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Topic: how can you be religious if you cant read
Posted By: naturesgift
Subject: how can you be religious if you cant read
Date Posted: May 05 2014 at 7:00pm
or don't read! I was just looking at the Nigerian Terrorist and my first thought is there is no way they can read let alone read the Qua ran' they just seem so ignorant standing there smiling thinking they have the upper hand on somebody- Don't put Islam in a bad light (what they are doing is in the name of themselves not in the name of GOD) I think the Muslim community needs to stand up and publicly denounce these Animals...

I also thought about all these other people on a side note practicing what they think is their faith and they can't or don't even read! It' is at times extremely frustrating   



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Posted By: liesnalibis
Date Posted: May 05 2014 at 7:03pm
LMAO


Posted By: kfoxx1998
Date Posted: May 05 2014 at 7:08pm
LOL Hilarious Thread title.  Ion the answer tho.  I'm still trying to figure out how you can be religious if you CAN read. 


Posted By: ThatGurlD
Date Posted: May 05 2014 at 7:09pm
Only read the title LOLDead


Posted By: mizzsandra00
Date Posted: May 05 2014 at 7:11pm
So you saying Nigerians can't read?  Or love Allah?




Shall I sit?




Posted By: Marcelo22
Date Posted: May 05 2014 at 7:14pm
I doubt literacy rates were high when the Bible and other religious texts were first being spread to the masses


Posted By: india100
Date Posted: May 05 2014 at 7:15pm
Originally posted by kfoxx1998 kfoxx1998 wrote:

LOL Hilarious Thread title.  Ion the answer tho.  I'm still trying to figure out how you can be religious if you CAN read. 
You are banned from the topic . I miss your post . LOLLOLLOLCry Nature people can hear the word and believe . Short answer.  Smile Terriost are simply devils that use religion for evil .


Posted By: PurplePhase
Date Posted: May 05 2014 at 7:16pm
Originally posted by kfoxx1998 kfoxx1998 wrote:

LOL Hilarious Thread title.  Ion the answer tho.  I'm still trying to figure out how you can be religious if you CAN read. 


this is how I read the title.
I got all excited


Posted By: liesnalibis
Date Posted: May 05 2014 at 7:18pm
I know one thing they really need to stop forcing their backwards religion on everyone else. And before you get mad ask yourself if you would get mad if the same thing was said about Christianity. This is a sickness and the masses shouldn't have to fear one radicalized segment of society.


Posted By: Mixer
Date Posted: May 05 2014 at 7:18pm
Hey Auntie.


Posted By: JamCaygirl
Date Posted: May 05 2014 at 7:43pm
Best thread title this year....

lmao


Posted By: naturesgift
Date Posted: May 05 2014 at 7:43pm
Originally posted by Marcelo22 Marcelo22 wrote:

I doubt literacy rates were high when the Bible and other religious texts were first being spread to the masses
more than half the world can't read.. but it don't stop people from spreading false-hoods


Posted By: JoliePoufiasse
Date Posted: May 05 2014 at 7:46pm
Title doesn't make sense though. There are plenty of oral traditions in the world that have their own spirituality. Native americans had a religion that was in sync with nature, even if they didn't have the written word. Unless you're limiting this thread to the 3 monotheist religions?


Posted By: naturesgift
Date Posted: May 05 2014 at 7:52pm
The truth is that people are not practicing religion they are practicing culture, everything is in relationship to cultural context: so if your culture says FGM is GREAT then they go for it! Kidnapping girls and selling them there is NOTHING Islamic about that in NO context! so all I am saying is don't claim to be something you are not!


Posted By: mizzsandra00
Date Posted: May 05 2014 at 7:53pm
Kfoxx you caught that?


Posted By: naturesgift
Date Posted: May 05 2014 at 7:54pm
Originally posted by JoliePoufiasse JoliePoufiasse wrote:

Title doesn't make sense though. There are plenty of oral traditions in the world that have their own spirituality. Native americans had a religion that was in sync with nature, even if they didn't have the written word. Unless you're limiting this thread to the 3 monotheist religions?

I think Religion is a western concept! as you may recall native american had a lifestyle not a religion in the way we think of it as something we do in separation from the rest of our live's pray on Sunday/ Friday etc...
most people are not practicing their faith as an infusion from what I can tell and in America it is very confusing because we are influenced by all different cultures NOT just one!
But I think you are missing the point this was about the Terrorist claiming that Allah sent them to do this!!!


Posted By: kfoxx1998
Date Posted: May 05 2014 at 7:55pm
Originally posted by liesnalibis liesnalibis wrote:

I know one thing they really need to stop forcing their backwards religion on everyone else. And before you get mad ask yourself if you would get mad if the same thing was said about Christianity. This is a sickness and the masses shouldn't have to fear one radicalized segment of society.


Are you talking about Islam?


Posted By: liesnalibis
Date Posted: May 05 2014 at 7:57pm
Originally posted by kfoxx1998 kfoxx1998 wrote:

Originally posted by liesnalibis liesnalibis wrote:

I know one thing they really need to stop forcing their backwards religion on everyone else. And before you get mad ask yourself if you would get mad if the same thing was said about Christianity. This is a sickness and the masses shouldn't have to fear one radicalized segment of society.


Are you talking about Islam?

Not when I said one radicalized segment obviously. Why?


Posted By: Tbaby
Date Posted: May 05 2014 at 7:59pm
They certainly are religious extremists, you can't be denying that are you?  Religious extremists will take a simple phrase/concept/section of a belief and take off 90 degrees, if not 180.  That man in the video comes off as deranged IMO.

