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Topic: The TIGER MOM says the best cultures are...
Posted By: UrbanElegance
Subject: The TIGER MOM says the best cultures are...
Date Posted: Jan 05 2014 at 4:19pm
Jews
Indians
Chinese
Iranian
Lebanese Americans
Nigerians
Cuban exiles
Mormoms

Because they possess...
1. A superiority complex
2. Insecurity
3. Impulse control

INTERESTING!!!!!!

Read more here...


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She’s doubling down.

Amy Chua, the self-proclaimed “Tiger Mom” who, in 2011, published a book arguing that Chinese women are superior mothers — thus their offspring superior children — has even more to say.

In “The Triple Package,” Chua and her husband, co-author Jed Rubenfeld, gather some specious stats and anecdotal evidence to argue that some groups are just superior to others and everyone else is contributing to the downfall of America.

Unsurprisingly, the Chinese Chua and the Jewish Rubenfeld belong to two of the eight groups they deem exceptional. In no seeming order of importance, they are:
•Jewish
•Indian
•Chinese
•Iranian
•Lebanese-Americans
•Nigerians
•Cuban exiles
•Mormons

These groups — “cultural,” mind you, never “ethnic” or “racial” or “religious” — all possess, in the authors’ estimation, three qualities that they’ve identified as guarantors of wealth and power: superiority, insecurity and impulse control.

“That certain groups do much better in America than others — as measured by income, occupational status, test scores and so on — is difficult to talk about,” the authors write. “In large part, this is because the topic feels so racially charged.”

And so begins their cat-and-mouse polemic, in which they claim they’re courageously agitating for a greater good: the revival of America itself as a “Triple Package Culture.” It’s a series of shock-arguments wrapped in self-help tropes, and it’s meant to do what racist arguments do: scare people.

Chua, a law professor at Yale, became a media sensation in 2011, when The Wall Street Journal published an extract from her book “Battle Hymn of the Tiger Mother.” She herself is an American, raised in the Midwest, but she used her heritage and all the worst stereotypes of Chinese women — cold, rigid Dragon Ladies, hostile towards their own children — to criticize the Western way of parenting, which she also said would be the downfall of America.


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Chua made waves with “Battle Hymn of the Tiger Mother,” but she makes even more outrageous claims in her new book.

Chua wrote about calling one of her two daughters “garbage” for being rude, dismissing a homemade birthday card as subpar (“I don’t want this — I want another one”), refusing to let her girls watch TV or participate in school plays or have sleepovers, of threatening to give away a beloved dollhouse if her daughter couldn’t master a complicated classical composition within days.

Her book really can be reduced to a simple argument: Chinese mothers are better than those of any other race, and these parenting methods are going to result in the West’s big fear — the continued rise and ultimate supremacy of China. Chua’s book was a best-seller, so it’s little surprise she’s back with an even more incendiary thesis, one so well timed to deep economic anxiety, to the collective fear that the American middle class is about to disappear, for good, and the misguided belief that immigration reform will result in even less opportunity for Americans than there is now.

She and Rubenfeld stoke those fears. “Although rarely mentioned in media reports,” they write, “the studies said to show the demise in upward mobility largely exclude immigrants and their children.”


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Chua with her husband and co-author Jed Rubenfeld pose with their two daughters.
Photo: Peter Z. Mahakian

Yet the authors do not mention whether these immigrants are low-wage workers who have a greater chance at upward mobility, and the Pew study they cite is from 2007 — one year before the global financial collapse, resulting in an American economy that may be structurally altered for decades to come.

All of the groups profiled by Chua and Rubenfeld are done so only as American immigrants, with the exceptions of Mormons and Jews, who are superior to Catholics, Protestants, Buddhists, atheists and Muslims — the latter group, it seems, too controversial to warrant a mention.

On to the distinguishing factors that make these eight groups the best in America:

1. A superiority complex

Any group that collectively believes they are inherently better than any other, say the authors, has an advantage. They do not note that this is perhaps humanity’s oldest and ugliest flaw, the bottom-line cause of wars and genocide. In their estimation, it’s not nearly common enough in America, where “the Superiority Complex . . . is antithetical to mainstream liberal thinking . . . the stuff of racism, colonialism, imperialism, Nazism.” This way of thinking, they write, has been a big boon to Mormons and Jews, though they also fail to note that believing in the superiority of a belief system is the driving force behind almost all organized religion. (Except the Amish. The authors freely note that the Amish are losers for this very reason.)

