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Topic: Is There Anything Wrong With Passing for Black?
Posted By: tatee
Subject: Is There Anything Wrong With Passing for Black?
Date Posted: Jun 11 2014 at 11:27am

Is There Anything Wrong With Passing for Black?

Dear Race Manners:

I have curly dark hair and am of Indian and Caucasian descent. I have a really diverse group of friends, and because of my hair and my skin tone (a deep tan/brown), I find that people often assume I’m black. I feel awkward correcting them, so I just go with it. Is that wrong? A black friend of mine gets irritated when I don’t correct people, but it’s not like I am telling anyone I’m black. They’re just making assumptions. Passing Problems



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Posted By: Sang Froid
Date Posted: Jun 11 2014 at 11:39am
I sense some lies.


Posted By: carolina cutie
Date Posted: Jun 11 2014 at 11:39am
Yes. She needs to learn how to correct people who make ass-umptions about her ethnicity and KIM.LOL


Posted By: Katrenia
Date Posted: Jun 11 2014 at 11:50am
I think someone has lied to her because she really looks black.


Posted By: Alias_Avi
Date Posted: Jun 11 2014 at 12:18pm
I wonder if Rachel Roy passed for Black


Posted By: Gkisses
Date Posted: Jun 11 2014 at 12:27pm
Lol@ the generic pic used...

Why do ppl feel more concerned about another person's feelings when youre correcting them about their preconceptions about you. It makes no sense to care that much about protecting the feelings of the ignorant.


Posted By: rickysrose
Date Posted: Jun 11 2014 at 12:29pm
I don't think the persons picture is in the article, one pic is the author, the other a stock image

Hmm I would clarify when important, random strangers don't need an explanation and might not care if they don't have to ask

But for people you deal with, disclose. But most don't care about the distinction. Black skin=AA

Ie. No matter how I explain that I don't know about soul food because I'm from the Caribbean and Canada, they think I ought to anyway and I'm trying to act special.

I tried to make grits once but I ended up with thick cornmeal porridge LOL

I'm rambling, I'm on pain meds Cry


Posted By: rell85
Date Posted: Jun 11 2014 at 12:46pm
Yes but sad people come up with things on their own.


Posted By: naturesgift
Date Posted: Jun 11 2014 at 12:58pm
who cares about this?


Posted By: thewonderfulwa
Date Posted: Jun 11 2014 at 1:25pm
I encountered this with a associate of mine explains often that she is Panamanian but no one knows or cares when you are sitting amongst a group of black people many might assume it but why feel need to say something???
So know people ask her if she doesn't like people and she doesn't understand WHY.


Posted By: mizzsandra00
Date Posted: Jun 11 2014 at 2:25pm
Originally posted by Sang Froid Sang Froid wrote:

I sense some lies.


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Posted By: Jess
Date Posted: Jun 11 2014 at 2:42pm
Originally posted by Alias_Avi Alias_Avi wrote:

I wonder if Rachel Roy passed for Black
Oh my. I thought she was black without a doubt.


Posted By: callmeDEva
Date Posted: Jun 11 2014 at 2:55pm
I personally wouldn't care..my best friend is multiracial and just tells people she's black. She always has.

However my college roommate would tell people her ethnicity based on who she was talking to. If it was a guy questioning her "exotic" looks, she would ramble off all these different races. On st. Patricks day, she's 1/4 Irish. But when she's around all black people, it's "oh yeah I'm just black." That would annoy me.


Posted By: ThoughtCouture
Date Posted: Jun 11 2014 at 2:56pm
this is a non issue for me...


Posted By: Journey94
Date Posted: Jun 11 2014 at 3:10pm
Hmmm I doubt they think she's black because of her skin tone. I want to see her features. I actually read a few years ago that a lot of "mulattos" as they called them back then passed for American Indian instead of claiming their African roots. They couldn't pass as white because they looked too ethnic.

It's just hard to believe since people very well know that Indians are called "brown" people so skin tone would be irrelevant since those of African descent & Asian descent come in many shades. Same range of skin tones but different phenotypes.


Posted By: creole booty
Date Posted: Jun 11 2014 at 3:32pm
As long as she's not ratchet, I'm ok with it. If u look black, u r black in my book. Likewise if u look white, u r white.


Posted By: liesnalibis
Date Posted: Jun 11 2014 at 4:02pm
Originally posted by Sang Froid Sang Froid wrote:

I sense some lies.

This. I want a picture.

I've never seen a person look black that wasn't black. You can be black and not look black, but not the other way around.


Posted By: HowardAlumAKA
Date Posted: Jun 11 2014 at 5:46pm
I dont think she knows her roots.


one of my friends had no idea she had an Asian background. She would tell people she was half asian and half black but both her parents were black. She had the chinky eyes and the silky hair but her skin was dark. Her father was in and out of her life so she never got to meet his side of the family.  Years later he passed and when she went to his funeral  it was nothing but asians there. Turns out his mother is Cambodian. Her father was the only one with a black father, the rest of her aunts and uncles were full Cambodian. 