 I hate this!
Angry


Posted By: kfoxx1998
Date Posted: May 05 2014 at 7:59pm
Originally posted by liesnalibis liesnalibis wrote:

Originally posted by kfoxx1998 kfoxx1998 wrote:

Originally posted by liesnalibis liesnalibis wrote:

I know one thing they really need to stop forcing their backwards religion on everyone else. And before you get mad ask yourself if you would get mad if the same thing was said about Christianity. This is a sickness and the masses shouldn't have to fear one radicalized segment of society.


Are you talking about Islam?

Not when I said one radicalized segment obviously. Why?


I'm confused about the whole post TBH.  NevermindLOL


Posted By: nekamarie83
Date Posted: May 05 2014 at 8:00pm
Originally posted by JoliePoufiasse JoliePoufiasse wrote:

Title doesn't make sense though. There are plenty of oral traditions in the world that have their own spirituality. Native americans had a religion that was in sync with nature, even if they didn't have the written word. Unless you're limiting this thread to the 3 monotheist religions?
Only in one of nature's backwards threads could I come up out the damn woodwork to AGREE with Jolie.

Nature? No ma'am. SMH.


Posted By: liesnalibis
Date Posted: May 05 2014 at 8:02pm
Originally posted by mizzsandra00 mizzsandra00 wrote:

Kfoxx you caught that?

This bish at it again...


Posted By: liesnalibis
Date Posted: May 05 2014 at 8:02pm
Originally posted by kfoxx1998 kfoxx1998 wrote:

Originally posted by liesnalibis liesnalibis wrote:

Originally posted by kfoxx1998 kfoxx1998 wrote:

Originally posted by liesnalibis liesnalibis wrote:

I know one thing they really need to stop forcing their backwards religion on everyone else. And before you get mad ask yourself if you would get mad if the same thing was said about Christianity. This is a sickness and the masses shouldn't have to fear one radicalized segment of society.


Are you talking about Islam?

Not when I said one radicalized segment obviously. Why?


I'm confused about the whole post TBH.  NevermindLOL

Ok den...


Posted By: mizzsandra00
Date Posted: May 05 2014 at 8:05pm
Originally posted by liesnalibis liesnalibis wrote:

Originally posted by mizzsandra00 mizzsandra00 wrote:

Kfoxx you caught that?

This bish at it again...



You need some attention......wont get get any from me.


As I was saying.....YOU CAUGHT THAT KFOXX?





Posted By: naturesgift
Date Posted: May 05 2014 at 8:07pm
Originally posted by Tbaby Tbaby wrote:

They certainly are religious extremists, you can't be denying that are you?  Religious extremists will take a simple phrase/concept/section of a belief and take off 90 degrees, if not 180.  That man in the video comes off as deranged IMO.

 I hate this!
Angry
This what I am saying where is the proof they are Muslims!!
There is nothing about what they are doing that is supported anywhere in the holy book! And if they are saying GOD is speaking to them directly they need to prove it, otherwise they should just kill themselves and speed up their journey   


Posted By: kfoxx1998
Date Posted: May 05 2014 at 8:08pm
What the hell is going on with y'all twoLOL

Star - I legit didn't get what you were saying so I though I would ask a question.  i/a with the part about ppl not pushing religion on others but I didnt know what part 2 meant.

And where is the video somebody mentioned.

So many questionsTongue


Posted By: JoliePoufiasse
Date Posted: May 05 2014 at 8:09pm
Originally posted by naturesgift naturesgift wrote:

Originally posted by JoliePoufiasse JoliePoufiasse wrote:

Title doesn't make sense though. There are plenty of oral traditions in the world that have their own spirituality. Native americans had a religion that was in sync with nature, even if they didn't have the written word. Unless you're limiting this thread to the 3 monotheist religions?

I think Religion is a western concept! as you may recall native american had a lifestyle not a religion in the way we think of it as something we do in separation from the rest of our live's pray on Sunday/ Friday etc...
most people are not practicing their faith as an infusion from what I can tell and in America it is very confusing because we are influenced by all different cultures NOT just one!
But I think you are missing the point this was about the Terrorist claiming that Allah sent them to do this!!!


I guess it all depends how you define religion. To me, a religion is a set of spiritual beliefs. It doesn't have to be separate from the rest of our lives, that is the western way and westerners did not invent religion/spirituality. Even as monotheist religions go, Islam is not lived in separation from the rest of their lives, from the little I do know of it. It's intertwined in everything they do. The Koran has prescriptions for every aspect of life and that's the problem with it. Fanatics want to follow those prescriptions to the letter without regard to the times and context in which they were written. They favour a basic interpretation of their sacred texts. The Native Americans definitely had a religion in my mind. They had spirits and very specific beliefs even though it wasn't expressed in written form.

But anyways, I'm not missing the point of your post. I get what you're trying to say. I was actually reacting to the title alone.


Posted By: naturesgift
Date Posted: May 05 2014 at 8:11pm
Originally posted by nekamarie83 nekamarie83 wrote:

Originally posted by JoliePoufiasse JoliePoufiasse wrote:

Title doesn't make sense though. There are plenty of oral traditions in the world that have their own spirituality. Native americans had a religion that was in sync with nature, even if they didn't have the written word. Unless you're limiting this thread to the 3 monotheist religions?
Only in one of nature's backwards threads could I come up out the damn woodwork to AGREE with Jolie.

Nature? No ma'am. SMH.
please tell me you miss understood the first post! what are you trying to say? are you saying that the Nigerian terrorist are practicing Islam? And I am not going to debate you... cause there is not point! and if you think I am backwards then why bother...?


Posted By: liesnalibis
Date Posted: May 05 2014 at 8:11pm
Originally posted by mizzsandra00 mizzsandra00 wrote:

Originally posted by liesnalibis liesnalibis wrote:

Originally posted by mizzsandra00 mizzsandra00 wrote:

Kfoxx you caught that?

This bish at it again...



You need some attention......wont get get any from me.