2. Insecurity

Here are the authors sounding most like Malcolm Gladwell: Posit something, make a solid case for it, then immediately refute it with equal fervor. The result: Readers are so confused that they can only conclude that this book is so much smarter than they are.

The authors are very impressed with their boldness in juxtaposing insecurity with superiority. “That insecurity should be a critical lever of success is another anathema, flouting the entire orthodoxy of contemporary popular and therapeutic psychology,” they write. In fact, insecurity has long been known as a prime motivator among actors, artists, CEOs, despots. “Imposter syndrome,” the term used to describe highly successful individuals who believe, deep down, they are frauds, was identified back in 1978.

“Note that there’s a deep tension between insecurity and a superiority complex,” the authors continue. “It’s odd to think of people being simultaneously insecure but also convinced of their divine election or superiority.” Really? Just ask anyone who’s ever met a narcissist, or read a profile of A-Rod.

3. Impulse Control

Yet another hallmark of self-help, impulse control is considered to be a key factor in personal success — the ability to delay instant gratification in the service of a greater goal. But this isn’t really what the authors have in mind: “As we’ll use the term,” they write, “impulse control refers to the ability to resist temptation, especially the temptation to give up in the face of hardship or quit instead of persevering at a difficult task.”

You know who’s bad at this? Americans not among their eight groups. “Because all three elements of the Triple Package run so counter to modern American culture, it makes sense that America’s successful groups are all outsiders in one way or another,” they write. “Paradoxically, in modern America, a group has an edge if it doesn’t buy into — or hasn’t yet bought into — mainstream, post-1960s, liberal American principles.”

As curious as the groups that Chua and Rubenfeld elevate are the absence of ones they denigrate. Aside from the Amish (not big book-buyers), the only other group the authors take aim at are the Appalachian poor, noting, without irony, that “it’s far more socially acceptable today to insult and look down on ‘white trash’ than the poor of any other racial group.’”


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Even though he lost the election to Barack Obama, Mitt Romney and his family somehow prove the superiority of Mormons.
Photo: Getty Images

As for why African-Americans don’t make the list, the authors believe that the Civil Rights Movement took away any hope for a superiority narrative, and so the black community is screwed — even as they cite Mitt Romney’s loss to Barack Obama as evidence of Mormon ascendancy.

“In this paradoxical sense, equality isn’t fair to African-Americans,” they write. “Superiority is the one narrative that America has relentlessly denied or ground out of its black population.”

Nigerian immigrants, they argue, are bolstered by the belief that they are better than other West Africans — much as the Lebanese believe, as descendants of Phoenicians, that they are superior, or that the Chinese believe that their 5,000-year-old civilization makes them superior. But feeling superior to other nations, races or religions is nothing more than that — a feeling.

The authors have such dubious data — “getting a statistical fix on Mormon income and wealth is notoriously difficult”; “hard numbers, however, are surprisingly hard to come by” — that they undermine every assertion of so-called “cultural” supremacy.


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Chua and her co-author husband Jed Rubenfeld rely on flimsy evidence to make their argument in “The Triple Package.”

The real story here — the less controversial one, the more interesting and possibly instructive one — is that historically, immigrant groups tend to experience upward mobility in America until the third generation, and then, for reasons unknown, tend to level off. It’s interesting, too, that the authors either dismiss or outright ignore the large swaths of immigrant groups who built up this country — the English, Irish, Italians, Germans, Eastern Europeans. They ignore two very basic explanations for the success of immigrant groups in America: Anyone who leaves their homeland for parts unknown, no matter how desperate, is, by definition, bold; America’s uniqueness as a nation founded by immigrants.

Once we were a Triple Package nation, say the authors, but no more. We have been done in by our superiority complex, our poor, Western-style “self-esteem parenting” and lack of impulse control.

The question they finally pose — Should America be a Triple Package country again? Can it? — is followed by a paragraph-long, yes-no-maybe answer that will give you whiplash.

“The real promise of a Triple Package America,” they conclude, “is the promise of a day when there are no longer any successful groups in the United States — only successful individuals.”

Today, the demographic predicted to have the greatest impact economically, politically and culturally, by the year 2042, are Hispanics. Just don’t tell the Mormons or the Jews.



