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Topic: Seattle Announces $15 Minimum Wage, Highest In US
Posted By: Marcelo22
Subject: Seattle Announces $15 Minimum Wage, Highest In US
Date Posted: May 01 2014 at 1:48pm

http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2014/05/01/3433227/seattle-15-dollar-minimum-wage/" rel="nofollow - Seattle Announces $15 Minimum Wage, Highest In The U.S.



Seattle will raise its minimum wage to $15 an hour over the coming years under a deal brokered by Mayor Ed Murray and blessed by labor and business groups alike, city leaders  http://www.kirotv.com/videos/news/kiro-live-event-1/vt6Gk/" rel="nofollow - announced Thursday afternoon .

The new pay floor will phase in at different speeds for businesses of different sizes, but all employers will have to meet the $15 minimum wage by the end of the decade. Businesses with more than 500 employees nationwide will have a three-year phase-in period, while smaller employers get five years to ratchet up their payscales.

After reaching $15 an hour, the city’s minimum wage will automatically climb by 2.4 percent each year regardless of the rate of inflation. Even among states with relatively strong minimum wage laws, automatic increases are uncommon. Thursday’s deal will make Seattle the national leader on municipal minimum wage laws. Washington currently has the highest pay floor of any state at $9.32 per hour.

The deal was  http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2014/01/06/3122991/seattle-minimum-wage/" rel="nofollow - a long time coming , with Murray first indicating he wanted to establish a $15 floor back in  http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/govbeat/wp/2013/09/25/is-seattle-headed-for-a-15-minimum-wage/" rel="nofollow - September  during the mayoral campaign. Murray created the 24-member advisory group that crafted the compromise package back in December, and the group of local business owners, restaurateurs, and labor leaders has been grinding toward an agreement for the past four months.

Approval from restaurant owners is especially noteworthy given the deal’s provisions for tipped workers. Tips can only be counted toward worker minimum pay for the next five years. After that, the separate minimum hourly pay rates for tipped and non-tipped workers will disappear, and all employees citywide will have to be paid $15 hourly or more.

An activist coalition called 15 Now led by the lone socialist member of the City Council,  http://blogs.seattletimes.com/opinionnw/2014/04/29/kshama-sawant-has-already-won-the-seattle-15-wage-debate/" rel="nofollow - Kshama Sawant , has pledged to put an immediate wage hike before city voters in November if the deal falls short of the group’s goals. Another coalition, 15 For Seattle, issued a press release Thursday saying that “many of the coalitions 100+ progressive members  http://69.195.124.169/~onefivg2/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/15-for-seattle-Release-5-01-14.pdf" rel="nofollow - have already endorsed ” the deal but that others “are taking the Mayor’s proposal back to their organizations for review and approval.” Sawant’s ballot initiative would let employers with fewer than 250 workers phase in higher wages over three years but impose the $15 rate immediately for larger businesses.

Sawant is one of two members of the  http://www.capitolhillseattle.com/2014/01/seattles-push-for-15hour-minimum-wage-takes-shape/" rel="nofollow - working group  who is opposing the deal announced Thursday, according to a source close to the negotiations. The other is http://www.bizjournals.com/seattle/stories/2006/05/22/smallb1.html?page=all" rel="nofollow - Craig Dawson , the owner of a payments processing company called Retail Lockbox. The head of the city’s Chamber of Commerce is abstaining. But the 21 votes in favor include representatives from two separate chapters of the Service Employees International Union (SEIU), the United Food and Commercial Workers (UFCW) chapter, and the MLK Labor Council, as well as local hotel owners, restaurant owners, a pair of Councilmen, and the venture capitalist Nick Hanauer, who has made a name for himself in recent years as a wealthy champion of economic policies that focus on the middle class rather than on business owners and the wealthy.

There are  http://www.pugetsoundsage.org/downloads/Economic%20and%20Equity%20Outcomes%20of%20a%20$15%20Minimum%20Wage%20in%20Seattle_1.pdf" rel="nofollow - 102,000  workers in Seattle currently earning less than $15 an hour. Raising those people’s wages will put about half a billion extra dollars of spending money into Seattle workers’ pockets. As SEIU 775 president and coalition co-chair David Rolf said in a statement Thursday, the deal “will pump nearly $500 million into Washington’s economy, proving that a  http://seiu775.org/15/" rel="nofollow - higher minimum wage fuels business and job growth .”