As I was saying.....YOU CAUGHT THAT KFOXX?




Like you didn't just give me some. It's 500 feet remember now get the f*ck out my face...


Posted By: kfoxx1998
Date Posted: May 05 2014 at 8:11pm
What's up with all these damn errors??Angry



Posted By: liesnalibis
Date Posted: May 05 2014 at 8:14pm
Originally posted by kfoxx1998 kfoxx1998 wrote:

What the hell is going on with y'all twoLOL

Star - I legit didn't get what you were saying so I though I would ask a question.  i/a with the part about ppl not pushing religion on others but I didnt know what part 2 meant.

And where is the video somebody mentioned.

So many questionsTongue

kfoxx it seemed like you were trying to paint me as some sort of bigot or get the Muslim members to come after me which I thought was funny since you shaded each and every religious follower in your initial post and no one cared. I said what I said so don't look for no retractions from me.


Posted By: Tbaby
Date Posted: May 05 2014 at 8:15pm
Kfoxx I went to CNN since the OP didn't provide no lanks--an error on her part, lol

http://www.cnn.com/2014/05/05/world/africa/nigeria-abducted-girls/



Posted By: JoliePoufiasse
Date Posted: May 05 2014 at 8:17pm
Originally posted by nekamarie83 nekamarie83 wrote:

Originally posted by JoliePoufiasse JoliePoufiasse wrote:

Title doesn't make sense though. There are plenty of oral traditions in the world that have their own spirituality. Native americans had a religion that was in sync with nature, even if they didn't have the written word. Unless you're limiting this thread to the 3 monotheist religions?
Only in one of nature's backwards threads could I come up out the damn woodwork to AGREE with Jolie.

Nature? No ma'am. SMH.


LOL. I have no idea what it is that you are saying in this post. I don't get it. And do you feel that you almost NEVER agree with me most of the time? It's funny because I don't feel that way about your posts. We have butted heads in the past, for sure, but I can't even claim that I mostly disagree with your viewpoints. I've just been very vocal when I do LOL


Posted By: mizzsandra00
Date Posted: May 05 2014 at 8:17pm
I didn't know this bish name was Kfoxx too.....chile please.....500 feet from that face wouldn't be enough.


Posted By: NadiaPost
Date Posted: May 05 2014 at 8:18pm
How can Fantasia win American Idol without knowing how to read. Somethings just happen in life. You can be religious and can't read just like you can sing songs, win American Idol, get pregnant by a Tmobile employee and not know how to read the lyrics to the songs you sing. You adapt


Posted By: kfoxx1998
Date Posted: May 05 2014 at 8:21pm
I typed a whole respond that was killed by errors but Jolie I think you may have a very skewed view of Islam.  Terrorist should not represent all Muslims the same way those who bomb clinics and kill doctors and homosexuals should not represent all Christians.

Millions of Muslims roll over and finish their nap while other faithfully go to mosque.  Just like Christians they are okay with praising the lord but Allah ain't always watching and they don't necessarily want to be preached to and forced to be holy all the time. 


Posted By: liesnalibis
Date Posted: May 05 2014 at 8:22pm
Originally posted by mizzsandra00 mizzsandra00 wrote:

I didn't know this bish name was Kfoxx too.....chile please.....500 feet from that face wouldn't be enough.

^^^She gon be stalkin me til the day she die...

LOLLOLLOL

Okay, do what makes you happy. I'm not entertaining you.


Posted By: mizzsandra00
Date Posted: May 05 2014 at 8:23pm
Originally posted by liesnalibis liesnalibis wrote:

Originally posted by mizzsandra00 mizzsandra00 wrote:

I didn't know this bish name was Kfoxx too.....chile please.....500 feet from that face wouldn't be enough.

^^^She gon be stalkin me til the day she die...

LOLLOLLOL

Okay, do what makes you happy. I'm not entertaining you.

Really bish when you gon start....not entertaining me? Cause every time I post in your direct vicinity you swear Im stalking...Notice I don't address you till you quote or say my name.....even when you sneak dissing in RT I gracefully glide over your comments and life......take notes.

Bish always mad....you constipated bish? Like wtf is the problem?




Posted By: liesnalibis
Date Posted: May 05 2014 at 8:23pm
Originally posted by NadiaPost NadiaPost wrote:

How can Fantasia win American Idol without knowing how to read. Somethings just happen in life. You can be religious and can't read just like you can sing songs, win American Idol, get pregnant by a Tmobile employee and not know how to read the lyrics to the songs you sing. You adapt

LOLLOL


Posted By: mizzsandra00
Date Posted: May 05 2014 at 8:24pm
Kfoxx....now you know that was shady as hellLOLLOLLOLLOLLOLCryCryCry


Posted By: kfoxx1998
Date Posted: May 05 2014 at 8:25pm
Originally posted by liesnalibis liesnalibis wrote:

Originally posted by kfoxx1998 kfoxx1998 wrote:

What the hell is going on with y'all twoLOL

Star - I legit didn't get what you were saying so I though I would ask a question.  i/a with the part about ppl not pushing religion on others but I didnt know what part 2 meant.

And where is the video somebody mentioned.

So many questionsTongue

kfoxx it seemed like you were trying to paint me as some sort of bigot or get the Muslim members to come after me which I thought was funny since you shaded each and every religious follower in your initial post and no one cared. I said what I said so don't look for no retractions from me.


You sound paranoid.  I was really trying to understand what you were saying.  You really think I did all of that in one post?  I know you said what you said but I truly didn't understand.  I'm not gonna beg you to explain it to me and as a matter of fact I'm not going to ask you any more questions because you always think I'm coming for you.  I'm really not but since you reacted that way to me I'm done.  Its not a big deal.