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Posted By: Alias_Avi
Date Posted: Jan 05 2014 at 4:35pm
She is essentially saying that American culture is inferior and those groups who assimilate into the American mindset find themselves to be less successful than the groups that keep the immigrant mindset and hunger (which tends to fade after the 3rd generation).


I wonder what's fueling her passion for this discussion


Posted By: eanaj5
Date Posted: Jan 05 2014 at 4:37pm
Originally posted by Alias_Avi Alias_Avi wrote:

She is essentially saying that American culture is inferior and those groups who assimilate into the American mindset find themselves to be less successful than the groups that keep the immigrant mindset and hunger (which tends to fade after the 3rd generation).


I wonder what's fueling her passion for this discussion

attention whoring


Posted By: Alias_Avi
Date Posted: Jan 05 2014 at 4:40pm
I've heard this opinion argued on this very board


Posted By: UrbanElegance
Date Posted: Jan 05 2014 at 4:51pm
Originally posted by eanaj5 eanaj5 wrote:

Originally posted by Alias_Avi Alias_Avi wrote:

She is essentially saying that American culture is inferior and those groups who assimilate into the American mindset find themselves to be less successful than the groups that keep the immigrant mindset and hunger (which tends to fade after the 3rd generation).


I wonder what's fueling her passion for this discussion

attention whoring


I agree! I think it's all an attempt to get attention. I feel certain people in ALL cultures have those characteristics. However, the main theme I see is that successful people are those who feel superior (but really aren't superior) but are ruthless enough to delay gratification to take what they want by any means necessary. Sounds pretty scary!


Posted By: carolina cutie
Date Posted: Jan 05 2014 at 4:55pm
Originally posted by Alias_Avi Alias_Avi wrote:

I've heard this opinion argued on this very board
Which is exactly why I am going to sit and wait for the Monday crew to come in and comment.LOL


Posted By: Sang Froid
Date Posted: Jan 05 2014 at 4:56pm
Those three things describe white people very well.


Posted By: ms_wonderland
Date Posted: Jan 05 2014 at 4:57pm
I'd move to the southside of Chicago before I live in another Chinese dominant area.  Their mentality and behavior does not appeal to me at all.


Posted By: naturesgift
Date Posted: Jan 05 2014 at 5:00pm
why do we care what an animal says?


Posted By: _ConcreteRose_
Date Posted: Jan 05 2014 at 5:00pm
I wouldn't say Im 100% a cultural relativist. But comparing cultures is... not very productive.


Posted By: uppitynegroid
Date Posted: Jan 05 2014 at 5:05pm
Originally posted by Alias_Avi Alias_Avi wrote:

She is essentially saying that American culture is inferior and those groups who assimilate into the American mindset find themselves to be less successful than the groups that keep the immigrant mindset and hunger (which tends to fade after the 3rd generation).


I wonder what's fueling her passion for this discussion


Thanks for the summary, didn't feel like reading.    



Posted By: TokyoRose
Date Posted: Jan 05 2014 at 5:19pm
She really wants to be special...


Posted By: NARSAddict
Date Posted: Jan 05 2014 at 7:16pm
Meh...Just here for the mudslinging fest that might occur.


Posted By: ragincajin
Date Posted: Jan 05 2014 at 7:26pm
Opinions are like azzholes...everybody's got one.
Carry on Tiger Mom. I am sure that between you, and your Jewish husband, we can all safely and insecurely, take collective seats. Gee...thanks!


Posted By: hautsdeseine
Date Posted: Jan 05 2014 at 8:27pm
Ho sit down! Is she comming with her show? "Baller's mothers". Nobody cares what she has to say...
The Mma Dee will also give her opinion...


Posted By: EPITOME
Date Posted: Jan 05 2014 at 8:27pm
actually Nigerians [you know Brothahs] are the most educated group in America. so fvck her analysis putting Asians and Jews higher. if anything Nigerians are the model minority

Survey: Nigerians Most Educated in the U.S.

Analysis of U.S. Census data and other surveys show Nigerian immigrants and their descendants score highest when it comes to earning degrees.

By Naeesa Aziz
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Nigerian Americans have  http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=96746435" rel="nofollow - long been known  for their community’s intense cultural emphasis on education, and now an  http://www.chron.com/news/article/Data-show-Nigerians-the-most-educated-in-the-U-S-1600808.php#src=fb" rel="nofollow - analysis  of Census data coupled with several local surveys shows that Nigerians don't just value education, but surpass all other U.S. ethnic groups when it comes to obtaining degrees.

