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Topic: How minorities were used to stop black progression
Posted By: Marcelo22
Subject: How minorities were used to stop black progression
Date Posted: Feb 22 2014 at 11:13am
And Dr. Claud Anderson talks about it in this video at around 25:00-27:00



This is the document he is talking about and I posted the key points but the whole thing is interesting.

http://www.nixonlibrary.gov/virtuallibrary/releases/jul10/53.pdf" rel="nofollow - http://www.nixonlibrary.gov/virtuallibrary/releases/jul10/53.pdf

The Nixon Administration. 

As you have candidly acknowledged. the relation of the adminis­tration to the black population is a problem. I think it ought also to be acknowledged that we are a long way from solving it. During the 
past year intense efforts have been made by the administration to develop programs that will be of help to the blacks. I dare say, as much or more time and attention goes into this effort in this adminis­
tration than any in history. But little has corne of it. There has been a great deal of political ineptness in some Departments. and you have been the loser. I don't know what you can do about this. Perhaps nothing. But I do have four suggestions. 



Second. The time may have come when the issue of race could 
benefit from a period of "benign neglect". The subject has been too 
much talked about. The forum has been too much taken over to 
hysterics, paranoids, and boodlers on all sides. We may need a 
period in which Negro progress continues and racial rhetoric fades. 
The administration can help bring this about by paying close attention 
to such progress - - as we are doing - - while seeking to avoid situations 
in which extremists of either race are given opportunities for martyr­
dom, heroics, histrionics or whatever. Greater attention to Indians, 
Mexican Americans and Puerto Ricans would be useful. A tendency 
to ignore provocations from groups such as the Black Panthers might 
also be useful. (The Panthers were apparently almost defunct until 
the Chicago police raided one of their headquarters and transformed 
them into culture heroes for the white -- and black -- middle class. 
You perhaps did not note on the society page of yesterday's Times 
that Mrs. Leonard Bernstein gave a cocktail party on Wednesday to 
raise money for the Panthers. Mrs. W. Vincent Astor was among the 
guests. Mrs. Peter Duchin, !!the rich blond wife of the orchestra 
leader" was thrilled. "I've never met a Panther, II she said. This is 
a first for me. ") 



Fourth. There is a silent black majority as well as a white one. 
It is mostly working class, as against lower middle class. It is 
politically moderate (on issues other than racial equality) and shares 
most of the concerns of its white counterpart. This group has been 
generally ignored by the government, and the media. The more 
recognition we can give to it, the better off we shall all be. (I would 
take it, for example, that Ambassador Holland is a natural leader of 
this segment of the black community. There are others like him. ) 

Daniel P. Moynihan


Shocked The 2nd point is basically about "post-racial America" and putting attention on other minorities such as women and gays (comparing the gay movement to Civil Rights, splitting up black men and black women by pushing black feminist ideology). The 4th point is about letting the coons and middle class blacks of society get a nice lil job and a little house outside the hood so they will tell the rest of black people that everything is better now, racism is over so lets integrate and give our money to whitey..bascially become complacent Shocked



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Posted By: Alias_Avi
Date Posted: Feb 22 2014 at 3:46pm
Didn't know he was the author of Black Labor, White Wealth!

I've been reading that book every time I go to the bookstore
One of these days I'll stop being cheap and buy it lol


Posted By: newdiva1
Date Posted: Feb 22 2014 at 3:48pm
Is this a repost or is this a new vid?


Why didn't u just bump your other thread?


Posted By: ragincajin
Date Posted: Feb 22 2014 at 5:58pm
Dr. Anderson has some very good and real points, but I have mixed feeling about this speech.
Certain parts of it are typical blame-the-blacks vitriol.
He is a very bright man, but when there are whites in his audiences, he finds ways to play to them.
The deference is slight, and cleverly couched in humor, but is there just the same.
Why mention that he has white folk in his family, and several sets of white friends, except to make the yt’s feel a little comfortable with him?
But then, I understand that this is sometimes what we have to do to get to where we want to be.

