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Topic: Women learning 2 defend themselves from rape? Nah!
Posted By: Az~Maverick
Subject: Women learning 2 defend themselves from rape? Nah!
Date Posted: Jun 10 2014 at 10:57am
....is what the reaction was to Miss Nevada's answer during the pageant about sexual assaults at college campuses Dead




Miss Nevada, Nia Sanchez, was crowned Miss USA on Sunday night. During the pageant, Sanchez, who has a fourth-degree black belt in taekwondo, was asked a question about sexual assaults on college campuses. Sanchez suggested that women get training to learn how to defend themselves.

Guess what happened next:


The  http://twitter.com/search?q=%23YesAllWomen" rel="nofollow - #YesAllWomen  crowd are going nuts that the winner supports self defense. Haha  http://twitter.com/search?q=%23MissUSA" rel="nofollow - #MissUSA — 
Mitch Behna (@MitchBehna)  http://twitter.com/#!/MitchBehna/status/475863686502821888" rel="nofollow - June 09, 2014

For many, yes, the suggestion that women learn to defend themselves was a ridiculous idea, and it even constituted “victim blaming”:


How did she win after that awful and offensive answer? Idiot— 
Cait Cremeens (@CaitCremeens)  http://twitter.com/#!/CaitCremeens/status/475834451201499137" rel="nofollow - June 09, 2014


I'm sorry, but women shouldn't need to take self defense classes to protect themselves from rape  http://twitter.com/search?q=%23MissUSA" rel="nofollow - #MissUSA — 
Peter Simon (@PeterSimon12)  http://twitter.com/#!/PeterSimon12/status/475840173872148481" rel="nofollow - June 09, 2014


Let's hope Nevada uses her media tour to reiterate that teaching girls self defense is NOT the best way to protect against assault  http://twitter.com/search?q=%23MissUSA" rel="nofollow - #MissUSA — 
Mandy Velez (@mandy_velez)  http://twitter.com/#!/mandy_velez/status/475836060493037568" rel="nofollow - June 09, 2014


Miss Nevada, who just reinforced victim-blaming rape culture to millions of viewers, is crowned  http://twitter.com/search?q=%23MissUSA" rel="nofollow - #MissUSA  2014.— 
šīrīn ✺ šəfīʿ (@shereenTshafi)  http://twitter.com/#!/shereenTshafi/status/475834545124950016" rel="nofollow - June 09, 2014


Miss Nevada was asked about rape at colleges and answered that women need to learn to defend themselves… OR MEN COULD JUST NOT RAPE.— 
Anna Garcia (@a_mariagarica)  http://twitter.com/#!/a_mariagarica/status/475833515758866432" rel="nofollow - June 09, 2014


Not happy w/ Miss Nevada's answer that to stop rape we should teach women to defend themselves…Why don't we teach men to not rape?— 
Kelsey Bemus (@KelseyBemus)  http://twitter.com/#!/KelseyBemus/status/475832941461786625" rel="nofollow - June 09, 2014


Miss Nevada described how individuals need to protect themselves from rape, instead of teaching others not to rape. Stop the victim blaming.— 
Haley Ploucha (@hallepalouka)  http://twitter.com/#!/hallepalouka/status/475831285290905600" rel="nofollow - June 09, 2014


Miss Nevada saying rape can be prevented by women learning self defense and being "confident" 😒😒😒— 
haben (@Whatshabbennin)  http://twitter.com/#!/Whatshabbennin/status/475831159193341952" rel="nofollow - June 09, 2014


Miss Nevada👎
Sick of hearing "women need to learn selfdefense from sexual violence"
We need a culture we don't have to defend ourselves from— 
Colleen Gibbons (@GibbonsColleen)  http://twitter.com/#!/GibbonsColleen/status/475829474811187200" rel="nofollow - June 09, 2014


Women shouldn't need to learn to protect themselves against rape  http://twitter.com/search?q=%23missnevada" rel="nofollow - #missnevada educate and respect yourself as a woman  http://twitter.com/search?q=%23rapeculture" rel="nofollow - #rapeculture — 
Anna Beth West (@annabethwest)  http://twitter.com/#!/annabethwest/status/475833577611866112" rel="nofollow - June 09, 2014


I get that the college sexual assault problem can't be solved in 30 secs but still icky to pretend like self defense is the answer.  http://twitter.com/search?q=%23MissUSA" rel="nofollow - #MissUSA — 
Elisa Benson (@elisabenson)  http://twitter.com/#!/elisabenson/status/475829677148631040" rel="nofollow - June 09, 2014


