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Pinke, could you pls let me know if these
conditioners are MHM compatible? I may haye some more soon; it takes a
while to go through the products and weed out the ones that I know
contain no-no ingredients.
Giovanni Cosmetics Conditioner Smooth Silk - 8.5 oz
Aqua
(Purified Water) with (1)Rosemary (Rosmarinus Officinalis) Oil,
(1)Nettle (Uritica Dioica) Oil, (1)Thyme (Thymus Vulgaris) Oil, Birch
Leaf (Butela Alba) Oil, (1)Chamomile (Anthemis Nobilus Flower) Oil,
(1)Clary (Salvia Sclarea), (1)Lavender (Lavandula Angustifolia),
(1)Coltsfoot Leaf (Tussilago Farfara), (1) Yarrow (Achillea Millefolium)
Oil, (1)Mallow (Malva Sylvestris), (1)Horsetail (Equistetum Arvense)
Oil, (1)Soybean Protein (Glycine Soja), Cetyl Alcohol (plant derived),
Stearalkonium Chloride, Tocopherol (Vitamin E), Trace Minerals, Citric
Acid (corn), Sodium Hydroxymethglycinate, Grapefruit Seed (citrus
derived).
Giovanni Cosmetics Conditioner Tea Tree (Triple Treat) - 8.5 oz
Aqua
(Purified Water) with (1) Tea Tree (Melaleucas Alternifolia),
(1)Peppermint (Mentha Piperita) Oil, (1)Eucalyptus (Eucalyptus
Officinalis) Oil, (1)Nettle (Uritica Dioica) Oil, (1)Thyme (Thymus
Vulgaris) Oil, Birch Leaf (Butela Alba) Oil, (1)Chamomile (Anthemis
Nobilus Flower) Oil, (1)Clary (Salvia Sclarea), (1)Coltsfoot Leaf
(Tussilago Farfara), (1)Yarrow (Achillia Millefolium) Oil, (1)Mallow
(Malva Sylvestris), (1)Horsetail (Equistetum Arvense) Oil, (1)Soybean
Protein (Glycine Soja), Cetyl Alcohol (plant derived), Tocopherol
(Vitamin E), Trace Minerals, Citric Acid (corn), Sodium
Hydroxymethylgycinate, Grapefruit Seed (citrus derived).
Giovanni Cosmetics Conditioner Direct - 8.5 oz (this is leave in conditioner)
Aqua
(Purified Water) with (1)Rosemary (Rosmarinus Officinalis) Oil,
(1)Nettle (Uritica Dioica) Oil, (1)Thyme (Thymus Vulgaris) Oil, Birch
Leaf (Butela Alba) Oil, (1)Clary (Salvia Sclarea), (1)Lavender
(Lavandula Angustifolia), (1)Coltsfoot Leaf (Tussilago Farfara),
(1)Yarrow (Achillea Millefolium) Oil, (1)Mallow (Malva Sylvestris),
(1)Horsetail (Equistetum Arvense) Oil, (1)Soybean Protein (Glycine
Soja), Cetyl Alcohol (plant derived), Tocopherol (Vitamin E), Trace
Minerals, Citric Acid (corn), Sodium Hydroxymethyglycinate, Grapefruit
Seed (citrus derived).
Giovanni Cosmetics Nutrafixx Reconstructor ( 3 Minute Reconstructor ) - 6.8 fl oz (200 ml)
Aqua
(Water) with (1)Rosemary (Rosmarinus Officinalis) Oil, (1)Nettle
(Uritica Dioica) Oil, (1)Thyme (Thymus Vulgaris) Oil, Birch Leaf (Butela
Alba) Oil, (1)Chamomile (Anthemis Nobilus Flower) Oil, (1)Clary (Salvia
Sclarea), (1)Lavender (Lavandula Angustifolia), (1)Coltsfoot Leaf
(Tussilago Farfara), (1)Yarrow (Achillea Millefolium) Oil, (1)Mallow
(Malva Sylvestris), (1)Horsetail (Equistetum Arvense) Oil, (1)Soybean
Protein (Glycine Soja), Cetyl Alcohol (plant derived), Stearalkonium
Chloride, Tocopherol (Vitamin E), Trace Minerals, Citric Acid (corn),
Sodium Hydroxymethyglycinate, Grapefruit Seed (citrus derived).
