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Originally posted by Bunnyahh Bunnyahh wrote:

Originally posted by lexis83 lexis83 wrote:

Bunny, that question is too open ended.

There are certain/ several factors that determine smarts.
ok, remember those 2 threads where the school districts were lowering the expectations of test scores for blacks cuz they say realistically blks did worse overall.  Many were talking about parents, resources, teachers, communities etc..  and if the average blk kid is reading at a 6th grade level by the time they are in 8th grade, how can you pick the better student when the playing field is even & they are both at the starting line?


they were not lowering scores....just the % needed to pass
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Originally posted by Bunnyahh Bunnyahh wrote:

Originally posted by ms_wonderland ms_wonderland wrote:

Originally posted by Bunnyahh Bunnyahh wrote:

Originally posted by ms_wonderland ms_wonderland wrote:

Originally posted by Bunnyahh Bunnyahh wrote:

when a white child is in 1st grade & a black child is in 1st grade, who is the smarter child?


The smarter child is the one that is smarter.
which is.........
 

I think you are missing my point


I am missing the point entirely
   my point is they are both at the starting point of their education.  Neither one has yet to "fall" behind due to familial, social, or economical factors which may play into their stagnation later in life

Actually, first grade they're already behind.

Studies show that preschool children of higher income have a vocabulary that is on average larger and more complex (like 5-10 larger) than preschool children of lower income. And studies show that those same children of higher income have vocabs larger and more complex than the parents of the low income children.

Add issues of in-utero stress and health, stress, bad nutrition, environmental factors (pollution, danger, fear, domestic violence, mental health, insecure attachment, etc.). 

The playing field is never level and most children in poverty are already wayyyyyy far behind compared to their peers with higher incomes.
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Originally posted by Bunnyahh Bunnyahh wrote:

Originally posted by ms_wonderland ms_wonderland wrote:

1st grade is not the starting line...
what is?


At home learning and development before entering the classroom.



Edited by jonesable - Dec 11 2012 at 3:09pm
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Originally posted by Bunnyahh Bunnyahh wrote:

Originally posted by ms_wonderland ms_wonderland wrote:

Originally posted by Bunnyahh Bunnyahh wrote:

Originally posted by ms_wonderland ms_wonderland wrote:

Originally posted by Bunnyahh Bunnyahh wrote:

when a white child is in 1st grade & a black child is in 1st grade, who is the smarter child?


The smarter child is the one that is smarter.
which is.........
 

I think you are missing my point


I am missing the point entirely
   my point is they are both at the starting point of their education.  Neither one has yet to "fall" behind due to familial, social, or economical factors which may play into their stagnation later in life


you serious?
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Originally posted by BeatriceBean BeatriceBean wrote:

And while what he said was very demoralizing as well as very myopic, I will say that the Black American community is still, in large part, very oriented around survival instead of success.


This. And I do think this is emphasized in single parent homes because, well, it has to be.

Research does show that children who grow up in homes with lower parent responsiveness meet their developmental delays later and develop slower cognitively...

And it's not hard to understand why single parent homes might have lower parental responsiveness.

People love to point fingers at single parents in shame instead of exploring the true causes of the issue.

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My single mother...went back to school got a degree, worked full time and still had time to decorate the whole kitchen with learning/teaching posters to drill us while she cooked dinner.
Teaching really does start at home. Kids are always learning and picking up on everything we do.
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Originally posted by texasmami0117 texasmami0117 wrote:

My single mother...went back to school got a degree, worked full time and still had time to decorate the whole kitchen with learning/teaching posters to drill us while she cooked dinner.





Teaching really does start at home. Kids are always learning and picking up on everything we do.


Aww that's a cool idea lol.
Kill two birds with one stone
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Originally posted by maysay1 maysay1 wrote:

Originally posted by Bunnyahh Bunnyahh wrote:

Originally posted by ms_wonderland ms_wonderland wrote:

Originally posted by Bunnyahh Bunnyahh wrote:

Originally posted by ms_wonderland ms_wonderland wrote:

Originally posted by Bunnyahh Bunnyahh wrote:

when a white child is in 1st grade & a black child is in 1st grade, who is the smarter child?


The smarter child is the one that is smarter.
which is.........
 

I think you are missing my point


I am missing the point entirely
   my point is they are both at the starting point of their education.  Neither one has yet to "fall" behind due to familial, social, or economical factors which may play into their stagnation later in life

Actually, first grade they're already behind.

Studies show that preschool children of higher income have a vocabulary that is on average larger and more complex (like 5-10 larger) than preschool children of lower income. And studies show that those same children of higher income have vocabs larger and more complex than the parents of the low income children.

Add issues of in-utero stress and health, stress, bad nutrition, environmental factors (pollution, danger, fear, domestic violence, mental health, insecure attachment, etc.). 

The playing field is never level and most children in poverty are already wayyyyyy far behind compared to their peers with higher incomes.
well goddam!!Shocked
 
@ jones & msW, the mandatory starting point is 1st grade, but I see what yall are saying.  Learning DOES start in the home, as pointed out by Maysay above
 
@ Samone, yes ur right.  That's what I meant.  They dropped the expectations for us cuz in their mind, not enough of us are as smart as the other races
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either parents give a damn or they don't

either they take the time, they don't have the time, or don't feel they need to do anything

that part is simple to identify

it is the why that we need to focus on
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and not for nothing, I have seen the way some parents speak, they see nothing wrong with it.  The kids pick it up, they see nothing wrong with it.  wash, rinse, repeat.
 
If nobody is there to correct you, you'll continue to do the wrong thing
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