-- the formulation just makes it squeaky and devoid of any slip and it didn't feel moisturizing. But it is possible that is my sensitivity causing it to feel that way.
I think that squeaky unmoisturizing nature comes from shea butter. The sitting white on top of my hair thing probably comes from the emulsifying wax too. I feel like this would be a much better formulation if the ingredient list for the first one looked like this:
Water, Cetearyl Alcohol (and) Behentrimonium Chloride, Aqueous Shea Leaf (Butyrospermum parkii) Extract, Handcrafted Shea (Butyrospermum parkii) Butter, , Palm Stearic Acid, Emulsifying Wax, Lavender Essential Oil, Phenoxyethanol, Potassium Sorbate, Citric Acid.
Aqueous Shea Leaf (Butyrospermum parkii) Extract, Handcrafted Shea
(Butyrospermum parkii) Butter, Cetearyl Alcohol (and) Behentrimonium
Chloride, Emulsifying Wax, Palm Stearic Acid, Lavender Essential Oil,
Phenoxyethanol, Potassium Sorbate, Citric Acid.
The one I used was similar to the formulation you are showing me, but I have to grab the bottle and find out the specific name. Either way it seems like 2/3 of what you showed me has no no ingredients. The every day shea I find to just be an ineffective formulation. Emulsifying wax is an ingredient I feel suspicious about as well, but it is water soluble, so.. maybe only use it as a cleanser not, a DC or leave in.
Pinkecube, thank you so much! Since it started with an "aqueous" extract I'd thought maybe
it would be different but in the past when I tried pure shea butter on my hair it was a waxy mess for sure (regardless of whether it was mixed with oil or heated up). I trust your instincts on this because everything you've said has been working for me so far. The closer I can stick to the original regimen, the better my results are.
And GOOD NEWS: After all this searching and checking out alternative products, I finally found the approved Tresemme conditioner! I thought there was no hope I'd ever see the right one, lol. I tried it out as a cowash yesterday (I stuck with KCKT for DC) and then as a leave-in this morning and I already knew I'd love it, but wow. I knew I could trust you guys on this even though I've had *terrible* experience with Tresemme in the past (with or without cones, lol). I've gained so much product knowledge and my hair has improved so much. I'm immensely grateful!
Here are my answers to your survey:
1. Are you seeing results with MHM, or have been at a standstill?
- gradually increasing definition
- deeper colour (not as dull I think) & more shine
- increasing ease with detangling
- hair soaks up water & conditioner now like it never did before
- ...meaning less need for conditioner! :D
- incredible softness & pliability when wet (no product)2. How long have you completed the regimen?(day/wk/mnths) Have you been doing your hair at least every 3 days?
~ 3 weeks, always kept within 3 days at the most (but never quite did the 7 days straight at any point and at times only did cowash + GHE)3. Did you do a lot of protein treatments or practice use of heavy protein products before starting MHM?
No, I don't think so
4. In your old regimen, did you GHE/DC/Steam in your old regimen regularly?
Not regularly. (GHE was only very rarely.)5. Did you do the CG method before starting MHM?
I've tried parts of it in the past but when I started MHM I had been using Herbal Essences (shampoo was once a week) and Sof N' Free curl activator gel 6. Do you encorporate DCing GHE or steam now?
I either GHE or DC every night now! :D7. What other options/versions are you doing? DC/Steam/Warm condish, BS, ACV?
BS (15 mins), DC (either let it sit in steamy shower or overnight DC)8. What is your hair porosity and curl type?
Low porosity, 4a (possibly also 4b???) with a few spots of stray, random 3c mixed in9. Are you using the approved products?
I am now! :D (First week, I used products that were close but not quite approved, next two weeks I used all approved products except cowash. Now that I have a decent amount of approved conditioner, I'm starting off again with 100% approved products on all steps. I'm due for my 2nd cherry lola soon.)10. How long is your hair? TWA? Brastrap? (don't give inches but something general to visualize)
Wet: bottom of my neck (edit: I said 1/3 down before but I just length checked & it's longer!)
Dry: ear-to-chin level (my coils are getting tighter now; lots of shrinkage but that's fine!)
(not stretched)11. How does your hair look like during the clay step? Is it weighed down, white, and looks like each curl unit is coated?
Once I figured out the consistency that works for me (like a runny milkshake), I found it worked well to coat my hair. (My most stubborn area is around the very top of my head though, where products seem to run off too easily. I get better results if I keep re-applying/smoothing my clay/gel there.)12. What are you using for the clay step specifically?
- I was using gray kaolin clay. I just finished that off and will now be moving on to green clay though. (edit: forgot to say I was leaving out oil for a bit but will be adding oil and honey in it again, starting next batch)13. What products are you using?
KCKT/KCCC (I did a test on the Tresemme but I'm saving that for later now)14. Do you water down your conditioner? Do you find it works better without or doesn't make a difference?
I go full strength for cowash but for leave-in, I can't decide which I like better right now, tbh. I think watering it down into a squeeze bottle saves product and helps distribute it evenly but patting my hair down with a bit of conditioner in my palms, rewetting slightly, and then shaking saves time, and is better for preserving definition (so far). And since I stepped up my frequency of doing the regimen my hair is drying softer and softer, regardless of which way I choose.15. Do you detangle with your fingers or a comb?
Fingers16. Are you natural or transitioning?
2 yrs natural17. Do you have hair color?
None18. Do you section your hair to apply stuff? Do you apply stuff starting from the scalp/root?
I don't section but I do apply as close to the root as I can manage. It has gotten a lot easier since my hair started softening up and clumping. Lightly patting leave-in or gel in by my roots, rewetting slightly, and then shaking my whole head does wonders.19. Do you do the steps on soaking wet hair?
Always. (+ splash-and-shake has nearly eliminated crunchiness from gel)
Edited by cdncoily - Aug 12 2014 at 6:24pm