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Topic: Alarming rate of children coming from Central A.
Posted By: Spokenword
Subject: Alarming rate of children coming from Central A.
Date Posted: Jun 09 2014 at 9:23pm
Have you guys read about this... just wow? they are even looking to house some of the unaccompanied children in baltimore - turning an old social security building into shelter for 575-1200 people. 

Since Memorial Day weekend, about 1,000 women and children have been flown to Tucson from Texas, then driven by bus to Phoenix and dumped unceremoniously, weary and hungry, left to find their families scattered around the nation. Some minors will be housed at a naval base in California, and immigration officials are finding extra aircraft. The Federal Emergency Management Agency has been ordered to coordinate efforts to contain the crisis.

SAN ANTONIO — This is what it looks like when an immigration system is overwhelmed by tens of thousands of women and children from Central America.

In an emergency shelter for unaccompanied children at Lackland Air Force Base here, on a concrete pad where troops would typically muster, roughly 100 teenage boys listened attentively on Thursday to a man who was preaching to them in their native Spanish.

“We know that you are sad, that you are alone,” he said. “Don’t look at the size of the problem. Look toward the solution.” He went on: “Let’s defeat this giant!”

In Phoenix, up to four buses a day arrive at the Greyhound station, each filled to capacity with women and children from El Salvador, Guatemala and Honduras. They crossed the border in Texas, but immigration officials sent them to Phoenix because the Texas facilities were overcrowded.

Some 47,000 children traveling without parents have been caught at the border since October, a 92 percent increase over last year.
The federal government does not send immigrants from Central America caught at the border back to Mexico, since that is not their homeland. Instead, they are either detained or allowed to enter the country with instructions to return for a later hearing in immigration court.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/06/us/faces-of-an-immigration-system-overwhelmed-by-women-and-children.html?_r=0

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/bs-md-children-immigrants-20140609,0,3035488.story




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Posted By: melikey
Date Posted: Jun 09 2014 at 9:41pm
That's a pretty big loophole that they can't be sent back right away.


Posted By: Benni
Date Posted: Jun 09 2014 at 9:48pm
   


Posted By: sexyandfamous
Date Posted: Jun 09 2014 at 10:27pm
That's terrible because most of them are easy prey to drug dealers, human trafickers, sex and labor slavery, and probably many other problems.
It really upsets me that people keep making kids because "i want a boy/girl" or "my religions says i should reproduce" and then are unable to care for the kid, let them go to the US to "support their family" when maybe if the idiots have used some preservative, that child wouldn't exist to suffer!

Even if the US sent them back, they would find a way to come back. I saw a documentary once showing a few kids trying to come to the US. One was taken at the border to a school, but since he was a dummy, he got bored of learning and was sent back home. Not long after (he was from Central America), he was trying to come back again.
The other boy became addicted to sniffing glue or something else, and was too high to speak on camera.


Posted By: NARSAddict
Date Posted: Jun 10 2014 at 12:21am
Originally posted by sexyandfamous sexyandfamous wrote:

That's terrible because most of them are easy prey to drug dealers, human trafickers, sex and labor slavery, and probably many other problems.
It really upsets me that people keep making kids because "i want a boy/girl" or "my religions says i should reproduce" and then are unable to care for the kid, let them go to the US to "support their family" when maybe if the idiots have used some preservative, that child wouldn't exist to suffer!

Even if the US sent them back, they would find a way to come back. I saw a documentary once showing a few kids trying to come to the US. One was taken at the border to a school, but since he was a dummy, he got bored of learning and was sent back home. Not long after (he was from Central America), he was trying to come back again.
The other boy became addicted to sniffing glue or something else, and was too high to speak on camera.



Off topic: are you a Francophone?


Posted By: Jess
Date Posted: Jun 10 2014 at 12:39am
Originally posted by sexyandfamous sexyandfamous wrote:

That's terrible because most of them are easy prey to drug dealers, human trafickers, sex and labor slavery, and probably many other problems.
It really upsets me that people keep making kids because "i want a boy/girl" or "my religions says i should reproduce" and then are unable to care for the kid, let them go to the US to "support their family" when maybe if the idiots have used some preservative, that child wouldn't exist to suffer!

Even if the US sent them back, they would find a way to come back. I saw a documentary once showing a few kids trying to come to the US. One was taken at the border to a school, but since he was a dummy, he got bored of learning and was sent back home. Not long after (he was from Central America), he was trying to come back again.
The other boy became addicted to sniffing glue or something else, and was too high to speak on camera.
Sleepy


Posted By: rickysrose
Date Posted: Jun 10 2014 at 1:59am
a dummy?


Posted By: Blac1Chyna
Date Posted: Jun 10 2014 at 3:15am
a lot of them are probably part of ms-13


Posted By: SoutherNtellect
Date Posted: Jun 10 2014 at 6:06am
Originally posted by rickysrose rickysrose wrote:

a dummy?


I stopped at preservative


Posted By: Princess_S
Date Posted: Jun 10 2014 at 10:07am
Originally posted by sexyandfamous sexyandfamous wrote:

That's terrible because most of them are easy prey to drug dealers, human trafickers, sex and labor slavery, and probably many other problems.
It really upsets me that people keep making kids because "i want a boy/girl" or "my religions says i should reproduce" and then are unable to care for the kid, let them go to the US to "support their family" when maybe if the idiots have used some preservative, that child wouldn't exist to suffer!

Even if the US sent them back, they would find a way to come back. I saw a documentary once showing a few kids trying to come to the US. One was taken at the border to a school, but since he was a dummy, he got bored of learning and was sent back home. Not long after (he was from Central America), he was trying to come back again.
The other boy became addicted to sniffing glue or something else, and was too high to speak on camera.

who thanked this? Confused


Posted By: rickysrose
Date Posted: Jun 10 2014 at 11:30am
princess there is always that ONE person LOL


Posted By: rickysrose
Date Posted: Jun 10 2014 at 11:31am
Originally posted by SoutherNtellect SoutherNtellect wrote:

Originally posted by rickysrose rickysrose wrote:

a dummy?


I stopped at preservative

I should have Confused


Posted By: ms_wonderland
Date Posted: Jun 10 2014 at 11:38am
smh...more effects of the U.S. foreign policy in central america....masters at disrupting culture and infrastructure.


Posted By: sexyandfamous
Date Posted: Jun 10 2014 at 11:39am
No, I am not a francophone, I just have met way too many immigrants since I am one myself, I am dark skin, I speak Spanish and they trust me (if I were white, no one would tell me their experience at the border, coming to the US illegally and other stuff).
People from Central and South America are usually Catholics, they are "supposed" to procreate, abortion is a crime for them, so they keep popping up kids, and yes, many of them dream of having a boy, so they keep having kids.

Someone got their feelings in a bunch because I wrote that they don't use preservative; some can't afford it, some still get pregnant after using it, but my point was: if you can't support yourself or you are barely able to provide for the child you already have, why have one/another?

That's what those people don't see. Then those kids have nothing there, come here, are easy victims to everything (could be killed at the border by Mexican cartels or be sex trafficked, etc) and to top it off, the USA has to provide for them, when the US is already stuck with hundreds of thousands of American children in the foster care system.

I laugh when Republicans talk about creating a huge wall/fence around the border... as if that would stop someone running from nothing.


Posted By: ms_wonderland
Date Posted: Jun 10 2014 at 11:42am
if the US hadn't gone on a campaign to "curb communism", help wipe out the indigenous population, and stolen land for their own business interests while giving nothing back, then the US wouldn't be stuck doing anything.  this is what they wanted...they're not upset by this because the benefits they've gotten from keeping those countries under a tight economic grip far outweighs pretending to care about what happens to these border babies.  


Posted By: sexyandfamous
Date Posted: Jun 10 2014 at 11:45am
I read once an article of a couple of Mexican illegal immigrants struggling here in LA.
The mom had one child from the 1st marriage, the dad also had one. They got married and had a girl. Then they decided that "they really wanted to have a boy". Even though they were poor, they did fertility treatments and then the woman ended up giving birth to triplets, one of them was disabled.
None of them spoke English, even the triplets who were born in the US. The dad was making only $1600 a month, and the mom said she was thankful that the government gave money to help with her disabled child.

Then the LA Times interviewed her sister who lived in some town where there were not too many Mexicans. Her sister said that "my sister thinks like the typical Mexican: God will provide for me, God will provide for me" and that's why she kept having kids and not thinking about tomorrow. Meanwhile her sister spoke English, had a good job, had house, car, and was not living off any kind of government help.

I have met many immigrants like that, who are useless, all they do is take, never give back, can't even pay taxes because they claim "I am not American, I don't have to" but they are the first one in line at the low-cost clinic, competing with poor US citizens. No wonder so many Americans hate us.


Posted By: newdiva1
Date Posted: Jun 10 2014 at 11:52am
guuuuuuurl....


Posted By: Princess_S
Date Posted: Jun 10 2014 at 5:39pm
Originally posted by rickysrose rickysrose wrote:

princess there is always that ONE person LOL
Smh...