Whites do use successful blacks as poster children. "See, we are not racist, egotistical, arrogant, self-serving bastards. Look how far these people got in life. You need to do what they've done and all your troubles will be over! Problem solved."
Yeah they’ll let a few of us into a few top positions, etc., but they remind us every step of the way that we are NOT like them and that we are ONLY there by their good graces. It's the equivalent to patting us little Negroes on the head and throwing us a handful of scraps.


Agree with:

@37:21 “It is wealth that determines where you can go and can’t go. It is what you own and control that determines your competitiveness.”

100% true.

Do not agree:

@ 28:12
“If I were a white male right now, I would go get into a minority program. You know why? Because the white male is one of the biggest minorities in the county.” (Showing his neck to whitey. Subliminally saying “I feel your pain. I understand that you are deserving of sympathy.”)

@33:00 “That’s not white people against you. It’s your own people who won’t do the things they’re supposed to do for you.” (Again, absolving whites of responsibility for their atrocities against black, while blaming blacks for white imposed impotence. This is fallacy and is out of context. It is a true fact that there are things we cannot do because we do not have the means. No black person should be helping to deal a stacked deck against us.)

@33:24 “You got a black city manager, Howard Gary down there. He’s in Jet Magazine bragging about how he’s the only black city manager. Why don’t you ask him to do something?” (Favorite strategy of whites- blame the black for the entirety of black problems in America. Absolve yourselves of any responsibility. Even better if you can use another black to do it. Ironic isn’t it? When’s the last time you saw a Jew or Chinese person lambaste one of their own in public? Answer: Never!)

@33:36 “I provided ten million dollars for them.” Lie.
Do you think it was Dr. Anderson who green-lighted that grant? Absolutely not! He could only provide what he was authorized to provide. Money that bureaucrats wanted to give. At the end of the day, white folk will spout the same mantra: “See. We gave money to help you blacks. Why are you still in dire straits? We’ve done our part.”
Again, this is white folk making us dance by shooting bullets at our feet.

@35:13 “Black people don’t want to help their own people.”
This is simply not true. We’re like Houdini. All bound up in chains and blamed for moving slowly.


Posted By: Alias_Avi
Date Posted: Feb 22 2014 at 6:58pm
I wholeheartedly agree with you ragin, in fact I meant to point that out in the last thread.

He contradicted himself if yhe same sentence. How can he blame the lack of progress Blacks have made in the political arena solely on Black politicians by absolving whites of any responsibility and in the next breath say it's because Black politicians are forced to remain silent on Black issues for fear of being shut down?

And who exactly would be shutting them down and why exactly?


Posted By: ragincajin
Date Posted: Feb 22 2014 at 8:35pm
Originally posted by Alias_Avi Alias_Avi wrote:

I wholeheartedly agree with you ragin, in fact I meant to point that out in the last thread.

He contradicted himself if yhe same sentence. How can he blame the lack of progress Blacks have made in the political arena solely on Black politicians by absolving whites of any responsibility and in the next breath say it's because Black politicians are forced to remain silent on Black issues for fear of being shut down?

And who exactly would be shutting them down and why exactly?


Exactly Alias. Sometimes we can be our own worst enemies and that is on us. We know it and admit it. But to absolve whitey of his crimes is ridiculous.

The genesis of our troubles, and continued troubles, in AmeriKKKa is an impossible story to tell without whitey being front and center.


Posted By: naturesgift
Date Posted: Feb 23 2014 at 8:42pm
You mean like the RAP MUSIC AND MEDIA reps. we have now these (Nijas like @ chains and Kanye west are trying to ruin or nation)


Posted By: femmefatale85
Date Posted: Feb 23 2014 at 9:33pm
going to see if his books are in any libraries


Posted By: PurrPoZe
Date Posted: Feb 23 2014 at 11:32pm
Alias and ragin did we watch the same video? I saw no contradictions or any catering to white people.


