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Topic: How do we feel about the SNL slave joke?
Posted By: stardaqueenb23
Subject: How do we feel about the SNL slave joke?
Date Posted: May 05 2014 at 6:41pm
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Leslie Jones of ‘SNL’ defends her jokes about forced breeding during slavery

    By Soraya Nadia McDonald     
    May 5 at 3:04 am

Unless you watched the entire broadcast, it was easy to miss the controversy over “Saturday Night Live” writer Leslie Jones’s bit on “Weekend Update” this past weekend. The first trickling of commentary about this week’s episode was all about the comic brilliance of the “Beygency” sketch, but Twitter soon found its way to Jones.

In her first on-camera appearance on the show, Jones congratulated Lupita Nyong’o on winning People magazine’s “Most Beautiful Person” award, then argued for a “most useful” category for herself, asserting to “Weekend Update” host Colin Jost that she would be his pick if he were approached by three Crips in a dark parking lot. “The way we view black beauty has changed,” Jones said. “See, I’m single right now, but back in the slave days, I would have never been single. I’m six feet tall and I’m strong, Colin. Strong! I mean, look at me, I’m a mandingo … I’m just saying that back in the slave days, my love life would have been way better. Massah would have hooked me up with the best brotha on the plantation … I would be the No. 1 slave draft pick.”

After a joke about announcing which plantation she would choose, likening the decision to the NBA draft, Jones said, “Now, I can’t even get a brotha to take me out for a cheap dinner. I mean, damn. Can a b—– get a beef bowl?”
Michael Fassbender as "Edwin Epps", Lupita Nyong'o as "Patsey" & Chiwetel Ejiofor as "Solomon Northup" in Steve McQueens's 12 YEARS A SLAVE.

Michael Fassbender as Edwin Epps, Lupita Nyong’o as Patsey and Chiwetel Ejiofor as Solomon Northup in Steve McQueen’s “12 Years a Slave.”

Jones actually referred to herself as a mandingo, a term that already has a reputation as a lexical landmine when used to describe black men, but takes on a particularly pejorative distinction because black women have struggled to assert and define not just their humanity, but their femininity. Think of Patsey, Nyong’o's character from “12 Years a Slave,” whom Master Edwin Epps heaps with praise because she consistently outperforms her male counterparts — often by more than 100 percent — harvesting cotton.

Jones isn’t the first black comedian to make a joke about slavery, particularly about the inhumane system of forced breeding that treated people like livestock. The most famous example is this clip from Chris Rock’s “Never Scared,” which turns 10 years old this year:

“During slavery, they used to take the biggest, strongest slaves and breed them, and try their best to make big strong super slaves,” Rock said. “Okay? That’s right. That’s right. And there’s evidence of that today, like the NFL, for instance. NFL stands for ‘N—- F—— Large.’ They bred the slaves — and this is why black people dominate every physical activity in the United States of America, okay. We’re only 10 percent of the population. We’re 90 percent of the Final Four, okay? We f—— dominate … basketball, baseball, football, boxing, track, even golf and tennis. And as soon as they make a heated hockey rink, we gon’ take that s—, too.”

Sunday, Jones gave an impassioned response to critics in 16 tweets, attributing the negative response to sexism.

“If anybody should be offended is white folks cause it’s what they did,” Jones tweeted. “Y’all so busy trying to be self righteous you miss what the joke really is. Very sad I have to defend myself to black people. Now I’m betting if Chris Rock or Dave [Chappelle] did that joke or jay z or Kanye put in a rap they would be called brilliant. Cause they all do this type of material. Just cause it came from a strong black woman who ain’t afraid to be real y’all mad. So here is my announcement black folks, you won’t stop me and Im gonna go even harder and deeper now. Cause it’s a shame that we kill each other instead of support each other. This exactly why black people are where we are now cause we too f—— sensitive and instead of make lemonade out of lemons we just suck the sour juice from the lemons. Wake up.”

So what’s the difference between Rock’s commentary, which was well-received and critically praised — Washington Post critic Tom Shales called it “thinking man’s raunch” and a “furious tour de force” — and Jones’s?

Rock’s monologue was served with a heaping mound of condemnation for slavery; he put his jokes in a larger context, arguing the merits of affirmative action. Jones’s bit, however, seemed to diminish the importance of a dark-skinned black woman such as Nyong’o being named “most beautiful” — Nyong’o has spoken publicly about her struggle to see herself as beautiful because of her dark skin — while also depicting forced breeding as consensual or enjoyable.

“Where is the rape idiots,” Jones tweeted. “I said nothing about rape you f—— morons. I was talking about being match to another strong brother.” She continued: “Not being raped by white man. What part of this joke wasn’t true? I would have been used for breeding straight up. And that’s my reality.”



