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pinkie can the shea moisture purification masque be used as a clay for this method since it has kaolin clay as one of the ingredients

Ingredients: Deionized Water , Cocos Nucifera Oil (Coconut) , Butyrospermum Parkii (Shea Butter) , Mangfera Indica Seed Butter (Mango) , Persea Gratissima Oil (Avocado) , African Black Soap Extract , Sea Salt , Cetyl Esters , Kaolin Clay , Grapeseed Oil , Simmondsia Chinensis Seed Oil (Jojoba) , Behentrimonium Chloride (Conditioner) , Salicylic Acid , Salix Alba Bark Extract (Willow) , Melia Azadirachta Seed Oil (Neem) , Melaleuca Alternifolia Leaf Oil (Tea Tree) , Sorbitol Esters , Aloe Vera Leaf Juice , Tocopherol (Vitamin E) , Rosemary Extract , Salvia Officinalis Extract (Sage) , Plantain Extract , Lonicera Caprifolium Flower and Lonicera Japonica Flower Extract (Honeysuckle and Japanese Honeysuckle)
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Sugabanana

It isn't complete, but Here are some the problems. There are several that may be working in combination against you (will edit and add more info and highlighations tomorrow)

I will be bolding problem ingredients in green, info in blue.

Ur Curly quinoa conditioner
Water, Cetearyl Alcohol, Peg-40 Hydrogenated, Castor Oil, Stearalkonium Chloride, Hydrolyzed Quinoa, Glycerin, Polyquaternium-10, DMDM Hydantoin, Menthol, Leaf Oil, Crambe, Abyssinica Seed Oil (Abyssinian Oil), Fragrance, Aloe, Barbadensis Leaf Juice, Lavandula Angustifolia (Lavender), Flower/Leaf/Stern Extract, lodopropynl Butylcarbarrate.


Peg-40 Hydrogenated
http://www.ewg.org/skindeep/ingredient/704597/PEG-40_HYDROGENATED_CASTOR_OIL/

Hydrolyzed Quinoa= denatured protein. Hydrolyzed Protein= denatured protein. Hydrolyzed ect version of protein in any gel is denatured. most uncertafiably organic or botanical gels  that contain hydrolyzed proteins are heated, denaturing the protein unless glycerin is present(this applies only to water-based product). Or denaturing the protein first and then adding it.



Glycerin


Stearalkonium Chloride

http://www.ewg.org/skindeep/ingredient/706279/STEARALKONIUM_CHLORIDE/

"They do not form films as stiff as those formed by polyquat-4 or polyquat-11, which means they give a softer hold, but are more susceptible to not retaining the style or curl. They are somewhat more prone to build-up than polyquat-4."
http://www.naturallycurly.com/curlreading/curl-products/all-about-another-hard-to-pronounce-ingredient/
Camille Rose Naturals Moisture Milk
Water, Cetearyl Alcohol, Peg-40 Hydrogenated, Castor Oil( a thick emollient and humectant, relevant b/c high up on the list. Will be pretty drying in the winter), Stearalkonium Chloride(quaturnery ammonium salt), Hydrolyzed Quinoa, Glycerin, Polyquaternium-10, DMDM Hydantoin, Menthol, Leaf Oil, Crambe, Abyssinica Seed Oil (Abyssinian Oil), Fragrance, Aloe, Barbadensis Leaf Juice, Lavandula Angustifolia (Lavender), Flower/Leaf/Stern Extract, lodopropynl Butylcarbarrate.

counting the number of humectants there are glycerin, castor oil, hydrogenated castor oil, and aloe juice-- your hair will feel like a bristle sponge during the winter and dry climates and environments if you use these many humectants.

