Print Page | Close Window

Would You Kill Your Child if God Told You To?

Printed From: Black Hair Media Forum
Category: Lets Talk
Forum Name: Talk, Talk, and More Talk
Forum Description: In this Forum, the talk is about everything that can be talked about.
URL: http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=368575
Printed Date: Oct 21 2017 at 1:52am


Topic: Would You Kill Your Child if God Told You To?
Posted By: tatee
Subject: Would You Kill Your Child if God Told You To?
Date Posted: Feb 18 2014 at 5:18am
i thought this was an interesting question based off this upcoming documentary.  a yes or no answer would suffice.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWdZDZwh_nE" rel="nofollow -



start at 5:10 to 6:40
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHvUPoVMElY" rel="nofollow -




Replies:
Posted By: liesnalibis
Date Posted: Feb 18 2014 at 5:31am
I can't give a yes or no answer. I don't think God is directly telling us anything these days. If I did hear such a voice, how would I know it was God and not a delusion? So the "if God" part is problematic.

I'll watch the vids later.


Posted By: newdiva1
Date Posted: Feb 18 2014 at 5:46am
most people would not believe that it was God that tole u to kill your child.  After all ..he would never do that right?

You have examples of God ordering and co-signing some off the wall stuff in The Book but in the 2014 you would need more people.  When it's something like this (or any bad thing) more people would bring up mental illness as opposed to Divine orders.

*a didn't the watch vids post*


eta: to answer the question....considering what I believe this would not be asked of me.


Posted By: nitabug
Date Posted: Feb 18 2014 at 6:09am
He could do it himself. No need to make me an accomplice.


Posted By: jonesable
Date Posted: Feb 18 2014 at 6:17am
Tests are tailor made.


Posted By: carolina cutie
Date Posted: Feb 18 2014 at 6:47am
Originally posted by nitabug nitabug wrote:

He could do it himself. No need to make me an accomplice.
I'm laughing at the most inappropriate things on here lately.CryLOL


But no I could not. If the 1st time I heard God was when he told me to kill my child my first thought would be:
Confused Bill Cosby  - DA <img src=


Posted By: Midna
Date Posted: Feb 18 2014 at 6:52am
This is why I'm atheist.

I can't deal with the possibility a metaphysical being whose existence is only founded by my personal faith possibly "telling me" to kill my own kid and me having to actually question whether I would or wouldn't.

This should be an automatic no but I'm sad there are going to be people actually weighing their options in this hypothetical matter.

I hate to play the pigheaded atheist, but fucking whoa, what a question to ask.


Posted By: AshBash89
Date Posted: Feb 18 2014 at 6:53am
No,I defy God all of the time with my daily sinning and yet He still blessed me. I would seriously think that I had mental issues though.


Posted By: iliveforbhm
Date Posted: Feb 18 2014 at 7:01am
No. You're telling me to deny my humanity and for what reason would you do that. Yes, they could be a world destroyer or whatever but they can have a different path. I mean you are a being that exist outside of time and space, couldn't you talk to him and get him on the right path.
 
I'm just throwing scenarios why this would be even logical in the first place, but you allowed him/her to be born so why wouldn't you prevent this a long time.


Posted By: Princess Grace
Date Posted: Feb 18 2014 at 7:11am
I still feel a certain type of way about the Cain and Able story so nope Jr won't be dying by my hands. 


Posted By: newdiva1
Date Posted: Feb 18 2014 at 7:17am
Originally posted by iliveforbhm iliveforbhm wrote:

No. You're telling me to deny my humanity and for what reason would you do that. Yes, they could be a world destroyer or whatever but they can have a different path. I mean you are a being that exist outside of time and space, couldn't you talk to him and get him on the right path.
 
I'm just throwing scenarios why this would be even logical in the first place, but you allowed him/her to be born so why wouldn't you prevent this a long time.
 
 
 
Shiiiid ninj-...actually i'm gone go ahead and sit out the rest of the game.


Posted By: iliveforbhm
Date Posted: Feb 18 2014 at 7:17am
Originally posted by newdiva1 newdiva1 wrote:

Originally posted by iliveforbhm iliveforbhm wrote:

No. You're telling me to deny my humanity and for what reason would you do that. Yes, they could be a world destroyer or whatever but they can have a different path. I mean you are a being that exist outside of time and space, couldn't you talk to him and get him on the right path.
 
I'm just throwing scenarios why this would be even logical in the first place, but you allowed him/her to be born so why wouldn't you prevent this a long time.
 
 
 
Shiiiid ninj-...actually i'm gone go ahead and sit out the rest of the game.
 
Finally someone likes one of my posts.


Posted By: newdiva1
Date Posted: Feb 18 2014 at 7:20am
*chuckles* don't get excited. I ain't nobody.


Posted By: iliveforbhm
Date Posted: Feb 18 2014 at 7:23am
lmao...


Posted By: kfoxx1998
Date Posted: Feb 18 2014 at 7:59am
I remember the last thread asking this question.  SeansMommy said yes she would do whatever was asked. 