Posted By: liesnalibis
Date Posted: May 05 2014 at 8:28pm
Originally posted by kfoxx1998 kfoxx1998 wrote:

Originally posted by liesnalibis liesnalibis wrote:

Originally posted by kfoxx1998 kfoxx1998 wrote:

What the hell is going on with y'all twoLOL

Star - I legit didn't get what you were saying so I though I would ask a question.  i/a with the part about ppl not pushing religion on others but I didnt know what part 2 meant.

And where is the video somebody mentioned.

So many questionsTongue

kfoxx it seemed like you were trying to paint me as some sort of bigot or get the Muslim members to come after me which I thought was funny since you shaded each and every religious follower in your initial post and no one cared. I said what I said so don't look for no retractions from me.


You sound paranoid.  I was really trying to understand what you were saying.  You really think I did all of that in one post?  I know you said what you said but I truly didn't understand.  I'm not gonna beg you to explain it to me and as a matter of fact I'm not going to ask you any more questions because you always think I'm coming for you.  I'm really not but since you reacted that way to me I'm done.  Its not a big deal.



Naw I ain't trippin...I specifically said I was talking about a small segment and you highlighted sickness and asked me if I was talking about Islam...no I ain't trippin...


Posted By: nekamarie83
Date Posted: May 05 2014 at 8:28pm
Originally posted by JoliePoufiasse JoliePoufiasse wrote:

And do you feel that you almost NEVER agree with me most of the time? It's funny because I don't feel that way about your posts. We have butted heads in the past, for sure, but I can't even claim that I mostly disagree with your viewpoints. I've just been very vocal when I do LOL
The bolded, but vice versa. As most of the interaction I've had with you (from my pov) is contrary. Not negative (as it's usually constructive-- Kim K's pregnancy aside), just contrary.

Then again, it could be skewed because I'd be more likely to remember your more vocal moments.

Damn just when I was gonna say nature was bringing people together. Never mind. Misunderstanding. Carry on.


Posted By: mizzsandra00
Date Posted: May 05 2014 at 8:29pm
Originally posted by kfoxx1998 kfoxx1998 wrote:

Originally posted by mizzsandra00 mizzsandra00 wrote:

Kfoxx....now you know that was shady as hellLOLLOLLOLLOLLOLCryCryCry


LOLunh unh.  The Torah, The Bible and the Quran are are hot mess.  Did y'all read them?  I'm for real wondering because Yahweh, Jesus, Mohammed and Abraham and nem be acting up! 


mmmmhhhhmmmm.




Posted By: JoliePoufiasse
Date Posted: May 05 2014 at 8:29pm
Originally posted by kfoxx1998 kfoxx1998 wrote:

I typed a whole respond that was killed by errors but Jolie I think you may have a very skewed view of Islam.  Terrorist should not represent all Muslims the same way those who bomb clinics and kill doctors and homosexuals should not represent all Christians.

Millions of Muslims roll over and finish their nap while other faithfully go to mosque.  Just like Christians they are okay with praising the lord but Allah ain't always watching and they don't necessarily want to be preached to and forced to be holy all the time. 


I think there is some miscommunication going on here. Where did I say that terrorist represent or should represent all muslims? I'm saying muslim terrorists are extremists just like some christians are extremists. There are extremists in just about every organized religion out there. Even Buddhists have their extremists (thinking of Myanmar). My thing is I am not against spirituality like so many people on this board, I respect it and do not disdain it. I don't like extremists of any stripe.


Posted By: kfoxx1998
Date Posted: May 05 2014 at 8:29pm
Originally posted by mizzsandra00 mizzsandra00 wrote:

Kfoxx....now you know that was shady as hellLOLLOLLOLLOLLOLCryCryCry


LOLunh unh.  The Torah, The Bible and the Quran are are hot mess.  Did y'all read them?  I'm for real wondering because Yahweh, Jesus, Mohammed and Abraham and nem be acting up! 


Posted By: JoliePoufiasse
Date Posted: May 05 2014 at 8:31pm
Originally posted by kfoxx1998 kfoxx1998 wrote:

Originally posted by mizzsandra00 mizzsandra00 wrote:

Kfoxx....now you know that was shady as hellLOLLOLLOLLOLLOLCryCryCry


LOLunh unh.  The Torah, The Bible and the Quran are are hot mess.  Did y'all read them?  I'm for real wondering because Yahweh, Jesus, Mohammed and Abraham and nem be acting up! 


There isn't a religion/spiritual belief system on earth that doesn't have some crazy in it. The problem is that you can't recognize that there is any good in it as well (I'm inferring this from previous comments you've made on this board. So if I'm wrong, do set me straight). A lot of atheists are extremists as well, in my view.


Posted By: naturesgift
Date Posted: May 05 2014 at 8:35pm
We need to start giving out awards for the most thought provoking threads! I know I am not appreciated by some but for those of you that do. I thank you!!
Some of you ladies are so controversial...


Posted By: JoliePoufiasse
Date Posted: May 05 2014 at 8:35pm
Anyway, these Boko Haram mofos are nuts, as far as I'm concerned and probably do not represent Islam too well.


Posted By: Tbaby
Date Posted: May 05 2014 at 8:37pm
this thread would be sooo much better if the posting order wasn't so out of wack.  I'm reading and going "when did such and such say that?"--only to find it 5 posts later.


Posted By: JoliePoufiasse
Date Posted: May 05 2014 at 8:37pm
Originally posted by naturesgift naturesgift wrote:

We need to start giving out awards for the most thought provoking threads! I know I am not appreciated by some but for those of you that do. I thank you!!
Some of you ladies are so controversial...


Some people dislike you on here? Didn't know this. I don't, for the record. But then again, some people dislike me too and I don't really care. It's a fine topic and there's nothing wrong with stating your opinion.