@ https://twitter.com/hayley_lady" rel="nofollow - hayley_lady  What she is doing is promoting the idea of a woman taking control of their own life.— 
Hooray Beerz (@HoorayBeerz1)  http://twitter.com/#!/HoorayBeerz1/status/475852596151083008" rel="nofollow - June 09, 2014


@ https://twitter.com/HoorayBeerz1" rel="nofollow - HoorayBeerz1  Maybe that was her intention, but she should've noted that a lack of self-defense is not the reason behind rape.— 
Hayley Johnson (@hayley_lady)  http://twitter.com/#!/hayley_lady/status/475852864582348800" rel="nofollow - June 09, 2014


Miss Nevada saying women should learn self defense to prevent rape/sexual assault…👌 k.  http://twitter.com/search?q=%23yourejokingright" rel="nofollow - #yourejokingright — 
Emily Cowart (@cowartemily)  http://twitter.com/#!/cowartemily/status/475830654836695040" rel="nofollow - June 09, 2014


Miss Nevada's answer is my problem with the way people look at the issue of sexual violence, it's not just about self defense  http://twitter.com/search?q=%23MissUSA" rel="nofollow - #MissUSA — 
Yamini Bhandari (@YamBhands)  http://twitter.com/#!/YamBhands/status/475833019396521984" rel="nofollow - June 09, 2014


Miss Nevada might be gorgeous, but needs to realize teaching self defense to women isn't the solution for ending sexual assault  http://twitter.com/search?q=%23YesAllWomen" rel="nofollow - #YesAllWomen — 
Elisabeth Jasina (@jasinae)  http://twitter.com/#!/jasinae/status/475830216502554624" rel="nofollow - June 09, 2014


Miss Iowa says today's youth are narcissistic followed by Miss Nevada who wants to end rape with self defense classes Really? Sick  http://twitter.com/search?q=%23MissUSA" rel="nofollow - #MissUSA — 
Bergen N. Baucom (@BergenNBaucom)  http://twitter.com/#!/BergenNBaucom/status/475829975934042113" rel="nofollow - June 09, 2014


Really Miss Nevada? We should combat rape with self defense? Rape culture wins again 😒— 
Meaghan Miller (@MeaghanAwesome)  http://twitter.com/#!/MeaghanAwesome/status/475829786536079360" rel="nofollow - June 09, 2014


Hey Miss Nevada- how about instead of woman learning to protect themselves, men learn to not rape women?— 
Cait Cremeens (@CaitCremeens)  http://twitter.com/#!/CaitCremeens/status/475829316681338881" rel="nofollow - June 09, 2014


No, Miss Nevada. The solution to rape is not that all women should have black belts. Thanks though.  http://twitter.com/search?q=%23nottheproblem" rel="nofollow - #nottheproblem   http://twitter.com/search?q=%23missedthepoint" rel="nofollow - #missedthepoint   http://twitter.com/search?q=%23MissUSA" rel="nofollow - #MissUSA — 
Ashley Ramsey Hannum (@ashleyrramsey)  http://twitter.com/#!/ashleyrramsey/status/475829207516188674" rel="nofollow - June 09, 2014


Miss Nevada: How is it a woman's responsibility to learn to protect herself from rape?  http://twitter.com/search?q=%23MissUSA2014" rel="nofollow - #MissUSA2014   http://twitter.com/search?q=%23MissUSA" rel="nofollow - #MissUSA   http://twitter.com/search?q=%23getaburkatoo" rel="nofollow - #getaburkatoo — 
Stef (@stefawilson)  http://twitter.com/#!/stefawilson/status/475844583663083520" rel="nofollow - June 09, 2014

Self-defense training seems to make more sense than  http://twitchy.com/2013/02/19/university-stands-by-tips-for-women-to-make-themselves-less-attractive-victims-provides-context/" rel="nofollow - certain other ridiculous methods  that have been suggested, but apparently many disagree.




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Posted By: JasmineE02
Date Posted: Jun 10 2014 at 11:06am
Women in the military are sexually assaulted.  I think they know how to fight. Ermm


Posted By: india100
Date Posted: Jun 10 2014 at 11:18am
People are crazy . smh


Posted By: newdiva1
Date Posted: Jun 10 2014 at 11:33am
I see no problem with her answer. yes teach the boys not to rape but what we gone do in the mean time? why would anybody be mad at a woman knowing something on how to fight off an attack with trained knowledge? having a chance to not have to go through the type of attack that's going to scare her more than fighting a dude off?