Ragin, him mentioning white people being upset and applying for minority benefits had everything to do with how the agenda to have fair competition for black people to get fair opportunities has been completely been replaced with a "minority agenda". Taking focus off of the wealth of free labor of black people, and the civil rights movement. He wasn't saying that whites should feel angry for blacks getting opportunities based on race/systematic racism/the white head start . He explained this.

Secondly, waiting for white people to take responsibility does nothing for the black race! His stance on black politicians was to show that they have NO passion for black people. Those unsaid rules he spoke of about ....never speaking of black issues to me meant that these politicians are more concerned with being successful in american politics rather than being concerned with the state of black people. And that's a widely accepted mentality but again, it does not help the black community. Did you listen to his remedy? Group economics! Black wealth would allow these politicians to be wealthy and feel successful if black wealth was more common. And even before the wealth comes...amongst all of the corruption theses politicians cant secretly force a black agenda? Or is it that it's never been attempted because of the risk of being labeled a black activist? The point of it all is we vision and passion

White people used and abused us....and instead of accepting the defeat and trying to rebuild, we're expecting them to do it for us?? It's a fantasy. His speech has solidified everything I've ever thought about our situation. Yes they fcked us, yes we are suffering because it...but this game that they play...we need to start playing it too. His bit about seafood had me applauding him. A fcking Asian run seafood joint just opened in my neighborhood...all the liquor stores beauty supply, and carryouts are ran by foreigners. I believe that our situation makes it hard for black businesses but I do not believe we're even trying.

I really loved this..he spoke nothing but the truth. Never did he ever stray from speaking truth to the black audience...but I guess the truth comes to some people before they are ready. I have so much more to say about it. Seriously thank you OPut I do not believe we're even trying.


Posted By: mrshairdo
Date Posted: Feb 23 2014 at 11:44pm
Originally posted by HaitianDiva64 HaitianDiva64 wrote:

Errthang purrpose said

yup


Posted By: HaitianDiva64
Date Posted: Feb 23 2014 at 11:46pm
Errthang purrpose said


Posted By: PurrPoZe
Date Posted: Feb 23 2014 at 11:55pm
Originally posted by mrshairdo mrshairdo wrote:

Originally posted by HaitianDiva64 HaitianDiva64 wrote:

Errthang purrpose said


yup


Thanks ladies. It's all about self preservation. Do we care more about the issues of the native Americans than we do about our people? No. We are in a civilized world but the game is very much primitive as far as race is concerned


Posted By: DiorShowGirl
Date Posted: Feb 24 2014 at 1:21am
everything he talked about was on point...mostly about businesses...Asians, spanish, arabs owning their own businesses and helping their own communities...so true..so true...

also the trust issue amongst us blacks when it comes to businesses...that is a major problem also..i go to these asian stores and they employ blacks, but not one black is on the register and if they r on the register there is an asian right there next to them while they ring up customers..

blacks don;t want to pay for the price of the item, always want to bargain with the owners to pay a cheaper price. So being a black business owner isn;t always a great thing also..

but i love everything he talked about and too bad if he hurt some feelings....


Posted By: Alias_Avi
Date Posted: Feb 24 2014 at 2:36am
I'm not gonna speak for ragin but let me just say that I have no problem with Dr. Anderson calling out Black people for not taking responsibility for our part in our problems... Hi, I'm Alias Smile

What I have a problem with is his pacifying his words for the comfort of the White audience members. He mentioned "it's not your fault White people" way too many times for my liking but worst of all, it's simply not true.

Being honest about how the racist climate Whites have created is not the same thing as appealing to the moral consciousness of the White group, it's simply stating the facts. I'm tired of Black people blaming Black people for living in a racist culture. We can not shoulder ALL the responsibility of not having a better off community because it's simply not realistic when you're thee targeted racial minority in a country where the majority are hell bent on sabotaging your group success. That is done by threatening and/or intimidating any Black person who falls into any level of political power.

You fail to see that stating this is not absolving Black politicians for being intimidated and ignoring their responsibilities to their voters.

Let me say this again because I'm sure someone might overlook this....
This is not absolving Black politicians for being intimidated and ignoring their responsibilities to their voters.

