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i remember when it was not cool to buy products made in taiwan.  the quality was considered cheap.
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Originally posted by stardaqueenb23 stardaqueenb23 wrote:

Originally posted by ThoughtCouture ThoughtCouture wrote:

nancyboo that was back when the rich actually built factories here...

Back in the day corporations would be ashamed to outsource entire divisions and had no issue paying livable wages to employees with benefits and pensions. Now that stigma the is lifted we are here.

right.. thats why I was surprised why anyone in their right mind would 've voted for RawMoney..
These corporations dont give a shyt about their workers. The goal of big business is to generate as much profit as possible for share holders... not to hire people. 

These same greed obsessed CEO's live Nowhere. Their country is Money and Nations are meaningless. They live in hidden private stateless countrysides bathing in privilege where they send their kids to private schools in gated communities with little to no connection to the outside world.

Blaming the poor is way to easy. 
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Originally posted by stardaqueenb23 stardaqueenb23 wrote:

While we are worried about EBT Goldman Sachs is trading their govt bail out money and making record profits. The Waltons are micro targeting small business areas to build Walmarts.


I think it's perfectly valid to be worried about both.

And honestly, if we can't figure out a way to get mobilized and fix the "small" things like waste in a food program, then we clearly aren't going to be able to do it for the big things.

But I'm pretty much a hippie socialist at heart anyway so the stuff I want is never going to happen in the US.
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There will never ever be 100% foolproof programs.

But the SNAP program is working hard at being effective and efficient .
There are studies and analysis of the program to ensure that it is operately smoothly.
There are countless studies on the error rate , overpayment rate and etc.
And it's doing ok.
If y'all talking about making the program better fine

But even that facility mentioned in the OP has financial cons.


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maysay but the fact that the focus is on pennies doesn't make good common sense to me.  that in itself is a waste of resources...imo.  nah...let's focus on the big chips...
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im all for democratic socialism..
People need help...


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Originally posted by jonesable jonesable wrote:

There will never ever be 100% foolproof programs.

But the SNAP program is working hard at being effective and efficient .
There are studies and analysis of the program to ensure that it is operately smoothly.
There are countless studies on the error rate , overpayment rate and etc.
And it's doing ok.
If y'all talking about making the program better fine

But even that facility mentioned in the OP has financial cons.
 
i'm for continuous improvement as well...but some of this is not aimed at improvement at all...it's about something else...
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Originally posted by ThoughtCouture ThoughtCouture wrote:

maysay but the fact that the focus is on pennies doesn't make good common sense to me.  that in itself is a waste of resources...imo.  nah...let's focus on the big chips...


To me, every penny counts. Especially if that money could be used to give one more family the food assistance they need.

People were mad as hell here when Governor Brown told some state workers they had to return their ipads because they didn't need them. On the one hand, you could say why worry about 400$? But on the other hand, whether it's 400 dollars or 400 million dollars, waste is waste.


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But it takes more than a penny to hunt that penny down

You still have to weigh the difference of recognizing and accepting waste vs using more man power and other resources to stop it
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Originally posted by maysay1 maysay1 wrote:

Originally posted by ThoughtCouture ThoughtCouture wrote:

maysay but the fact that the focus is on pennies doesn't make good common sense to me.  that in itself is a waste of resources...imo.  nah...let's focus on the big chips...


To me, every penny counts. Especially if that money could be used to give one more family the food assistance they need.

People were mad as hell here when Governor Brown told some state workers they had to return their ipads because they didn't need them. On the one hand, you could say why worry about 400$? But on the other hand, whether it's 400 dollars or 400 million dollars, waste is waste.


 
 
well...as a person who deals with analyzing HUMONGOUS volumes of data on a day in and day out basis, you cannot pop a tic tac into a whales mouth and think it is going to make a difference in it's funky azz breath...
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