@Jasmine. So u sayin' don't bother just take it should u be attacked?


Posted By: JasmineE02
Date Posted: Jun 10 2014 at 11:34am
I'm saying that it's often more complicated than just knowing how to defend yourself.  


Posted By: rickysrose
Date Posted: Jun 10 2014 at 11:35am
Has there ever been a suggestion, program, initiative to prevent rapists?




Posted By: newdiva1
Date Posted: Jun 10 2014 at 11:36am
^^^and I can agree with that. it is more than self defense. It's a long process that even if started to today you're still gonna have women getting attacked until society "changes". It suspicious to me that folks don't want women to know anything about defending themselves. that's the way this is coming off.


eta: ^^^^ was for jasmine.


Posted By: JasmineE02
Date Posted: Jun 10 2014 at 11:38am
Yep!  Various bars have signs up about what consent looks like and what rape is.  They're basically saying don't be that creeper who does x, y, and z to get sex.


Posted By: babelipsss
Date Posted: Jun 10 2014 at 11:39am
Miss Nevada is a 4th degree black belt. I am pretty sure self defense was going to be somewhere in her answer no matter what the question. Beauty queens don't put a lot of thought into the questions.


Posted By: JasmineE02
Date Posted: Jun 10 2014 at 11:41am
Originally posted by newdiva1 newdiva1 wrote:

^^^and I can agree with that. it is more than self defense. It's a long process that even if started to today you're still gonna have women getting attacked until society "changes". It suspicious to me that folks don't want women to know anything about defending themselves. that's the way this is coming off.


eta: ^^^^ was for jasmine.

When you start making suggestions for what women should be doing to prevent sexual assault, when she doesn't do those things, the blame often falls for her.  Why were you wearing that?  Why were you drinking? You were wearing crazy high heels and couldn't get away...That's why people get annoyed with these suggestions.  


Posted By: tatee
Date Posted: Jun 10 2014 at 11:42am
theres a whole segment of the population that is just addicted to being angry and will look for any means to get their fix.


Posted By: rickysrose
Date Posted: Jun 10 2014 at 11:42am
The adverse reaction isn't because women shouldn't defend themselves 

It's that it seems we always focus so much on the effect, rather than the cause




Posted By: JasmineE02
Date Posted: Jun 10 2014 at 11:43am
Originally posted by rickysrose rickysrose wrote:

The adverse reaction isn't because women shouldn't defend themselves 

It's that it seems we always focus so much on the effect, rather than the cause



Exactly this.  


Posted By: rickysrose
Date Posted: Jun 10 2014 at 11:44am
MMA boxers know how to fight in all kinds of ways

But someone always loses right?

Learning to fight isn't the foolproof solution it seems

You training in the gym vs someone that is well practiced, well planned and determined to rape you and not go to jail...

Cops, soldiers, prof fighters get taken down all the time 




Posted By: Az~Maverick
Date Posted: Jun 10 2014 at 11:49am
Having a chance is better than no chance at all. And carrying firearms wouldn't hurt either.


Posted By: _ConcreteRose_
Date Posted: Jun 10 2014 at 11:49am
Theres a difference between if they asked what a single women can do to protect herself and what a college campus can do to protect everyone. IDK what one was asked, but I feel her answer would have been ok for the former but troubling for the latter.


Posted By: sexyandfamous
Date Posted: Jun 10 2014 at 11:49am
I get why people are offended with her answer, but hey, I'd rather know how to defend myself then expect that all men are respectful of women.



Posted By: Journey94
Date Posted: Jun 10 2014 at 11:49am
That would accomplish nothing


Posted By: JasmineE02
Date Posted: Jun 10 2014 at 11:52am

‘Don't Be That Guy' Posters Hit Vancouver Bars

The Huffington Post B.C.  |  Posted:   |  Updated: 07/04/2013 7:41 pm EDT

The Vancouver Police Department are hoping that the relaunch of the " http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2013/04/22/dont-be-that-guy-calgary-posters_n_3133586.html" rel="nofollow - Don't Be That Guy " campaign will drive home the message that “sex without consent is sexual assault.”

Police hope the attention-grabbing images – first seen in a 2011 campaign – will influence the behaviour of men aged 19-25 to “Don’t Be That Guy.”

One poster shows a woman passed out on a bed with a man unzipping his pants nearby, paired with the text, “ http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2012/12/01/edmonton-sexual-assault-awareness-campaign-dont-be-that-guy_n_2224228.html" rel="nofollow - It’s not sex… when she’s passed out. ”

“This is a really serious problem in our city,” said Wendy Potter from Sexual Assault Services at B.C. Women’s Hospital during a press conference Thursday.