Posted By: f8dagrate
Date Posted: Jun 11 2014 at 7:44pm
Originally posted by liesnalibis liesnalibis wrote:

Originally posted by Sang Froid Sang Froid wrote:

I sense some lies.


This. I want a picture.

I've never seen a person look black that wasn't black. You can be black and not look black, but not the other way around.


Rita Ora


Posted By: Journey94
Date Posted: Jun 11 2014 at 8:16pm
Originally posted by f8dagrate f8dagrate wrote:

Originally posted by liesnalibis liesnalibis wrote:

Originally posted by Sang Froid Sang Froid wrote:

I sense some lies.


This. I want a picture.

I've never seen a person look black that wasn't black. You can be black and not look black, but not the other way around.


Rita Ora



She isn't "non black", their African roots are not that far back no matter how they try to hide it. There were African slaves in Albania. So the person you replied to is still correct. She looks black because she has black blood. Nobody that has 0 "black blood" looks black.


They are called " dark or ethnic whites" for a reason, they have mixed ancestry but obviously the larger percentage is Caucasian/White or whatever you wanna call it.


Posted By: Sang Froid
Date Posted: Jun 12 2014 at 6:06am
White and Indian with curly hair and looks black.
Yea....I can't get a picture of this in my head. 


Posted By: Blac1Chyna
Date Posted: Jun 12 2014 at 8:21am
if you look black enough that even black people assume you're black, you need to shake your family tree cuz lucy got some splainin to do


Posted By: Jess
Date Posted: Jun 12 2014 at 8:28am
Originally posted by HowardAlumAKA HowardAlumAKA wrote:

I dont think she knows her roots.


one of my friends had no idea she had an Asian background. She would tell people she was half asian and half black but both her parents were black. She had the chinky eyes and the silky hair but her skin was dark. Her father was in and out of her life so she never got to meet his side of the family.  Years later he passed and when she went to his funeral  it was nothing but asians there. Turns out his mother is Cambodian. Her father was the only one with a black father, the rest of her aunts and uncles were full Cambodian. 
Confused
Her mom didn't know the father of her child was half Asian?
She would tell people she was half Asian even though she didn't have any idea if she had an Asian background?
I'm confused. Did you mean she was unaware that she had such a huge Cambodian family?


Posted By: Jess
Date Posted: Jun 12 2014 at 8:28am
Originally posted by CherryBlossom CherryBlossom wrote:

so we claiming rita ora now? lol...she's a real caucasian (caucasian proper not the meaning it has now)


It's just her nose.


Posted By: JulieGianni
Date Posted: Jun 12 2014 at 9:26am
Originally posted by Journey94 Journey94 wrote:

Originally posted by f8dagrate f8dagrate wrote:

Originally posted by liesnalibis liesnalibis wrote:

Originally posted by Sang Froid Sang Froid wrote:

I sense some lies.


This. I want a picture.

I've never seen a person look black that wasn't black. You can be black and not look black, but not the other way around.


Rita Ora



She isn't "non black", their African roots are not that far back no matter how they try to hide it. There were African slaves in Albania. So the person you replied to is still correct. She looks black because she has black blood. Nobody that has 0 "black blood" looks black.


They are called " dark or ethnic whites" for a reason, they have mixed ancestry but obviously the larger percentage is Caucasian/White or whatever you wanna call it.

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Posted By: JulieGianni
Date Posted: Jun 12 2014 at 9:27am
Originally posted by Jess Jess wrote:

Originally posted by Alias_Avi Alias_Avi wrote:

I wonder if Rachel Roy passed for Black
Oh my. I thought she was black without a doubt.

She is


Posted By: petiteone29
Date Posted: Jun 12 2014 at 10:47am
I wouldn't want to be called something that i'm not either. Nothing wrong with that. But she does look black.


Posted By: Lilaca
Date Posted: Jun 12 2014 at 10:49am
Originally posted by CherryBlossom CherryBlossom wrote:

so we claiming rita ora now? lol...she's a real caucasian (caucasian proper not the meaning it has now)





NEVER that is coonblasphemy NO just NO


Posted By: Lilaca
Date Posted: Jun 12 2014 at 10:51am
Originally posted by JulieGianni JulieGianni wrote:

Originally posted by Jess Jess wrote:

Originally posted by Alias_Avi Alias_Avi wrote:

I wonder if Rachel Roy passed for Black
Oh my. I thought she was black without a doubt.

She is
She is half indian half white


Posted By: ms_wonderland
Date Posted: Jun 12 2014 at 11:26am
i don't even have an opinion on this.  I hope the confused girl isn't thinking too much about this...


