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I make your skin chafe, rashes on the masses
Bumps and bruises, blunts and Landcruisers
Big Poppa smash fools, bash fools
Brothaz mad because I know that Cash Rules
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One of the posts I made about Biggie's influence on hip hop, and why he goes down as one of the greatest of all time.

Originally posted by Random Thoughts Random Thoughts wrote:

Originally posted by shoulderlengthb shoulderlengthb wrote:

Meh.
He wasn't a legend but I like a few of his songs.


Anyone that creates a legendary album is a legend, IMO.

Why was Ready To Die legendary? It changed the way albums were made on the East Coast. It literally forced every producer and rapper to change the way they made music.

Diddy said patterned Ready to Die after the Chronic, right down to the way Dre double mixed and mastered the album. Diddy had been on the production side of music for a long time, working with Usher, and Mary J, and learning from Heavy D. But my point is didn't actually pay attention to the sound quality of the music until he heard the Chronic, which even people today say is one of the best "sounding" albums of all time, regardless of genre.

Before the Chronic, most hip hop artist wouldn't even master or mix their music. Listen to pretty much any album on the east coast prior to Ready To Die and it's painfully obvious. Mobb Deep was notorious for it. It wasn't all their fault because a lot of artist couldn't afford it and they thought it was a waste of money because the hip hop market didn't demand for excellent sound quality. Producers like DJ Premiere would do it intentionally because he thought the essence of new york/east coast hip hop was gritty, grimey, dirty records and that was what seperated it from the rest of the country. The West and the South had already evolved but the East was still stuck on the gritty tip.

When Diddy and Biggie worked on Ready To Die, they wanted to capture that dirty, grimey, essence of New York but polish it up in a way that NY had never seen. They made it pretty, classy, and clean sounding. Still had the low frequencies but the the highs were crisp and every sound had it's own space. People really realized that it just sounded better than anything else on that coast, and that was without even getting into the lyricism of the album. Ready To Die was the real first album on that coast that made people realize sound quality was just as important as the beats and the emceeing. When people say Diddy and Biggie brought New York back, it was because they stopped being stubborn and borrowed from Dre while maintaining New York's essence.

Dre did it for his coast and Biggie/Diddy did it for their coast and it changed the very way hip hop sounded and how artist attempted to make their music. Production took on new meaning. Diddy and Biggie are legends because of that influence alone. And that's without even getting into the fact that dozens of artist attempted to copy them. Every big time east coast release post-ready to die would attempt to duplicate that blueprint.



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For the record, I don't think Biggie is the greatest of all time, only because I don't think there is such thing as the greatest of all time. But Biggie is on the mount rushmore of hip hop, with whoever else you wanna put up there as 'in the discussion', be it Rakim, Nas, Jay, Pac or whoever. He'll always be mentioned, till the end of time.

The thread title is from one of the greatest rap battle tracks of all time in Canibus' 2nd round Knockout. It's nothing more than paying homage to the spirit of the line as well as the slain rapper.

Nas said it best.

Who's the best? Pac, Nas, and Big
Ain't no best, east, west, north, south, flossed out
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It just hit me he got killed at the age I am now...So frickin young
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Oh yeah.LOLBig smile

I love Pac, but one thing I think that always takes away from his legacy is the fact that he never had a truly coast defining/influential/undisputed classic album.

Most of the other artist in the GOAT discussion had a classic album to their name.

Nas with Illmatic.
Biggie with Ready to Die.
Jay with Reasonable Doubt.
Rakim with Paid In Full
Dre with The Chronic
Mobb Deep with The Infamous.
Outkast with Aquemini.
Wu Tang with 36 Chambers.
Raekwon with Only Built For Cuban Linx.

List goes on and on. I guess the only album from Pac that people can legitimately argue is Me Against The World. And while I'd agree that it's his best album, it didn't have the influence or shakeup value that 7 Day Theory or All Eyes On Me had, and those, track to track, were only average albums.

In hindsight, there will be a lot of people that will put Pacs albums in higher regard post death, even if at the time they weren't as critically regarded, but even that doesn't change the fact that none of Pacs albums shifted hip hop like Dre's did for the west, Nas and Biggies did for the East, Outkast and Scarface did for the south, etc.

He has as many classic songs as anybody though. So that will always go in his favor. Releasing 400 billion albums will do that. LOL
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real good book that came out last year. it put alot of things in perspective, brought alot of closure to both Pac and BIG's murder for me. 
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How good on a scale between 1 to 5?
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Real nice intevriew with his daughter. She seems to have a good head on her shoulders. 
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Originally posted by Random Thoughts Random Thoughts wrote:

How good on a scale between 1 to 5?

id give it a 5 compared to this book that came out in 2002. I read "Murder Rap" in like 3 days. It really held my attention. I couldnt put it down. 




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