Posted By: kfoxx1998
Date Posted: May 05 2014 at 8:37pm
Originally posted by JoliePoufiasse JoliePoufiasse wrote:

Islam is not lived in separation from the rest of their lives, from the little I do know of it. It's intertwined in everything they do. The Koran has prescriptions for every aspect of life and that's the problem with it.


I was only responding to these statements.

Islam is absolutely lived in separation from the rest of their lives for the majority of Muslims
Islam in not intertwined in everything they do
The Quran, Torah and New Testament all have prescriptions for every aspect of life.  Hoes are supposed to be stoned in Christianity too but most Christians and Muslims don't actually do it or agree with it.

I was actually just trying to share details about some common misconceptions as expressed.  I studied Islam in a University setting (not in practice) but I didn't find any evidence that Islam is different overall from most other religions.  Lots of slackers like Sunday Christians. 


Posted By: kfoxx1998
Date Posted: May 05 2014 at 8:43pm
Originally posted by india100 india100 wrote:

Originally posted by kfoxx1998 kfoxx1998 wrote:

LOL Hilarious Thread title.  Ion the answer tho.  I'm still trying to figure out how you can be religious if you CAN read. 
You are banned from the topic. I miss your post . LOLLOLLOLCry Nature people can hear the word and believe . Short answer.  Smile Terriost are simply devils that use religion for evil .


Miss india why you kickin me out of the thread on the first page thoCry....LOL


Posted By: JamCaygirl
Date Posted: May 05 2014 at 8:45pm
Originally posted by JoliePoufiasse JoliePoufiasse wrote:

Originally posted by kfoxx1998 kfoxx1998 wrote:

Originally posted by mizzsandra00 mizzsandra00 wrote:

Kfoxx....now you know that was shady as hellLOLLOLLOLLOLLOLCryCryCry


LOLunh unh.  The Torah, The Bible and the Quran are are hot mess.  Did y'all read them?  I'm for real wondering because Yahweh, Jesus, Mohammed and Abraham and nem be acting up! 


There isn't a religion/spiritual belief system on earth that doesn't have some crazy in it
. The problem is that you can't recognize that there is any good in it as well (I'm inferring this from previous comments you've made on this board. So if I'm wrong, do set me straight). A lot of atheists are extremists as well, in my view.



This is because crazy people can be found everywhere... religious or not


Posted By: JoliePoufiasse
Date Posted: May 05 2014 at 8:49pm
Originally posted by kfoxx1998 kfoxx1998 wrote:

Originally posted by JoliePoufiasse JoliePoufiasse wrote:

Islam is not lived in separation from the rest of their lives, from the little I do know of it. It's intertwined in everything they do. The Koran has prescriptions for every aspect of life and that's the problem with it.


I was only responding to these statements.

Islam is absolutely lived in separation from the rest of their lives for the majority of Muslims
Islam in not intertwined in everything they do
The Quran, Torah and New Testament all have prescriptions for every aspect of life.  Hoes are supposed to be stoned in Christianity too but most Christians and Muslims don't actually do it or agree with it.

I was actually just trying to share details about some common misconceptions as expressed.  I studied Islam in a University setting (not in practice) but I didn't find any evidence that Islam is different overall from most other religions.  Lots of slackers like Sunday Christians. 


No, I did not study Islam in a university setting. But I did have a long term Muslim boyfriend and I did partially read the Koran. Actual every day muslims do incorporate certain prescriptions of the Koran and certain sets of values in their every day life. In fact, most of the non-western world has this approach towards their respective spiritual beliefs. Same thing goes with some african spiritual beliefs. Western approach to spirituality is not the end all/be all. Stoning doesn't have a damn thing to do with anything. You're thinking in extremes.


Posted By: JoliePoufiasse
Date Posted: May 05 2014 at 8:51pm
Originally posted by JamCaygirl JamCaygirl wrote:

Originally posted by JoliePoufiasse JoliePoufiasse wrote:

Originally posted by kfoxx1998 kfoxx1998 wrote:

Originally posted by mizzsandra00 mizzsandra00 wrote:

Kfoxx....now you know that was shady as hellLOLLOLLOLLOLLOLCryCryCry


LOLunh unh.  The Torah, The Bible and the Quran are are hot mess.  Did y'all read them?  I'm for real wondering because Yahweh, Jesus, Mohammed and Abraham and nem be acting up! 


There isn't a religion/spiritual belief system on earth that doesn't have some crazy in it
. The problem is that you can't recognize that there is any good in it as well (I'm inferring this from previous comments you've made on this board. So if I'm wrong, do set me straight). A lot of atheists are extremists as well, in my view.



This is because crazy people can be found everywhere... religious or not

Agreed. And religion is not exempt. Nor is religion exempt from sound moral guidance.


Posted By: iliveforbhm
Date Posted: May 05 2014 at 8:56pm
I realized most people need to be silent on issues of religion if they haven't studied religion heavily and the cultural practices of those people. It's like talking about nuclear energy when you know you haven't invested any time in it except read one book. 

Anyway, Islam does have it's violence and it's cruelty you cannot lie about that. People fight over if the new testament supersedes the old testament and etc. It's all up to interpretation. And if you never read the religion or studied it, then you really need to shut up aka Boko Haram. How can you be a religious group and never read the religious books????? You are suppose to know it by heart and in Aramaic. Foolishness, they just want their "fleshly" desires to be actualized.


Posted By: india100
Date Posted: May 05 2014 at 8:57pm
Originally posted by kfoxx1998 kfoxx1998 wrote:

Originally posted by india100 india100 wrote:

Originally posted by kfoxx1998 kfoxx1998 wrote:

LOL Hilarious Thread title.  Ion the answer tho.  I'm still trying to figure out how you can be religious if you CAN read. 
You are banned from the topic. I miss your post . LOLLOLLOLCry Nature people can hear the word and believe . Short answer.  Smile Terriost are simply devils that use religion for evil .