“At our program we see about 300 victims of sexual assault a year, and about 40 of those victims are coming to us with histories of being drugged and sexually assaulted,” Potter said.

Police announced a three-pronged strategy to curb alcohol and drugs-facilitated sexual abuse: posters in entertainment-district bars, training bar staff to spot potential victims, and street-patrol officers to identify vulnerable victims among crowds.

The campaign’s end goal is “to reduce violence against women in the City of Vancouver,” said police Sgt. Richard Rabinovitch at the press conference.

According to the VPD, the "Don't Be That Guy" campaign has attracted the attention of police departments from across Canada, the United States, and Europe. In 201, Vancouver police credited the posters with a  http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/british-columbia/dont-be-that-guy-ad-campaign-cuts-vancouver-sex-assaults-by-10-per-cent-in-2011/article1359241/" rel="nofollow - 10 per cent reduction in reported sex assault cases , The Globe and Mail reported.



Posted By: Journey94
Date Posted: Jun 10 2014 at 11:53am
Originally posted by rickysrose rickysrose wrote:

MMA boxers know how to fight in all kinds of ways

But someone always loses right?

Learning to fight isn't the foolproof solution it seems

You training in the gym vs someone that is well practiced, well planned and determined to rape you and not go to jail...

Cops, soldiers, prof fighters get taken down all the time 





Just as teaching a class about not raping, molesting, killing and stealing isn't foolproof.


Posted By: thewonderfulwa
Date Posted: Jun 10 2014 at 11:56am
I don't see what was wrong with the comment either people do things to protect themselves doesn't mean that you will not get hurt it just makes you feel safe.


Posted By: rickysrose
Date Posted: Jun 10 2014 at 11:59am
the backlash is coming from adding another item on the guilt trip list

If you've been raped or get raped
- you didn't fight hard enough or train enough?  Did you take self defense classes?

It sends an insulting message

Just like what were you wearing?   Were you by yourself?   Did you lead him on? Why? Why? Why?

Like you didn't do enough to control this sick deranged ass hole that preys on people for a living




Posted By: JasmineE02
Date Posted: Jun 10 2014 at 12:04pm
I think it's really just frustrating that the onus is always on the victim.  People do take a lot of steps to prevent rape.  I know I wear flats when I go out so I can run.  I travel in groups.  I watch how much alcohol I drink.  If we're talking systematic changes, it really comes down to respect and learning about consent.  Even RAINN talks about prevention.   The problem is we almost ALWAYS talk about what the victim can do.  One article even talked about cutting your hair short, so the offender has less to grab.  Dead


Posted By: rell85
Date Posted: Jun 10 2014 at 12:06pm
No women shouldn't have to prepare for rape but if it was to happen they could protect themselves.


Posted By: newdiva1
Date Posted: Jun 10 2014 at 12:07pm
well then...how come we can't be mad at the question rather than her answer? that is if the question was "what can women do..."



Posted By: JasmineE02
Date Posted: Jun 10 2014 at 12:07pm
We can be...


Posted By: newdiva1
Date Posted: Jun 10 2014 at 12:08pm
so I read the question and to me it reads like "what can women do" not as "what can society do". IMO.


Posted By: JasmineE02
Date Posted: Jun 10 2014 at 12:11pm
Women can continue to hope their friends, family, and acquaintances don't rape them.  That's 2/3 of rape anyway. 


Posted By: newdiva1
Date Posted: Jun 10 2014 at 12:11pm
OT: I find it interesting that these ladies are wearing what we would have called heaux shoes 5-10 years ago. I was looking at the swimsuit fotos and the platform on their shoes is crazy.


Posted By: newdiva1
Date Posted: Jun 10 2014 at 12:12pm
welp...I guess there ain't nothing women can do then. except teach their boys. and that's going to take generations.   *sighs*


Posted By: OoDles O
Date Posted: Jun 10 2014 at 12:14pm
I think the bigger criticism is that her answer was just the typical rhetoric on a national stage.


Posted By: india100
Date Posted: Jun 10 2014 at 12:16pm

We enroll India in self defense classes at the age of 5 . My daughter can kick like a football player . Our classes will continue over the summer break . Target and walmart need to do better .



Posted By: JasmineE02
Date Posted: Jun 10 2014 at 12:16pm
It sucks.  I think women do a lot of try to prevent being assaulted.  It doesn't solve the problem though.  We're not the problem.  Just like there's not a lot black people can do to stop racism from white people.  We can just steel ourselves against the bullsh*t and support each other.  