Giovanni Cosmetics Conditioner 5050 Balanced Remoisturizer - 8.5 oz
Aqua
(Purified Water) with (1)Rosemary (Rosmarinus Officinalis) Oil,
(1)Nettle (Uritica Dioica) Oil,(1)Thyme (Thymus Vulgaris) Oil, Birch
Leaf (Butela Alba) Oil, (1)Chamomile (Anthemis Nobilus Flower) Oil,
(1)Clary (salvia Sclarea), (1)Lavender (Lavandula Augustifolia),
(1)Coltsfoot Leaf (Tussilago Farfara), (1) Yarrow Achillea Millefolium)
Oil, (1)Mallow (Malva Sylvestris), (1)Horsetail (Equistetum Arvense)
Oil, (1)Soybean Protein (Glycine Soja), Tocopherol (Vitamin E),
Acetamide MEA, Cetyl Alcohol (plant derived), Trace Minerals, Citric
Acid (corn), Sodium Hydroxymethlgycinate, Grapefruit Seed (citrus
derived).
TIA
Edited by Loves2Laugh - Jun 24 2014 at 5:52am
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Sorry I meant Can I seal the kckt with an oil instead of the kccc.
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Posted: Jun 24 2014 at 9:34am |
 Loves2Laugh wrote:
Pinke, could you pls let me know if these
conditioners are MHM compatible? I may haye some more soon; it takes a
while to go through the products and weed out the ones that I know
contain no-no ingredients.
Giovanni Cosmetics Conditioner Smooth Silk - 8.5 oz
Aqua
(Purified Water) with (1)Rosemary (Rosmarinus Officinalis) Oil,
(1)Nettle (Uritica Dioica) Oil, (1)Thyme (Thymus Vulgaris) Oil, Birch
Leaf (Butela Alba) Oil, (1)Chamomile (Anthemis Nobilus Flower) Oil,
(1)Clary (Salvia Sclarea), (1)Lavender (Lavandula Angustifolia),
(1)Coltsfoot Leaf (Tussilago Farfara), (1) Yarrow (Achillea Millefolium)
Oil, (1)Mallow (Malva Sylvestris), (1)Horsetail (Equistetum Arvense)
Oil, (1)Soybean Protein (Glycine Soja), Cetyl Alcohol (plant derived),
Stearalkonium Chloride, Tocopherol (Vitamin E), Trace Minerals, Citric
Acid (corn), Sodium Hydroxymethglycinate, Grapefruit Seed (citrus
derived).
Giovanni Cosmetics Conditioner Tea Tree (Triple Treat) - 8.5 oz
Aqua
(Purified Water) with (1) Tea Tree (Melaleucas Alternifolia),
(1)Peppermint (Mentha Piperita) Oil, (1)Eucalyptus (Eucalyptus
Officinalis) Oil, (1)Nettle (Uritica Dioica) Oil, (1)Thyme (Thymus
Vulgaris) Oil, Birch Leaf (Butela Alba) Oil, (1)Chamomile (Anthemis
Nobilus Flower) Oil, (1)Clary (Salvia Sclarea), (1)Coltsfoot Leaf
(Tussilago Farfara), (1)Yarrow (Achillia Millefolium) Oil, (1)Mallow
(Malva Sylvestris), (1)Horsetail (Equistetum Arvense) Oil, (1)Soybean
Protein (Glycine Soja), Cetyl Alcohol (plant derived), Tocopherol
(Vitamin E), Trace Minerals, Citric Acid (corn), Sodium
Hydroxymethylgycinate, Grapefruit Seed (citrus derived).