 

"Being Black, you are already at a disadvantage," Oluyinka Olutoye, an associate professor of pediatric surgery at Baylor College of Medicine,  http://www.chron.com/news/article/Data-show-Nigerians-the-most-educated-in-the-U-S-1600808.php#src=fb" rel="nofollow - told  the Houston Chronicle. "You really need to excel far above if you want to be considered for anything in this country."

 

According to 2006 census data, 37 percent of Nigerians in the U.S. had bachelor's degrees, 17 percent held master's degrees and 4 percent had doctorates. In contrast, the same census data showed only 19 percent of white Americans had bachelor’s degrees, 8 percent held master’s degrees and only 1 percent held doctorates, the paper  http://www.chron.com/news/article/Data-show-Nigerians-the-most-educated-in-the-U-S-1600808.php#src=fb" rel="nofollow - reports .

 

The census data was bolstered by an independent analysis of 13 annual Houston-area surveys conducted by Rice University and commissioned by the Chronicle.

 

"These are higher levels of educational attainment than were found in any other...community," Stephen Klineberg, a sociologist at Rice University who conducts the annual Houston Area Survey, told the paper.

 

However, despite the strides in education made by many African immigrants, including Nigerian-Americans, discrimination still colors their prospects for employment. A  http://www.epi.org/page/-/BriefingPaper298.pdf?nocdn=1" rel="nofollow - study  of 2010 employment data by the http://www.epi.org/" rel="nofollow - Economic Policy Institute  showed that, across nationalities and ethnic groups, Black immigrants carried the http://www.epi.org/publication/blacks_have_highest_unemployment_among_foreign-born_workers/" rel="nofollow - highest unemployment rate  of all foreign-born workers.

 

In addition to cultural expectations about obtaining higher education, the paper reports that many African immigrants are more likely to pursue higher education as a means of maintaining their immigrant status in the U.S.

 

"In a way, it's a Catch-22 — because of immigration laws you are forced to remain in school, but then the funny thing is you end up getting your doctorate at the age of 29," Amadu Jacky Kaba, an associate professor at  http://www.shu.edu/" rel="nofollow - Seton Hall University  in South Orange, NJ, told the paper. "If you stay in school, immigration will leave you alone."

 



Posted By: FarraFace
Date Posted: Jan 06 2014 at 1:06am
An Asian woman sucking Israel's dack. That's surprising.

Said no one ever.




Posted By: OrriannaRose
Date Posted: Jan 06 2014 at 1:38am
Originally posted by TokyoRose TokyoRose wrote:

She really wants to be special...

Desperately. Everyone thinks their own culture is superior. *yawn*


Posted By: sweet_n_stuff04
Date Posted: Jan 06 2014 at 11:28am
I read Battle Hymn of the Tiger Mom and this article completely exaggerates the book (and I loved the book by the way) . I'm going to have to read The Triple Package to see what it's all about because this article is so...*Beyonce's ghost video* eh.


Posted By: OoDles O
Date Posted: Jan 06 2014 at 12:01pm
Originally posted by EPITOME EPITOME wrote:

actually Nigerians [you know Brothahs] are the most educated group in America. so fvck her analysis putting Asians and Jews higher. if anything Nigerians are the model minority 

Quote Unsurprisingly, the Chinese Chua and the Jewish Rubenfeld belong to two of the eight groups they deem exceptional. In no seeming order of importance, they are:•Jewish
•Indian
•Chinese
•Iranian
•Lebanese-Americans
•Nigerians
•Cuban exiles
•Mormons



How does BHM feel about this little tidbit here?

Quote  
As for why African-Americans don’t make the list, the authors believe that the Civil Rights Movement took away any hope for a superiority narrative, and so the black community is screwed — even as they cite Mitt Romney’s loss to Barack Obama as evidence of Mormon ascendancy.

“In this paradoxical sense, equality isn’t fair to African-Americans,” they write. “Superiority is the one narrative that America has relentlessly denied or ground out of its black population.”

Nigerian immigrants, they argue, are bolstered by the belief that they are better than other West Africans — much as the Lebanese believe, as descendants of Phoenicians, that they are superior, or that the Chinese believe that their 5,000-year-old civilization makes them superior. But feeling superior to other nations, races or religions is nothing more than that — a feeling.




Posted By: lady_tee
Date Posted: Jan 06 2014 at 6:28pm
Originally posted by OoDles O OoDles O wrote:

Originally posted by EPITOME EPITOME wrote:


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How does BHM feel about this little tidbit here?