Camilee Rose Algae Renew Deep Conditioner
Ingredients: Deoinized water, aloe vera juice, butyrospermum parkii(shea)butter, cocos nucifera (coconut oil), behentrimonium methosulfate (BTMS) cetyl alcohol, theobroma cacao (cocoa)butter, mangifera indica(mango)seed butter, cannabis sativa(hemp) seed oil, di panthenol, mel(manuka)honey, vegetable glycerin,camellia sinensis )green tea) extract, simmondsia chinensia(jojoba) seed oil, rosa canina(rose hip) fruit oil, bitis vinifera(grape)seed oil, oenothera biennis(evening primrose) oil,phenoxyethanol and capryly glycol(optiphen), blue green algae, dimethyl sulfone (msm), biotin, tocopheryl acetate(vitamin E), mentha piperita (peppermint)oil, scent and LOVE!

capryly glycol- drying humectifying alcohol preservative contributes to dryness in combination with everything else

shea butter can not be this high on the list, it is a heavy emollient, prone to build up and a triglyceride, aka anti humectant. Will make the hair feel as dry and hard as coconut oil does in the winter.

4 Naturals curl craze lotion
ngredients:
Water , Glycerine , Butyrospermum Parkii (Shea) , Glycol Distearate(aka, Ethylene glycol distearate) , Cetearyl Alcohol , Helianthus Annuus Seed Oil (Sunflower) , Ethylhexyl Palmitate , Phenoxyethanol , Caprylyl Glycol , Chlorphenesin , Allantoin , Aminomethyl Propanol , Aloe Barbadensis Leaf Juice Powder , Sodium Acrylate , Sodium Acryloyldimethyl, Taurate Copolymer , Trideceth-6 , Glycine Soja Oil (Soybean) , Tocopherol Acetate , Fragrance 

Tressemme naturals w/Aloe vera and avocado Nourishing Moisture Conditioner
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Water, Stearyl Alcohol, Cetyl Alcohol, Capric/Caprylic Triglyceride, Stearamidopropyl Dimethylamine, Fragrance, Lauryl Lysine, Caprylyl Glycol, Brassica Campestris (Rapeseed)/Aleurites Fordi Oil Copolymer, Aspartic Acid, Distearyldimonium Chloride(Quaternary ammonium salt), Persea Gratissima (Avacado) Oil (Organic), Citric Acid, Alcohol, Isopropyl Alcohol, Aloe Vera (Aloe Barbadensis) Leaf Juice (Organic)

the only tresseme naturals product i recommend is tresseme naturals radiant volume conditioner, the one with out the added orange, because it has a drying formula. the one you want to get if at all, because there are better cheaper ones, should have these ingredients:

Water (Aqua); Cetearyl Alcohol; Stearamidopropyl Dimethylamine; Behentrimonium Chloride(quaternary salt too high on list); Brassica Campestris/Aleurites Fordi Oil Copolymer; Cymbopogon Schoenanthus Extract; Citrus Aurantium Dulcis (Orange) Peel Extract; Fragrance; Dipropylene Glycol; Potassium Chloride; Lactic Acid; Disodium EDTA; DMDM Hydantoin; PEG-150 Distearate; Caprylic/Capric Triglyceride; Lauroyl Lysine; Methylchloroisothiazolinone; Methylisothiazolinone


http://www.desktopdrugstore.com/tresemme-naturals-radiant-volume-conditioner.html?gclid=CIzB1-eUvr0CFSwdOgodWVcAwg



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Originally posted by aharri23 aharri23 wrote:

pinkie can the shea moisture purification masque be used as a clay for this method since it has kaolin clay as one of the ingredients

Ingredients: Deionized Water , Cocos Nucifera Oil (Coconut) , Butyrospermum Parkii (Shea Butter) , Mangfera Indica Seed Butter (Mango) , Persea Gratissima Oil (Avocado) , African Black Soap Extract , Sea Salt , Cetyl Esters , Kaolin Clay , Grapeseed Oil , Simmondsia Chinensis Seed Oil (Jojoba) , Behentrimonium Chloride (Conditioner) , Salicylic Acid , Salix Alba Bark Extract (Willow) , Melia Azadirachta Seed Oil (Neem) , Melaleuca Alternifolia Leaf Oil (Tea Tree) , Sorbitol Esters , Aloe Vera Leaf Juice , Tocopherol (Vitamin E) , Rosemary Extract , Salvia Officinalis Extract (Sage) , Plantain Extract , Lonicera Caprifolium Flower and Lonicera Japonica Flower Extract (Honeysuckle and Japanese Honeysuckle)


I'm sorry i fell behind on your question about acv. I actually have notes typed up but they need to be organized and edited before i post my reply. In short though, ACV will not dry out the hair, so long as you pair it with options steam, ghe and deep condition in step two, to reopen the cuticle.