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Posted By: Rumbera
Date Posted: May 01 2014 at 1:49pm
Glad my business is not in Seattle.


Posted By: Lonisha87
Date Posted: May 01 2014 at 1:50pm
Cool


Posted By: ModelessDiva
Date Posted: May 01 2014 at 1:52pm
Originally posted by Lonisha87 Lonisha87 wrote:

Cool


Posted By: melikey
Date Posted: May 01 2014 at 1:55pm
Originally posted by Rumbera Rumbera wrote:


Glad my business is not in Seattle.


It will probably drive a lot of jobs to be paid under the table, especially service jobs.


Posted By: melikey
Date Posted: May 01 2014 at 1:58pm
Unions will be the death of Seattle. They just almost lost Boeing. They're gonna mess around and be the next Detroit.


Posted By: Marcelo22
Date Posted: May 01 2014 at 1:59pm
Originally posted by melikey melikey wrote:

Unions will be the death of Seattle. They just almost lost Boeing. They're gonna mess around and be the next Detroit.



Posted By: bindy
Date Posted: May 01 2014 at 2:05pm
Republicans must be going insane with opposition.


Posted By: Rumbera
Date Posted: May 01 2014 at 2:06pm

Not every job is a $15/hr job.

Higher wages = higher pricers for consumers who never want to pay more for goods and services.

 
 


Posted By: carolina cutie
Date Posted: May 01 2014 at 2:16pm
$15/hr by 2020? That sounds reasonable.


Current estimate for livable wages for Seattle:
Hourly Wages 1 Adult 1 Adult, 1 Child 1 Adult, 2 Children 1 Adult, 3 Children 2 Adults 2 Adults, 1 Child 2 Adults, 2 Children 2 Adults, 3 Children
Living Wage $9.64 $20.53 $24.76 $31.75 $14.85 $18.31 $19.63 $24.14



Posted By: naturesgift
Date Posted: May 01 2014 at 2:19pm
well this place also has the highest suicide rate in US? anyway I don't understand how people are able to live on like $7.45 and hour...


Posted By: Rumbera
Date Posted: May 01 2014 at 2:25pm
Originally posted by carolina cutie carolina cutie wrote:

$15/hr by 2020? That sounds reasonable.


Current estimate for livable wages for Seattle:
Hourly Wages 1 Adult 1 Adult, 1 Child 1 Adult, 2 Children 1 Adult, 3 Children 2 Adults 2 Adults, 1 Child 2 Adults, 2 Children 2 Adults, 3 Children
Living Wage $9.64 $20.53 $24.76 $31.75 $14.85 $18.31 $19.63 $24.14

 
hmm... *grumbles* in six years


Posted By: melikey
Date Posted: May 01 2014 at 2:29pm
Originally posted by naturesgift naturesgift wrote:

well this place also has the highest suicide rate in US? anyway I don't understand how people are able to live on like $7.45 and hour...


Most making this wage work more than 40 hours and live with others who contribute to the household income.


Posted By: Marcelo22
Date Posted: May 01 2014 at 2:32pm
yeah in college I used to stay in "community homes" where u rent a room and share the house....one time there were grown adults just working renting rooms...cool for a student, but not when u enter the real world....a lot of grown ass people are living together because they cant afford their own crib


Posted By: mommykat
Date Posted: May 01 2014 at 2:39pm
Well, I’m thinking perhaps-- this has to do with new laws in the state.
In the next few months Washington will have an increase in tourism, crime, goods and services.
I know for a fact that I will visit there for vacation this summer a few days before my trip.
For example, Recreational Marijuana in Washington open for all this summer June or July?:
       
“SEATTLE — Drive down virtually any thoroughfare in Seattle and you are likely to pass several medical marijuana dispensaries. On Rainier Avenue, in southeast Seattle, the Northwest Cannabis Market sits between a fish store and an Italian bakery. A mile or so down the road, another dispensary occupies an old drive-in burger stand. There are about half as many medical marijuana dispensaries in Seattle — about 200 — as Starbucks locations.
But unlike in Colorado, where retail sales of marijuana for recreational uses began on New Year’s Day, a year after voters passed a ballot initiative legalizing the drug, Washington state regulators have taken months to craft new rules, and to comb through the thousands of applications for growing and retail licenses. More than 16 months after voters approved legalization, anyone hoping to score some dope in Seattle still has to have a medical prescription”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/govbeat/wp/2014/04/08/retail-marijuana-sales-in-washington-face-regulatory-delays/" rel="nofollow - http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/govbeat/wp/2014/04/08/retail-marijuana-sales-in-washington-face-regulatory-delays/

Things that make you go hmmmm….?