Posted By: femmemichelle
Date Posted: Jun 12 2014 at 11:34am
How do you pass for black? You either are or you aren't. The only negative I can see is the privilege that person would receive for looking "less black" by people in our own community..cuz they'd still be a niqqa to the rest of the world, but would be elevated in the black community.


Posted By: petiteone29
Date Posted: Jun 12 2014 at 11:41am
I think that she feels she would receive backlash from the aa community if she denies being black because she looks black. I don't think she is purposely trying to pass for black. She just doesn't correct folks when they assume she is black.


Posted By: JulieGianni
Date Posted: Jun 12 2014 at 12:06pm
Originally posted by Lilaca Lilaca wrote:

Originally posted by JulieGianni JulieGianni wrote:

Originally posted by Jess Jess wrote:

Originally posted by Alias_Avi Alias_Avi wrote:

I wonder if Rachel Roy passed for Black
Oh my. I thought she was black without a doubt.

She is
She is half indian half white

I read that her father was "Dutch born".

You can be a black Jamaican and still be "English born" provided you were born before, what, 1962?


Posted By: JulieGianni
Date Posted: Jun 12 2014 at 12:08pm
Originally posted by CherryBlossom CherryBlossom wrote:

so we claiming rita ora now? lol...she's a real caucasian (caucasian proper not the meaning it has now)






That "Caucasian" term means nothing in relation to whiteness in modern times.  Your racial identifiers are grossly outdated. 


Posted By: Wildfire
Date Posted: Jun 12 2014 at 12:12pm
how is this "passing" for black if she isn't purposefully going around telling people she's black?

why does she think somebody cares?


this foolishness






Posted By: rickysrose
Date Posted: Jun 12 2014 at 12:23pm
many south Indians have dark skin and 3c/4a hair

This is a random pic of a south Indian couple getting married, many are much darker







Posted By: keepgrowing
Date Posted: Jun 12 2014 at 1:05pm
There's this doctor I know that looks black, but he is Indian. He says he uses it to his advantage when it comes to black patients because they trust him more and give him more info. He looks like pharrell a little bit. 


Posted By: Lilaca
Date Posted: Jun 12 2014 at 1:25pm
Originally posted by CherryBlossom CherryBlossom wrote:

LOLI was being facetious lilaca

...I did come across her pic on a tumblr focused on famous black girls..must not have met many people from the balkansDead


scust!
LOL


Posted By: Lilaca
Date Posted: Jun 12 2014 at 1:28pm
Originally posted by JulieGianni JulieGianni wrote:

Originally posted by Lilaca Lilaca wrote:

Originally posted by JulieGianni JulieGianni wrote:

Originally posted by Jess Jess wrote:

Originally posted by Alias_Avi Alias_Avi wrote:

I wonder if Rachel Roy passed for Black
Oh my. I thought she was black without a doubt.

She is
She is half indian half white

I read that her father was "Dutch born".

You can be a black Jamaican and still be "English born" provided you were born before, what, 1962?
*Googles* i thought one of her parents were dutch... i am british but not called 'English' even though i am born over here, we are generally referred to 'afro-caribs, west indians, black british caribs, black british africans. Never just English. I'd assume if her dutch parent was black they'd be called 'black dutch' or something. LOL


Posted By: Lilaca
Date Posted: Jun 12 2014 at 1:31pm
Originally posted by keepgrowing keepgrowing wrote:

There's this doctor I know that looks black, but he is Indian. He says he uses it to his advantage when it comes to black patients because they trust him more and give him more info. He looks like pharrell a little bit. 
Don't excite him (pharrell) 


Posted By: Lilaca
Date Posted: Jun 12 2014 at 1:32pm
Rachel Roy was born on January 15, 1974 in  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California" rel="nofollow - California . She was raised with her brother  http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rajendra_Roy&action=edit&redlink=1" rel="nofollow - Rajendra Roy , now the Chief Film Curator of the  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Museum_of_Modern_Art" rel="nofollow - Museum of Modern Art  in  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York" rel="nofollow - New York . She is of mixed racial ancestry: her mother is  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_people" rel="nofollow - Dutch  and her father is Indian.

Roy grew up in  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California" rel="nofollow - California , and attended  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seaside_High_School_%28California%29" rel="nofollow - Seaside High School  along the  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monterey_Peninsula" rel="nofollow - Monterey Peninsula  in Northern California. She attended  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbia_Union_College" rel="nofollow - Columbia Union College  and  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_Adventist_University" rel="nofollow - Washington Adventist University  in  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Takoma_Park,_Maryland" rel="nofollow - Takoma Park, Maryland , majoring in  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_Arts" rel="nofollow - Liberal Arts . Roy graduated in 1996. After graduation, she moved to New York to continue her work in retail, as well as her work as a stylist.