Only one or two people will say they would.  Most would tell him to GTFOOHWTB.


Posted By: iliveforbhm
Date Posted: Feb 18 2014 at 8:08am
Originally posted by kfoxx1998 kfoxx1998 wrote:

I remember the last thread asking this question.  SeansMommy said yes she would do whatever was asked. 

Only one or two people will say they would.  Most would tell him to GTFOOHWTB.
 
Cause we are not inhumane.


Posted By: Marcelo22
Date Posted: Feb 18 2014 at 8:22am
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2013/07/25/how-many-people-did-god-slaughter-in-the-bible-steve-wells-has-written-a-book-documenting-every-kill/" rel="nofollow - http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2013/07/25/how-many-people-did-god-slaughter-in-the-bible-steve-wells-has-written-a-book-documenting-every-kill/


Estimated totals


When the Bible doesn’t say how many were killed, I try to provide a reasonable estimate.

For example, the Bible says that Job’s ten children were killed in God and Satan’s bet. The Bible also says that all of Job’s slaves were killed, though it doesn’t say how many slaves Job owned. But since he was a wealthy man (“the greatest of all the men of the east”), he must have owned many slaves. So I guessed that fifty slaves were killed, and I gave both Satan and God credit for their killings.

I made similar estimates for the other killings when a number was not provided in the Bible. I tried to give an idea of my thinking for each estimate at the end of each killing account.

When there was no clear way to get a number directly from the Bible itself, I used estimates from Colin McEvedy and Richard Jones’ Atlas of World Population History.

Using these estimates, I came up with the following grand totals for the number killed by God and Satan in the Bible:

God: Approximately 25 million

Satan: 60








whose the real devil? Geek


Posted By: Derri
Date Posted: Feb 18 2014 at 8:31am
At this point in my journey, I would do it without fear. before I would have some hang ups.


God has told me to do lots of things that my ego did not want to agree with.
God talks to people all the time but no one recognizes God because the church (purposely) has made God seem so inaccessible. The Church creates more unbelief than anywhere else.
Everyone expects the heavens to open up and thunder to clap every time when God should speak. God is not a show off...that's a human ego trait. The majority of ppl can't hear God because they talk much louder and much more often. They refuse to turn themselves down because they are so consumed by their egos. Literally. And those ppl drown God out, and in true ego fashion turn around and say, God doesn't talk because God isn't real, we're the only ones that are here---we're our own God.

Faith isn't needed to make God real. God is real whether a man believes he is or not. And God still has mercy on even those who drown him out, who relish in purposely being (their minds' idea of) disrespectful, and who use their free will to separate themselves from humanity, nature, and God. Oppressing the world in the name of power and control. Sounds like a God complex.


Posted By: ThoughtCouture
Date Posted: Feb 18 2014 at 8:46am
Originally posted by tatee tatee wrote:

a yes or no answer would suffice.
 
no.
 
but i feel like this is a trick question...


Posted By: JoliePoufiasse
Date Posted: Feb 18 2014 at 8:48am
I guess he'd have to drag me to hell because I ain't obeying that command. No Sir.


Posted By: Lady ICE
Date Posted: Feb 18 2014 at 8:52am
if thats what you hear...it aint God.

lol @ whos the real devil. 
perhaps you should read the stories for yourself.



Posted By: iliveforbhm
Date Posted: Feb 18 2014 at 8:56am
What atheist hasn't read the bible? It will be a very low percentage of those who didn't. The whole story is allegorical and it shows the relationship between Satan(Prosecutor) and them working together.


Posted By: kfoxx1998
Date Posted: Feb 18 2014 at 9:00am
I have read the bible several times and I was expecting to see the story where he killed 40 children by having a bear maul them to death because they laughed at a fat man.  The bible authors are hilarious.  Great novel. 


Posted By: ThoughtCouture
Date Posted: Feb 18 2014 at 9:08am

although, i've read the Bible several times,  its really hard for me to even get past the book of genesis without my side eye activating repeatedly and rapidly...



Posted By: indiecat
Date Posted: Feb 18 2014 at 9:10am
Nope


Posted By: blackarosoe
Date Posted: Feb 18 2014 at 9:16am
Originally posted by AshBash89 AshBash89 wrote:

No,I defy God all of the time with my daily sinning and yet He still blessed me. I would seriously think that I had mental issues though.


Posted By: Jewelsnyc
Date Posted: Feb 18 2014 at 9:16am
I'd tell him to do it himself...he's god....he can do anything...why have me do it?? shuuu.


Posted By: kfoxx1998
Date Posted: Feb 18 2014 at 9:17am
Originally posted by ThoughtCouture ThoughtCouture wrote:

although, i've read the Bible several times,  its really hard for me to even get past the book of genesis without my side eye activating repeatedly and rapidly...



LOL


Posted By: afrokock
Date Posted: Feb 18 2014 at 11:24am
who?