However, this IS being honest about the part the racist White group plays in shaping the political climate in which Blacks feel the need to ignore their own (what's wrong with coming right out and saying "Hey White people, because your group is so staunchly insecure, hateful and racist, you have create a climate where successful Black politicians feel pressured to ignoring their people"). What's wrong is that he's not bold enough to say that. Instead he says "it's not White people against you, it's your own people" which is a half-truth and a full lie.

16:58 - He admits that there are "taboos" for Black politicians elected to office... 1. You can't talk about "Black issues" (coughObamacough). However, no mention of why that is (because White people obviously don't want Black people to have any benefits in any capacity).

29:20 - He implies that Black people have a lack of benefits because our Civil Rights leaders failed to ask for what they specifically needed. Okay, let's play stupid along with White people and pretend that we don't know that Black people wanted to be treated like they paid taxes like everyone else. C'mon man! Just state their part in it all and then we can move on to personal responsibility!

I would feel different had he blatantly stated that these are the problems the Black community has all while knowing Whites are staunchly racist and will pretend they don't know that we wish to be treated as humanly as they treat themselves.

That's a different message than the one he gave ("White ppl, don't worry about it, just listen. Hey Black ppl, it's all our fault. "). Um.. no it's not.

All I wanted was balance.

It would be the perfect message without the slightest pacifying to Whites

Originally posted by PurrPoZe PurrPoZe wrote:

Alias and ragin did we watch the same video? I saw no contradictions or any catering to white people.


I hate the fact that I had to write such a long response to something that was so seemingly minor.
But, in hindsight, it's not minor. It's major. It's major to hold Whites accountable for the part they play in their racism and with how difficult they make it for "successful" Blacks to lift up their community.

Anyways, even if you disagree with me, kudos to all of you who actually took the time to listen to the whole thing


Posted By: HaitianDiva64
Date Posted: Feb 24 2014 at 5:26am
But Alis from the start he said he gives diff speeches accordin. To the crowd.

And for all tha5 human stuff, i thought he was saying we cant sit around waiting for whites to admitt their wrongs and treatus better. He said thats why if we were doing for us we wouldn't be worried about what they think and how they are treating us


Posted By: HaitianDiva64
Date Posted: Feb 24 2014 at 5:31am
And I looooooooooved the part where he said no other group begged for equality, they went out and created their own. If you look hispanics/latinos dont give a damn about equality they just want to stay here and make money and now they are the biggest group and the most catered to.

Asians, south asians every group you can think of create thier own nook. We are still fighting for a piece of the white ppls pie (this was a thread)

I get what your saying AA, but lso remember a lot of those whites were founders i think he did a good job straddling the line. More flys with honey


Posted By: Marcelo22
Date Posted: Feb 24 2014 at 5:39am
I think Dr. Claud knew exactly what he was saying with whites in the crowd. We'll never have real, strong leaders again cause the people who should be following always got something to disagree with.


Posted By: ragincajin
Date Posted: Feb 24 2014 at 5:46pm
Alias and PuurPoze,
You guys are super awesome and this discourse is provocative.
But, from beginning to end, please consider this: How many speeches do yt people, of Dr. Anderson's caliber, deliver in an apologist tone to blacks? How many?


Posted By: ragincajin
Date Posted: Feb 24 2014 at 9:38pm
Originally posted by PurrPoZe PurrPoZe wrote:

Alias and ragin did we watch the same video? I saw no contradictions or any catering to white people.


Ragin, him mentioning white people being upset and applying for minority benefits had everything to do with how the agenda to have fair competition for black people to get fair opportunities has been completely been replaced with a "minority agenda". Taking focus off of the wealth of free labor of black people, and the civil rights movement. He wasn't saying that whites should feel angry for blacks getting opportunities based on race/systematic racism/the white head start . He explained this.

Understood. However, his argument is delivered with a spoonful of sugar- for the white people. That 'black interests' have been replaced with 'minority interests' is not in dispute. My interest was piqued not because Dr. Anderson's message was errant, but because it was delivered with deference. When has a white speaker, of Dr. Anderson's caliber, ever had to be so deferential to us? It simply does not happen.



