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LMAO, they are scared of any african religion Afro and call it demonic and evil. I rather practice Santeria or Ifa than any other West Asian religion. But for all intended purposes, spirituality is for individuals and religion is for controlled groups. I choose spirituality, nothing another man can't teach me or force me to learn that I can get from my own walk.
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Originally posted by iliveforbhm iliveforbhm wrote:

To be exact it's a western asian religion(s) that derives from other religions around western asian and northern africa and tidbit from india. When you look at the whole picture. It's a mixed of tons of other religions and formed years and years. Like I said Western Africa was not christian and that was eastern Africa and still it was different from European christianity. West Africa had Islam, but it wasn't as strong as thought to be usually the aristicrats were Muslim and it was primarily for trading purposes, but they didn't pressure the smaller towns and tribes to be muslim.



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Originally posted by kfoxx1998 kfoxx1998 wrote:

Originally posted by iliveforbhm iliveforbhm wrote:

To be exact it's a western asian religion(s) that derives from other religions around western asian and northern africa and tidbit from india. When you look at the whole picture. It's a mixed of tons of other religions and formed years and years. Like I said Western Africa was not christian and that was eastern Africa and still it was different from European christianity. West Africa had Islam, but it wasn't as strong as thought to be usually the aristicrats were Muslim and it was primarily for trading purposes, but they didn't pressure the smaller towns and tribes to be muslim.



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The middle east or you can call it north African or Western Asia. Depending on who has control over it. It's pretty much up for grabs to the strongest warlord throughout history. The only thing African about the bible is for it's stolen knowledge of the cosmos hidden inside the stories (12 tribes of Israel, 12 disciples, the different numbers presented in the bible)  and 10 commandments and tree of life and tree of knowledge. Bu
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LoL @ Christianity being derived outside of Europe. Yes I understand the people, regions, and context of the Bible is centered around non-European regions. However, Europeans used Christianity and later the King James version of it to lie, cheat and steal their way throughout every continent on this planet!
I'm sorry, but I refuse to take that sh*t word-for-word when it was adversely used against us for centuries.
For the record, the foregoing statements are opinions which I'm entitled to. I cannot, in good faith, tell you something is bond without backing it up with facts and citations and I would appreciate it if everyone who chooses to "enlighten" us folks would do the same. If not, please disclaim your ish as your opinion or what you heard, or what you believe.  Unless you have double PhD in Theology, just typing it out sure as hell don't make it so.
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Prior to coming to the West as slaves, many of our (AA/Blacks) ancestors were Muslims. 

Majority of the slaves were taken from West Africa, a region that is, still to this day, predominately a Muslim population. 

To answer your question OP: yes, our ancestors did have their own religion when they came, and there were those that remained steadfast in practicing their faith (even though they were tortured and punished for doing so). 


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OP, and anyone else interested in this topic:

There is a MASSIVE amount of research and study already done on this topic (there is even a museum in America dedicated to this topic alone), so I'll just drop a few names for starting points and suggested readings:

Servants of Allah: African Muslims Enslaved in the Americas by Sylviance A. Diouf


Quote Servants of Allah presents a history of African Muslims, following them from West Africa to the Americas.  Although many assume that what Muslim faith they brought with them to the Americas was quickly absorbed into the new Christian milieu, as Sylviane A. Diouf demonstrates in this meticulously-researched, groundbreaking volume, Islam flourished during slavery on a large scale. She details how, even while enslaved, many Muslims managed to follow most of the precepts of their religion. Literate, urban, and well-traveled, they drew on their organization, solidarity and the strength of their beliefs to play a major part in the most well-known slave uprisings. But for all their accomplishments and contributions to the history and cultures of the African Diaspora, the Muslims have been largely ignored.


Also, check out the biographies of Abdulrahman Ibrahim ibn Sori, Omar ibn Said, and more recently Malcolm X. 

Good to know our history and where we come from. 
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lol @ trudawg asking niccahs for peer reviewed research LOLCryLOL

I hear you.  It bugs me when some things are stated as if they are fact because I know some ppl take the info and run with it like they done discovered some profound "truth".  A lot of stuff is just all up in your facial area thoughDead
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Originally posted by iliveforbhm iliveforbhm wrote:

Originally posted by kfoxx1998 kfoxx1998 wrote:

Originally posted by iliveforbhm iliveforbhm wrote:

To be exact it's a western asian religion(s) that derives from other religions around western asian and northern africa and tidbit from india. When you look at the whole picture. It's a mixed of tons of other religions and formed years and years. Like I said Western Africa was not christian and that was eastern Africa and still it was different from European christianity. West Africa had Islam, but it wasn't as strong as thought to be usually the aristicrats were Muslim and it was primarily for trading purposes, but they didn't pressure the smaller towns and tribes to be muslim.