Posted By: Blac1Chyna
Date Posted: Jun 10 2014 at 5:44pm
I'm not even mad at princess. this is no different than talking about ratchets. sh*t they ARE ratchets, just with brown skin and straight hair. they do the same things as them and have the same mentalities as them so why act all pc like you cant talk about Jose nem but you can talk about Juwaun nem


Posted By: Princess_S
Date Posted: Jun 10 2014 at 5:45pm
Originally posted by Blac1Chyna Blac1Chyna wrote:

I'm not even mad at princess SEXYANDFAMOUS. this is no different than talking about ratchets. sh*t they ARE ratchets, just with brown skin and straight hair. they do the same things as them and have the same mentalities as them so why act all pc like you cant talk about Jose nem but you can talk about Juwaun nem
Wink


Posted By: Blac1Chyna
Date Posted: Jun 10 2014 at 5:48pm
Originally posted by Princess_S Princess_S wrote:

Originally posted by Blac1Chyna Blac1Chyna wrote:

I'm not even mad at princess SEXYANDFAMOUS. this is no different than talking about ratchets. sh*t they ARE ratchets, just with brown skin and straight hair. they do the same things as them and have the same mentalities as them so why act all pc like you cant talk about Jose nem but you can talk about Juwaun nem

Wink

whoops..


Posted By: rickysrose
Date Posted: Jun 10 2014 at 6:07pm
what's the preservative?




Posted By: aNgElIc*SoUl
Date Posted: Jun 10 2014 at 7:03pm
There's too much fukkery in this state, I need to leave.


Posted By: zolloh
Date Posted: Jun 10 2014 at 8:22pm
Originally posted by sexyandfamous sexyandfamous wrote:

That's terrible because most of them are easy prey to drug dealers, human trafickers, sex and labor slavery, and probably many other problems.
It really upsets me that people keep making kids because "i want a boy/girl" or "my religions says i should reproduce" and then are unable to care for the kid, let them go to the US to "support their family" when maybe if the idiots have used some preservative, that child wouldn't exist to suffer!

Even if the US sent them back, they would find a way to come back. I saw a documentary once showing a few kids trying to come to the US. One was taken at the border to a school, but since he was a dummy, he got bored of learning and was sent back home. Not long after (he was from Central America), he was trying to come back again.
The other boy became addicted to sniffing glue or something else, and was too high to speak on camera.

 


Posted By: sexyandfamous
Date Posted: Jun 10 2014 at 8:40pm
LOL, so people are taking their time to come in here to bash my opinion... well, at least I have one, while you people can't seem to come up with anything constructive to say about the topic or just simply state your thoughts.

When you guys come up with something to say about the topic, perhaps then you may amuse me. I really would like to know what bothered you guys so much about my posts. You are acting like those illegal immigrants respect black people....


Posted By: tatee
Date Posted: Jul 01 2014 at 7:09am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUyGevrkYtg" rel="nofollow - video



Body Found in Texas Near Border Was Guatemalan Boy

EDINBURG, Texas — An 11-year-old Guatemalan immigrant found dead in the brush near the Rio Grande was on his way to join his brother in Chicago, a South Texas sheriff said Monday.

Although hundreds of immigrants die crossing the border each year, the discovery of Gilberto Francisco Ramos Juarez’s decomposed body earlier this month illustrates the dangers unaccompanied minors face as they cross into the U.S. in record numbers.

Hidalgo County Sheriff Eddie Guerra said the boy was found near La Joya, about 20 miles west of McAllen, on June 15.

“Down here finding a decomposed body … we come across them quite often,” Guerra said. He said this was the first child immigrant his office has found since he became sheriff in April. “It’s a very dangerous journey,” he said.

More than 52,000 unaccompanied children have been apprehended entering the U.S. illegally since October, creating what President Barack Obama has called an “urgent humanitarian situation.” Most are from Central America and the vast majority have crossed into the Rio Grande Valley in southernmost Texas.

The surge in unaccompanied child immigrants has overwhelmed the Border Patrol here. The children by law must be turned over to the U.S. Health and Human Services Department within 72 hours of their arrest, but their numbers have made that difficult. Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson was scheduled to speak on that department’s efforts in McAllen later Monday.

Many of the children simply turn themselves in to the first law enforcement person they see, so Guerra said it was unusual to find a child in this more remote area.

Investigators were able to reach the boy’s brother in Chicago through a phone number found written inside the child’s belt buckle. That brother gave authorities his father’s phone number in Guatemala. With the help of the Guatemalan consulate, the father gave a sworn statement identifying the boy’s clothing, including “Angry Birds” jeans, black leather boots made in Guatemala and a white rosary around his neck.

The cause of death has not been determined, but authorities suspect heat stroke, Guerra said. An autopsy did not find signs of trauma and the pathologist estimated the body had been there for about two weeks. Until the family confirmed his age, authorities thought he was an older teenager.

The boy’s family in Huehuetenango, Chiantla, Guatemala, had last heard from him about 25 days before his body was found. At that time, he was in Reynosa, Mexico, waiting to cross the border. His father told authorities the boy was traveling with a coyote.

“He was found in an area that normally the unaccompanied minors are not crossing over,” Guerra. He said there were some homes about a quarter to a half mile away from where the body was found. “But not being familiar with the terrain I’m sure this child was just wandering aimlessly through the brush area and got lost and had no water and the elements did him in.”


http://time.com/2941683/body-texas-immigration/




Posted By: tatee
Date Posted: Jul 01 2014 at 7:11am
Originally posted by sexyandfamous sexyandfamous wrote:

LOL, so people are taking their time to come in here to bash my opinion... well, at least I have one, while you people can't seem to come up with anything constructive to say about the topic or just simply state your thoughts.

When you guys come up with something to say about the topic, perhaps then you may amuse me. I really would like to know what bothered you guys so much about my posts. You are acting like those illegal immigrants respect black people....


there was nothing wrong with what you wrote.  i enjoyed the insight.


Posted By: Bribby
Date Posted: Jul 01 2014 at 7:27am
It's so close to my city, I was just thinking yesterday how bad it's getting.
They say they just simply can't stop them all because they come in thousands.

And like they say these people coming are just bad, like in South Padre island men try to steal girls and get them into trafficking, black girls a lot


Posted By: tatee
Date Posted: Jul 01 2014 at 7:28am
Originally posted by Bribby Bribby wrote:

It's so close to my city, I was just thinking yesterday how bad it's getting.
They say they just simply can't stop them all because they come in thousands.

And like they say these people coming are just bad, like in South Padre island men try to steal girls and get them into trafficking, black girls a lot


so girls are just disappearing?


Posted By: Bribby
Date Posted: Jul 01 2014 at 7:49am
Yup go for Spring Break don't come back, that's why I'm not down for all of that. They know the girls are drunk and if they get that right one to come in the car. 
Girl's I know they definitely felt that vibe like this man wants to TAKE me.

And then it's crazy, idc if this affects you and if this has anything to do with the article but the fact the Mexican mafia is taking over all of the limes basically making the cost rise, you don't see the taco stands using limes as much they'll give you lemons, like the persian limes are reallly selling now.


Posted By: beebeexx
Date Posted: Jul 01 2014 at 8:11am
I'm still stuck on this preservative.


Posted By: Bribby
Date Posted: Jul 01 2014 at 8:18am
And you KNOW they aren't going back for that hearing.


Posted By: tatee
Date Posted: Jul 01 2014 at 8:25am
Originally posted by beebeexx beebeexx wrote:

I'm still stuck on this preservative.


Originally posted by rickysrose rickysrose wrote:

what's the preservative?



condom


Posted By: femmemuscleisback
Date Posted: Jul 01 2014 at 9:37am
Originally posted by sexyandfamous sexyandfamous wrote:

No, I am not a francophone, I just have met way too many immigrants since I am one myself, I am dark skin, I speak Spanish and they trust me (if I were white, no one would tell me their experience at the border, coming to the US illegally and other stuff).
People from Central and South America are usually Catholics, they are "supposed" to procreate, abortion is a crime for them, so they keep popping up kids, and yes, many of them dream of having a boy, so they keep having kids.

Someone got their feelings in a bunch because I wrote that they don't use preservative; some can't afford it, some still get pregnant after using it, but my point was: if you can't support yourself or you are barely able to provide for the child you already have, why have one/another?

That's what those people don't see. Then those kids have nothing there, come here, are easy victims to everything (could be killed at the border by Mexican cartels or be sex trafficked, etc) and to top it off, the USA has to provide for them, when the US is already stuck with hundreds of thousands of American children in the foster care system.

I laugh when Republicans talk about creating a huge wall/fence around the border... as if that would stop someone running from nothing.


a lot of people probably disagree with this post and others like it?  but apparently, they don't work with these immigrants.  I'm living right now in a border state.  Everything SexyAndFamous says is true.  She's not saying this to piss people off.  The only ones that take offense, just don't know.