Giovanni Cosmetics Conditioner Direct - 8.5 oz (this is leave in conditioner)
Aqua
(Purified Water) with (1)Rosemary (Rosmarinus Officinalis) Oil,
(1)Nettle (Uritica Dioica) Oil, (1)Thyme (Thymus Vulgaris) Oil, Birch
Leaf (Butela Alba) Oil, (1)Clary (Salvia Sclarea), (1)Lavender
(Lavandula Angustifolia), (1)Coltsfoot Leaf (Tussilago Farfara),
(1)Yarrow (Achillea Millefolium) Oil, (1)Mallow (Malva Sylvestris),
(1)Horsetail (Equistetum Arvense) Oil, (1)Soybean Protein (Glycine
Soja), Cetyl Alcohol (plant derived), Tocopherol (Vitamin E), Trace
Minerals, Citric Acid (corn), Sodium Hydroxymethyglycinate, Grapefruit
Seed (citrus derived).
Giovanni Cosmetics Nutrafixx Reconstructor ( 3 Minute Reconstructor ) - 6.8 fl oz (200 ml)
Aqua
(Water) with (1)Rosemary (Rosmarinus Officinalis) Oil, (1)Nettle
(Uritica Dioica) Oil, (1)Thyme (Thymus Vulgaris) Oil, Birch Leaf (Butela
Alba) Oil, (1)Chamomile (Anthemis Nobilus Flower) Oil, (1)Clary (Salvia
Sclarea), (1)Lavender (Lavandula Angustifolia), (1)Coltsfoot Leaf
(Tussilago Farfara), (1)Yarrow (Achillea Millefolium) Oil, (1)Mallow
(Malva Sylvestris), (1)Horsetail (Equistetum Arvense) Oil, (1)Soybean
Protein (Glycine Soja), Cetyl Alcohol (plant derived), Stearalkonium
Chloride, Tocopherol (Vitamin E), Trace Minerals, Citric Acid (corn),
Sodium Hydroxymethyglycinate, Grapefruit Seed (citrus derived).
Giovanni Cosmetics Conditioner 5050 Balanced Remoisturizer - 8.5 oz
Aqua
(Purified Water) with (1)Rosemary (Rosmarinus Officinalis) Oil,
(1)Nettle (Uritica Dioica) Oil,(1)Thyme (Thymus Vulgaris) Oil, Birch
Leaf (Butela Alba) Oil, (1)Chamomile (Anthemis Nobilus Flower) Oil,
(1)Clary (salvia Sclarea), (1)Lavender (Lavandula Augustifolia),
(1)Coltsfoot Leaf (Tussilago Farfara), (1) Yarrow Achillea Millefolium)
Oil, (1)Mallow (Malva Sylvestris), (1)Horsetail (Equistetum Arvense)
Oil, (1)Soybean Protein (Glycine Soja), Tocopherol (Vitamin E),
Acetamide MEA, Cetyl Alcohol (plant derived), Trace Minerals, Citric
Acid (corn), Sodium Hydroxymethlgycinate, Grapefruit Seed (citrus
derived).
TIA
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up before and they are no-no's. I wouldn't be surprised that they
changed the ingredients from what you provided and barely changed the
label so the ingredients you shared could be before the change. I think i
talked about this before with msdeekay. I'll edit this with the page it
is on.
