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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Jan 16 2013 at 9:28pm
Originally posted by maysay1 maysay1 wrote:

Originally posted by Junior Jr Junior Jr wrote:

Originally posted by maysay1 maysay1 wrote:

The student loan system as it is currently operated is just one more way to increase the number of wage slaves who can never get ahead while the 1% continues to rake in the profits hand over fist. They're just like subprime mortgages and payday loans and health insurance.

no one held a gun to their heads and told them to go to a very expensive school and take up a non-STEM major. ppl need to stop placing the entire blame on institutions and look at themselves

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Very true. I'm all for personal responsibility. But, I also recognize that the system is set up in a certain way...and the people who set it up did it that way so that they can continue to make a profit.

They're all in on it...the schools themselves (and not just for-profit schools like phoenix...it's private and public non-profit schools as well), the government, and the loan companies. It's all a business and when it comes to business, the consumer is not the one that's meant to come out ahead.

Also, these same people are now spinning the "well you should've just gone into STEM (or IT) and then you'd be employed" fantasy. Yes it's true they have lower unemployment rates but the picture isn't nearly as rosy as they'd have you believe.



The way the financial aid system and schools period is set up is horrible as hell IMO so you can't fully even blame them person. Especially when you have poor students who, halfway through the school year, get tricked out of funds they were told they would get so they end up not even getting as much FA and/or scholarships as they were promised.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Jan 16 2013 at 9:31pm
Originally posted by Finesseful Finesseful wrote:

They should take away fin aid so people don't riot once they find out
how they blew 50-100,000 grand on their education & still can't find
a decent job all because of some fake ass dream they've been sold by our backwards ass system.

The issue is the dream is not going anywhere. Taking away the means to achieve the dream at a subsidized cost does not improve the problem.Folks are still going to find a way to fund the "American dream" to their detriment I think more focus on preparing students for the realities of college and the workforce is needed. Courses in high school about borrowing and personal finance should be mandatory. Teaching kids about the financial aid and loan systems as well as focusing on math and science programs in high school and teaching kids about careers in their markets is what is needed.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Jan 16 2013 at 9:31pm
Originally posted by Gkisses Gkisses wrote:

Originally posted by Finesseful Finesseful wrote:

They should take away fin aid so people don't riot once they find out how they blew 50-100,000 grand on their education & still can't find a decent job all because of some fake ass dream they've been sold by our backwards ass system.


FA doesnt always mean its a loan...lol would be a lack luster riot of u just got grants. Theres more to succeeding after college than just getting a degree. In reality the degree is for show ...college is more about networking and making connections more than anything imo. If you are willing to go the extra mile be it relocating or working ur way up to ur dream job u are more likey to have a better outcome.


More people have loans than grants because every person who doesn't live in squalor makes too much money.(from what I see)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Jan 16 2013 at 9:32pm
Originally posted by Finesseful Finesseful wrote:

All of these schools are for profit. Tuition goes up every year without fail & folks are taking out loan after loan. I would even go so far as to say the govt will eventually start creating debtors prisons again.


Yup yup. Endowment funds invested in the same companies that are committing banking fraud. Buildings built and salaries paid from funds from donors who make their money from those same companies.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Jan 16 2013 at 9:36pm
How do we tell people what to major in without over-saturating the job market at some point down the line?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Jan 16 2013 at 9:36pm
Originally posted by maysay1 maysay1 wrote:


Originally posted by Finesseful Finesseful wrote:

All of these schools are for profit. Tuition goes up every year without fail & folks are taking out loan after loan. I would even go so far as to say the govt will eventually start creating debtors prisons again.


Yup yup. Endowment funds invested in the same companies that are committing banking fraud. Buildings built and salaries paid from funds from donors who make their money from those same companies.
This is sadly too true these days.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Jan 16 2013 at 9:40pm
I dont agree with trying to tell someone what to major in to begin with. I do believe people should do their research to see if there is actually a profit and/or any real need for what they look to study to ensure they will be able to even find a job once they finish school. However, you can't tell someone what they SHOULD major in because people will do what works for them.

People will decide to do what they want to do regardless though even if it means throwing away thousands on a major that will probably get them nowhere.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Jan 16 2013 at 9:43pm
Originally posted by SamoneLenior SamoneLenior wrote:

Originally posted by Finesseful Finesseful wrote:

How do we tell people what to major in without over-saturating the job market at some point down the line?


everyone will not do well in a stem major


Yeah that was my next thing. Not to try to cut ppl down, but alot of people don't have the mental capacity to become engineers & doctors. Most importantly many don't have the passion either. It ain't a smart/dumb situation but everybody cant do that kinda sh*t. Just like everybody can't be a football or basketball star.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Jan 16 2013 at 9:47pm
I just saw that somebody made an EBT app for smartphones for 1.50+. I lol'd.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Jan 16 2013 at 9:51pm
Originally posted by SamoneLenior SamoneLenior wrote:

Originally posted by Finesseful Finesseful wrote:

Originally posted by SamoneLenior SamoneLenior wrote:

Originally posted by Finesseful Finesseful wrote:

How do we tell people what to major in without over-saturating the job market at some point down the line?


everyone will not do well in a stem major


Yeah that was my next thing. Not to try to cut ppl down, but alot of people don't have the mental capacity to become engineers & doctors. Most importantly many don't have the passion either. It ain't a smart/dumb situation but everybody cant do that kinda sh*t. Just like everybody can't be a football or basketball star.


I agree

This is the truth. I can point my finger at quite a few people I work with who absolutely hate their job. Aside from the long hours, constant time on the road and way from family, the level of danger associated with the work, the harsh environment (seriously - there are coyotes on the launch pad Confused), constant designing, re-designing, and re-re-designing, engineering takes quite a bit of finesse to succeed. You have to have the personality for it. 

People should major in what they like and hope that that same industry is lucrative in their location.
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