I work with them every day as well as on-call in hospitals and clinics.  they don't seek an education.  It's not a priority.  It's about having babies.. LOTS of them.  Due to the Catholic Church. They come here for better conditions - but here's the "catch".. It's up to the US to make life better for them - the easy way.  They come over here, immediately get on welfare and get into the health care system by having children.  Their children will be cared for, as well as automatically become U.S. citizens.

What's even MORE ironic?  Many of them can't stand the african americans. They automatically assume that they are much better than we are - unless you prove that you are educated, and well-monied. They will talk about your butts like you were dirt in their language.  when they find out you speak spanish - oh well, maybe you'll get their respect.

I was working on an emergency room patient, who of course was pregnant.  The moment the "husband" walked in, he looked at me and said: "I'd like to have a spanish speaking person to work on my wife."Smile

I looked at him, and said: "oh, i'm spanish speaking"..

He started wriggling in the chair and said: "Well, i was "expecting"..

I didn't say one word, his wife and myself just kept looking at him.  His wife spoke English..

as i worked with them, he became relaxed and said: "i thought you were just the assistant "or something"..Confused  Thus, he was basically assuming i was just the person who brings the patient in.. nothing more.

What's even worse?  once they are established as american citizens - specifically the mexicans - they'll turn around and spit on the ones currently coming across the border..Confused

They have no respect for their own, - and, they sure as hell have no respect for african americans.


Posted By: bindy
Date Posted: Jul 01 2014 at 9:45am
Originally posted by femmemuscleisback femmemuscleisback wrote:

[QUOTE=sexyandfamous]
I was working on an emergency room patient, who of course was pregnant.  The moment the "husband" walked in, he looked at me and said: "I'd like to have a spanish speaking person to work on my wife."Smile

I looked at him, and said: "oh, i'm spanish speaking"..

He started wriggling in the chair and said: "Well, i was "expecting"..


The nerve.....





Posted By: sugabanana
Date Posted: Jul 01 2014 at 10:00am
Damn....I'm all for immigrants having opportunities but what make a brown person like yourself think your better than a black person? Por Favor.....splain this to me.


Posted By: naturesgift
Date Posted: Jul 01 2014 at 11:18am
This is super crazy! I have mixed feelings about this- how are these children even getting here? Like parents are like HERE walk to AMERICA! how bad are things in these countries? I think they should send them back, what are they going to do here with no resources?? They are being kept in "Kid jails" this is not right


Posted By: naturesgift
Date Posted: Jul 01 2014 at 11:21am
Originally posted by sugabanana sugabanana wrote:

Damn....I'm all for immigrants having opportunities but what make a brown person like yourself think your better than a black person? Por Favor.....splain this to me.
I feel like every immigrant population looks down on Black people and Black Americans in general, its sad but true!!!


Posted By: iliveforbhm
Date Posted: Jul 01 2014 at 11:22am
Eh, they should go back home.


Posted By: Prtybrwneye_z
Date Posted: Jul 01 2014 at 11:48am
Folks in Cali are planning to protest...

Hundreds of families caught illegally crossing the border in Texas will be flown to Border Patrol stations in Southern California in the coming days, U.S. Customs and Border Protection said.

Adults with children being held in overcrowded Border Patrol facilities in the Rio Grande Valley of Texas will be moved to Border Patrol stations in the Imperial Valley and the San Diego area, officials announced late Friday.
Border Patrol to ship detained families from Texas to California

A group of 16 travelers from Guatemala receive instructions from a Hidalgo County constable after crossing the Rio Grande near McAllen, Texas. The group spent three weeks traveling across Mexico. (Michael Robinson Chavez / Los Angeles Times)
BRIAN BENNETT contact the reporter
U.S. Immigration and Customs EnforcementU.S. Border PatrolImmigration


Posted By: ms_wonderland
Date Posted: Jul 01 2014 at 12:03pm
this is still sad, still blame America.  


Posted By: tatee
Date Posted: Jul 01 2014 at 5:28pm

No Childhood Here: Why Central American Children are Fleeing Their Homes

Over a decade before President Barack Obama described the influx of unaccompanied child migrants to the United States as an “urgent humanitarian situation requiring a unified and coordinated Federal response,” child and refugee advocates warned that children who shared experiences of years-long family separation, widespread violence in home countries, and higher rates of neglect and abuse were fleeing from South of our border in alarming numbers. Then as now, over 95 percent were from Mexico and the Central American nations of El Salvador, Guatemala, and Honduras. When these children were apprehended in the U.S., the Trafficking and Victim’s Protection Reauthorization Act (TVPRA) required agents to ask limited and straightforward abuse questions. If the child was determined to be without a parent or legal guardian, s/he had to be transferred to Office of Refugee Resettlement (ORR) care within 72 hours.

http://www.immigrationpolicy.org/sites/default/files/docs/no_childhood_here_why_central_american_children_are_fleeing_their_homes_final.pdf" rel="nofollow"> Yet, even though 8,000 to 40,000 unaccompanied child migrants were apprehended annually between 2003 and 2011, only 4,800 to 8,300 entered ORR’s care each year. A 2011 report by the Appleseed Foundation documented that most Mexican child migrants did not receive TVPRA screening and thus could not transition to ORR care. Instead, per an agreement between the Mexican and U.S. governments that Obama would like emulated among Central American countries, Mexican children were quickly deported. Nonetheless, those from indigenous areas or areas with high levels of drug violence were able to receive the “Unaccompanied Alien Child” (UAC) designation, alongside thousands from the three countries that make up the so-called Northern Triangle of Central America. In 2012, nearly 14,000 UAC entered ORR care, with 88 percent from the Northern Triangle. In 2013, over 24,000 arrived, with 93 percent from the same three nations. This year, as many as 60,000 could arrive, and while numbers from Mexico have declined, numbers from the Northern Triangle continue rising.

What drives these children to flee their homes? What causes their parents to put them and their life’s savings in the hands of smugglers? What happens if they fail to reach the U.S.? Since October 2013, with funding from a Fulbright Fellowship, I have lived in El Salvador and worked toward answering these questions through my research into the causes of child migration and the effects of child deportation (see appendix).

Based on the evidence I collected and analyzed to date, violence, extreme poverty, and family reunification play important roles in pushing kids to leave their country of origin. In particular, crime, gang threats, or violence appear to be the strongest determinants for children’s decision to emigrate. When asked why they left their home, 59 percent of Salvadoran boys and 61 percent of Salvadoran girls list one of those factors as a reason for their emigration. In some areas of El Salvador, however, extreme poverty is the most common reason why children decide to leave. This is particularly true for adolescent males, who hope to work half the day and study the other half in order to remit money to their families and help them move forward in life. In addition, one in three children cites family reunification as a primary reason for leaving home. Interestingly, over 90 percent of the children I interviewed have a family member in the US, with just over 50 percent having one or both parents there. Most referenced fear of crime and violence as the underlying motive for their decision to reunify with family now rather than two years in the past or two years in the future. Seemingly, the children and their families had decided they must leave and chose to go to where they had family, rather than chose to leave because they had family elsewhere. Essentially, if their family had been in Belize, Costa Rica, or another country, they would be going there instead.

Organized crime, gangs and violence are driving children from their homes

When asked why they left their home, 59 percent of Salvadoran boys and 61 percent of Salvadoran girls list crime, gang threats, or violence as a reason for their emigration. Whereas males most feared assault or death for not joining gangs or interacting with corrupt government officials, females most feared rape or disappearance at the hands of the same groups. While over half of Salvadoran children list more than one reason for migrating, nearly 100 list only this fear.

Of the 322 minors I interviewed, 145 have at least one gang in their neighborhood, and about half of these live in a contested gang territory. They report hearing gunshots nightly and are often afraid to walk even two or three blocks from their home since they fear crossing an always changing boundary. Those who did not note a gang presence often followed their response with “Gracias a Dios [Thank God]” or “todavía [yet]” and frequently indicated that they expect one to arrive soon. When sharing these concerns, they often mentioned either strangers arriving to where they live or criminal groups coming to their neighborhoods on an irregular basis in order to scout its potential. Three families told of their neighborhoods being taken over in exactly this manner over the past year. Another 130 said they attend a school with a nearby gang presence. This usually means that the gang either congregates in a park across the street or waits on the streets to and from the school at start and end times. One hundred attend a school with gangs inside, with marijuana or other drugs often present and school directors or teachers occasionally helping gangs recruit students. One hundred and nine have been pressured to join the gang, 22 of whom were assaulted after refusing. Seventy have quit school. While most minimize their time on the streets, saying they go only to and from school, work, or church, more than 30 said they have made themselves prisoners in their own homes; some do not even go to church. One described himself as “paralyzed with fear,” as he began crying. Another’s mom told me that he had a psychological breakdown when she tried to get him to leave the home. She had to take him to the emergency room to calm him, and the doctor recommended that she get him out of the country as soon as possible. Four families told how their children now find numerous tasks to do around the house to excuse themselves from family outings. Another told me: “people are always dying. I never feel safe.” Then, a girl stated that she felt “trapped.” She is afraid to enter other neighborhoods, and her father explained that even if the gangs do not harm her, the police or military in their neighborhood could because they “shoot [their firearms] freely, and sometimes innocent people are killed in the crossfire.”