Posted By: mommykat
Date Posted: May 01 2014 at 2:40pm
21 and over for Recreational Marijuana in Washington


Posted By: melikey
Date Posted: May 01 2014 at 2:46pm
Originally posted by Marcelo22 Marcelo22 wrote:

yeah in college I used to stay in "community homes" where u rent a room and share the house....one time there were grown adults just working renting rooms...cool for a student, but not when u enter the real world....a lot of grown ass people are living together because they cant afford their own crib


Would you be willing to pay $60 for something like a manicure or valet parking so they could be paid better and move out on their own?


Posted By: Derri
Date Posted: May 01 2014 at 2:49pm
The minimum wage here is about to be raised to $11, which means higher gas prices (but they already set that up---last week they reported that the price of oil is the highest it has been since 2011) and the price of food is about to skyrocket. 

Canada has tricked us immigrants into baking a pie with the promise of a dream, then they moved to the suburbs where they eat in private, and now they are closing the kitchen on us. The only immigrants who could get a piece of the pie are the ones from the East because they know the value of family and community. The black man has no place here...unless he too learns that a network is crucial for his survival. 


Posted By: Ming
Date Posted: May 01 2014 at 2:54pm
Originally posted by Rumbera Rumbera wrote:

Not every job is a $15/hr job.

Higher wages = higher pricers for consumers who never want to pay more for goods and services.

i agree...

if the service matched the price, i wouldnt mind "paying the 5"



Posted By: melikey
Date Posted: May 01 2014 at 2:57pm
Yes, Indian and other Asian immigrant families pool resources the first generation or two to build wealth and to get their children the best education. People might look down on them stuffed in small apartments not knowing those kids are probably going to be their boss one day.


Posted By: Ming
Date Posted: May 01 2014 at 2:57pm
theyre gonna raise it to $10 here Confused


Posted By: maysay1
Date Posted: May 01 2014 at 3:06pm
Originally posted by Marcelo22 Marcelo22 wrote:

yeah in college I used to stay in "community homes" where u rent a room and share the house....one time there were grown adults just working renting rooms...cool for a student, but not when u enter the real world....a lot of grown ass people are living together because they cant afford their own crib


It's partly this kind of thinking that contributes to people not being able to afford what's considered a "normal" lifestyle.

In Western society what we consider adult milestones are very expensive and the only way to finance them is to go into debt. Specifically because our economy does not support a basic standard of living for everyone while still forcing certain expectations on them.




Posted By: ModelessDiva
Date Posted: May 01 2014 at 3:07pm
This is for my city

The U.S. Senate votes Wednesday on raising the minimum wage to $10.10, which may help lift a disproportionately high number of LGBT households out of poverty.
ConfusedConfused

The Leadership Conference on Civil and Human Rights sent some statistics compiled by their LGBT partners, the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force and the National Center for Transgender Equality.

According to studies, a $10.10 minimum wage would mean higher earnings for 17 million workers with little to no effect on the employment rate, and could lift nearly five million Americans out of poverty.





Posted By: maysay1
Date Posted: May 01 2014 at 3:19pm
Originally posted by Rumbera Rumbera wrote:

Not every job is a $15/hr job.

Higher wages = higher pricers for consumers who never want to pay more for goods and services.

 
 


I wholeheartedly disagree with that.

I believe that every person is entitled to basic standard of living and a basic income. So, if they are working full time or dependent on the govt because they can't work, they should receive an income that provides for their shelter, food, and medical care.

Of course the exact number varies depending on the area (15$/hr is not the same in alabama as it is in seattle). But the way we do things now is shameful and there absolutely needs to be a change. Of course, basic income can't be the only that changes because there has to be supportive system in place to make that work (ie affordable housing, universal healthcare, etc).


Posted By: Derri
Date Posted: May 01 2014 at 3:27pm
All of this is regulated, which means it is an illusion. There are puppeteers pulling the strings, and they could pull any string they want. They could make minimum wage $25 if they wanted, hell $100 even...because money is fake. 

I'm not interested in fighting for 'rights' in the illusion. I'm ready to shatter the whole bloody thing. That to me is real freedom. 