G.O.D

GOD pt III

QBC


Posted By: PurplePhase
Date Posted: Feb 18 2014 at 11:44am
no. wouldn't even consider it.
(not even my imaginary child)


Posted By: ThoughtCouture
Date Posted: Feb 18 2014 at 11:48am
i wonder if the people who said yes...would also kill themselves if asked to do so by God...


Posted By: iliveforbhm
Date Posted: Feb 18 2014 at 11:49am
Who said yes to this debauchery?


Posted By: sweet_n_stuff04
Date Posted: Feb 18 2014 at 11:50am
No


Posted By: PurplePhase
Date Posted: Feb 18 2014 at 11:50am
Originally posted by ThoughtCouture ThoughtCouture wrote:

i wonder if the people who said yes...would also kill themselves if asked to do so by God...


I do remember this thread being done before a time or 2


Posted By: Marcelo22
Date Posted: Feb 18 2014 at 11:50am
Originally posted by ThoughtCouture ThoughtCouture wrote:

i wonder if the people who said yes...would also kill themselves if asked to do so by God...

LOL only 1 person said yes in here....everybody else knows God don't really tell them things Dead


Posted By: PurplePhase
Date Posted: Feb 18 2014 at 11:52am
Originally posted by Princess Grace Princess Grace wrote:

I still feel a certain type of way about the Cain and Able story so nope Jr won't be dying by my hands. 


I remember asking my dad if he'd kill me if god told him to (around age 4). Scary story.


Posted By: iliveforbhm
Date Posted: Feb 18 2014 at 11:54am
I checked Derri said she would do it. Da fcuk?!!! I would ask him logical questions (of course I would not do such a thing) If he keeps giving me on faith and shyt. I would knock him out.


Posted By: ThoughtCouture
Date Posted: Feb 18 2014 at 11:54am
i was actually talking about possibly the people from the video...which i didnt watch...lol


Posted By: coconess
Date Posted: Feb 18 2014 at 12:02pm
i would do anything the good lord tells me to. for he is my savior and he knows all. we are to do as he wishes and greatness will come to us for our sacrifices. 


Posted By: PurplePhase
Date Posted: Feb 18 2014 at 12:04pm
Originally posted by coconess coconess wrote:

i would do anything the good lord tells me to. for he is my savior and he knows all. we are to do as he wishes and greatness will come to us for our sacrifices. 

amen


Posted By: iliveforbhm
Date Posted: Feb 18 2014 at 12:13pm
Originally posted by coconess coconess wrote:

i would do anything the good lord tells me to. for he is my savior and he knows all. we are to do as he wishes and greatness will come to us for our sacrifices. 
 
ConfusedConfusedConfusedConfused
 
I would devour him
 
 
 
 
 


Posted By: Katrenia
Date Posted: Feb 18 2014 at 12:19pm
No. If I began to hear audible voices that instructed me to do such things, I'd think I'd had a mental break.


Posted By: SeducTress
Date Posted: Feb 18 2014 at 12:19pm
My mother would scalp me in a heartbeat. She's sold out for the Lord.

I'm a recovering Catholic, naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah. I wouldn't. And since he know's my heart I'd expect him to understand.Big smile


Posted By: PurplePhase
Date Posted: Feb 18 2014 at 12:23pm
Cry


Posted By: Princess Grace
Date Posted: Feb 18 2014 at 12:26pm
I side eye people who use bible defenses anyway....



I'm still waiting on him to tell my sister to send me my money she stole out my bank account, will that be whispered ever???


Posted By: JoliePoufiasse
Date Posted: Feb 18 2014 at 12:26pm
You know, I probably need to modify my answer somewhat. If the kid turns out to be the reincarnation of Chuckie, I'm not sure anymore...


Posted By: coconess
Date Posted: Feb 18 2014 at 12:27pm
(wasnt serious. I'm agnostic)


Posted By: PurplePhase
Date Posted: Feb 18 2014 at 12:28pm
Originally posted by Princess Grace Princess Grace wrote:

I'm still waiting on him to tell my sister to send me my money she stole out my bank account, will that be whispered ever???


LOL


girlll







Posted By: tatee
Date Posted: Feb 18 2014 at 12:33pm
in the video the guy poses the question to a man in front of his young son.  man, if my mother had answered in the affirmative when i was that kids age i woulda been sleeping with a steak knife, forever side-eying her and waiting for her to buck upLOL


Posted By: Mixer
Date Posted: Feb 18 2014 at 12:36pm
Originally posted by Princess Grace Princess Grace wrote:

I still feel a certain type of way about the Cain and Able story so nope Jr won't be dying by my hands. 
LOLI love your posts.


Posted By: iliveforbhm
Date Posted: Feb 18 2014 at 12:36pm
Originally posted by coconess coconess wrote:

(wasnt serious. I'm agnostic)
 
I was scared. We are both INTP's and aren't you a scorpio?