To date, I have randomly selected at least one child’s story from each department (similar to states in the U.S.) and searched local news reports to see whether what they said could be verified. In all 14 cases, news articles supported the high crime rates they described and included names of friends and family members they mentioned as victims. For example, one girl said that her father and cousin had been killed five years apart and that three murders had taken place in her neighborhood in the past year. All three elements of her story had been reported in both La Prensa Grafica and El Diario de Hoy. Another father told me that eight murders, two of which involved children, took place in his neighborhood and the one next to it. Again, press supported his accounts.

While I believed that gang violence was primarily an urban problem before arriving to El Salvador, I have found that this violence is widespread, with children from rural and urban areas of 11 of 14 of El Salvador’s departments most likely to list this as the primary cause of their emigration. In Cuscatlán and Usulután, over 85 percent flee for this reason, and in the following departments more than 50 percent flee for this reason: La Libertad (53.8%), La Paz (64.7%), La Union (67.6%), Morazán (52.6%), San Miguel (67.6%), San Salvador (65.9%), San Vicente (61.1%), Santa Ana (58.8%), and Sonsonate (67.7%).

In rural areas, extreme poverty motivates some to seek work

The exception to this trend occurs in three of the most rural and impoverished departments in El Salvador—Ahuachapán, Cabañas, and Chalatenango. While children from these areas cite violence as their reason for leaving over 30 percent of the time, more actually cite the desire for an improved life. Over 40 percent of the children, predominantly adolescent males, hope to work half the day and study the other half in order to remit money to their families and help them move forward in life. This desire for a better life is hardly surprising, given that many of these children began working in the fields at age 12 or younger and live in large families, often surviving on less than USD $150 a month.

Only 1 in 3 children cites family reunification as a primary reason for leaving home

Over 90 percent of the children I interviewed have a family member in the U.S., with just over 50 percent having one or both parents there. Despite these high numbers, only 35 percent list reunification as a reason for their emigration, although girls and younger children are more likely to list this reason. Whenever children note a family member in the U.S., we ask them why they wish to see this person now instead of a few years ago or several years in the future. The responses to these questions more often than not referenced fear of crime and violence as the underlying motive. The children and their families had decided they must leave and chose to go where they had family, rather than chose to leave because they had family elsewhere. Essentially, they would be going to another country like Belize or Costa Rica if their family was there instead of in the U.S.

Parents and guardians typically express great distress about weighing the risks of an incredibly dangerous journey to the U.S. versus an incredibly dangerous childhood and adolescence in El Salvador. Over and over again, I have heard that “there is no childhood here,” and that “it is a crime to be young in El Salvador today.” One father said he never wanted to be away from his son, but after a string of murders in their town, he worried all the time. He felt he was being selfish to keep him here longer, especially since his mother in the U.S. has been asking for him for nearly a decade. Two single mothers shared that gangs were forcibly using their homes as passageways to escape from one neighborhood to another and to stash drugs. They believed they were targeted because no adult males lived with them, and they feared that they and their teenage sons would be arrested as gang members if they reported the events, because each knew a community member who had been. Grandparents feel they are too old to fend off gang threats for their grandchildren. One grandmother stopped working in order to be better able to protect her granddaughter at home, but she felt that the gang knew they could enter her home by force to take her granddaughter at any moment. An aunt worried that keeping her nephew put her own children at risk. In all these cases, the family decided that long-term safety in the U.S. was worth the short-term—and high—risk of migrating.

The adolescents themselves referenced a decreasing risk in migrating related to their bigger and stronger bodies and an increase in danger of staying upon reaching the age of 13. They indicated that since they were more emotionally and physically mature, the risks associated with the dangerous journey to the U.S. were less than they once were, even though they had fairly accurate understanding of what could happen to them. At the same time, they indicated that while some gangs will recruit younger children, most do not recruit intensively until adolescence. Several said they had hoped to never turn 13, and a few mothers indicated that this birthday was celebrated with great sadness. Adolescents thus felt that their risk of staying increased as they aged and would continue to be high until they entered their late twenties. They often said there was nothing here for them and frequently referenced news stories on homicides, in which most victims are in their teens and twenties. They believed that the U.S. would offer them both more opportunities and safety to take advantage of them.

Leaving their country is often a last resort

Importantly, the U.S. is not always the first option. Many move within El Salvador, and there are whole neighborhoods that have been abandoned. According to the Central American University’s Institute of Public Opinion (IUDOP) 2012 Survey, approximately 130,000 Salvadorans were forced to relocate within the country in 2012. One-third had moved previously, because often, the same threats to life re-surface. For example, one adolescent male who had been beat three times for not joining the gang in his neighborhood has already moved three times, and each time, the same gang has found him. Another adolescent male fleeing his neighborhood’s gang had even greater problems with the rival gang when he arrived to his new neighborhood, because they assumed he was already a rival member. An adolescent girl who witnessed her mom’s, brother’s and boyfriend’s murders by gang members has lived in six different parts of El Salvador—and even Guatemala—and each time, the same gang tracked her down.

Likewise, police who have asked me about my study have shared several related pieces of information. First, they are often required to move every two years because of concerns that gangs will target them for corruption or death. Second, several police and military members have sent their children to the U.S. because they feared for their lives, and the media has indeed documented increased attempts by gangs to murder these agents of the state. Third, two policemen who were threatened by gangs explicitly told me that if threatened, your only option is to flee and hope for the best within the country. They both said that if the gang decided to find you, they could, and you then needed to go abroad if you wanted to survive.

Notably, these children are not just arriving to the U.S. in search of protection. UNHCR documented an increase of 432 percent in asylum requests in the neighboring countries of Belize, Costa Rica, Nicaragua, Panama, and Mexico. Despite being one of the poorest countries in Latin America, Nicaragua alone saw an increase in asylum requests of 240 percent between 2012 and 2013.

Children and their families do not trust the Salvadoran government to help them

Children and their families do not feel the Salvadoran government can protect them. Press reports and government authorities in various agencies say that the two child protection agencies in El Salvador—the National Council for Childhood and Adolescence (CONNA) and the Salvadoran Institute for Childhood and Adolescence (ISNA)— infrequently respond to reported abuse or parental homicide. Legislation passed in 2009 makes which agency is responsible for what unclear. Neither is adequately funded nor has programs for children persecuted by gangs or for children wanting out of gangs.

There is also little confidence in the police, military, or other government agencies. Only 16 child migrants who said they had experienced insecurity reported it. The police refused to write up a report for eight of those who reported problems; six said nothing happened after they spoke to authorities, and two of the 16 who made reports said they had received increased threats. One’s accused rapist still lives next door.

Fear of authorities is well-founded. Many say gangs have sources of information among police, attorney general offices, and neighborhood residents so that, as several of them told me, “You never know who is who.” Three told stories of youth who made complaints and were then detained as suspected, rival gang members by police. Police beat one youth three times because he worked late and was accused of being a gang member since he was on the streets. Thus, because gangs and, at times, police target young people, a number of children and family members have again told me that El Salvador is “no place for children.”

Those who are returned from the U.S. face additional threats of violence

Four families I met were hoping to return to their lives in the United States. All of them had resided with their children there for more than seven years. They elected voluntary departure, and upon arriving to El Salvador, decided to start small businesses. Each of them was extorted for large amounts of money (more than $3,000 per month) within six months of opening. They believed that besides having their businesses, they also stood out because their homes were nicer, and they dressed differently. Unable to pay, and afraid to report the crime to authorities, they were fleeing. They were so afraid that they did not plan to sleep in their homes that evening after being deported from Mexico on their way to the U.S. and were instead looking for a hostel before embarking again the next day.

I also met two men in their early twenties who were fleeing with their adolescent sisters. In both cases, the brothers had received numerous threats in El Salvador and had fled to the U.S. in the previous year. Upon reaching the U.S., they tried to seek asylum. One was told inside the detention center where he was kept that since he was not “black or Muslim,” he could not do so. They both stated they were returned against their will and without every talking to a lawyer. Within days of their return, the gangs began forcibly recruiting their sisters to be “girlfriends”. Where both lived, girls who refused such advances had been kidnapped and never heard from again or found murdered, which I cross referenced with a Twitter site called Angel Desapercido. With their families, they decided to accompany their sisters to the U.S., but neither had much hope for their or their sister’s prospects of obtaining protection.

Within this context, many children report that their parents who had planned to return to El Salvador after paying for their education now fear doing so because of high violence and these kinds of stories. At least once a month, local news report the homicide of a recent deportee from the U.S., and several of the Salvadoran families I have met here indicated that they were extorted because of the remittances they receive from relatives in the U.S.