Posted By: melikey
Date Posted: May 01 2014 at 3:56pm
Originally posted by Derri Derri wrote:

All of this is regulated, which means it is an illusion. There are puppeteers pulling the strings, and they could pull any string they want. They could make minimum wage $25 if they wanted, hell $100 even...because money is fake. 

I'm not interested in fighting for 'rights' in the illusion. I'm ready to shatter the whole bloody thing. That to me is real freedom. 


Yes, there was this terrible movie with Justin Timberlake which explains it beautifully. Poor will be poor, the rich make sure of that. You can't overcome that by simply asking for more money, they will put up a fake fight and finally relent. Meanwhile, you're still poor because nothing is free, the rich just raise prices to get their money back.


Posted By: maysay1
Date Posted: May 01 2014 at 4:01pm
Originally posted by melikey melikey wrote:

Originally posted by Derri Derri wrote:

All of this is regulated, which means it is an illusion. There are puppeteers pulling the strings, and they could pull any string they want. They could make minimum wage $25 if they wanted, hell $100 even...because money is fake. 

I'm not interested in fighting for 'rights' in the illusion. I'm ready to shatter the whole bloody thing. That to me is real freedom. 


Yes, there was this terrible movie with Justin Timberlake which explains it beautifully. Poor will be poor, the rich make sure of that. You can't overcome that by simply asking for more money, they will put up a fake fight and finally relent. Meanwhile, you're still poor because nothing is free, the rich just raise prices to get their money back.


True true.

There are a significant number of people who are trying to extricate themselves from this system. Living a simple life where you have no obligations to the government (debt, etc) and can sustain yourself without them is the way to go. But it's hard work and most people don't want to live without the luxuries the modern world provides.




Posted By: melikey
Date Posted: May 01 2014 at 4:06pm
Originally posted by maysay1 maysay1 wrote:

Originally posted by melikey melikey wrote:

Originally posted by Derri Derri wrote:

All of this is regulated, which means it is an illusion. There are puppeteers pulling the strings, and they could pull any string they want. They could make minimum wage $25 if they wanted, hell $100 even...because money is fake. 

I'm not interested in fighting for 'rights' in the illusion. I'm ready to shatter the whole bloody thing. That to me is real freedom. 


Yes, there was this terrible movie with Justin Timberlake which explains it beautifully. Poor will be poor, the rich make sure of that. You can't overcome that by simply asking for more money, they will put up a fake fight and finally relent. Meanwhile, you're still poor because nothing is free, the rich just raise prices to get their money back.


True true.

There are a significant number of people who are trying to extricate themselves from this system. Living a simple life where you have no obligations to the government (debt, etc) and can sustain yourself without them is the way to go. But it's hard work and most people don't want to live without the luxuries the modern world provides.





Makes sense, they can't raise your rent if you own, if you don't drive and work in your own community you won't be impacted by gas prices, etc...


Posted By: maysay1
Date Posted: May 01 2014 at 4:22pm
Even owning a spot has its risks. Property taxes go up...or the city can use imminent domain because they decide a highway is better than having your house there. And having a house means you have to be connected...through insurance, and water/electricity, etc.

My dream at the moment is to boondock in an rv. Either that or have a small cabin, out of the way, with a bit of land. Off grid.




Posted By: Derri
Date Posted: May 01 2014 at 4:41pm
Yes, I too dream of living in reality, outside of this entire illusion. I feel like I am wasting my time here on this amazing planet when I'm a part of the rat race. 

*thinking of a master plan*


Posted By: Benni
Date Posted: May 01 2014 at 4:55pm
Way to go Seattle


Posted By: Bored w/Out Me?
Date Posted: May 01 2014 at 8:04pm
You need $30 in order to afford to live a frugal life here


Posted By: carolina cutie
Date Posted: May 01 2014 at 8:07pm
The extreme view floating around Capital hill that no minimum wage should exist:




Posted By: Gkisses
Date Posted: May 01 2014 at 8:47pm
No one who puts in 40hr a week of work anywhere should be living in poverty in America. But that's just my opinion.


Posted By: ModelessDiva
Date Posted: May 01 2014 at 9:09pm
^^agree


Posted By: thewonderfulwa
Date Posted: May 01 2014 at 9:20pm


Posted By: EPITOME
Date Posted: May 01 2014 at 9:21pm
Originally posted by Rumbera Rumbera wrote:

Not every job is a $15/hr job.