Giovanni
Cosmetics Conditioner Smooth Silk
Water, Cetyl
Alcohol, Butylene Glycol, Cetrimonium Bromide,
Phenoxythanol, Ethylhexylglycerin, Natural Fragrance,
Hydrolyzed Protein, Chamomilla Recutita (Matricaria) Leaf
Extract (USDA Certified Organic), Citrus Aurantium Dulcis (Valencia
Organge) Extract (USDA Certified Organic), Citrus Grandis
(Grapefruit) Fruit Extract, Cymbopogon Schoenanthus (Lemongrass)
Extract (USDA Certified Organic), Echinacea Purpurea Extract (USDA
Certified Organic), Ginkgo Biloba Extract (USDA Certified Organic),
Glycine Soja (Soybean) Seed Extract, Lavandula Angustifolia
(Lavender) Extract (USDA Certified Organic), Rosmarinus Officinalis
(Rosemary) Leaf Extract (USDA Certified Organic), Macrocystis
Pyrifera (Sea Kelp) Extract (USDA Certified Organic), Mangifera
Indica (Mango) Extract (USDA Certified Organic), Salix Alba (Willow
Bark) (USDA Certified Organic)
Giovanni
Cosmetics Conditioner Tea Tree (Triple Treat
Aqua/Water/Eau
(Purified), Malaleuca Alternifolia (Tea Tree) Leaf Oil (Tea Tree *),
Mentha Piperita (Peppermint) Leaf Extract (Peppermint *), Eucalyptus
Globulus (Eucalyptus) Leaf Oil (Eucalyptus Officinalis *), Thyme
Extract (Thymus Vulgaris *), Urtica Dioica Extract (Nettle *),
Tussilago Farfara Flower Extract (Coltsfoot *), Salvia Officinalis
(Sage) Extract (Sage *), Rosmarinus Officinalis (Rosemary) Extract
(Rosemary *), Lavandula Angustifolia (Lavender) Leaf Extract
(Lavender *), Equisetum Arvense (Horsetail) Extract (Horsetail *),
Chamomilla Recutita (Matricaria) Flower Extract (Matricaria *),
Achillea Millefolium (Yarrow) Extract (*), Cetearyl Alcohol, Stearyl
Alcohol, Glycerin, Brassicamidopropyl Dimethylamine,
Panthenol, Cetrimonium Methosulfate, Menthol, Polysorbate 60,
Citric Acid, Disodium EDTA, Ethylhexyglycerin, Phenoxyethanol,
Fragrance (includes essential oil), Certified Organic (by Guaranteed
Certification Services)
Giovanni
Cosmetics Conditioner Direct
Aqua
(purified water)‚ Cetyl Alcohol‚ Tocopherol (Vitamin E)‚
panthenol (Pro-Vitamin B5)‚ Citric Acid‚ Phenoxyethanol‚
Natural Fragrance‚ Citrus Grandis (Grapefruit) Extract‚ *Aloe
Barbadensis (Aloe Vera) Leaf Juice‚ *Helianthus Annus
(Sunflower) Seed Oil‚ *Glycine Soja (Soybean) Seed Extract‚
*Betula Alba Extract‚ *Malva Sylvestris (Mallow) Extract‚
*Achillea Millefolium extract‚ *Lavendula Angustifolia (Lavender)
extract‚ *Rosmarinus Officinalis (Rosemary) Leaf Extract‚ *Salvia
Sclarea (Cary) extract‚ *Thymus Vulgaris (Thyme) Extract‚
*Tussilago Farfara (Coltsfoot) Flower Extract‚ *Urtica Dioica
(Nettle) Extract.
Giovanni
Cosmetics Nutrafixx Reconstructor This one is the only one okay
Aqua (purified water), *helianthus annuus (sunflower) seed oil,
*glycine soja (soybean) seed extract, *betula alba (birch) extract,
*malva sylvestris (mallow) extract, achillea millefolium extract,
*chamomilla recutita (matricaria) flower extract, *equisetum arvense
extract, * lavandula angustifolia (lavender) extract, *rosmarinus
officinalis (rosemary) leaf extract, *salvia sclarea (clary) extract,
*thymus vulgaris (thyme) extract, *tussilago farfara (coltsfoot)
flowerer extract, urtica dioica (nettle) extract cetyl alcohol,
steralkonium chloride, tocopherol (vitamin E), citric acid,
phenoxyethanol, natural fragrance
Giovanni Cosmetics
Conditioner 5050 Balanced Remoisturizer
Purified
Water (Aqua), Cetyl Alcohol, Stearyl Alcohol, Glycerin,
Brassicamidopropyl Dimethylamine, Achillea Millefolium (Yarrow)
Extract (*Yarrow), Chamomilla Recutita (Matricaria) Extract
(*Matricaria), Equisetum Hyemale (Horsetail) Extract (*), Lavandula
Angustifolia (Lavender) Extract (*Lavender), Rosmarinus Officinalis
(Rosemary) Extract (*Rosemary), Salvia Sclarea (Clary Sage) Extract
(*Clary), Thyme (Thymus Vulgaris) Extract (*Thyme), Tussilago Farfara
(Coltsfoot) Flower Extract (*Coltsfoot), Urtica Dioica (Nettle)
Extract (*Nettle), Polysorbate 60, Phenoxyethanol, Cetearyl Alcohol,
Hydroxypropyl Guar, Behentrimonium Methosulfate, Ethylhexl
Glycerin, Disodium EDTA, Panthenol,
Centrimonium Chloride, Fragrance, Citric Acid
Edited by pinkecube - Jun 24 2014 at 10:03am
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tnbrown16 wrote:
Sorry I meant Can I seal the kckt with an oil instead of the kccc. |
yes you can, but i most recommend a gel or at least layering both oil nd a gel. Gel is better at sealing in moisture because it forms a cast. I do not recommend sealing with something like coconut oil.