My study is taking place in El Salvador, but I visited Guatemala and Honduras in October 2013 and know over 100 UAC from each country. The initial findings presented in this piece are common in the other two nations, as is reported in aforementioned publications by KIND, UNHCR, UCCSB, and the WRC. Primarily, while family reunification, poverty, and lack of opportunities are common considerations in UAC’s decision to emigrate, the most common cause of UAC’s exodus from Central America has been and continues to be increasing gang and cartel violence that disproportionately affects them as young people.

As a result, U.S. and regional response must realize that the majority of these children have significant protection needs. Thus, they should continue to receive access to the services and due process guaranteed them in the Flores Settlement Agreement and TVPRA, should have access to free legal counsel, and should await their immigration hearings with family. Whether they remain in the U.S. or return to their home countries, they must have access to services that assist them in transitioning successfully, which would ideally offer them career and educational development and health services alongside mechanisms for better participating in transnational families. Most broadly, in home countries, emphasis must shift from militaristic solutions to those that invest in economic and social development. In doing so, the influence of gangs would likely decrease as they have alternative opportunities, and fewer children will emigrate.

As a final note, I am in contact with 20 UAC who arrived to the U.S. from 2011 to 2013. They now live in different parts of the country, Guatemala, Honduras, and Mexico and have various legal statuses. Their experiences migrating to the U.S. and transitioning from that journey have deeply affected them and me. Even those who are happy in the U.S. greatly miss their home countries. If they could return and live in them safely, most would. At the same time, they are incredibly motivated and talented youth, and whichever nation gets them should make a minimal front-end investment to maximize the return we get from them.

APPENDIX: Methodology

My subjects have been local, regional, and national government officials; the press; and children and their families, who have told horror stories of violence and despair. I have met hundreds of people fleeing areas where their neighbors, family, or friends have been extorted, threatened, or killed. Many were on their way to the U.S. for the first time, but a few hoped to return to their life in the U.S. since their decision to voluntarily depart in the past year put them and their families in danger within months. 

To reach the U.S., Central Americans must traverse Mexico, and an increasing number are being detained and deported there before reaching the U.S. border. Children apprehended below Mexico City are deported by bus to San Salvador twice per week; children detained above Mexico City are deported by commercial plane to the international airport in San Luis Talpa on an as-needed basis. When I began interviewing children deported by bus in January, between five and 15 came two days per week, but between 60 and 80 now arrive each of these two days. Through June, I have completed nearly 500 interviews with these children and their waiting family members, over half of whom intended to attempt migrating again. Indeed, in paying the smuggler, each received three chances for that price that was sometimes equivalent to 20 years’ salary. For this piece, I analyzed the 322 interviews I completed between January 27 and May 1, 2014. Within that group of children, 106 (33%) were females, and 216 (67%) were males. Nearly 80 percent (78.5) were between the ages of 13 and 17. The largest numbers come from the departments of San Salvador (41), Santa Ana (34), San Miguel (34), and La Unión (34). The top four destinations in the United States were: New York (39), Los Angeles (38), Houston (38), and Virginia (31).

Through May, I went to the migrant return center on both days that children were deported. There, family members await their children for hours, and I arrived early to talk with them before the bus came. Often, I had the chance to interview the family prior to the bus’s arrival and the child after completing her migration interview. In April, I recruited and trained a Salvadoran assistant due to an increase in arrivals. During these first five months, our goal was to complete interviews with at least half of child migrants if together and with at least one quarter if alone. Starting this June, my assistant goes one day per week, and I go the other day. Our goal now is to interview a statistically representative sample based upon sex, age, and origin, and I have begun follow-up interviews by phone.

Interviews have a mixture of closed and open questions and usually take 10 to 30 minutes to complete. We begin by collecting basic demographic information like age, gender and with whom the child lives (including age and relationship of each person in the home). We then ask where they live and what living there is like, with follow up questions about gang, police and military presence, religious involvement, land ownership, and remittances. Before transitioning to where the child’s mother and father are (which is always sensitive since some have a father who was not active), in what each parent or guardian works, and where and with whom they wanted to live in the U.S., we ask if they ever lived anywhere else. If so, we want to know where and why they moved. Then, we ask if they were actively studying, what grade they last completed, how they performed academically, what type of school they attended, and if not studying, why they quit when they did. We ask a similar set of questions about if they are actively working. After that, we explicitly ask them why they wanted to leave the country, and depending on the reason(s) they give, a series of follow up questions specific to that reason. For example, if they say they fear for their life, we ask them why; whether they, their family or friends have been threatened, and if so, when the threats began and with what frequency they have occurred; how many murders or other crimes have occurred where they live; names of anyone they know who has been killed; and whether or not they reported these crimes. Finally, we ask with whom they traveled (smuggler, family, friends, other, or alone), whether they will try to reach the U.S. again, and what they hope to do in the U.S. if they arrive. At the end, we share with them possible legal options to travel to or stay in the U.S., if any exist, and answer their questions. All are given my contact information and encouraged to follow up with me if they would like. Over 30 have done so.

The interviews have four major limitations. First, we cannot complete interviews with children alone, so our questions about abuse, mistreatment, or negligence likely yield underestimates. Just 3.1 percent report migrating for this reason to us, but upward of 20 percent from El Salvador reported migrating for this reason to KIND and UNHCR in 2013. Second, because we conduct interviews at the migrant return centers, finding privacy can be difficult, and some child migrants and their families are afraid to talk openly. On more than 10 occasions, they have followed up with me by email after leaving the center to share a much more detailed history. Third, the later the busses arrive, the fewer interviews we can complete since migrants and their families are in a hurry to leave before dark. The return center is in a very bad neighborhood (Colonia Quiñonez): it was named one of 10 municipalities in El Salvador where taxis normally will not go in March, and in April, two people were murdered on the only street that can be used to exit. Finally, some speculate that migrants may tell their stories strategically since I am from the U.S. While this may occasionally occur, I have nearly a decade’s experience conducting qualitative interviews with children in the Spanish language (and more experience performing youth work with the same population). I am adept at noticing such things and note when I suspect withholding information. Importantly, when my assistant and I conducted interviews with the same children on her first two days, we received similar responses. Then, my field interviews are consistent with what other groups like KIND, UNHCR, the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops, and the Women’s Refugee Commission have reported in the last two years—rampant violence has made it unsafe to be a child in Central America. 

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Posted By: Spokenword
Date Posted: Jul 02 2014 at 4:43pm
you know,  i feel for anyone in this world, especially children who are born into these horrible living conditions. but to think that they want to have a building in baltimore designated for unaccompanied immigrant youth when they have so many children homeless in Baltimore, there just needs to be another alternative. i dont know what needs to happen, but 50,000 additional unaccompanied youth in a matter of months, and more people coming with no way to be accommodated, it is scary and sad.



Posted By: sexyandfamous
Date Posted: Jul 28 2014 at 12:42pm
Originally posted by femmemuscleisback femmemuscleisback wrote:

Originally posted by sexyandfamous sexyandfamous wrote:

No, I am not a francophone, I just have met way too many immigrants since I am one myself, I am dark skin, I speak Spanish and they trust me (if I were white, no one would tell me their experience at the border, coming to the US illegally and other stuff).
People from Central and South America are usually Catholics, they are "supposed" to procreate, abortion is a crime for them, so they keep popping up kids, and yes, many of them dream of having a boy, so they keep having kids.

Someone got their feelings in a bunch because I wrote that they don't use preservative; some can't afford it, some still get pregnant after using it, but my point was: if you can't support yourself or you are barely able to provide for the child you already have, why have one/another?

That's what those people don't see. Then those kids have nothing there, come here, are easy victims to everything (could be killed at the border by Mexican cartels or be sex trafficked, etc) and to top it off, the USA has to provide for them, when the US is already stuck with hundreds of thousands of American children in the foster care system.

I laugh when Republicans talk about creating a huge wall/fence around the border... as if that would stop someone running from nothing.


a lot of people probably disagree with this post and others like it?  but apparently, they don't work with these immigrants.  I'm living right now in a border state.  Everything SexyAndFamous says is true.  She's not saying this to piss people off.  The only ones that take offense, just don't know.

I work with them every day as well as on-call in hospitals and clinics.  they don't seek an education.  It's not a priority.  It's about having babies.. LOTS of them.  Due to the Catholic Church. They come here for better conditions - but here's the "catch".. It's up to the US to make life better for them - the easy way.  They come over here, immediately get on welfare and get into the health care system by having children.  Their children will be cared for, as well as automatically become U.S. citizens.

What's even MORE ironic?  Many of them can't stand the african americans. They automatically assume that they are much better than we are - unless you prove that you are educated, and well-monied. They will talk about your butts like you were dirt in their language.  when they find out you speak spanish - oh well, maybe you'll get their respect.

I was working on an emergency room patient, who of course was pregnant.  The moment the "husband" walked in, he looked at me and said: "I'd like to have a spanish speaking person to work on my wife."Smile

I looked at him, and said: "oh, i'm spanish speaking"..

He started wriggling in the chair and said: "Well, i was "expecting"..