Higher wages = higher pricers for consumers who never want to pay more for goods and services.

 
 

in 2020? yeah every job needs to be. Who is living off decently off $7? I made $10/hr in college and it's crazy to me that that's NOT the minimum wage. Georgia's MW is $5.15. $5 f.vcking dollars. That's 1.5 gallons of gas. That ain't sheit


Posted By: EPITOME
Date Posted: May 01 2014 at 9:26pm
Originally posted by maysay1 maysay1 wrote:

Even owning a spot has its risks. Property taxes go up...or the city can use imminent domain because they decide a highway is better than having your house there. And having a house means you have to be connected...through insurance, and water/electricity, etc.

My dream at the moment is to boondock in an rv. Either that or have a small cabin, out of the way, with a bit of land. Off grid.




white people do this on House Hunters Off The Grid.  Go for it!


Posted By: gabi03
Date Posted: May 01 2014 at 11:18pm
Sigh... this won't end well here for small businesses. A bunch of entitled spoiled white brats who want to work less but stick their hands out for more money. With tips some of these folks make up to $20 an hour excluding medical and 401k contributions by their employer. You can make less than $15 and live, eat, and play in the city, but honestly here its greed, they want more and more, but they don't wanna put in the work. Not true for everyone but here in Seattle, because some really do struggle but there are programs here to assist you with food, medical, education, training... I've been on that side of the fence, I know the struggle but it can be done. Once again, here in Seattle its not out of necessity, its out of entitlement imo.

I can't wait until we can vote this jackass mayor out. 


Posted By: ms_wonderland
Date Posted: May 01 2014 at 11:25pm
why do you think it's entitlement @ gabi?  that's still like 2k after taxes if you work full time....that's not a lot of money.  what's the price of the avg 1 bedroom apt there?  if you make over 1200 a month or something like that you can't qualify for EBT so idk what assistance is going to help a working single person with no children.    


Posted By: ragincajin
Date Posted: May 01 2014 at 11:37pm
Originally posted by gabi03 gabi03 wrote:

Sigh... this won't end well here for small businesses. A bunch of entitled spoiled white brats who want to work less but stick their hands out for more money. With tips some of these folks make up to $20 an hour excluding medical and 401k contributions by their employer. You can make less than $15 and live, eat, and play in the city, but honestly here its greed, they want more and more, but they don't wanna put in the work. Not true for everyone but here in Seattle, because some really do struggle but there are programs here to assist you with food, medical, education, training... I've been on that side of the fence, I know the struggle but it can be done. Once again, here in Seattle its not out of necessity, its out of entitlement imo.

I can't wait until we can vote this jackass mayor out. 


Interesting take.
I once worked a case that had me practically living in the area for six months. Now this was before the Four Seasons Residences, Escala and the other high end towers that have been built fairly recently, so it was off the Bellevue I went.
Anyway...son of a bit*h. I've never seen do many high dollar folk doing their absolute best to look like $1.15. Seriously.
But the thing that struck me most was the attitude. It was a strange mix of laid back and fu*k you look at me.
Just weird.


Posted By: Bored w/Out Me?
Date Posted: May 01 2014 at 11:44pm
$15.00 can live, play and eat in Seattle....You need to write a manual cause I want to know how???


Posted By: Bored w/Out Me?
Date Posted: May 01 2014 at 11:46pm
Originally posted by ragincajin ragincajin wrote:

Originally posted by gabi03 gabi03 wrote:

Sigh... this won't end well here for small businesses. A bunch of entitled spoiled white brats who want to work less but stick their hands out for more money. With tips some of these folks make up to $20 an hour excluding medical and 401k contributions by their employer. You can make less than $15 and live, eat, and play in the city, but honestly here its greed, they want more and more, but they don't wanna put in the work. Not true for everyone but here in Seattle, because some really do struggle but there are programs here to assist you with food, medical, education, training... I've been on that side of the fence, I know the struggle but it can be done. Once again, here in Seattle its not out of necessity, its out of entitlement imo.

I can't wait until we can vote this jackass mayor out. 


Interesting take.
I once worked a case that had me practically living in the area for six months. Now this was before the Four Seasons Residences, Escala and the other high end towers that have been built fairly recently, so it was off the Bellevue I went.
Anyway...son of a bit*h. I've never seen do many high dollar folk doing their absolute best to look like $1.15. Seriously.
But the thing that struck me most was the attitude. It was a strange mix of laid back and fu*k you look at me.
Just weird.