Roy has two daughters with  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damon_Dash" rel="nofollow - Damon Dash : Ava, born December 7, 1999 and Tallulah, born May 14, 2008. She and Dash were married from 2005 to 2009. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rachel_Roy#cite_note-1" rel="nofollow - [1]  In 2011, there was speculation that she and  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dwight_Freeney" rel="nofollow - Dwight Freeney  were dating. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rachel_Roy#cite_note-Clutch_Magazine-2" rel="nofollow - [2]



Posted By: goodm3
Date Posted: Jun 12 2014 at 1:44pm
Originally posted by keepgrowing keepgrowing wrote:

There's this doctor I know that looks black, but he is Indian. He says he uses it to his advantage when it comes to black patients because they trust him more and give him more info. He looks like pharrell a little bit. 

My last doctor was dark skinned Indian....

....i didn't think he was black though I mean when your name is Amit Patel...who was he fooling?

..but in general I do trust "doctors of color" more... 




Posted By: keepgrowing
Date Posted: Jun 12 2014 at 1:50pm
Originally posted by goodm3 goodm3 wrote:

Originally posted by keepgrowing keepgrowing wrote:

There's this doctor I know that looks black, but he is Indian. He says he uses it to his advantage when it comes to black patients because they trust him more and give him more info. He looks like pharrell a little bit. 

My last doctor was dark skinned Indian....

....i didn't think he was black though I mean when your name is Amit Patel...who was he fooling?

..but in general I do trust "doctors of color" more... 



I work with a lot of dark skin Indians, but he looked like a black man. He is an ER physician.

ETA: I think it is also because he is bald. With hair, he can't sit with us.


Posted By: keepgrowing
Date Posted: Jun 12 2014 at 1:52pm
Originally posted by Lilaca Lilaca wrote:

Originally posted by keepgrowing keepgrowing wrote:

There's this doctor I know that looks black, but he is Indian. He says he uses it to his advantage when it comes to black patients because they trust him more and give him more info. He looks like pharrell a little bit. 
Don't excite him (pharrell) 

LOLLOL right?

On the other-hand, this confirms Pharrell's blackness even more since this Indian man is passing for black by looking like Pharrell. 


Posted By: Lilaca
Date Posted: Jun 12 2014 at 2:04pm
Originally posted by keepgrowing keepgrowing wrote:

Originally posted by Lilaca Lilaca wrote:

Originally posted by keepgrowing keepgrowing wrote:

There's this doctor I know that looks black, but he is Indian. He says he uses it to his advantage when it comes to black patients because they trust him more and give him more info. He looks like pharrell a little bit. 
Don't excite him (pharrell) 

LOLLOL right?

On the other-hand, this confirms Pharrell's blackness even more since this Indian man is passing for black by looking like Pharrell. 
Lawd, Don't give him nightmaresLOL


Posted By: HowardAlumAKA
Date Posted: Jun 12 2014 at 7:24pm
Originally posted by Jess Jess wrote:

Originally posted by HowardAlumAKA HowardAlumAKA wrote:

I dont think she knows her roots.


one of my friends had no idea she had an Asian background. She would tell people she was half asian and half black but both her parents were black. She had the chinky eyes and the silky hair but her skin was dark. Her father was in and out of her life so she never got to meet his side of the family.  Years later he passed and when she went to his funeral  it was nothing but asians there. Turns out his mother is Cambodian. Her father was the only one with a black father, the rest of her aunts and uncles were full Cambodian. 
Confused
Her mom didn't know the father of her child was half Asian?
She would tell people she was half Asian even though she didn't have any idea if she had an Asian background?
I'm confused. Did you mean she was unaware that she had such a huge Cambodian family?




No. Her mother was not aware. Im assuming she was either a one night stand or the father just didnt want anything to do with her after getting her pregnant. She did tell me she recalls getting a DNA tested when she was 9.

She was unaware of being Asian at that time, but she looks Asian and black, so she would just claim it for the hell of it before finding out about her Cambodian family.


Posted By: Chantal34
Date Posted: Jun 12 2014 at 9:33pm
Originally posted by keepgrowing keepgrowing wrote:

Originally posted by goodm3 goodm3 wrote:

Originally posted by keepgrowing keepgrowing wrote:

There's this doctor I know that looks black, but he is Indian. He says he uses it to his advantage when it comes to black patients because they trust him more and give him more info. He looks like pharrell a little bit. 


My last doctor was dark skinned Indian....

....i didn't think he was black though I mean when your name is Amit Patel...who was he fooling?

..but in general I do trust "doctors of color" more... 




I work with a lot of dark skin Indians, but he looked like a black man. He is an ER physician.

ETA: I think it is also because he is bald. With hair, he can't sit with us.







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