Posted By: coconess
Date Posted: Feb 18 2014 at 12:39pm
nope. im a cap
my moon is in scorpio though


Posted By: JoliePoufiasse
Date Posted: Feb 18 2014 at 12:41pm
I just might do it if I were to find out that my kid is a crazy ass serial killer rapist or something like that. But then again, not sure I'd need God to tell me to do it.


Posted By: iliveforbhm
Date Posted: Feb 18 2014 at 12:52pm
Originally posted by coconess coconess wrote:

nope. im a cap
my moon is in scorpio though
 
My moon sign is a cusp of scorpio and Aquarius.


Posted By: Derri
Date Posted: Feb 18 2014 at 12:54pm
Lol

What the question is really asking is, would you do what God says?

I saw the question as a metaphor because God wouldn't ask something of me that isn't relevant to the specific experiences on this particular journey.

I've had my version of 'kill your child'




Posted By: Random Thoughts
Date Posted: Feb 18 2014 at 12:56pm
Originally posted by Derri Derri wrote:

At this point in my journey, I would do it without fear. before I would have some hang ups.


God has told me to do lots of things that my ego did not want to agree with.



It's not your ego that has eroded. It's your sense of morality.


Posted By: Derri
Date Posted: Feb 18 2014 at 12:59pm
Explain yourself RT


Posted By: Marcelo22
Date Posted: Feb 18 2014 at 1:02pm
I respect your answers in this thread Derri.


Posted By: coconess
Date Posted: Feb 18 2014 at 1:04pm
i didnt know moons could be cusp


Posted By: iliveforbhm
Date Posted: Feb 18 2014 at 1:20pm
Originally posted by coconess coconess wrote:

i didnt know moons could be cusp
 
I was the one who figured it out. Smile


Posted By: nekamarie83
Date Posted: Feb 18 2014 at 1:24pm
Originally posted by nitabug nitabug wrote:

He could do it himself. No need to make me an accomplice.
Originally posted by carolina cutie carolina cutie wrote:

I'm laughing at the most inappropriate things on here lately.CryLOL

But no I could not. If the 1st time I heard God was when he told me to kill my child my first thought would be:

 
both of these. the moment god asks me to kill someone is the moment i seek help. 

cause i don't think that's god i'm hearin. LOL


Posted By: Mixer
Date Posted: Feb 18 2014 at 1:26pm
Damn neka.*peeks at avi*

Ok, my heart attack is over. Everyone return to your normal program.Sleepy


Posted By: iliveforbhm
Date Posted: Feb 18 2014 at 1:26pm
Shiiiiiidddddd, Saul lost kingship for not finishing off the enemies cattle and food. LOL


Posted By: afrokock
Date Posted: Feb 18 2014 at 1:35pm
id look god on the eye and say you couldnt even kill your own child, you had others do it for you

F.O.H bruh!!


Posted By: Mixer
Date Posted: Feb 18 2014 at 1:39pm
I love BHM's commentary on religion.


Posted By: AmiliaCabral
Date Posted: Feb 18 2014 at 1:39pm
Is my child on life support?

I'm not at that point where i can clearly discern God's voice from other voices like my own voice or something my mom would say, so nah. Talk to me when i get there.


Posted By: Random Thoughts
Date Posted: Feb 18 2014 at 1:46pm
Originally posted by Derri Derri wrote:

Explain yourself RT


I say your ego hasn't eroded because you so thoroughly know the thoughts of god and the thoughts of the majority of people who say they don't hear from god. Moreover, http://books.google.com/books?id=bk7PvNyfbHoC&pg=PA1857&lpg=PA1857&dq=Believers+estimates+of+Gods+beliefs+are+more+egocentric+than&source=bl&ots=kTRD3a1Mda&sig=YqsmNN-qdT_DgcA7XdeSowbVh3E&hl=en&sa=X&ei=qbIDU-e2Nc7IkAfawICQCQ&ved=0CFYQ6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q=Believers%20estimates%20of%20Gods%20beliefs%20are%20more%20egocentric%20than&f=false" rel="nofollow - the PNAS did a study around 2009 where they MRI'd dozens of people, religious, non-religious, monotheistic, polytheistic. When asked what god thought about a situation, the part of the brain that lit up was the part responsible for what the person thought, not the part of the brain responsible for what someone else thought. http://phys.org/news178819089.html" rel="nofollow - So very strong thoughts about what a god would think turned out to be more egocentric than thoughts about other people.

I say your morality has eroded since you admit that you used to have hangups over the thoughts of murdering a child for spiritual reasons, but now you would blindly follow the voice inside of you that you attribute as god. Therefore, you're no longer a moral agent or even practicing morality at all, since that involves making choices based on right and wrong, and not doing something simply because you were told to. You're a soldier following orders.