I hate bellevue and you read the stank on most of them perfectly


Posted By: demilee27
Date Posted: May 01 2014 at 11:56pm
So if min wage goes up, does that mean county, government and non profit job wages will go up? Because Im gonna be pissed if it doesn't. That will mean that I spent 3 years in school to get a masters degree, racked up tens of thousands of dollars in student loans, just to be making $2 more than minimum wage??? I might as well not go for my PhD... I'll just wait a few years because the min wage will increase again and I wouldn't have to incur any debt


Posted By: ragincajin
Date Posted: May 02 2014 at 12:03am
Originally posted by Bored w/Out Me? Bored w/Out Me? wrote:

Originally posted by ragincajin ragincajin wrote:

Originally posted by gabi03 gabi03 wrote:

Sigh... this won't end well here for small businesses. A bunch of entitled spoiled white brats who want to work less but stick their hands out for more money. With tips some of these folks make up to $20 an hour excluding medical and 401k contributions by their employer. You can make less than $15 and live, eat, and play in the city, but honestly here its greed, they want more and more, but they don't wanna put in the work. Not true for everyone but here in Seattle, because some really do struggle but there are programs here to assist you with food, medical, education, training... I've been on that side of the fence, I know the struggle but it can be done. Once again, here in Seattle its not out of necessity, its out of entitlement imo.

I can't wait until we can vote this jackass mayor out. 


Interesting take.
I once worked a case that had me practically living in the area for six months. Now this was before the Four Seasons Residences, Escala and the other high end towers that have been built fairly recently, so it was off the Bellevue I went.
Anyway...son of a bit*h. I've never seen do many high dollar folk doing their absolute best to look like $1.15. Seriously.
But the thing that struck me most was the attitude. It was a strange mix of laid back and fu*k you look at me.
Just weird.



I hate bellevue and you read the stank on most of them perfectly


Damn but that's the word for it too- stank. Just weird.


Posted By: gabi03
Date Posted: May 02 2014 at 12:05am
Originally posted by Bored w/Out Me? Bored w/Out Me? wrote:

Originally posted by ragincajin ragincajin wrote:

Originally posted by gabi03 gabi03 wrote:

Sigh... this won't end well here for small businesses. A bunch of entitled spoiled white brats who want to work less but stick their hands out for more money. With tips some of these folks make up to $20 an hour excluding medical and 401k contributions by their employer. You can make less than $15 and live, eat, and play in the city, but honestly here its greed, they want more and more, but they don't wanna put in the work. Not true for everyone but here in Seattle, because some really do struggle but there are programs here to assist you with food, medical, education, training... I've been on that side of the fence, I know the struggle but it can be done. Once again, here in Seattle its not out of necessity, its out of entitlement imo.

I can't wait until we can vote this jackass mayor out. 


Interesting take.
I once worked a case that had me practically living in the area for six months. Now this was before the Four Seasons Residences, Escala and the other high end towers that have been built fairly recently, so it was off the Bellevue I went.
Anyway...son of a bit*h. I've never seen do many high dollar folk doing their absolute best to look like $1.15. Seriously.
But the thing that struck me most was the attitude. It was a strange mix of laid back and fu*k you look at me.
Just weird.




I hate bellevue and you read the stank on most of them perfectly

LOL Pretty much, I avoid the east side like the plague unless I need something from Bellevue Square. 


Posted By: rell85
Date Posted: May 02 2014 at 12:22am
That's good but im sure they won't get 40hrs anymore so things will work itself out.


Posted By: ragincajin
Date Posted: May 02 2014 at 12:40am
Originally posted by demilee27 demilee27 wrote:

So if min wage goes up, does that mean county, government and non profit job wages will go up? Because Im gonna be pissed if it doesn't. That will mean that I spent 3 years in school to get a masters degree, racked up tens of thousands of dollars in student loans, just to be making $2 more than minimum wage??? I might as well not go for my PhD... I'll just wait a few years because the min wage will increase again and I wouldn't have to incur any debt


If that doctorate of letters is calling your name, by all means, answer the call. But first, cool your jets Demilee and recall your Econ 101. Then...get ready to watch the slide.