Secondly, waiting for white people to take responsibility does nothing for the black race!

Agreed. I have oft said that we'll die a slow death waiting for white folk to do anything in any interests other than their own.

His stance on black politicians was to show that they have NO passion for black people. Those unsaid rules he spoke of about ....never speaking of black issues to me meant that these politicians are more concerned with being successful in american politics rather than being concerned with the state of black people. And that's a widely accepted mentality but again, it does not help the black community. Did you listen to his remedy?

Yes. Listened and agreed. This is circular logic without the circle. Without contextual bearing, how can one fully explain black political impotence in America? The reason he can't find a black politician willing to stand up for SOLELY for blacks, is the exact same reason that he cannot give a speech without showing deference to white people. It is all the same straight jacket with white people tying the laces. Prime example: President Obama. Why has Obama been subjected to a standard that no other president has ever had to bear? Short answer: Status quo. The 43 presidencies that proceeded Obama's were all white. Which of those presidents ever had to say a single word about the interests of whites? None. Why? Foregone conclusion. Whites first, everyone else? Oh well.

Group economics!
Agreed. Never disputed.

Black wealth would allow these politicians to be wealthy and feel successful if black wealth was more common. And even before the wealth comes...amongst all of the corruption theses politicians cant secretly force a black agenda? Or is it that it's never been attempted because of the risk of being labeled a black activist? The point of it all is we vision and passion

White people used and abused us....and instead of accepting the defeat and trying to rebuild, we're expecting them to do it for us??

I don't know a single black person who is waiting for white folk to collectively sigh, admit corruption, then turn over new leaves starting the very next moment. I do know a lot of black people who lament the lack of access to real money and power. We all know that it is held in the hands of a small, overwhelmingly white majority, whose only interests are amassing more wealth and power. Period.

It's a fantasy.
You are correct.

His speech has solidified everything I've ever thought about our situation. Yes they fcked us, yes we are suffering because it...but this game that they play...we need to start playing it too.

Here's where we part company a bit. We will never win by playing the same game white people play because the rules weren’t written for us. We need a game with rules not written by them. Unless and until that happens...we still lose. This speaks to his point about why other races don't seek 'equality' with yts. They know the system is rigged. Dr. Anderson knows this too. But he is right to plant the seed, even if he knows whites own all the water rights. What seed can flourish without water? We have to shift perspectives.

His bit about seafood had me applauding him. A fcking Asian run seafood joint just opened in my neighborhood...all the liquor stores beauty supply, and carryouts are ran by foreigners. I believe that our situation makes it hard for black businesses but I do not believe we're even trying.

Fact: It is easier for the Asian to get a loan to open a business than it is for blacks to do the very same thing even when it’s their own neighborhood. Example: Look to studies on the types of mortgage rates that blacks, with excellent credit, are steered towards versus whites with less than excellent credit. As an aside, look up Philip Guo if you have a chance. He’s and Asian MIT grad who admitted that he was shown preference/deference that he did not deserve/earn simply because he was Asian.

I really loved this..he spoke nothing but the truth.

Yes...and no.

Never did he ever stray from speaking truth to the black audience...but I guess the truth comes to some people before they are ready.

Truth is objective. For instance, it is raining, or it isn't. It is 50 degrees outside, or it isn't. To whom should Dr. Anderson have to tailor messages on rain and temperature in order to make either so?

Seriously thank you OPut I do not believe we're even trying.


There are those who are not trying...but not all. Say what you will, but we are a resilient kind. We are still here.

By the way, do you think white folk in attendance at the speech went home to discuss this the way we are today? Not a chance. Why? Because they can literally live all their lives without thinking about us because the power structure is theirs to govern. We, on the other hand, have to know all about them in order to move and have our being. That…I hate.