Ingredients: Deionized Water , Cocos Nucifera Oil (Coconut) , Butyrospermum Parkii (Shea Butter) , Mangfera Indica Seed Butter (Mango) , Persea Gratissima Oil (Avocado) , African Black Soap Extract , Sea Salt , Cetyl Esters(wax) , Kaolin Clay , Grapeseed Oil , Simmondsia Chinensis Seed Oil (Jojoba) , Behentrimonium Chloride (Conditioner) , Salicylic Acid , Salix Alba Bark Extract (Willow) , Melia Azadirachta Seed Oil (Neem) , Melaleuca Alternifolia Leaf Oil (Tea Tree) , Sorbitol Esters , Aloe Vera Leaf Juice , Tocopherol (Vitamin E) , Rosemary Extract , Salvia Officinalis Extract (Sage) , Plantain Extract , Lonicera Caprifolium Flower and Lonicera Japonica Flower Extract (Honeysuckle and Japanese Honeysuckle)

There are WAAAY too many heavy emulsifying ingredients before the actual kaolin clay, meaning it's detoxing properties will be disrupted.  this is one of the many problems with sheamoisture products, they are just to greasy. If you can find a plain organic powder version of pure kaolin clay, it will work.http://m.ebay.com/itm?itemId=270835487314

 If you are searching for convenience, get an empty 32 oz shampoo bottle and pour the ingredients of mix in there, then shake. Every time the clay settles, shake it before use. This will help so you do not have to make the clay mixture everyday, and should last for at least 5 days of constant use. Clay never expires by the way. There are also some as cheap and last, $5-6 dollars For a pound when i double checked. will also have to correct my reply to sugabana



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ok so i drove to trader joes to get the tingling conditioner everyone is raving about. what do you guys use as a leave-in?
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when i buy a conditioner using this method, so long as it doesnt contain any drying factors, i am able to effectively use it as my leave in, my cowash, my bakingsoda mixture, my deep conditioning treatment. I do not recommend unnecessary buying of several products that function the same way. Now, i even water down my conditioner in a separate application bottle for each step. This helps it last longer. The products are also ph balanced, and thick. the most ph balanced and thick conditioner i find are kckt and after that rader joes. When i do my bakingsoda step i am able to water it down quite a lot because of the fact it gets foamy not watery which makes it stay thick yet easier to spread than before watering it down. This also helps me because i find no need to respritz my hair with water as im styling.


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The following does not apply to maximumly hydrated hair:

fine strand low porosity VS Thick strand low porosity


Fine strand upsides

Easier for moisture to penetrate to hair cortext, once cuticles are opened

Easier to straighten and stretch


Fine strand disadvantages

Easier for set styles and curly styles to get flattened matted and smushed

Easier to revert and frizz from straightening and stretch

Fragile due to limited protective cuticle layers

Difficulty retaining length

Prone to split ends

Easy to weigh down and break with build up

No weight to the strands to form hangtime, which causes strands to curl and loop around on themselves, resulting in single strand knots

Absorbs delipatory substances faster

Thick strand upsides

Resistance to reverting

Resistant to delipatory substance absorption due to high number of cuticle layers

Easier to retain length. For example see naptural85(not sure of her porosity though.)

Resistant to breakage and split ends

Resistance to effects of humectants in dry climates

Natural hangtime due to more weight of hair cuticle

Thick strand low porosity down sides

Resistance to moisture penetration into the cortex, resulting in frizz which causes split ends

Resistence to straightening, must use higher heat more passes and less heat protectant for best results. Risky for heat damage

Resistance to stretching, or at least not as easy to stretch as fine hair

Does not feel soft when wet, or takes longer to feel soft when wet

Resistance to humectants in humid climates.



Note i do not consider elasticity a hair type or frizz a hair type, as i believe they are a direct result of moisture retention in the hair cortex. All hair types have cortexes and cuticles and they all have the ability to open and close at the base of it all.