Remember, government produces nothing. This is, at its core, another unfunded mandate. And where pray tell does private industry mitigate potential losses for compliance with the regulatory environment's rulings, policy implementations, etc.? Why on the pass through to the consumer of course.

Look at your cable bill for example. Find the place where you're paying to help them recoup their costs for the regulations they are forced to comply with- such as the franchise fee. In short, no company is going to eat this. You are.

In the beginning, people will be excited and will think that they're getting more. Then...they'll pay more because everything will cost more. And in the end, they'll be exactly where they started.

Get ready for the wave-cum-tsunami when the motion begins. Believe this...the rich...will remain and grow ever richer. And the poor, as Jesus said, "you will have amongst you always."

Shareholders don't give a single fu*k about a living wage. They are about profits. As William Henry Vanderbilt said, "The public be damned!"



Posted By: gabi03
Date Posted: May 02 2014 at 12:55am
Originally posted by ms_wonderland ms_wonderland wrote:

why do you think it's entitlement @ gabi?  that's still like 2k after taxes if you work full time....that's not a lot of money.  what's the price of the avg 1 bedroom apt there?  if you make over 1200 a month or something like that you can't qualify for EBT so idk what assistance is going to help a working single person with no children.    

Avg rent depends on where you live, I've seen 1 bedrooms anywhere from $650 in the southend to up to $2500 around south lake union. I live inside the city and have never paid less than $820 for rent, and I'd say thats pretty average around here for a decent apartment. You can qualify for EBT with an income up to about $1600 a month here, I used to be on it, single with no children. I didn't get much but I shopped smart with coupons and could make it work. 

The entitlement statement came from my experiences with some of the people here, mostly white kids ages 18 - 30. Those who are black or latino are happy to see this increase but we've also known how to use resources available to us to be able to live. I guess for us the struggle isn't new but for these young white kids they aren't used to having to struggle a little bit and now they're mad they can't get what they want and that they have to work for it.  


Posted By: ms_wonderland
Date Posted: May 02 2014 at 1:00am
ok I get what you mean...so all the young white people are having sticker shock at the cost of life so things just had to change immediately.

SF minimum wage is 10.55 so it will probably be at $15 6 years from now(did i read it would reach that in Seattle by 2020?) and SF's unemployment rate has dropped and is below the state + national average...the increase didn't have a negative impact on employment or the local economy.


Posted By: gabi03
Date Posted: May 02 2014 at 1:09am
Originally posted by ms_wonderland ms_wonderland wrote:

ok I get what you mean...so all the young white people are having sticker shock at the cost of life so things just had to change immediately.

SF minimum wage is 10.55 so it will probably be at $15 6 years from now(did i read it would reach that in Seattle by 2020?) and SF's unemployment rate is below the state average...the increase didn't have a negative impact on employment or the local economy.

Exactly. Things were fine as long as white people weren't impacted by the economy, now they're feeling the pinch and can't handle. Those idiots are still out in the streets right now "protesting" and causing damage that they won't have to clean up and a few businesses closed early thus sending employees home without a complete days pay. They're selfish and care about no one else but themselves. But thats a whole different topic LOL


Posted By: ragincajin
Date Posted: May 02 2014 at 1:36am
Originally posted by gabi03 gabi03 wrote:

Avg rent depends on where you live, I've seen 1 bedrooms anywhere from $650 in the southend to up to $2500 around south lake union. I live inside the city and have never paid less than $820 for rent, and I'd say thats pretty average around here for a decent apartment.


So right.
I spent the last several weeks splitting time between downtown Vancouver and downtown Bellevue. Vancouver's west end has always been ridiculous, but Bellevue is now just an outrage.

I hardly ever know or pay attention to where I'm staying. I expected the Marriott or Westin as usual. But since I have the single greatest secretary in the world, I got plunked into a condo this time around.

I really liked the condo and wondered what something like it might sell for. Good thing I was sitting down when I saw pricing- anywhere from $472 to $618 per square foot. I laughed out loud. On top of the list price, the monthly HOA fees were $0.53 per sq foot. Wtf?

Now you tell me: What's on the mind of folk who build towers for an exclusive few? Not a damned thing except the money. All white folk, a few Arabs and a few Asians in that place. Suckers. Anything for image.

I do hope that the gov't will keep time to the music where people on assistance programs and such are concerned. I think about the people who clean our offices and make lunches and what not. Don't give to them with one hand and take from them with the other.