Posted By: Oladunni
Date Posted: Feb 18 2014 at 1:54pm
lol i asked my mom this question.. and she said not now....
Jesus said "it's finished" there's no need for  human sacrifice after him... LOL


Posted By: afrokock
Date Posted: Feb 18 2014 at 1:54pm
Originally posted by Random Thoughts Random Thoughts wrote:

Originally posted by Derri Derri wrote:

Explain yourself RT


I say your ego hasn't eroded because you so thoroughly know the thoughts of god and the thoughts of the majority of people who say they don't hear from god. Moreover, http://books.google.com/books?id=bk7PvNyfbHoC&pg=PA1857&lpg=PA1857&dq=Believers+estimates+of+Gods+beliefs+are+more+egocentric+than&source=bl&ots=kTRD3a1Mda&sig=YqsmNN-qdT_DgcA7XdeSowbVh3E&hl=en&sa=X&ei=qbIDU-e2Nc7IkAfawICQCQ&ved=0CFYQ6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q=Believers%20estimates%20of%20Gods%20beliefs%20are%20more%20egocentric%20than&f=false" rel="nofollow - the PNAS did a study around 2009 where they MRI'd dozens of people, religious, non-religious, monotheistic, polytheistic. When asked what god thought about a situation, the part of the brain that lit up was the part responsible for what the person thought, not the part of the brain responsible for what someone else thought. http://phys.org/news178819089.html" rel="nofollow - So very strong thoughts about what a god would think turned out to be more egocentric than thoughts about other people.

I say your morality has eroded since you admit that you used to have hangups over the thoughts of murdering a child for spiritual reasons, but now you would blindly follow the voice inside of you that you attribute as god. Therefore, you're no longer a moral agent or even practicing morality at all, since that involves making choices based on right and wrong, and not doing something simply because you were told to. You're a soldier following orders.





i feel like ive just seen a scene in supernatural between sam and castiel


Posted By: sexyandfamous
Date Posted: Feb 18 2014 at 1:57pm
No.


As far as I know, God is love, therefore, he would not ask for death.


Posted By: Mixer
Date Posted: Feb 18 2014 at 2:05pm
Oh lord, God Castiel references are being dropped.Sleepy


Posted By: iliveforbhm
Date Posted: Feb 18 2014 at 2:08pm
Originally posted by Random Thoughts Random Thoughts wrote:

Originally posted by Derri Derri wrote:

Explain yourself RT


I say your ego hasn't eroded because you so thoroughly know the thoughts of god and the thoughts of the majority of people who say they don't hear from god. Moreover, http://books.google.com/books?id=bk7PvNyfbHoC&pg=PA1857&lpg=PA1857&dq=Believers+estimates+of+Gods+beliefs+are+more+egocentric+than&source=bl&ots=kTRD3a1Mda&sig=YqsmNN-qdT_DgcA7XdeSowbVh3E&hl=en&sa=X&ei=qbIDU-e2Nc7IkAfawICQCQ&ved=0CFYQ6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q=Believers%20estimates%20of%20Gods%20beliefs%20are%20more%20egocentric%20than&f=false" rel="nofollow - the PNAS did a study around 2009 where they MRI'd dozens of people, religious, non-religious, monotheistic, polytheistic. When asked what god thought about a situation, the part of the brain that lit up was the part responsible for what the person thought, not the part of the brain responsible for what someone else thought. http://phys.org/news178819089.html" rel="nofollow - So very strong thoughts about what a god would think turned out to be more egocentric than thoughts about other people.

I say your morality has eroded since you admit that you used to have hangups over the thoughts of murdering a child for spiritual reasons, but now you would blindly follow the voice inside of you that you attribute as god. Therefore, you're no longer a moral agent or even practicing morality at all, since that involves making choices based on right and wrong, and not doing something simply because you were told to. You're a soldier following orders.


 
As I thought, most people hear their own thoughts and think of it as "god" and they create their own god which is in the image of themselves.


Posted By: Derri
Date Posted: Feb 18 2014 at 2:11pm
I would agree with you RT, if I used my mind to identify God. But I don't.

Let me be clear that I used to have some hang ups about following God's instruction, not about murdering children.


The point of that situation between Abraham and God was not to murder Isaac, if you read on. The point was for Abraham to see the benefit in trusting God even when his 'rational' brain might be confused because for ABRAHAM'S life journey trusting when the mind couldn't make sense of those PARTICULAR situations that ABRAHAM was about to embark on was pivotal.

I am not Abraham. God may or may not appear to me in the way he did Abraham, and he may or may not ask me to do the exact same thing he asked Abraham. Regarless of if he did, i will ignore my mind's attempt at rationalizing God.

Why? Because my mind can only know what is relative.

You say that my morality had eroded, instead of my ego. My sense of what is right and wrong has eroded, and not my sense of self.

I ask you, this sense of right and wrong that you speak of, how do you know that right is right and wrong is wrong?
For whom is right right, and wrong wrong?

Furthermore, morality is the perfect playground for ego to thrive.
An ego is a sense of I in comparison to the environment of 'good' and 'bad' i.e right and wrong..morals.

In other words, what the 'I' perceives as right and wrong in relation to the environment that the 'I' is in, which the 'I' also judges as 'good' and 'bad'. All ego.