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tnbrown16 wrote:
Hello All! I just began MTM last week with the cherry lola. i have noticed a difference in my and my daughters hair. I have been focusing more on her hair and try to do the treatment everyother day.( i do the split, DC over night) I have a quick question, since the KC products are so expensive. and I dont let her wear a wash and go style, would it be ok for me to seal the KCCC with an oil instead of the gel. is the gel step really necessary to seal in moisture? Just curious. Thanks for any insight on this. :-) |
Hi tnbrown  welcome to the MHM journey. The gel step is highly recommended, gel can be used to seal no matter what the style. to save money you can even water down the gel. But even so you can use an oil, i recommend castor oil.
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Hey just an update:
I've been using Trader Joe's conditioner as my deep conditioner. First of all, that conditioner in combination with my oil mixture has greatly reduced my scalp irritation. I finally, earlier this week did GHE over night with NO itching whatsoever. The caveat to this was my hair had to be relatively DRY before I put on the cap. My hair was slightly damp, but not soaking wet as I had been doing previously. Also, I had been using my oil mixture daily. I still itch from time to time, but I have no soreness and no itching that feels like an allergic reaction. This oil mixture stops any itching INSTANTLY (may itch an hour later, but not as badly) and reduced my itching over time Here is my mixture:
Any oil (I used growth oil) base MSM/sulfur Bentonite clay tea tree oil garlic oil grapefruit seed extract
I would like to play with eucalyptus oil, too and see what that might do. But the ingreidnets I have used so far are very anti-microbial.
Now, I am a believer in getting rid of the CAUSE of something, not just treating the symptoms. I believe my oil mixture and doing GHE on DRY hair (not wet hair!!! Wet, warm hair is a nice breeding ground for the irritating microbes) is treating the symptoms. I am looking for a dermatologist who specializes in black hair to look at my scalp. I suspect I might have a skin condition in general.
I've been experimenting with thickness, oils, and wetness. Baking soda and oil in my deep conditioner makes my hair very soft, but not more clumped. Should my deep conditioner clump or should clumping form with the mud mask?
Also, I am experimenting with doing GHE with the gel on. As in, I do the routine, at the end of the day, I know I won't have time to do the routine again the next day. Unfortunately, my hair is not as soft the 2nd day as the 1st day. If my scalp is dry and I apply my oil, I believe I can GHE with no discomfort.
Anyway, due to this observation, I am going to make my baking soda cleanser THICKER (now it is watery) and take more care to making sure it saturates each strand. I was considering putting baking soda in my deep conditioner, but I am afraid of cleansing with ACV and then deep conditioning with baking soda. Thoughts??? And I want to start adding warm OIL to my deep conditioner.
Lastly, I have been diluting my KCCC with water and oil. Yeah, I made my KCCC last 5 times longer than it should have lasted (I am VERY heavy-handed!!!). That one tub of KCCC has lasted me 2 months. I did not see a difference in end results between when it was diluted and when it wasn't. KCCC is very expensive so I will keep diluting it. It also makes the KCCC stop flaking in your hair. If you dilute it and still get flakes, just put more water. If you use oil, use only VERY LITTLE. Like... HALF a teaspoon. I get less results if I put more oil than that and my hair feels like I put grease all over it. What I'd like to experiment with next is continue using KCCC as a "starter" and dilute it with FLAXSEED GEL (homemade). As a plus, I've heard people say that some how, the flaxseed gel helps their hair absorb more moisture than before. I don't know how that works, but why not? lol
Edited by kwicherbichen - Jun 24 2014 at 12:07pm
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Thanks for the tips on the gel and the coconut oil. I don't use cooking oil period and the only two oils I have on hand are castor oil and coconut oil. Can I use the castor oil instead of the coconut oil? Also, the castor oil is very thick, how can I make it smoother and less thick?