I guess I have no faith in the market or the gov't because I know that business will do whatever is necessary to protect the shareholders. And that never equals good news for the common man.


Posted By: *Belle*Femme*
Date Posted: May 02 2014 at 7:48am
how much they paying rn's?


Posted By: Bored w/Out Me?
Date Posted: May 02 2014 at 8:05am
Originally posted by *Belle*Femme* *Belle*Femme* wrote:

how much they paying rn's?




$30 and up...


Posted By: Bored w/Out Me?
Date Posted: May 02 2014 at 8:11am
Originally posted by gabi03 gabi03 wrote:

Avg rent depends on where you live, I've seen 1 bedrooms anywhere from $650 in the southend to up to $2500 around south lake union. I live inside the city and have never paid less than $820 for rent, and I'd say thats pretty average around here for a decent apartment.




I've never seen rent in the City for $820, You must live downtown cause in the CD they asking $1200 or more for a decent apartment...



Posted By: blaquefoxx
Date Posted: May 02 2014 at 8:20am
Originally posted by rell85 rell85 wrote:

That's good but im sure they won't get 40hrs anymore so things will work itself out.

This lol. Be prepared to get $15 an hour, work 4 hours a day and have the amount of staff get cut in half...


Posted By: zolloh
Date Posted: May 02 2014 at 8:22am
A lot of people scream for increased min wage with short sightedness and dont understand the economics behind it. Think that $3 value meal @ McDonalds will still be $3 when they have to inc salaries from $7 to $10/hr? Food and gas prices are always first to take a hit.

Not to mention how many people will lose their jobs. Business owners will have to reduce workforce to be able to pay those higher wages + benefits and likely the group to be cut will the people currently making that $7 and their jobs swallowed up by those currently making $10. Also just because the min wage is increased doesnt mean the rest are also getting increases, what are those currently making $10 going to get? A >40% increase in pay to the bottom but not to the rest is hardly "fair", since thats always the reasoning used by those wanting the inc.

Im glad the $10.10 min wage bill died in the senate this week.


Posted By: JasmineE02
Date Posted: May 02 2014 at 11:35am
The CBO did do research on this.  You can look at their estimates of job loss, etc.  It's pretty thorough. 

http://www.cbo.gov/publication/44995" rel="nofollow - http://www.cbo.gov/publication/44995


Posted By: gabi03
Date Posted: May 02 2014 at 3:01pm
Originally posted by Bored w/Out Me? Bored w/Out Me? wrote:

Originally posted by gabi03 gabi03 wrote:

Avg rent depends on where you live, I've seen 1 bedrooms anywhere from $650 in the southend to up to $2500 around south lake union. I live inside the city and have never paid less than $820 for rent, and I'd say thats pretty average around here for a decent apartment.




I've never seen rent in the City for $820, You must live downtown cause in the CD they asking $1200 or more for a decent apartment...


Whoa its that expensive in the CD now?! I live in Columbia City and the $800's is pretty normal but more and more whites are moving into the neighborhood and rent is quickly rising. I've got some friends who live in Cap Hill who pay around $900, some friends who live out in Lake City that pay around $700, and the ones who stay downtown pay around $800 or so. I'd say by next year you won't be able to find a decent apartment in the city for less than $900 a month at this rate. Its almost cheaper to rent a home at this point.


Posted By: Bored w/Out Me?
Date Posted: May 02 2014 at 5:28pm
Yeah, they have taken over the CD too...all they little Bistro's in Columbia City, like they trying to make their own Parree (Paris)




Posted By: EPITOME
Date Posted: May 02 2014 at 5:44pm
Originally posted by zolloh zolloh wrote:

A lot of people scream for increased min wage with short sightedness and dont understand the economics behind it. Think that $3 value meal @ McDonalds will still be $3 when they have to inc salaries from $7 to $10/hr? Food and gas prices are always first to take a hit.

Not to mention how many people will lose their jobs. Business owners will have to reduce workforce to be able to pay those higher wages + benefits and likely the group to be cut will the people currently making that $7 and their jobs swallowed up by those currently making $10. Also just because the min wage is increased doesnt mean the rest are also getting increases, what are those currently making $10 going to get? A >40% increase in pay to the bottom but not to the rest is hardly "fair", since thats always the reasoning used by those wanting the inc.

Im glad the $10.10 min wage bill died in the senate this week.


good people will stop eating McDonalds and buy fruits and veggies



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