Posted By: Oladunni
Date Posted: Feb 18 2014 at 2:21pm
Originally posted by Derri Derri wrote:


 God is not a show off...that's a human ego trait.

i know this is kinda off topic.. but i disagree...!

God has done plenty of things in the bible that many would consider showing off..



Posted By: Derri
Date Posted: Feb 18 2014 at 2:34pm
Why wouldn't the part of my mind responsible for what i think light up if someone is askig me to use my own words and my own thoughts to reiterate a principle?

Also, am I somehow separate from God? It is the ego that seeks to separate and create an indiviual identity.


Posted By: iliveforbhm
Date Posted: Feb 18 2014 at 2:34pm
That's was part of the research they found out, it was that it was the ego the self lighting up, not what they have learned or gotten from someone else that was lighting up. In other words no regurgitation, but what themselves were spitting out.


Posted By: Derri
Date Posted: Feb 18 2014 at 2:37pm
Originally posted by Oladunni Oladunni wrote:

Originally posted by Derri Derri wrote:


 God is not a show off...that's a human ego trait.

i know this is kinda off topic.. but i disagree...!

God has done plenty of things in the bible that many would consider showing off..


I see what you are saying. From their perspective, their idea of what a show off is.
So when they read the Bible, they read it with a judgemental mind--as in judegment of what is right and wrong--morals again that came from the i's mind.


Posted By: Derri
Date Posted: Feb 18 2014 at 2:40pm
Is it a surprise though that the ego wants to be centre stage?
All that study proves is that the ego is tricky. Which is a given.



Posted By: iliveforbhm
Date Posted: Feb 18 2014 at 2:40pm
All of the things we think of a creator in some shape or form comes from our ego. We probably know almost zilch and the rest is forms from the minds of men.


Posted By: Random Thoughts
Date Posted: Feb 18 2014 at 2:42pm
Originally posted by Derri Derri wrote:

I would agree with you RT, if I used my mind to identify God. But I don't.

Then what do you use? If you are going to say your spirit, then can you demonstrate that a spirit exists?

I am not Abraham. God may or may not appear to me in the way he did Abraham, and he may or may not ask me to do the exact same thing he asked Abraham. Regarless of if he did, i will ignore my mind's attempt at rationalizing God.

Which is why I say you are a solider following orders. You no longer have a sense of morality. Good is good only because God says so.

I ask you, this sense of right and wrong that you speak of, how do you know that right is right and wrong is wrong?  For whom is right right, and wrong wrong?


The study of ethics. But more to the point, recognizing that we are social species and therefore our quality of life is improved when we act in a way that adheres to basic principles surrounding our interactions with each other. Also taking into consideration ideals like health is generally preferable to sickness, life is generally preferable to death, pleasure is generally preferable to pain, and so on. And when those ideals come into conflict, which they often do, then evaluating the ramifications of decisions or actions surrounding the dilemma. It's a system to be learned and adjusted as we better understand each other. But it at least takes our humanity into consideration, unlike following a book that at one point sanctions slavery, sexism, and genocide.

Other social species have senses of morality, right and wrong, and fairness too. Ours is simply more complex because our behavior is more complex.

Furthermore, morality is the perfect playground for ego to thrive.
An ego is a sense of I in comparison to the environment of 'good' and 'bad' i.e right and wrong..morals. In other words, what the 'I' perceives as right and wrong in relation to the environment that the 'I' is in, which the 'I' also judges as 'good' and 'bad'. All ego.

I don't reject the notion that ego plays a part in morality. Part of the reason you do good for others is because you want the same done to you.  I reject the inference that you aren't just as consumed by your ego, which you suggested in your original post when talking about how humble you are in comparison to the ego-driven non-believers.



Posted By: Random Thoughts
Date Posted: Feb 18 2014 at 2:47pm
Originally posted by Derri Derri wrote:

Originally posted by Oladunni Oladunni wrote:

Originally posted by Derri Derri wrote:


 God is not a show off...that's a human ego trait.

i know this is kinda off topic.. but i disagree...!

God has done plenty of things in the bible that many would consider showing off..


I see what you are saying. From their perspective, their idea of what a show off is.
So when they read the Bible, they read it with a judgemental mind--as in judegment of what is right and wrong--morals again that came from the i's mind.



Would the book of Job not be an example of God showing off?


Posted By: Derri
Date Posted: Feb 18 2014 at 2:54pm
I'm assuming you think it is. Why do you think that?
What is a show off and is it wrong to be a show off? Why or why not?


Posted By: Random Thoughts
Date Posted: Feb 18 2014 at 3:00pm
Originally posted by Derri Derri wrote:

I'm assuming you think it is. Why do you think that?

Because God felt the need to prove something to a demon. Prove his glory to an entitity that already is aware he is the creator of heaven and earth. Maybe you can enlighten me as to how it's not showing off.

What is a show off and is it wrong to be a show off? Why or why not?