Thanks for answering my questions.
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bohomojo wrote:
Thanks for the tips on the gel and the coconut oil. I don't use cooking oil period and the only two oils I have on hand are castor oil and coconut oil. Can I use the castor oil instead of the coconut oil? Also, the castor oil is very thick, how can I make it smoother and less thick?
Thanks for answering my questions. |
your welcome bohomojo, castor oil is fine. You can mix it with extra virgin olive oil, which is actually what i did after i last used it.
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Okay my last set of questions before I start washing my hair.
I sit under the dryer and deep condition my hair. Is that okay? Its on low and I use a plastic bag and a shower cap.
Has anyone tried making their own conditioner/moisturizer?
For the clay rinse part, I do it in sections but i can't necessarily do it by clumps/coils since I have about 8-10 inches of relaxed ends. Also, can i heat up the rinse so its a bit warm? I did it like that before and the coconut oil scare didn't happen, but I just want to make sure it is okay.
Once I wash out the rinse, I have an oil moisturizer (in cream form). Must I use a different conditioner first before using the oil moisturizer? Since I am roller setting my hair, must I use a gel? If so, I'm going to water it down a lot. (I have a thickness problem. I cannot stand thick products unless they are creamy.)
While touching my hair out of the random yesterday, I found a couple of coils clumped together perfectly and I am wondering if that is what I should be looking for when I reach maximum hydration(which will take centuries for me).
Last question, will my hair be able to reach maximum hydration quicker when I big chop?
No one is obligated to answer a single question. I just need to ask them all.
Thanks again.
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bohomojo wrote:
Okay my last set of questions before I start washing my hair.
I sit under the dryer and deep condition my hair. Is that okay? Its on low and I use a plastic bag and a shower cap.
Has anyone tried making their own conditioner/moisturizer?
For
the clay rinse part, I do it in sections but i can't necessarily do it
by clumps/coils since I have about 8-10 inches of relaxed ends. Also,
can i heat up the rinse so its a bit warm? I did it like that before and
the coconut oil scare didn't happen, but I just want to make sure it is
okay.
Once I wash out the rinse, I have an oil
moisturizer (in cream form). Must I use a different conditioner first
before using the oil moisturizer? Since I am roller setting my hair,
must I use a gel? If so, I'm going to water it down a lot. (I have a
thickness problem. I cannot stand thick products unless they are
creamy.)
While touching my hair out of the
random yesterday, I found a couple of coils clumped together perfectly
and I am wondering if that is what I should be looking for when I reach
maximum hydration(which will take centuries for me).
Last question, will my hair be able to reach maximum hydration quicker when I big chop?
No one is obligated to answer a single question. I just need to ask them all.
Thanks again. |
It's perfectly okay, just like using a thermal heating cap. The heat in this case is going to help your hair absorb the moisture since it will be trapped by the cap.Like deep conditioning. I haven't tried that, but maybe someone else could answer. It should be fine, as long as they aren't mixing some olive oil with aloe juice and calling it conditioner. It needs to be emulsified and water based. yes that's fine. I recommend just using heated water and adding the heated water to the clay rinse. If the moisturizer is oil based, yes you need to use conditioner first. You can use an oil, but i recommend gel because it is better at sealing in moisture. Either way use what you prefer. Just make sure you are sealing with something, and it isn't glycerin or coconut oil. Cool, to hear your first signs of max hydration on your transitioning hair! yes look for signs like that for max hydration. As for if your hair will reach max hydration quicker when you big chop, I couldn't answer that for sure. I think that with less hair it is possible to see results faster.
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