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Pinkecube, a friend of mine gave me the Giovanni tea tree triple treat invigorating conditioner. Can you please help me look into the ingredients and let me know if there are any drying factors in this specific conditioner. I noticed the Glycerin right away as the 4th ingredient and of course the Aloe Vera not so sure about the rest...

Ingredients: Aqua(Purified Water), Cetyl Alcohol, Stearyl Alcohol, Glycerin, Brassicamidopropyl Dimethylamine, Panthenol, Cetrimonium Chloride, Cetearyl Alcohol, Hydroxypropyl Guar, Behentrimonium Methosulfate, Menthol, Polysorbate 60, Citric Acid, Disodium EDTA, Ethylhexylglycerin, Phenoxyehtanol, Mentha Piperita (Peppermint) Oil, *Aloe Barbadensis (Aloe Vera) Leaf Juice, * Carthamus Tinctorius(Safflower) Oil, * Achillea Millefolium Extract, *Chamomilla Recutita (Matricaria) Flower Extract, *Equisetum Arvense Extract, *Eucalyptus Globulus (Eucalyptus) Oil, Lavandula Angustifolia (Lavender) Leaf Extract, *Melaleuca Alternifolia (Tea Tree) Leaf Oil, *Rosmarinus Officinalis (Rosemary) Leaf Extract, *Salvia Officinalis (Sage) Leaf Extract, *Thymus Vulgaris (Thyme) Extract, *Tussilago Farfara (Coltsfoot) Flower Extract, *Ultrica Dioica (Nettle) Extract
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Originally posted by msdeekay msdeekay wrote:

Pinkecube, a friend of mine gave me the Giovanni tea tree triple treat invigorating conditioner. Can you please help me look into the ingredients and let me know if there are any drying factors in this specific conditioner. I noticed the Glycerin right away as the 4th ingredient and of course the Aloe Vera not so sure about the rest...

Ingredients: Aqua(Purified Water), Cetyl Alcohol, Stearyl Alcohol, Glycerin, Brassicamidopropyl Dimethylamine, Panthenol, Cetrimonium Chloride, Cetearyl Alcohol, Hydroxypropyl Guar, Behentrimonium Methosulfate, Menthol, Polysorbate 60, Citric Acid, Disodium EDTA, Ethylhexylglycerin, Phenoxyehtanol, Mentha Piperita (Peppermint) Oil, *Aloe Barbadensis (Aloe Vera) Leaf Juice, * Carthamus Tinctorius(Safflower) Oil, * Achillea Millefolium Extract, *Chamomilla Recutita (Matricaria) Flower Extract, *Equisetum Arvense Extract, *Eucalyptus Globulus (Eucalyptus) Oil, Lavandula Angustifolia (Lavender) Leaf Extract, *Melaleuca Alternifolia (Tea Tree) Leaf Oil, *Rosmarinus Officinalis (Rosemary) Leaf Extract, *Salvia Officinalis (Sage) Leaf Extract, *Thymus Vulgaris (Thyme) Extract, *Tussilago Farfara (Coltsfoot) Flower Extract, *Ultrica Dioica (Nettle) Extract


Ingredients: Aqua(Purified Water), Cetyl Alcohol, Stearyl Alcohol, Glycerin, Brassicamidopropyl Dimethylamine, Panthenol, Cetrimonium Chloride, Cetearyl Alcohol, Hydroxypropyl Guar, Behentrimonium Methosulfate, Menthol, Polysorbate 60, Citric Acid, Disodium EDTA, Ethylhexylglycerin, Phenoxyehtanol, Mentha Piperita (Peppermint) Oil, *Aloe Barbadensis (Aloe Vera) Leaf Juice, * Carthamus Tinctorius(Safflower) Oil, * Achillea Millefolium Extract, *Chamomilla Recutita (Matricaria) Flower Extract, *Equisetum Arvense Extract, *Eucalyptus Globulus (Eucalyptus) Oil, Lavandula Angustifolia (Lavender) Leaf Extract, *Melaleuca Alternifolia (Tea Tree) Leaf Oil, *Rosmarinus Officinalis (Rosemary) Leaf Extract, *Salvia Officinalis (Sage) Leaf Extract, *Thymus Vulgaris (Thyme) Extract, *Tussilago Farfara (Coltsfoot) Flower Extract, *Ultrica Dioica (Nettle) Extract


salts, humectants, ethanolamine and ethanols. all have properties that draw moisture from cortex.

look at the cheat sheet i sent to sugabanana earlier in the post. it has some suggested conditioners i pulled up so far.