I didn't say one word, his wife and myself just kept looking at him.  His wife spoke English..

as i worked with them, he became relaxed and said: "i thought you were just the assistant "or something"..Confused  Thus, he was basically assuming i was just the person who brings the patient in.. nothing more.

What's even worse?  once they are established as american citizens - specifically the mexicans - they'll turn around and spit on the ones currently coming across the border..Confused

They have no respect for their own, - and, they sure as hell have no respect for african americans.


Thanks femme. It is refreshing to see a poster who has something intelligent to say in a thread instead of going around and mocking someone's else post without giving their opinion on the subject.

I agreed with everything you said from their dislike and feelings of superiority over African Americans (after all, they compete with YOU for a job), to how they want (and often get) everything the easier you, but I have to disagree about them not caring about the immigrants arriving after them.

Here in LA, the Hispanic community is huge, and they will help their people (Mexicans, Central Americans and Spanish speakers from South America) get a job even if that means stealing someone's else job.

I can give an example involving an African American lady, Vicky. She was my dog's groomer. She worked for years at the grooming place and then one day they hired a Hispanic girl, Liliana, to replace the front desk/cashier lady who was always drunk and high.
Anyways, Liliana was great but she watched the mistakes that Vicky did: first of all, she was shy and didn't want to speak to clients, she only wanted to see the dogs; 2nd, she only wanted to come at 10am. Liliana would show up as soon as the grooming place opened (7am) and offered her grooming services until one day the guy fired Vicky and had Liliana take over.
Since Liliana was now the groomer, they technically had no cashier/front desk person, so she pushed her friend or sister, I am not sure, into working there too.
The owner sold the grooming place to someone else who is never there, and now Liliana says that she is the owner and now everyone who works there is Hispanic.

I also had MANY experiences with Hispanics trying to steal my job, some tried even in front of me, which disgusted me. I have no prejudice against Hispanics, I actually attract and have a preference for Hispanics even after I swear them off (momma's boys), so this isn't coming out of a hatred heart, it is just what I have noticed.

If it is true that in 10 or so years the majority of the US population will be Hispanic, I urge all AFrican Americans to learn Spanish, because you will lose your job, or the person hiring will be Hispanic and they will give preference to their people and use the lack of Spanish of an AA as the reason why they lost their job. 


Posted By: femmemichelle
Date Posted: Jul 28 2014 at 12:57pm
They need to send them back.


Posted By: sunshine321511
Date Posted: Jul 28 2014 at 1:16pm
I'm sorry for the kids but I know, if 100,000 dark skin Africans showed up and made it over the border this scenario would be totally different.


Posted By: sexyandfamous
Date Posted: Jul 28 2014 at 1:25pm
@LovesHim, yes the children get rights for education and medical care, but usually they are given to the Hispanics; not sure about other immigrants, because the others usually have no translators and fewer if no one from their countries working in hospitals and at the social security administration.


Posted By: sexyandfamous
Date Posted: Jul 28 2014 at 1:26pm
Originally posted by sunshine321511 sunshine321511 wrote:

I'm sorry for the kids but I know, if 100,000 dark skin Africans showed up and made it over the border this scenario would be totally different.


Africans would probably be quarantined for an undetermined period "because they may have diseases".


Posted By: ms_wonderland
Date Posted: Jul 28 2014 at 1:57pm
The only thing that bothers me about these conversations is the tone that these ppl are somehow privileged in any way. Central America has a tragic history just as every other place with people of color destroyed by colonialism and racism. It's a continuation of the decimation of native ppl, so I don't get how some ppl can be so cold hearted and dismissive about it. Not saying anyone has to be a warrior for the cause but at the end of the day white people fcked these ppl and created the animosity between ethnic groups.


Posted By: JamCaygirl
Date Posted: Jul 28 2014 at 6:11pm
I read a post and I cant remember from where saying the government will take these children into the US, due to the low birth rates in the US.

They don't want to end up like Japan out here


Posted By: naturesgift
Date Posted: Jul 28 2014 at 7:49pm
this is crazy at this point they are dropping some people off in the middle of dwntwn phx


Posted By: talia
Date Posted: Jul 28 2014 at 11:19pm
Free food, free housing, free schooling, free medical care.  Name a country in Europe that would be 
so accommodating?


iTA with the poster that said "learn spanish"....you will need it to become more marketable to meet the needs of the new population....especially if you are in nursing, social work, legal aid, or education.


Posted By: JamCaygirl
Date Posted: Jul 28 2014 at 11:20pm
assuming you are serious talia,

The Uk - this is why migrants are camped in Calais trying to cross the pond trying to get in


Posted By: talia
Date Posted: Jul 28 2014 at 11:32pm
How is it then?  I read somewhere that they rank you based on your education and that the higher the education=the more employable you are, the more points you get if you are an illegal immigrant seeking asylum.


Posted By: naturesgift
Date Posted: Jul 28 2014 at 11:44pm
this system is collapsing


Posted By: sexyandfamous
Date Posted: Jul 28 2014 at 11:55pm
Originally posted by talia talia wrote:

Free food, free housing, free schooling, free medical care.  Name a country in Europe that would be 
so accommodating?


iTA with the poster that said "learn spanish"....you will need it to become more marketable to meet the needs of the new population....especially if you are in nursing, social work, legal aid, or education.


yep, and Spanish is strongly recommended for people in the medical field.
Those people come to the US with the no intentions of giving back to this country or learn English. A tiny minority does not settle for so little and works, puts their kids through school and does not have a million kids all on welfare at adult age.

I don't know how this country will support so many immigrant children who cannot or will not tell you where they came from to be sent back and do not have family here.


Posted By: DiorShowGirl
Date Posted: Jul 29 2014 at 12:11am
they already housed over 500 of these kids here in pennsylvania...up in allentown and reading...some homes for children....




Posted By: NJHairLuv
Date Posted: Jul 29 2014 at 12:18am
I agree with the other people that say it is CRUCIAL to become fluent in speaking/writing/reading Spanish. People in border states already know the importance, but here in my region, it is now becoming difficult to be employed in jobs on any level without being highly proficient in espanol and people are getting knocked on their azz when they realize that they are no longer qualified for a lot of jobs b/c they dont speak spanish.

I hate to think of the kids that reach USA with no one to pick them up that are prey for child traffickers, sex trade and gangs like MS-13. Things are going to end up like in india, greece, brazil and mexico where there are parentless kids living under bridges, pan handling, pickpocketing tourists and sniffing glue and spray paint and prostituting themselves to survive. USA is not equipped to handle this type of crisis. We are only used to it being a 3rd world problem and we dnt have the type of laws and rules in force to handle a whole lot of young kids hardened, illiterate and homeless.


Posted By: NJHairLuv
Date Posted: Jul 29 2014 at 12:21am
we are just not ready for this...

"Other Border Patrol officials said that officers must treat minors with gang-affiliated tattoos the same as anybody else wishing to cross the border."

“If he’s a confirmed gang member in his own country, why are we letting him in here? … I’ve heard people come in and say, ‘You’re going to let me go, just like you let my mother go, just like you let my sister go. You’re going to let me go as well, and the government’s going to take care of us,’” http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/chris-cabrera/" rel="nofollow - Mr. Cabrera told the magazine.

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Posted By: NJHairLuv
Date Posted: Jul 29 2014 at 12:25am
Sorry, but I have not read the whole thread - has anyone in power (John Kerry) gotten tough with the President of Mexico to pressure him to stop this flow of illegal border crossings? Like cut off aide if they conditions in Mexico do not begin to improve? It is a human rights issue and it is clear that the President of Mexico is happy to see the poor people leave en mass.


Posted By: Alias_Avi
Date Posted: Jul 29 2014 at 12:25am
Y'all need to watch Narco Cultura on Netflix


Posted By: rickysrose
Date Posted: Jul 29 2014 at 12:29am
i think it's more crucial to assert ourselves socially and economically 

It's the perfect time

To bad we can't recapture our population numbers buy oh well




Posted By: naturesgift
Date Posted: Jul 29 2014 at 12:31am
They are not from Mexico they are from South America


Posted By: NJHairLuv
Date Posted: Jul 29 2014 at 12:45am
Originally posted by naturesgift naturesgift wrote:

They are not from Mexico they are from South America

Central America.
I just lumped Mexico into my comment though Mexico is in NA b/c of the # of smugglers and former drug traffickers bringing young children over the border right now too similar to the crisis of unchaperoned Central American children coming. All victims of organized crime and human trafficking and seen as nothing but an opportunity to make cash by the criminalsOuch


Posted By: naturesgift
Date Posted: Jul 29 2014 at 12:50am
my bad Central America


Posted By: rickysrose
Date Posted: Jul 29 2014 at 1:00am
Mexico exports almost twice as much as they import

A lot of manufacturing has shifted from China to Mexico 

Good percent of our fruits and vegetables are from there

If there was an embargo we're the ones that would feel it


Posted By: demilee27
Date Posted: Jul 29 2014 at 1:15am
The president won't send those kids back. They will stay here, get everything for free, grow up take all the jobs' get into management positions or own businesses and only hire their own kind...next time I'm voting republican...