I mean, I think the burden to provide the definition of showing off rests on you since you brought it up by asserting that god doesn't show off. You tell me what it is and if it's right or wrong, since you have asserted that god doesn't do it.



Posted By: Derri
Date Posted: Feb 18 2014 at 3:03pm
Also RT, i assure you that while I can have an ego, i no longer communicate in it.
Anything in my original post that seems to you to be comparing my humility to others is not absolutely true.
I am comparing my humility, not to another being's, but to my old self who lived in the mind of rationale and judgement of what is good and bad in relation especially to my personal life experiences.

I started out answering the question comparing my old self to my new self.



Posted By: Random Thoughts
Date Posted: Feb 18 2014 at 3:06pm
Originally posted by Derri Derri wrote:

Also RT, i assure you that while I can have an ego, i no longer communicate in it.
Anything in my original post that seems to you to be comparing my humility to others is not absolutely true.
I am comparing my humility, not to another being's, but to old self who lived in the mind of rational and judgement of what is good and bad in relation especially to my personal life experiences.

I started out answering the question comparing my old self to my new self.



Fair enough. I guess I inferred your comparing yourself to others since the majority of the post was about others and their lack of humility.


Posted By: Derri
Date Posted: Feb 18 2014 at 3:12pm
And RT, how can you argue that he does it if you want to leave the definition up to me? Lol

In the world as we know it, a show off pomps for the sole purpose of pomping. Never for teaching, never for wisdom, just for flexing.
Who learned something from Job's experiences?


Posted By: Derri
Date Posted: Feb 18 2014 at 3:16pm
Originally posted by Random Thoughts Random Thoughts wrote:

Originally posted by Derri Derri wrote:

Also RT, i assure you that while I can have an ego, i no longer communicate in it.
Anything in my original post that seems to you to be comparing my humility to others is not absolutely true.
I am comparing my humility, not to another being's, but to old self who lived in the mind of rational and judgement of what is good and bad in relation especially to my personal life experiences.

I started out answering the question comparing my old self to my new self.



Fair enough. I guess I inferred your comparing yourself to others since the majority of the post was about others and their lack of humility.



Eh, i wanted some real examples that i've heard and seen of the kinds of things we think in our heads to pull my point together.



Posted By: Derri
Date Posted: Feb 18 2014 at 3:26pm
And herein lies the problem of dissecting and labelling a thing as good or bad in relation to our environment.

The whole book of Job was Job and his friends debating about suffering and who suffers: the 'good' or the 'bad' and why.
And Job himself asked God to set the record straight.



Posted By: Random Thoughts
Date Posted: Feb 18 2014 at 3:36pm
Originally posted by Derri Derri wrote:

And RT, how can you argue that he does it if you want to leave the definition up to me? Lol

Because you are the one that asserted that he doesn't show off - but not only that, you also said our definition of showing off is wrong, and or wordly. The one arguing the position should provide the terms of their argument, so that we don't have a moving goalpost.

In the world as we know it, a show off pomps for the sole purpose of pomping. Never for teaching, never for wisdom, just for flexing. Who learned something from Job's experiences?

I'm not sure who learned from Job's experiences. When Job asks him why he allowed those things to happen, god omits the deal made between the devil, and instead rebukes him for asking. God then goes into a rant about all of the things he created and how Job is insignificant compared to him. The lesson in that story is pretty awful, actually, and god's response to Job's inquiry seems to hammer home the idea of 'pomping'







Posted By: ThoughtCouture
Date Posted: Feb 18 2014 at 3:36pm
interesting discussion.
 
i do have a difficult time analyzing any story line involving satan/evil.  in order for me to even begin to do so would require for me to question where satan/evil came from in the first place...which of course is heaven...according to the scripture satan just manifested himself on his very own...which flys in the face of any sort of logic...
 
it seems to me that if there is to be a future heaven free of any potential of satan/evil...then God would have to be both good and evil.  which of course, makes derri's point of who is to say which is supposed to be which at any given time for Gods purpose...


Posted By: Derri
Date Posted: Feb 18 2014 at 3:56pm
Originally posted by Random Thoughts Random Thoughts wrote:

[QUOTE=Derri]And RT, how can you argue that he does it if you want to leave the definition up to me? Lol

Because you are the one that asserted that he doesn't show off - but not only that, you also said our definition of showing off is wrong, and or wordly. The one arguing the position should provide the terms of their argument, so that we don't have a moving goalpost.

In the world as we know it, a show off pomps for the sole purpose of pomping. Never for teaching, never for wisdom, just for flexing. Who learned something from Job's experiences?

I'm not sure who learned from Job's experiences. When Job asks him why he allowed those things to happen, god omits revealing the deal made between the devil, and instead rebuking him for asking. God then goes into a rant about all of the things he created and how Job is insignificant compared to him. The lesson in that story is pretty awful, actually.



Hmmmm.
Awful? As in something bad?
God never said, Job you're a piece of sh*t.
Just that It is not possible to know all and be all.
His first statement was basically, who is the one talking about stuff they don't really have any knowledge on? I want to speak with him.