Posted By: nitabug
Date Posted: Jun 10 2014 at 12:18pm
Originally posted by JasmineE02 JasmineE02 wrote:

Women in the military are sexually assaulted.  I think they know how to fight. Ermm
exactly.


Posted By: maysay1
Date Posted: Jun 10 2014 at 12:28pm
I think since her mom says she was raped in an alleyway by a stranger  that in her mind she's only saying what she wish her mother could have done.

The problem is, most rapes are not like what you see on Law n Order SVU. They're usually committed by people you know, people who are in authority over you, or involve some kind of intoxication. Which means knowing self-defense will do jack squat to help you.

And having taken a self-defense course, man do you know how tired you get after fighting for just a few minutes? It's not realistic to expect that to truly help you. Now a taser would help. Maybe women should lobby for rape taser laws.


Posted By: PurplePhase
Date Posted: Jun 10 2014 at 12:32pm
May, I was wondering if this was the same woman. That's probably where her mind went with that answer. 


Posted By: india100
Date Posted: Jun 10 2014 at 12:36pm
Originally posted by maysay1 maysay1 wrote:

I think since her mom says she was raped in an alleyway by a stranger  that in her mind she's only saying what she wish her mother could have done.

The problem is, most rapes are not like what you see on Law n Order SVU. They're usually committed by people you know, people who are in authority over you, or involve some kind of intoxication. Which means knowing self-defense will do jack squat to help you.

And having taken a self-defense course, man do you know how tired you get after fighting for just a few minutes? It's not realistic to expect that to truly help you. Now a taser would help. Maybe women should lobby for rape taser laws.
Self defense classes saved my life twice maysay . My energy level was never that high until the attacks . I know some women that panic and freeze up . I agree . Most rapes are not like LNO ..


Posted By: _ConcreteRose_
Date Posted: Jun 10 2014 at 12:45pm
I don't think anyone is anti self-defense class. I think mostly people are tired of this same ol answer to this question when the topic comes up. People who know self denfense get sexually assaulted all the time. Now what? If we want effective change, there needs to be an answer that addresses the root of the problem




Posted By: maysay1
Date Posted: Jun 10 2014 at 12:53pm
Originally posted by india100 india100 wrote:

Originally posted by maysay1 maysay1 wrote:

I think since her mom says she was raped in an alleyway by a stranger  that in her mind she's only saying what she wish her mother could have done.

The problem is, most rapes are not like what you see on Law n Order SVU. They're usually committed by people you know, people who are in authority over you, or involve some kind of intoxication. Which means knowing self-defense will do jack squat to help you.

And having taken a self-defense course, man do you know how tired you get after fighting for just a few minutes? It's not realistic to expect that to truly help you. Now a taser would help. Maybe women should lobby for rape taser laws.
Self defense classes saved my life twice maysay . My energy level was never that high until the attacks . I know some women that panic and freeze up . I agree . Most rapes are not like LNO ..


I'm glad it did. I think self-defense classes are great because a lot of what you learn is stuff that isn't just intuitive....plus you learn to be more aware in general...and it increases your confidence (at least it did for me). I'd rather people have more information than less. It just doesn't solve the rape problem.




Posted By: hauteshellbi
Date Posted: Jun 10 2014 at 12:55pm
I don't think it's the same contestant that was a product of rape


Posted By: india100
Date Posted: Jun 10 2014 at 1:07pm
Originally posted by _ConcreteRose_ _ConcreteRose_ wrote:

I don't think anyone is anti self-defense class. I think mostly people are tired of this same ol answer to this question when the topic comes up. People who know self denfense get sexually assaulted all the time. Now what? If we want effective change, there needs to be an answer that addresses the root of the problem


I think all rapist should go straight to prison or give the evil the death penalty . The courts allow serial rapist to reoffend until they kill in most cases . Take the ones we Know about off the streets for life to began . Until rape victims are treated fair in the system , nothing will change while we suffer . I need to leave now . Getting mad thinking about it. Not at you .Hug 


Posted By: f8dagrate
Date Posted: Jun 10 2014 at 2:54pm
Man, I need to take a self defense class and carry a little weapon. I would feel at least 10% more safer.


Posted By: newdiva1
Date Posted: Jun 10 2014 at 3:09pm
naw girl. don't do nuffin'. It ain't gone help u anyways. *shrugs* just teach your boys and pray u don't get attacked in your lifetime.


Posted By: noneyons
Date Posted: Jun 10 2014 at 3:48pm
why is this controversial? 



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