[quote] 


Nigerian immigrants, they argue, are bolstered by the belief that they are better than other West Africans




THATS NOT TRUE!!!!


Posted By: EPITOME
Date Posted: Jan 06 2014 at 6:31pm
eh idk...Iranians/Persians believe they're the true Aryans and I don't see them on the list
I know someone who claims Macedonian or some ish--and my friends dad went "oo the original Persians"

every group in Nigeria thinks they are better than the other.  that is not why they succeed as a group


Posted By: Sang Froid
Date Posted: Jan 06 2014 at 6:40pm
Black Americans do need to develop a superiority complex.
I'm tired of this equality bullsh*t.
We(humans) are not created equal.
We(blacks) are different and better. 


Posted By: f8dagrate
Date Posted: Jan 06 2014 at 7:06pm
Originally posted by Sang Froid Sang Froid wrote:

Black Americans do need to develop a superiority complex.
I'm tired of this equality bullsh*t.
We(humans) are not created equal.
We(blacks) are different and better. 


ayeeeeeeee.


Posted By: blaquefoxx
Date Posted: Jan 06 2014 at 7:35pm
Originally posted by Sang Froid Sang Froid wrote:

Black Americans do need to develop a superiority complex.
I'm tired of this equality bullsh*t.
We(humans) are not created equal.
We(blacks) are different and better. 


You have your moments where I Heart you.

And then you have your nicca moments...ErmmLOL



Posted By: UrbanElegance
Date Posted: Jan 08 2014 at 4:54pm
Originally posted by f8dagrate f8dagrate wrote:

Originally posted by Sang Froid Sang Froid wrote:

<span style="line-height: 1.4;">Black Americans do need to develop a superiority complex.</span>
I'm tired of this equality bullsh*t.
We(humans) are not created equal.
We(blacks) are different and better. 


ayeeeeeeee.


YASSSSS!


Posted By: uppitynegroid
Date Posted: Jan 08 2014 at 5:23pm
Originally posted by f8dagrate f8dagrate wrote:



ayeeeeeeee.


Love it!

I actually saw Lynxx preform live. He's hot in person.


Posted By: uppitynegroid
Date Posted: Jan 08 2014 at 5:26pm
Originally posted by lady_tee lady_tee wrote:

Originally posted by OoDles O OoDles O wrote:

[QUOTE=EPITOME]


How does BHM feel about this little tidbit here? Nigerian immigrants, they argue, are bolstered by the belief that they are better than other West Africans



THATS NOT TRUE!!!!


It is. Also, a lot of Africans do look up to Nigerians. After South Africa, it has the largest GDP, the largest and most developed cities, the list goes on. It is known as the "Giant of Africa."

Most of the Nigerians I know do believe they are superior to other Africans. Most Southern Nigerians believer they are superior to Northern Nigerians as well.


Posted By: uppitynegroid
Date Posted: Jan 08 2014 at 5:36pm
Originally posted by FarraFace FarraFace wrote:

An Asian woman sucking Israel's dack. That's surprising.

Said no one ever.




I have a Korean classmate that's married to a white guy. She told us the other day she is going to legally change her name to a common English name so that her first and last name will no longer be Korean. All the white people smiled and nodded and me and the other black people just had this blank stare on our face, like wtf would you do that?


Posted By: sexyandfamous
Date Posted: Jan 08 2014 at 6:40pm
I read about her book when it came out, and to be honest I didn't see a lot wrong with the way she handles things. She sure sounds like a b!tch most of the time, but she was trying to raise confident, brilliant children, not stupid kids with silly fears and phobias. So when her husband, frustrated for watching her force their younger daughter to learn piano, saw that the kid was failing, said that everyone was special in their own way, and his wife mocked him for that.

She didn't believe in pulling the kid out of something because it was difficult, which is something that Americans (white, usually) do a lot: if my kid is unhappy/frustrated or simply unable to follow directions from the instructor, they drop the extra-curricular activity that they enrolled their kid. Her point was that many parents teach kids to give up when it is hard, and it was not her case.


At the same time, she chose what extra-curricular activities her daughter would do, not the kids.
I think she went overboard with not letting those kids have playdates and things like that; I am sure when they are able to go college, far, far away from her, they will be fvcking every guy and girl in sight, to make up for those years that they could not socialize.



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