Posted By: rickysrose
Date Posted: Jul 29 2014 at 1:31am
Careful voting republican ... they want to add us to the "clean up"


Posted By: demilee27
Date Posted: Jul 29 2014 at 1:46am
The problem is..white America has been so focused on keeping blacks under there thumb that they let the whole freaking nation get taken over by the Latin countries, especially Calif. A lot of people say that the illegal immigrants should be allowed to stay for one reason or another..I'm not against someone comming into america LEGALLY...its not fair that some immigrants can walk on in and stay and others that may be from Africa, European or Asia have to fly in and they get dead stopped at the airport...and America only approves a certain amount of visas from certain countries a year. America is THE ONLY nation that has this type of problem in this magnitude. As someone said in an earlier post...Europe ain't having this shiznit over their...the only thing they giving you free is a ticket back to where you came from....that's what they did to my husband. As a matter of fact...they stopped his azz in the airport and said it looks like he was trying to come to London and live because he had too much Luggage for just a visit


Posted By: demilee27
Date Posted: Jul 29 2014 at 1:49am
If America is letting people get away with committing an illegal crime, such as coming over to the US illegally.... then let some people out of jail for doing other crimes...why is one illegal crime OK and not another?


Posted By: ms_wonderland
Date Posted: Jul 29 2014 at 1:59am
California and other states were taken, well all of the US was. It's really not the same as immigration from across the ocean.  But I agree that the immigration bias w black nations is alive and well compared to others.  Chinese immigration is really what's crazy to me.  When it comes down to it my issue is not with illegal immigrants, it's with our own government for failing black people and Latin American countries.  I just can't go there with feeling like they need to get out of some shyt that used to belong to them...sounds like another issue going on elsewhere in the world...


Posted By: PeacefulOne
Date Posted: Jul 29 2014 at 12:39pm
50,000 is a lot of mouths to feed. I am so sick of being the foodstamp nation. We keep cutting the middle class, and making more poor, and who says they are taking jobs? Hell they want it fo free!

I realize this nation is built on immigration, but the immigrants used to WORK, work, work, until they had something. Hell, look at Ceasar Milan, he ran across the border, and when you ask him, HE WORKED TO LEARN ENGLISH, and found a marketable skill and made his money. Now they all want, no DEMAND everything for FREE!

We can't take every poor person on the planet, that's just plain stupid! Don't even get me started on the no immunization, lice covered, super TB carrying, uh no no no! Those people need to storm the castles of their own countries. Shid, US Blacks have paid with blood sweat and tears, and still don't have shid!


Posted By: eanaj5
Date Posted: Jul 29 2014 at 3:14pm
make them take their brown asses back.

We need to take care of our own first before trying to aide others

wtf it look like us going to clean up someone elses house when our own kitchen/bathroom is filthy?


Posted By: eanaj5
Date Posted: Jul 29 2014 at 3:15pm
Originally posted by PeacefulOne PeacefulOne wrote:

50,000 is a lot of mouths to feed. I am so sick of being the foodstamp nation. We keep cutting the middle class, and making more poor, and who says they are taking jobs? Hell they want it fo free!

I realize this nation is built on immigration, but the immigrants used to WORK, work, work, until they had something. Hell, look at Ceasar Milan, he ran across the border, and when you ask him, HE WORKED TO LEARN ENGLISH, and found a marketable skill and made his money. Now they all want, no DEMAND everything for FREE!

We can't take every poor person on the planet, that's just plain stupid! Don't even get me started on the no immunization, lice covered, super TB carrying, uh no no no! Those people need to storm the castles of their own countries. Shid, US Blacks have paid with blood sweat and tears, and still don't have shid!

Lamp

And we didnt even ask to come hereSleepy



Posted By: bg
Date Posted: Jul 29 2014 at 5:29pm
its entirely too easy to come to this country and leach off the system

i feel for this people but at the same time...there are many American children that need a tremendous amount of help and there doesn't seem to be enough resources for THEM

Its a lot more complicated than this though...


Posted By: JamCaygirl
Date Posted: Jul 29 2014 at 7:05pm
some of these comments make me feel uncomfortable....

People are fleeing extreme poverty in a lot of cases...

Not saying y'all should keep them, but some of the inflammatory language ain't necessary

And I blame the politicians for not properly handling this problem...


Posted By: sexyandfamous
Date Posted: Jul 29 2014 at 7:38pm
Most of them are running away from poverty, the problem is when they come here and don't bother to work. I used to be on an immigrant's forum where they discussed visas, illegal immigration, getting social security and also the immigration reform.
Most of them just wanted the green card so they could apply for financial aid at college. No real interest in studying, just getting $$. One guy was honest and said he just wanted to get welfare so he could smoke weed all day. ANother immigrant, this one from Germany, pointed out that everyone suffered when more people were on welfare. The Mexican pretty much said something like "i don't care i just want to watch cartoons all day".

The european immigrants who were illegal here or were in process of getting a green card were much more intelligent and articulated than the Hispanics one. Most of the Hispanics kept pointing out that California used to be part of Mexico, therefore, no need to learn English because this land was Spanish speaker first.

Their arguments were so sad and their goals were so low, that it was obvious that most if not all of them, just wanted to collect a check.


Posted By: JamCaygirl
Date Posted: Jul 29 2014 at 7:50pm
sexyfamous, I have no doubts that that is true... I think its a sign of society these days, people all over want something for nothing...

I guess as a child of immigrants I am torn... Now my parents never got any government handouts a day in their lives, and we were all encouraged to seek higher education as a means to better ourselves, which we did. But I feel sad when I hear some of these comments, and think back to what my parents told us they faced as immigrants to England in the 60s... Signs saying no blacks, no irish, no dogs, etc

I mean there should be a way to separate the ones who come to add to society versus those who come to leech from it.




Posted By: JamCaygirl
Date Posted: Jul 29 2014 at 7:51pm
but my parents were legal immigrants, so there is that distinction too...


Posted By: eanaj5
Date Posted: Jul 29 2014 at 7:56pm
Originally posted by JamCaygirl JamCaygirl wrote:

but my parents were legal immigrants, so there is that distinction too...

we're (well I was) speaking of the illegals...
i have no issues with legal immigrants


Posted By: Alias_Avi
Date Posted: Jul 29 2014 at 7:59pm
We gotta stop calling human beings "illegal"

undocumented is a better term


Posted By: sexyandfamous
Date Posted: Jul 29 2014 at 9:30pm
Originally posted by JamCaygirl JamCaygirl wrote:

sexyfamous, I have no doubts that that is true... I think its a sign of society these days, people all over want something for nothing...

I guess as a child of immigrants I am torn... Now my parents never got any government handouts a day in their lives, and we were all encouraged to seek higher education as a means to better ourselves, which we did. But I feel sad when I hear some of these comments, and think back to what my parents told us they faced as immigrants to England in the 60s... Signs saying no blacks, no irish, no dogs, etc

I mean there should be a way to separate the ones who come to add to society versus those who come to leech from it.




There are no signs anywhere saying no Mexicans. Immigrants from Mexico and Central America are spoiled by the USA. I am an immigrant and I had to learn English because no one bothered to learn my language to make it easier for me. I would take ESL classes and the Spanish speakers never learned a thing because they always had someone else translate for them or the teacher would translate for them, meanwhile, all the other immigrants were learning. Interestingly enough, I had classmates from Spain whom, obviously spoke Spanish, yet their English was improving 10000% when compared to the Mexicans and Central Americans. Makes one wonder why.

A way I think it could be to separate the leeches from the people thirsty to build - not get - build a better life would be to, when the immigration reform comes, request proof of paid taxes, take English oral and written tests and forbid anyone to be on welfare or request financial aid for at least 5 years. That way the ones who are serious about school, instead of complaining they can't get free money, will be thankful to have the green card and will be able to apply for jobs in order to support their education, and everyone will have to get a job to support themselves.


Posted By: ms_wonderland
Date Posted: Jul 29 2014 at 9:30pm
yeah these conversations really make black people sound like white people.  


Posted By: ms_wonderland
Date Posted: Jul 29 2014 at 9:41pm
Originally posted by JamCaygirl JamCaygirl wrote:

some of these comments make me feel uncomfortable....

People are fleeing extreme poverty in a lot of cases...

Not saying y'all should keep them, but some of the inflammatory language ain't necessary

And I blame the politicians for not properly handling this problem...

Exactly...and it makes me think there is no knowledge of what has gone on in central America by American corporations and the government.


Posted By: PeacefulOne
Date Posted: Jul 29 2014 at 9:56pm
It may be uncomfortable, I know exactly what the US government did to exacerbate the issues of these countries, and guess what? It doesn't matter! Undocumented, illegal, tomato, tomatoe, it still AGAINST the law! Let me point out that if these people were Hatians they black asses would be on the first boat back across shark infested waters. So ya'll can miss me with that argument. . . hell in 10 years these same children will be calling you negra. No doubt.