Miss india why you kickin me out of the thread on the first page thoCry....LOL
Because your last line made me wake up my daughter laughing . Cry You know i love me some Kfoxx . Heart 


Posted By: kfoxx1998
Date Posted: May 05 2014 at 8:59pm
Originally posted by JoliePoufiasse JoliePoufiasse wrote:


There isn't a religion/spiritual belief system on earth that doesn't have some crazy in it. The problem is that you can't recognize that there is any good in it as well (I'm inferring this from previous comments you've made on this board. So if I'm wrong, do set me straight). A lot of atheists are extremists as well, in my view.


Yeah you're kind of wrong but that's okay.  I am a very big fan of religion but knowing what I know there really is more bad.  In general it would be a lot worse if people really knew the material and followed it "religiously".  The fact that I am extremely concerned that it is often used to hurt others doesn't make me an extremist.   I think its important to be honest but I have done that over and over again in a respectful way.   I respect the religious people but I cannot respect many aspects of the belief systems because I find them both false and immoral.   IMO if Abrahamists behave according to their own books they would be allowed to be both extremely benevolent and extremely inhumane.  Certain religions allow for both.

I'm not here for all of that though.  I think the community that goes along with church, mosque and synogauge is a very good thing.  The rest, not so much.




Posted By: JoliePoufiasse
Date Posted: May 05 2014 at 9:01pm
Originally posted by nekamarie83 nekamarie83 wrote:

Originally posted by JoliePoufiasse JoliePoufiasse wrote:

And do you feel that you almost NEVER agree with me most of the time? It's funny because I don't feel that way about your posts. We have butted heads in the past, for sure, but I can't even claim that I mostly disagree with your viewpoints. I've just been very vocal when I do LOL
The bolded, but vice versa. As most of the interaction I've had with you (from my pov) is contrary. Not negative (as it's usually constructive-- Kim K's pregnancy aside), just contrary.

Then again, it could be skewed because I'd be more likely to remember your more vocal moments.

Damn just when I was gonna say nature was bringing people together. Never mind. Misunderstanding. Carry on.


The funny thing is that the vice versa part doesn't really hold true on my end. There are lots of things I agree with you on, actually. I probably just never outright co-signed and just clicked on the thanks button. But yeah, I do remember the times we butted heads. I can remember instances where I felt you were being ignorant or straight up judgmental (just being honest, not looking for a fight). I also remember instances where your statements were sound (your views on some women's issues, for instance). But you're just too tight with Afro, that alone is suspect in my mind LOL


Posted By: kfoxx1998
Date Posted: May 05 2014 at 9:04pm
Originally posted by JoliePoufiasse JoliePoufiasse wrote:



No, I did not study Islam in a university setting. But I did have a long term Muslim boyfriend and I did partially read the Koran. Actual every day muslims do incorporate certain prescriptions of the Koran and certain sets of values in their every day life. In fact, most of the non-western world has this approach towards their respective spiritual beliefs. Same thing goes with some african spiritual beliefs. Western approach to spirituality is not the end all/be all. Stoning doesn't have a damn thing to do with anything. You're thinking in extremes.


LOLI'm done Jolie.  You proved what exactly what I was saying by dating a Muslim.  Did y'all smash?  Cause that ain't allowed in Islam no wheres.

I'm speaking in extremes but you went from All Muslims, and every aspect to some do to most religions do the same to having Muslim boyfriends.  I love you because you always end up saying exactly the same thing I'm saying while arguing about it like we're saying something different LOL


Posted By: naturesgift
Date Posted: May 05 2014 at 9:04pm
cool! thanks Jolie sometimes it gets weird on here when every-time you make a thread (so and so has to put the their - two cents) because they want so bad to be seen as intelligent... so they insult you with little digs and sometimes blatant disrespect! I don't come here for that! but I try and ignore I think we need to start treating each other better


Posted By: kfoxx1998
Date Posted: May 05 2014 at 9:11pm
Originally posted by india100 india100 wrote:

Because your last line made me wake up my daughter laughing . Cry You know i love me some Kfoxx . Heart 


Heart you too ms india!  You're the only Christian who understands me and accepts me for who I amCry...LOL


Posted By: JoliePoufiasse
Date Posted: May 05 2014 at 9:14pm
Originally posted by kfoxx1998 kfoxx1998 wrote:

Originally posted by JoliePoufiasse JoliePoufiasse wrote:



No, I did not study Islam in a university setting. But I did have a long term Muslim boyfriend and I did partially read the Koran. Actual every day muslims do incorporate certain prescriptions of the Koran and certain sets of values in their every day life. In fact, most of the non-western world has this approach towards their respective spiritual beliefs. Same thing goes with some african spiritual beliefs. Western approach to spirituality is not the end all/be all. Stoning doesn't have a damn thing to do with anything. You're thinking in extremes.


LOLI'm done Jolie.  You proved what exactly what I was saying by dating a Muslim.  Did y'all smash?  Cause that ain't allowed in Islam no wheres.

I'm speaking in extremes but you went from All Muslims, and every aspect to some do to most religions do the same to having Muslim boyfriends.  I love you because you always end up saying exactly the same thing I'm saying while arguing about it like we're saying something different LOL


Damn those posting errors... Girl, you are confused LOL. I only mentioned my ex to illustrate that I did know a few things about Islam, not to make him the poster boy for all muslims. And yes, we did smash, btw. Frequently. LOL You have an issue with nuance. I'm trying to tell you that most non-western cultures do not view spirituality as something separate from their daily lives that must be only practiced on sunday and right away, your mind goes to stoning. Like what the hell? My ex was a regular dude, not an Al-Qaeda operative. He didn't have his butt in the air from sunset to sundown but he did have certain values and ways of thinking that were informed by his muslim upbringing. I don,t see what's so difficult to understand about that. The way spirituality is approached in the western world is NOT the norm. You seem to think that all that spirituality has to offer is 100% bad. When spirituality keeps a lot of people going and sometimes acts as a buffer against destructive instincts. For someone who studied religiion in a university setting, you're being mighty one dimensional. Just sayin.