What is? 
 
The middle east or you can call it north African or Western Asia. Depending on who has control over it. It's pretty much up for grabs to the strongest warlord throughout history. The only thing African about the bible is for it's stolen knowledge of the cosmos hidden inside the stories (12 tribes of Israel, 12 disciples, the different numbers presented in the bible)  and 10 commandments and tree of life and tree of knowledge. Bu


I still don't understand what you mean.   You said "it's a western asian religion(s) that derives from other religions around western asian and northern africa and tidbit from india"

I'm asking you WHAT is a western asian religion that derives from.......

Are you saying that about Christianity because it doesn't make sense if it is also a European developed religion.
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Originally posted by kfoxx1998 kfoxx1998 wrote:

Originally posted by iliveforbhm iliveforbhm wrote:

Originally posted by kfoxx1998 kfoxx1998 wrote:

Originally posted by iliveforbhm iliveforbhm wrote:

To be exact it's a western asian religion(s) that derives from other religions around western asian and northern africa and tidbit from india. When you look at the whole picture. It's a mixed of tons of other religions and formed years and years. Like I said Western Africa was not christian and that was eastern Africa and still it was different from European christianity. West Africa had Islam, but it wasn't as strong as thought to be usually the aristicrats were Muslim and it was primarily for trading purposes, but they didn't pressure the smaller towns and tribes to be muslim.



What is? 
 
The middle east or you can call it north African or Western Asia. Depending on who has control over it. It's pretty much up for grabs to the strongest warlord throughout history. The only thing African about the bible is for it's stolen knowledge of the cosmos hidden inside the stories (12 tribes of Israel, 12 disciples, the different numbers presented in the bible)  and 10 commandments and tree of life and tree of knowledge. Bu


I still don't understand what you mean.   You said "it's a western asian religion(s) that derives from other religions around western asian and northern africa and tidbit from india"

I'm asking you WHAT is a western asian religion that derives from.......

Are you saying that about Christianity because it doesn't make sense if it is also a European developed religion.

because it is not a european developed religion. But my view is not a religion its a relationship. 
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Originally posted by kfoxx1998 kfoxx1998 wrote:

Originally posted by iliveforbhm iliveforbhm wrote:

Originally posted by kfoxx1998 kfoxx1998 wrote:

Originally posted by iliveforbhm iliveforbhm wrote:

To be exact it's a western asian religion(s) that derives from other religions around western asian and northern africa and tidbit from india. When you look at the whole picture. It's a mixed of tons of other religions and formed years and years. Like I said Western Africa was not christian and that was eastern Africa and still it was different from European christianity. West Africa had Islam, but it wasn't as strong as thought to be usually the aristicrats were Muslim and it was primarily for trading purposes, but they didn't pressure the smaller towns and tribes to be muslim.



What is? 
 
The middle east or you can call it north African or Western Asia. Depending on who has control over it. It's pretty much up for grabs to the strongest warlord throughout history. The only thing African about the bible is for it's stolen knowledge of the cosmos hidden inside the stories (12 tribes of Israel, 12 disciples, the different numbers presented in the bible)  and 10 commandments and tree of life and tree of knowledge. Bu


I still don't understand what you mean.   You said "it's a western asian religion(s) that derives from other religions around western asian and northern africa and tidbit from india"

I'm asking you WHAT is a western asian religion that derives from.......

Are you saying that about Christianity because it doesn't make sense if it is also a European developed religion.
 
First let's look at Judaism for one, it derives from the apiru or habiru people which is not an ethnic group but different nomads, a majority of them mercenaries from around the middle east. A western asian religion would be Zoastrian which heavily influenced current Judiasm, another would be the cannanite religions, another would bablyonian religions. They all heavily influenced the bible in one way or another. The hebrew people said they descent from Ur which is located in Iraq and where Gilgamesh was born and said to rule at.
 
Just that alone makes it non-european, european thought haven't even begun when the influence of Judiasm would come into play and the African influence was that Yah was a mountain/moon/volcano/weather god depending what  tribe, nation or group was worshipping him as. The people of Kemet said Yah was a mountain god, some cannanites thought of him as a storm god in some relationship derivance of Set.
 
I can write more, but let me find that link and it will give you more background of those ancient people and pretty much real hebrew culture has been lost for thousands of years and only their cultural stories were perserved, but not their actual history and origins.
 
One other thing was that they were in the levante being controlled by Kemet as they ransacked them with the hyskos and made them paid tribute. They called Kemet a bully when they were just getting vegeance on them what they have done to Kemet.
 
 
 
It's clear that the three big religion are western asian cultures with african influence and some ideology.
 
This website goes real in depth but double check and do research, but my research led to this.
 


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