Posted By: ms_wonderland
Date Posted: Jul 29 2014 at 9:58pm
Whatever makes it justifiable.  I feel like I'm in an Arizona town hall meeting.

Whether they're here or not the government wasn't gonna give y'all sh*t extra.


Posted By: Alias_Avi
Date Posted: Jul 29 2014 at 10:03pm
When an ethnic group is the majority (or a major part) of the population in an area, then they shape the economy and thus the environment in the area; thus, the demand to speak a certain language

Spanish is the second most spoken language in America so of course America is going to cater to Spanish speakers moreso than an other language spoken

The same would be true if Haitian Creole was the second most spoken language in Amurica


Posted By: PeacefulOne
Date Posted: Jul 29 2014 at 10:09pm
Maybe not, but then I don't get anything from the gubment anyway. However, when the social security benefits get cut, and retirement age is raised to 90, and Aunt Mimi has no more medicare/medicade it will all come to full circle.

And please tell me how these people should be supported? Please tell me where the money should come from. Please offer a solution, other than what looks like a fema camp, and a bunch of children in prison? Is that better? Is that nurturing? Is that going to turn out productive Amurkin citizens? Do tell.


Posted By: JamCaygirl
Date Posted: Jul 29 2014 at 10:11pm
You have to look at what is destabilising the areas where these people are coming from... and yes the US does not have their hands clean in some regards...

But you also need to tackle what is driving them here... again, the US should not be so generous...

Its a tough one


Posted By: ms_wonderland
Date Posted: Jul 29 2014 at 10:16pm
The fema camps are no place for children, but really it's the vitriol behind the statements that perpetuates more hate in this country...just so much hypocrisy.  

What needs to happen isn't an overnight fix...but this immigration Is not overnight either it's a culmination of the dependency and choke hold the US placed on these countries by constantly destabilizing LA governments and economies...I have no idea what can be done just like I have no idea what can be done to truly improve conditions in Haiti or Africa.  I just don't care anymore about the hens coming to roost...is that the term?  Let the gov figure it out.


Posted By: PeacefulOne
Date Posted: Jul 29 2014 at 10:18pm
Originally posted by JamCaygirl JamCaygirl wrote:

You have to look at what is destabilising the areas where these people are coming from... and yes the US does not have their hands clean in some regards...

But you also need to tackle what is driving them here... again, the US should not be so generous...

Its a tough one


What is driving them here is poverty, drugs, abuse, the same issues we have not even begun to deal with in this country.

The US needs to first issue a statement in no uncertain terms: YOU WILL BE SENT BACK! Then we need to sent someone to Central America, to negotiate the return of these "refugees" Obama needs to get his head out of his ass an realize that it is not acceptable to do NOTHING!


Posted By: PeacefulOne
Date Posted: Jul 29 2014 at 10:35pm
Hey, I realize I sound like a tight ass republican man, but some of ya'll need to realize that you won't be 20 something or 30 something forever. You will work your butts off, get some measure of success, and want to have something to show for it and maybe even ~gasp~ a small measure of something to leave for your children, and grandchildren. That's where I am.

I love children, I love the planet, and I wish things were equitable everywhere, but they are not. So I have this idea that charity starts at home, one person at a time, one household at a time, in your own backyard, in your own city.

While I would love to win a billion dollar lottery and help these children, reality says we let Detroit fall, we are letting Cali go bankrupt, we are letting Florida kill black children willy-nilly, so I have a hard time getting it up for children whose mothers have no freaking sense, than to send a 6 year old hundreds of miles away, and cross her fingers that that 1 child will win the lotto, when I have been working my ass off, right here, hoping for the same result.

It's all a scratch off ticket, and some will lose. Most will lose.


Posted By: JamCaygirl
Date Posted: Jul 29 2014 at 10:46pm
Originally posted by ms_wonderland ms_wonderland wrote:

The fema camps are no place for children, but really it's the vitriol behind the statements that perpetuates more hate in this country...just so much hypocrisy.  

What needs to happen isn't an overnight fix...but this immigration Is not overnight either it's a culmination of the dependency and choke hold the US placed on these countries by constantly destabilizing LA governments and economies...I have no idea what can be done just like I have no idea what can be done to truly improve conditions in Haiti or Africa.  I just don't care anymore about the hens coming to roost...is that the term?  Let the gov figure it out.


Yup, this is what I'm thinking...

This one reason I cant get too upset about mass immigration to the UK from her former colonies... I mean the UK got rich from literally raping these countries and pillaging their riches, and that wealth has passed down from generation to generation in the UK.

Those policies from years ago have left these colonies in the shape they are in leading to the mass exodus to the UK.

You reap what you sow.

I'm not overly familiar with the US policies so cant really speak on it.


Posted By: JamCaygirl
Date Posted: Jul 29 2014 at 10:48pm
Originally posted by PeacefulOne PeacefulOne wrote:

Originally posted by JamCaygirl JamCaygirl wrote:

You have to look at what is destabilising the areas where these people are coming from... and yes the US does not have their hands clean in some regards...

But you also need to tackle what is driving them here... again, the US should not be so generous...

Its a tough one


What is driving them here is poverty, drugs, abuse, the same issues we have not even begun to deal with in this country.

The US needs to first issue a statement in no uncertain terms: YOU WILL BE SENT BACK! Then we need to sent someone to Central America, to negotiate the return of these "refugees" Obama needs to get his head out of his ass an realize that it is not acceptable to do NOTHING!


I don't think you should be taking them in, but just sending them back wont work. You also need to address the situation back where they are living, as if there is no hope for them there, they will simply turn right back around and try and come back.


Posted By: ms_wonderland
Date Posted: Jul 29 2014 at 10:51pm
I totally agree peaceful...I just lost my whole reply to you with an access denied

That's why I'm not for or against, I just understand.  We need to just focus on ourselves(as a group). And not feeling slighted by what other groups may get in aid..when I was readingalias thread on racism earlier it had a bullet point about leaders...we are so disjointed without one.  We gain momentum then a lull then have to wait until the next headline for more momentum.  We need to educate ourselves...I am an advocate for public schools because there are good ones but if we want things to really shift there should be more emphasis on private schools like BLack star in Atlanta.  We need to combine resources, but it wil l take a really strong leader to make anything happen. 

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Posted By: Alias_Avi
Date Posted: Jul 29 2014 at 10:54pm
Y'all might not care about the chickens coming home to roost but should you?

If anything happens to 'murica, Black people will be the most affected. Whites will be okay for a while as they have over 12 times the wealth we do, on average


Posted By: ms_wonderland
Date Posted: Jul 29 2014 at 11:01pm
what is really going to change?  The gov will handle this influx, it's not the biggest threat to black ppl here.  We've already been getting left behind, so maybe this is what it will take to light a fire.  More of us are in college, plenty of us are still in jail.  We have to be on the offense not the defense.


Posted By: PeacefulOne
Date Posted: Jul 30 2014 at 12:28am
Originally posted by ms_wonderland ms_wonderland wrote:

what is really going to change?  The gov will handle this influx, it's not the biggest threat to black ppl here.  We've already been getting left behind, so maybe this is what it will take to light a fire.  More of us are in college, plenty of us are still in jail.  We have to be on the offense not the defense.


see, the government will handle the influx, at the cost of those already here. and while we are left behind, we will be even further behind, because we always come in last in this country. more of us may be in college, but then guess what, the rules change mid stride, and it will mean starting at the beginning of the race. Im not trying to make this about skin color or race however, plenty of people are just keeping their head above water, people of all colors. What I'm saying is think about it, the funds for schools and teachers get diverted, to programs to care for non American people, the funds for vets get diverted to non American people, the funds for medical care for those who need help, elderly for example, get diverted. it will be a big ole mess. and what makes America different is we can speak up about it, so far we can protest. we can at least for now.


Posted By: ms_wonderland
Date Posted: Jul 30 2014 at 12:37am
that's why those of us that are actually able need to work on generational wealth and think ahead...pooling resources. no one is going to protect us if the economy crashes again either. if anyone is truly frightened for the future, and i mean frightened enough to jump into action then instead of home schooling, create private schools like the one i listed above and businsses.  there are ways to protect ourselves, but it's not going down on a large scale...
send them back, now what? we were brought here.  the latino/indigineous folks were already here.  this has never been OURS.  we were bumped up a level once they put it in writing, wooptie doo, we got our documents...but really, without them beneath us, we're still at the bottom of the totem pole, so it really matters not to me.  just more people scrambling at the bottom fighting amongst each other while those at the top sit pretty.



Posted By: sexyandfamous
Date Posted: Jul 30 2014 at 9:35am
Originally posted by Alias_Avi Alias_Avi wrote:

Y'all might not care about the chickens coming home to roost but should you?

If anything happens to 'murica, Black people will be the most affected. Whites will be okay for a while as they have over 12 times the wealth we do, on average


Whites will hire the Hispanics, not the blacks. Whites are ok because in some professions - gardeners, nannies, housekeeper, cook - Hispanics charge way less than everyone else and they are seem more submissive than blacks.



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