Posted By: iliveforbhm
Date Posted: May 05 2014 at 9:15pm
I wouldn't know what to do if religious people followed the old abrahamic laws. That would be hell on earth.


Posted By: kfoxx1998
Date Posted: May 05 2014 at 9:16pm
Originally posted by JoliePoufiasse JoliePoufiasse wrote:

You have an issue with nuance.


"Hello Kettle!  My name is Pot" LOLLOLCryCryLOLLOL


Posted By: kfoxx1998
Date Posted: May 05 2014 at 9:19pm
Originally posted by iliveforbhm iliveforbhm wrote:

I wouldn't know what to do if religious people followed the old abrahamic laws. That would be hell on earth.


Actually it would only be that way for females and minorities which is pretty much how it is now so....


Posted By: JoliePoufiasse
Date Posted: May 05 2014 at 9:22pm
Originally posted by kfoxx1998 kfoxx1998 wrote:

Originally posted by JoliePoufiasse JoliePoufiasse wrote:

You have an issue with nuance.


Hello Kettle!  My name is Pot LOLLOLCryCryLOLLOL


Okay... You're the one who keeps harping on and on about the evils of religious beliefs whenever a religious thread arises though (along with a few other fonts). So yes, I will interpret this as an inability to compose with nuance. You probably don't realize it but you sound like a proponent of western supremacy half the time. That you can't see that throughout history, spirituality has been necessary for mental equilibrium is confounding to me. I'm  not asking you to be a believer of anything in particular, just objective.


Posted By: JoliePoufiasse
Date Posted: May 05 2014 at 9:26pm
Originally posted by iliveforbhm iliveforbhm wrote:

I wouldn't know what to do if religious people followed the old abrahamic laws. That would be hell on earth.


Guess what. Most sane people (and yes, that includes the spiritual ones) think the same. So what's your point? Extremism of any kind is never a good thing.


Posted By: nekamarie83
Date Posted: May 05 2014 at 9:27pm
Originally posted by JoliePoufiasse JoliePoufiasse wrote:

 I can remember instances where I felt you were being ignorant or straight up judgmental (just being honest, not looking for a fight). I also remember instances where your statements were sound (your views on some women's issues, for instance). But you're just too tight with Afro, that alone is suspect in my mind LOL
1- nah nah, no shade. 2- !!!


Posted By: JoliePoufiasse
Date Posted: May 05 2014 at 9:30pm
Originally posted by nekamarie83 nekamarie83 wrote:

Originally posted by JoliePoufiasse JoliePoufiasse wrote:

 I can remember instances where I felt you were being ignorant or straight up judgmental (just being honest, not looking for a fight). I also remember instances where your statements were sound (your views on some women's issues, for instance). But you're just too tight with Afro, that alone is suspect in my mind LOL
1- nah nah, no shade. 2- !!!


LOL. How you gonna ignore the positive thing I said and go straight to the negative? This wasn't shade. I was standing right beneath the sun! Granted, my delivery might be brutal...


Posted By: kfoxx1998
Date Posted: May 05 2014 at 9:32pm
OMFG.  Jolie do you not remember me or are we beefing about something and I don't remember it because it seems like you have me confused with another poster.  Western Supremacy?  Me??????  If I'm "harping on and on" what the fck are YOU doing?  I recall pages of your fonts in those same threads and I thought we were both just stating our opinions.  Now you're mad and you think I'm 100% on this or that or my font is invisible when I say SOME of it is okay, a lot is bad TO ME.  My participation in a religion thread with your font in it = harping?

Yeah I'm gonna let you interpret away because this is getting dumb as hell.  


Posted By: JoliePoufiasse
Date Posted: May 05 2014 at 9:35pm
Originally posted by kfoxx1998 kfoxx1998 wrote:

OMFG.  Jolie do you not remember me or are we beefing about something and I don't remember it because it seems like you have me confused with another poster.  Western Supremacy?  Me??????  If I'm "harping on and on" what the fck are YOU doing?  I recall pages of your fonts in those same threads and I thought we were both just stating our opinions.  Now you're mad and you think I'm 100% on this or that or my font is invisible when I say SOME of it is okay, a lot is bad TO ME.  My participation in a religion thread with your font in it = harping?

Yeah I'm gonna let you interpret away because this is getting dumb as hell.  


I'm mad, now? Confused  Okay, never mind. This is indeed getting weird. It's like I'm not writing in English or something...




Posted By: kfoxx1998
Date Posted: May 05 2014 at 9:38pm
AgreedLOL


Posted By: JamCaygirl
Date Posted: May 05 2014 at 9:40pm
I dont understand what anyone is arguing about Cry


Posted By: JoliePoufiasse
Date Posted: May 05 2014 at 9:40pm
I guess the focus should go back to these Boko Haram terrorists that abducted these girls because I believe that is what op wanted to focus on in the first place.


Posted By: naturesgift
Date Posted: May 05 2014 at 9:45pm
you know what is amazing... if we were in the same room we would all understand each other a lot better, with post you loose so much...
how many fights have i almost had with text... it the same on here IMO


Posted By: nekamarie83
Date Posted: May 05 2014 at 9:53pm
Originally posted by JoliePoufiasse JoliePoufiasse wrote:

LOL. How you gonna ignore the positive thing I said and go straight to the negative? This wasn't shade. I was standing right beneath the sun! Granted, my delivery might be brutal...
that's what i was saying. that there was no shade taken. you're just giving your opinion and i take no offense at that.  and that afro line was hilarious.  

and thank you for the compliment. i saw it. you ain't gotta go all reading chart "e" on me.  