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Posted By: SoutherNtellect
Date Posted: May 05 2014 at 6:49pm
haven't watched.
won't watch.
but i was put off by her twitter responses to the outcry 


Posted By: blaquefoxx
Date Posted: May 05 2014 at 6:55pm

I bet the Serpent wrote this "joke" for Eve.





Posted By: liesnalibis
Date Posted: May 05 2014 at 7:00pm
smh


Posted By: naturesgift
Date Posted: May 05 2014 at 7:01pm
Originally posted by SoutherNtellect SoutherNtellect wrote:

haven't watched.
won't watch.
but i was put off by her twitter responses to the outcry 
me 2

No more outrage over non-sense I don't know any Black people who watch SNL anyway
She will dig her own grave!!


Posted By: Alias_Avi
Date Posted: May 05 2014 at 7:03pm
Black people can laugh at slavery jokes but it's how it's done

You can't really tell a slavery joke without being offensive but if it's not funny expect the blow back
Dave Chappelle never had to worry about that because he's actually funny


Posted By: kfoxx1998
Date Posted: May 05 2014 at 7:03pm
In a club everybody would be cracking up about this skit.  Did this "outcry" come from the new blacks?  They don't like for us to say "black" sh*t in public. 


Posted By: kfoxx1998
Date Posted: May 05 2014 at 7:05pm
1000 points for making yt people feel uncomfortable as fck on national TV Clap


Posted By: Marcelo22
Date Posted: May 05 2014 at 7:05pm
Comedy should be a no holds barred craft. 

I was just watching the sketch with my grandmother and her friend and they both laughed.


Posted By: PurplePhase
Date Posted: May 05 2014 at 7:10pm
I just happened to see that little piece of SNL and it did give me a feeling, not a good one. I don't watch the show and didn't know if I was just out of touch. Probably.

eta: I only saw just that little piece, I didn't see what came before so I don't know context.   I turned it off at that point


Posted By: yurika975
Date Posted: May 05 2014 at 8:24pm
I saw a clip of only that part. I didn't think it was funny. I do think George Carlin was right about delivery being critical to comedy. 


Posted By: mizzsandra00
Date Posted: May 05 2014 at 8:31pm
Am I new black if I laugh?




Posted By: kfoxx1998
Date Posted: May 05 2014 at 8:40pm
Originally posted by mizzsandra00 mizzsandra00 wrote:

Am I new black if I laugh?



No you a regla niccah.  New Blacks don't like jokes that make yt ppl feel bad about themselves. 


Posted By: Tbaby
Date Posted: May 05 2014 at 8:44pm
I stopped watching SNL more than 15 years ago.

I am going to watch Maya Rudolphs new show 2 mondays from now.  She's funny.



Posted By: carolina cutie
Date Posted: May 06 2014 at 12:34am
Originally posted by SamoneLenior SamoneLenior wrote:


everyone isn't good at this type of comedy

it's like when rick ross tries to do a conscious rap/line
It's painful.Dead


Posted By: newdiva1
Date Posted: May 06 2014 at 2:14am
are we mad at the paragraph with the "No.1 draft pic"?  if so...*shrugs* .  she wasn't funny but I ain't mad at her either.


Posted By: dijah.love
Date Posted: May 06 2014 at 11:18am
The white folks were the ones laughing in the background.

I didn't like the joke at all. It made ME feel uncomfortable. I watched Chris Rock's similar joke the way enslaved people were "bred" by whites, and it did not make me feel as angry. Her joke was delivered very distastefully.


Posted By: OoDles O
Date Posted: May 06 2014 at 11:26am
First of all, Leslie Jones is funny as sh*t

secondly.. that Joke is an older joke she, I guess, modified to add the slave bit.
Not sure why she added the slave bit but… Hey, she wrote it… And SNL OK'd it…
so there's a form of creative freedom their that you can look forward to in future skits.

thirdly.. I wasn't offended but it could've been funnier.. But I'm still #TeamBigLez 

Again Scrutiny is at an all time high.


Posted By: Ladycoils
Date Posted: May 06 2014 at 11:30am
I didn't think it was gut busting funny but I'm not offended. 


Posted By: mizzsandra00
Date Posted: May 06 2014 at 11:30am
Originally posted by OoDles O OoDles O wrote:

First of all, Leslie Jones is funny as sh*t

secondly.. that Joke is an older joke she, I guess, modified to add the slave bit.
Not sure why she added the slave bit but… Hey, she wrote it… And SNL OK'd it…
so there's a form of creative freedom their that you can look forward to in future skits.

thirdly.. I wasn't offended but it could've been funnier.. But I'm still #TeamBigLez 

Again Scrutiny is at an all time high.


She is really funny....