Where were you when I made all of this, to even fix yourself to demand an answer of why suffering happens and to whom and why to them and not the other?


But if in the end job was blessed tenfold, so what was the point of all of that?
Perhaps to enlighten jobs' friends, who God addressed directly saying something like, I'm angry with you for claiming to know all of what I am and why I am what I am. You need to be more humble like Job, and accept that you only know what is relative and not what is absolute.

It was kind of a reminder to us who read, to reflect on our own minds' way of thinking as well.

And it was for Satan to know that especially when he troubles a faithful person, he will not be successful in the end, and that person will come away even more blessed than before. And that was also for us reading to see as well that Satan cannot control without God's permission which always works out for the benefit of the humble and godly.

And one thing that was very important that Job said was, 'the thing whoch I feared most has happened'
And fear is the parallel of faith. It is satan's version of faith. It indicates Job's fear might be what brought this on in the first place.

So who learned from all of this? Quite a lot of ppl.










Posted By: newdiva1
Date Posted: Feb 19 2014 at 5:53am
Originally posted by iliveforbhm iliveforbhm wrote:

Originally posted by Random Thoughts Random Thoughts wrote:

Originally posted by Derri Derri wrote:

Explain yourself RT


I say your ego hasn't eroded because you so thoroughly know the thoughts of god and the thoughts of the majority of people who say they don't hear from god. Moreover, http://books.google.com/books?id=bk7PvNyfbHoC&pg=PA1857&lpg=PA1857&dq=Believers+estimates+of+Gods+beliefs+are+more+egocentric+than&source=bl&ots=kTRD3a1Mda&sig=YqsmNN-qdT_DgcA7XdeSowbVh3E&hl=en&sa=X&ei=qbIDU-e2Nc7IkAfawICQCQ&ved=0CFYQ6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q=Believers%20estimates%20of%20Gods%20beliefs%20are%20more%20egocentric%20than&f=false" rel="nofollow - the PNAS did a study around 2009 where they MRI'd dozens of people, religious, non-religious, monotheistic, polytheistic. When asked what god thought about a situation, the part of the brain that lit up was the part responsible for what the person thought, not the part of the brain responsible for what someone else thought. http://phys.org/news178819089.html" rel="nofollow - So very strong thoughts about what a god would think turned out to be more egocentric than thoughts about other people.

I say your morality has eroded since you admit that you used to have hangups over the thoughts of murdering a child for spiritual reasons, but now you would blindly follow the voice inside of you that you attribute as god. Therefore, you're no longer a moral agent or even practicing morality at all, since that involves making choices based on right and wrong, and not doing something simply because you were told to. You're a soldier following orders.








 
As I thought, most people hear their own thoughts and think of it as "god" and they create their own god which is in the image of themselves.




Ye are God?


sorry to bump from like page...not 1 but I was bored.


Posted By: BBpants
Date Posted: Feb 19 2014 at 6:49am
religious people are crazy as f*ck !! Plain ol' common sense should tell you no!


Posted By: iliveforbhm
Date Posted: Feb 19 2014 at 6:50am
I give life to things I desire life towards.


Posted By: tatee
Date Posted: Feb 19 2014 at 7:45am
Originally posted by BBpants BBpants wrote:

religious people are crazy as f*ck !! Plain ol' common sense should tell you no!


LOL


Posted By: kfoxx1998
Date Posted: Feb 19 2014 at 7:55am
Originally posted by ThoughtCouture ThoughtCouture wrote:

interesting discussion.
...which flys in the face of any sort of logic...
 

And this is where one must completely suspend reason and logic to follow the Abrahamic Religions.  There is only one question.  Why would a powerful, all knowing (knowing from before time and forever), infallible being proceed in this matter?  Could we not just make the world w/o evil, w/o murder, w/o hatred?  Too hard?  For the Supreme being?  Its what I would do if that type of power existed.  The only reason to throw Satan in the mix is for a little entertainment from time to time.  More likely Satan is one big excuse for logical fallacy and other fckery. 

God was doomed from the day man created him in his own image.  




Posted By: smaison
Date Posted: Feb 19 2014 at 8:11am
no one in their right mind would do some shyt like that.
if you're hearing voices please check yourself into a mental health hospital.
whether you think it's god or not, please check yourself into a mental health hospital.


Posted By: noneyons
Date Posted: Feb 19 2014 at 8:53am
all this talk of egos and sh*t is for the birds, man. been there, done that. scraped my knees while i was praying.

i'm a highly functioning anthrophobic. people scare the living sh*t out me. 




Posted By: iliveforbhm
Date Posted: Feb 19 2014 at 9:17am
So you sacarificing to Ba....I mean Yahwah noneyons?


Posted By: carolina cutie
Date Posted: Feb 19 2014 at 10:49am
Originally posted by ThoughtCouture ThoughtCouture wrote:

i wonder if the people who said yes...would also kill themselves if asked to do so by God...
ShockedGeek




Print Page | Close Window