Posted By: kfoxx1998
Date Posted: May 05 2014 at 9:58pm
Originally posted by kfoxx1998 kfoxx1998 wrote:

Originally posted by liesnalibis liesnalibis wrote:

I know one thing they really need to stop forcing their backwards religion on everyone else. And before you get mad ask yourself if you would get mad if the same thing was said about Christianity. This is a sickness and the masses shouldn't have to fear one radicalized segment of society.


Are you talking about Islam?


Sorry star I see that actually highlighted what I agreed with and asked a question about the part I wanted you to expound on.  I wish you didn't think I'm always coming for youPinch.  I thought I agreed with you and you getting defensive had me scratching my head.

You said backwards religion and I meant to highlight that in re: you mean Islam?.   I wanted to discuss that and how the religious text is set in time and can never change with the world.  So the Islamic Extremists have something to "misuse" in order to continue doing this for eternity.  The ironic thing is that the Quran was supposed to "correct" the bible but there is only one one major theme they disagreed with so nothing was really updated at all. 

Anyway I agree with you about the radicalism being a sickness.  It seems like the sociopaths in Islam just run wild when somebody needs to chop THEIR heads off or lock them in an insane asylum.  And they definitely use violence to silence the majority the way Hitler used propaganda to get Germans to stay uninvolved while they killed many, many Jews.   


Posted By: kfoxx1998
Date Posted: May 05 2014 at 10:03pm
Originally posted by naturesgift naturesgift wrote:

you know what is amazing... if we were in the same room we would all understand each other a lot better, with post you loose so much...
how many fights have i almost had with text... it the same on here IMO


Sorry nature.  I guess I messed up your thread.  Some girls want to beat me up after school today for no reasonCry




Posted By: JoliePoufiasse
Date Posted: May 05 2014 at 10:08pm
OP, the abductions are finally getting some serious attention in the Canadian media. I just viewed a piece about the situation and the mounting international pressure. It's about time.


Posted By: naturesgift
Date Posted: May 05 2014 at 10:08pm
Originally posted by kfoxx1998 kfoxx1998 wrote:

Originally posted by naturesgift naturesgift wrote:

you know what is amazing... if we were in the same room we would all understand each other a lot better, with post you loose so much...
how many fights have i almost had with text... it the same on here IMO


Sorry nature.  I guess I messed up your thread.  Some girls want to beat me up after school today for no reasonCry


Impossible! you did not such thing! I just think the nature of BHM is sensitive, we all have valid points! and that is what makes this fun! If people get on here and don't feel like they are free to say what the think then what is the point! IA with most of what you said about Islam in American BTW its just the forum was giving me a lot of problems with posting...


Posted By: EPITOME
Date Posted: May 05 2014 at 10:18pm
there were too many arguments in this thread


Posted By: JoliePoufiasse
Date Posted: May 05 2014 at 10:28pm
Originally posted by naturesgift naturesgift wrote:

Originally posted by kfoxx1998 kfoxx1998 wrote:

Originally posted by naturesgift naturesgift wrote:

you know what is amazing... if we were in the same room we would all understand each other a lot better, with post you loose so much...
how many fights have i almost had with text... it the same on here IMO


Sorry nature.  I guess I messed up your thread.  Some girls want to beat me up after school today for no reasonCry


Impossible! you did not such thing! I just think the nature of BHM is sensitive, we all have valid points! and that is what makes this fun! If people get on here and don't feel like they are free to say what the think then what is the point! IA with most of what you said about Islam in American BTW its just the forum was giving me a lot of problems with posting...


Thank you for saying this. It's hard to debate anything on here without antagonism getting in the way. It's like your opinions always have to be consistent with one specific clique or another. Ain't nobody tryin' to beat up anybody after school and speaking for myself, I wasn't arguing. I was debating. Another distinction that is not easily understood on bhm.


Posted By: kfoxx1998
Date Posted: May 05 2014 at 10:44pm
LOL

And nature I honesty feel free to say whatever the hell I want to say 100% of the time.  ESPECIALLY about religion.  Just too many feelings and personal emotions in this thread for me today.  I was  stopping by for a laugh and light conversation not past, present and future analysis of my motives and imaginary agenda and mysterious grudge matches about sh*t I posted 50-11 months ago.  If I posted it, it was true and I meant it.  And if I'm wrong I apologize and move on.  I care, but I don't care....  


Posted By: afrokock
Date Posted: May 05 2014 at 11:06pm
Originally posted by kfoxx1998 kfoxx1998 wrote:


LOL Hilarious Thread title.  Ion the answer tho.  I'm still trying to figure out how you can be religious if you CAN read. 
thread closed?


Posted By: rohan
Date Posted: May 05 2014 at 11:29pm
What a sad sad state of affairs.  Hopefully the current trend continues, and with more access to the internet, more educational opportunities, and more chances for folks to escape poverty, and we'll continue to chip away at the greatest protection of irrational thought we have left.  There's hope.


Posted By: naturesgift
Date Posted: May 05 2014 at 11:34pm
yes hope


Posted By: iliveforbhm
Date Posted: May 06 2014 at 5:29am
Originally posted by JoliePoufiasse JoliePoufiasse wrote:

Originally posted by iliveforbhm iliveforbhm wrote:

I wouldn't know what to do if religious people followed the old abrahamic laws. That would be hell on earth.


Guess what. Most sane people (and yes, that includes the spiritual ones) think the same. So what's your point? Extremism of any kind is never a good thing.

Um, it would be hell on earth. That's the point boo. Now some are needed like shall not kill and steal. But not all is needed.



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