Posted By: kfoxx1998
Date Posted: May 06 2014 at 12:20pm
Originally posted by SamoneLenior SamoneLenior wrote:


kfoxx you sure whites were like




Actually no.  I figure its more certain black people were uncomfortable with the joke being told in front of white people because:

"omg, slavery is never funny",
"not all whites are racists",
"its not like they owned slaves", etc. 

White people don't care as much because they know they aint sh*t.  They were thinking hell yes I would be breeding for million dollar ball players if I owned slaves, lol, but times are different now so who cares.

Its not like nothing she said was untrue.  It was a very funny bit in its entirety.  People are reacting to the words slavery and birthing. 


Posted By: JulieGianni
Date Posted: May 06 2014 at 1:37pm
I didn't think it was funny.


Posted By: ms_wonderland
Date Posted: May 06 2014 at 1:40pm
people and these twitter crusades...

The last time I saw her live she roasted my table and told us we only had a couple good years left lol and bitches like us won't be able to keep a man because we never had to learn to cook and clean. she went IN on my cousin who wears her ratchet proudly and I still found her hilarious.  I've seen her twice and I never heard her say anything questionable.


Posted By: nebhnebh
Date Posted: May 06 2014 at 1:59pm
"Yo Leslie! Can we get some progressive jokes?  Making a joke of slavery is tired and tacky."

I didn't see it but from what I read, I probably would not have liked it.


Posted By: melikey
Date Posted: May 06 2014 at 2:17pm
Originally posted by OoDles O OoDles O wrote:

First of all, Leslie Jones is funny as sh*t

secondly.. that Joke is an older joke she, I guess, modified to add the slave bit.
Not sure why she added the slave bit but… Hey, she wrote it… And SNL OK'd it…
so there's a form of creative freedom their that you can look forward to in future skits.

thirdly.. I wasn't offended but it could've been funnier.. But I'm still #TeamBigLez<span style="line-height: 1.4;"> </span>
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<span style="line-height: 1.4;">Again</span>…<span style="line-height: 1.4;"> Scrutiny is at an all time high.</span>




I think it would have been funny without the slave bit. Just referring to her size and making lebron type babies vs. a petite chick.


Posted By: melikey
Date Posted: May 06 2014 at 2:20pm
I am often uncomfortable and appalled at jokes at black comedy clubs and do feel some type of way with those jokes being told in mixed company, cause I know they are not laughing with us, they are laughing at us. There should be some type of black comedian code of ethics or something.


Posted By: kfoxx1998
Date Posted: May 06 2014 at 2:26pm
I actually think I used to be uncomfortable but I don't give a damn now.  Fck them, we need black people jokes to deal with their bullsh*t.  And just because the comedian said "niccah" it doesn't mean its okay for you to say it so don't even askLOL


Posted By: JulieGianni
Date Posted: May 06 2014 at 2:33pm
Originally posted by melikey melikey wrote:

I am often uncomfortable and appalled at jokes at black comedy clubs and do feel some type of way with those jokes being told in mixed company, cause I know they are not laughing with us, they are laughing at us. There should be some type of black comedian code of ethics or something.

I agree.  Even Chris Rock stopped doing his "I love black people, but I hate n*gg*rs" bit.  Once he saw that white people LOVED that joke and would repeat at their leisure made him realize he made a mistake.

Isn't that why Dave Chappelle quit and ran away from his show?


Posted By: OoDles O
Date Posted: May 06 2014 at 2:34pm
Originally posted by ms_wonderland ms_wonderland wrote:

people and these twitter crusades...

The last time I saw her live she roasted my table and told us we only had a couple good years left lol and bitches like us won't be able to keep a man because we never had to learn to cook and clean. she went IN on my cousin who wears her ratchet proudly and I still found her hilarious.  I've seen her twice and I never heard her say anything questionable.

Hilarious.

I've seen her a few times live …
she goes in. Its a well done recklessness to her delivery.
I love it. I was with some comedians so we were fortunate enough not to get roasted lol.

She went in on some dudes ….on some "look at these no P*** ass getting N*99ass!"…. It was brutally funny.


Posted By: kfoxx1998
Date Posted: May 06 2014 at 2:35pm
I hated that Chris Rock joke as well as his whole "good hair" crusade.  And especially hated black people who started saying that sh*t about hating "niccas".   


Posted By: nitabug
Date Posted: May 06 2014 at 5:53pm
Originally posted by kfoxx1998 kfoxx1998 wrote:

In a club everybody would be cracking up about this skit.  Did this
"outcry" come from the new blacks?  They don't like for us to say "black"
sh*t in public. 

I dont think I would have laughed, if I did, it would have been an uncomfortable one...like okay...next joke


Posted By: Rumbera
Date Posted: May 06 2014 at 6:03pm
I watched the clip, I didn't find her funny.


Posted By: Benni
Date Posted: May 06 2014 at 7:15pm
Artistic Expression



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