Msdeekay, did that conditioner actually change their formula? The ingredients from the sites below seem to sell a less drying formulation. The one you have is labeled eco chick technology, where as this one is labeled pure organic technology:



http://www.walgreens.com/store/c/giovanni-tea-tree-triple-treat-invigorating-conditioner/ID=prod3447830-product#BVRRWidgetID

http://www.drugstore.com/giovanni-tea-tree-triple-treat-invigorating-conditioner/qxp240688
Aqua/Water/EauPurified , Malaleuca Alternifolia (Tea Tree) Leaf OilTea Tree * , Mentha Piperita (Peppermint) Leaf ExtractPeppermint * , Eucalyptus Globulus (Eucalyptus) Leaf OilEucalyptus Officinalis * , Thyme ExtractThymus Vulgaris * , Urtica Dioica ExtractNettle * , Tussilago Farfara Flower ExtractColtsfoot * , Salvia Officinalis (Sage) ExtractSage * , Rosmarinus Officinalis (Rosemary) ExtractRosemary * , Lavandula Angustifolia (Lavender) Leaf ExtractLavender * , Equisetum Arvense (Horsetail) ExtractHorsetail * , Chamomilla Recutita (Matricaria) Flower ExtractMatricaria * , Achillea Millefolium (Yarrow) Extract* , Cetearyl Alcohol , Stearyl Alcohol , Glycerin , Brassicamidopropyl Dimethylamine , Panthenol , Cetrimonium Methosulfate , Menthol , Polysorbate 60 , Citric Acid , Disodium EDTA , Ethylhexyglycerin , Phenoxyethanol , Fragranceincludes essential oil , Certified Organicby Guaranteed Certification Services





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Also does anyone know where to find tresseme naturals radiant volume conditioner on the ground? My walmart stopped carrying it :(
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Tresseme Naturals Radiant Volume with sweet orange and lemon grass

Water (Aqua); Cetearyl Alcohol; Stearamidopropyl Dimethylamine; Behentrimonium Chloride; Brassica Campestris/Aleurites Fordi Oil Copolymer; Cymbopogon Schoenanthus Extract; Citrus Aurantium Dulcis (Orange) Peel Extract; Fragrance; Dipropylene Glycol; Potassium Chloride; Lactic Acid; Disodium EDTA; DMDM Hydantoin; PEG-150 Distearate; Caprylic/Capric Triglyceride; Lauroyl Lysine; Methylchloroisothiazolinone; Methylisothiazolinone




Tresseme Naturals Radiant Volume With Sweet orange (Not the same product, they are trying to pretend it is the same but it has a more drying formulation)
 

Ingredients: Water (Aqua), Stearyl Alcohol, Cetyl Alcohol, Caprylic/Capric Triglyceride, Stearamidopropyl Dimethylamine, Fragrance (Parfum), Caprylyl Glycol, Aspartic Acid, Distearyldimonium Chloride, Lauroyl Lysine, Benzyl Alcohol(oily but not fatty alcohol, still drying), Citric Acid, Alcohol, Isopropyl Alcohol, Cymbopogon Schoenanthus Extract (USDA Certified Organic Extracts: Aloe Vera, Sweet Orange, and Avocado), Citrus Aurantium Dulcis (Orange) Peel Extract (USDA Certified Organic Extracts: Aloe Vera, Sweet Orange, and Avocado).


To my knowledge they took it off the shelves, and they are selling online a new formulation that is more drying. the only site i could find the old formula was

http://www.desktopdrugstore.com/tresemme-naturals-radiant-volume-conditioner.html?gclid=CIzB1-eUvr0CFSwdOgodWVcAwg
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