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Originally posted by noneyons noneyons wrote:

good points ladies. 

if rachel can understand/comprehend when standard english is spoken to her (without someone translating for her), it only stands to reason that she could speak it IF she chose to. i don't buy that whole, 'she doesn't know any better' business. its a whole lot deeper than that. 
Stern Smile  I'd like to delve into this, but I have to go now.  maybe I'll pm you tomorrowBig smile
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Originally posted by kfoxx1998 kfoxx1998 wrote:

UK ppl - what is it called when someone white speaks a certain way that tells other whites that they are from a certain class maybe.  My ears distiguish one that is very proper and one that sounds kinda "hood".  Do you guys know what I mean.  On SNL they do this skit where the queen speaks very proper but when everyone leaves the room there is a switch to a grimy sounding vernacular.   That thing is hilariousLOL




like "my fair lady"?

yeah. that's pretty prevalent in the appalachian region. you got ppl that speak the dialect and some that speak standard english
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Throwing out one more thing here.  Remember when blck people were uneasy about Crump because of the way he speaks.  Same thing happened all over again here.  We got distracted by our OWN vernacular and then add his slow speech pattern and I guess a little lisp, they were judging him negatively.  I kept saying that man is very smart, get past your own hangups and focus.
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my avi's from the matrix (i think reloaded). nona gaye and harold perineau (sp?) 

one of my favorite trilogiesHeart
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Originally posted by kfoxx1998 kfoxx1998 wrote:

lol Diane - they call us ignorant for the way we speak but we are fluent in at least two languages it seems.  Then you add languages we learned in "school" (Spanish for me) we're up to three by the end of hs.  Boom bishes!

We're bilingual yes. LOL English isn't the easiest language to learn. Some of the local Educators want Jamaican Patois to be taught in schools and other want ESL i really beleive the ESL would help the sitation a lot. The same challenges found in the AA community are the same ones out here. Speaking "proper"= oohh you think you better than people/you are not real etc etc

Just this week I gave a customer some info she came back and said she got it all wrong even though i thought she Understood me. She said it was due to the language barrier. She said i speak Acrylic English I nearly died! I asked what she meant she repeated it, it could have been that she was trying to say the Queen's English (but Jamaican's have a knack for corrupting words] Maybe she meant it was polished (acrylic) i dunno.LOL
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Originally posted by kfoxx1998 kfoxx1998 wrote:

Throwing out one more thing here.  Remember when blck people were uneasy about Crump because of the way he speaks.  Same thing happened all over again here.  We got distracted by our OWN vernacular and then add his slow speech pattern and I guess a little lisp, they were judging him negatively.  I kept saying that man is very smart, get past your own hangups and focus.
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I don't think black American English should be dismissed.

I have so any different speaking voices and dialects.

American English, black American English, Spanglish and Spanish...I'm multilingual
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Yes reloaded - that was the smexy one.  Revolutions and the Original were all mind-fckn onlyHeart

One of the only trilogies you could watch for the first time today and think it was a current movie.  Can't believe the franchise is almost 15yrs old.  BravoClap
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American English isn't easy to learn at all.

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Originally posted by noneyons noneyons wrote:

good points ladies. 

if rachel can understand/comprehend when standard english is spoken to her (without someone translating for her), it only stands to reason that she could speak it IF she chose to. i don't buy that whole, 'she doesn't know any better' business. its a whole lot deeper than that. 

Not necessarily. When i was in Martinique s well as my time spent in school studying I could kind of understand what the people/ I understood what classmates/teachers were saying but when it came to speaking I was a MUTE. I can read it now (although much much less) but I can't write it at all. I need to take classes for another language(s), I;ve been putting it of for years SMDH


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