There is truth in Dr. Anderson's speech, just not the whole of it. I am tired of coddling white folk at the expense of black folk. Real tired.


eta:
http://www.npr.org/2014/01/23/265239095/people-assumed-i-was-a-tech-whiz-because-im-asian" rel="nofollow - People Assumed I Was A Tech Whiz Because I'm Asian


Posted By: ragincajin
Date Posted: Feb 24 2014 at 9:45pm
Originally posted by Alias_Avi Alias_Avi wrote:

I hate the fact that I had to write such a long response to something that was so seemingly minor.
But, in hindsight, it's not minor.


Story of our lives Alias...story of our lives.


Posted By: newdiva1
Date Posted: Feb 24 2014 at 10:23pm
Originally posted by DiorShowGirl DiorShowGirl wrote:

everything he talked about was on point...mostly about businesses...Asians, spanish, arabs owning their own businesses and helping their own communities...so true..so true...

also the trust issue amongst us blacks when it comes to businesses...that is a major problem also..i go to these asian stores and they employ blacks, but not one black is on the register and if they r on the register there is an asian right there next to them while they ring up customers..

blacks don;t want to pay for the price of the item, always want to bargain with the owners to pay a cheaper price. So being a black business owner isn;t always a great thing also..

but i love everything he talked about and too bad if he hurt some feelings....



yesterday a friend of mine tole me a story about a friend of hers that is always tryna help the brothers.  He owns a contracting business.  He always tries to get bruhs that he knows needs a little change to handle some jobs.  Painting etc.  

She said that she had to hear from a female friend of hers (who utilized her male friends contracting services) about one of these dudes tryna hit on her while he was over painting her rooms.  She was very uncomfortable because he kept asking her if she had a man and wouldn't drop it.  Not to say that this is all folks but what i'm getting at is professionalism.  Why is it such a prollem for ...some black businesses?   The man had keys to her house so he could work while she was not there.  She ended up leaving and once the job was done she changed the locks.

We need to support our own but we also need professionalism a part of this.  I don't mind paying more for a product if it's from a black owned business but do me right.  Treat me like you would treat a white person coming into your shop.


Posted By: ragincajin
Date Posted: Feb 24 2014 at 10:38pm
Originally posted by newdiva1 newdiva1 wrote:

We need to support our own but we also need professionalism a part of this.  I don't mind paying more for a product if it's from a black owned business but do me right.  Treat me like you would treat a white person coming into your shop.


Well said.


Posted By: Alias_Avi
Date Posted: Feb 25 2014 at 1:51am
Originally posted by HaitianDiva64 HaitianDiva64 wrote:

And I looooooooooved the part where he said no other group begged for equality, they went out and created their own.



Originally posted by Alias_Avi Alias_Avi wrote:

Being honest about how the racist climate Whites have created is not the same thing as appealing to the moral consciousness of the White group, it's simply stating the facts. I'm tired of Black people blaming Black people for living in a racist culture. We can not shoulder ALL the responsibility of not having a better off community because it's simply not realistic when you're thee targeted racial minority in a country where the majority are hell bent on sabotaging your group success.



I never said or insinuated that Black people should "beg" for equality (and I know you never said I did) but we should never stop vocalizing how their racism is not natural and is a factor in our lives. Black people taking White racism in stride and silence is not to our benefit.




Originally posted by HaitianDiva64 HaitianDiva64 wrote:

If you look hispanics/latinos dont give a damn about equality they just want to stay here and make money and now they are the biggest group and the most catered to.

Asians, south asians every group you can think of create thier own nook. We are still fighting for a piece of the white ppls pie (this was a thread)

I get what your saying AA, but lso remember a lot of those whites were founders i think he did a good job straddling the line. More flys with honey


http://www.racefiles.com/2012/05/04/blackness-is-the-fulcrum/" rel="nofollow - Blackness being the fulcrum makes it easier for non-Black people of color to slip in the system and do better collectively because the heat of White supremacy is focused on us. They are not catered to solely because of their wealth but because the are the rising demographic.

You can not group South Asians from wartorn countries who now live in American ghettos like many of us in with East Asian descended Asian Americans who are living off the so-called privilege of the model minority myth. Very different groups




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