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Topic: Angelinas White Daughter Plays With Black Dolls..
Posted By: coconess
Subject: Angelinas White Daughter Plays With Black Dolls..
Date Posted: Jan 02 2014 at 10:28am
Why It Matters That Angelina Jolie’s White Child Plays With Black Dolls

The simple act could raise cultural consciousness and promote positive self-esteem for girls of color.

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Actress Angelina Jolie 

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Angelina Jolie is known for her unconventional family, which includes three biological children with longtime partner Brad Pitt and adopted children from Cambodia, Ethiopia and Vietnam. Her multiracial and multicultural family has generated headlines, most notably when critics have felt the need to weigh in on her Ethiopian daughter Zahara’s hair. Some challenged Jolie’s ability to  http://jezebel.com/5391817/an-open-appeal-to-the-jolie+pitt-hair-police" rel="nofollow - style and comb it , while others had a problem with her daughter  http://jezebel.com/5391817/an-open-appeal-to-the-jolie+pitt-hair-police" rel="nofollow - wearing braided extensions .

But the Jolie-Pitt family should be commended for their efforts to be culturally conscious, particularly when it comes to their diverse brood. Pitt once acknowledged using  http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20286539,00.html" rel="nofollow - Carol’s Daughter  products on Zahara’s hair and recently explained why he declined the role of a cruel slave owner in 12 Years a Slave, which his company produced,  http://pagesix.com/2013/11/20/brad-pitt-refused-cruel-role-in-12-years-a-slave/" rel="nofollow - saying , “I didn’t want my kids to see me in this role.”

http://radaronline.com/photos/angelina-jolie-shops-and-has-lunch-with-the-kids-in-sydney/photo/597802/" rel="nofollow - recent photo  of the Jolie-Pitt kids seems to reinforce that Jolie and Pitt may be more conscious of racial and cultural diversity than the average parent. The widely published photo captured the couple’s biological daughter Vivienne carrying a black doll with short, tightly curled hair. This may not seem like a big deal but it is.

Dolls have long been a source of angst when it comes to the self-esteem of girls, particularly young girls of color. The role of dolls in serving as symbols of beauty, racial stereotypes and racism is so significant that dolls played a key role in one of America’s landmark civil rights cases, Brown v. Board of Education in 1954.

Psychologists Kenneth and Mamie Clark conducted experiments with black children, who were asked questions regarding which doll was bad or ugly and given an option between a black doll and white doll. Most children associated positive qualities with the white doll, and  http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=7213714" rel="nofollow - 63 percent preferred playing  with the white doll, leading the Clarks to  http://www.apa.org/research/action/segregation.aspx" rel="nofollow - conclude that black children “indicate a clear-cut preference for white and some of them evidence emotional conflict when requested to indicate a color preference. It is clear that the Negro child, by the age of 5, is aware of the fact that to be colored in contemporary American society is a mark of inferior status. A child accepts as early as 6, 7 or 8 the negative stereotypes about his own group."

Six decades later the experiment was revisited. When 19 black children, ranging from age 5 to 9, were asked which doll was nice, according to  http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=7213714&page=1" rel="nofollow - Good Morning America , “Sixty years ago, 56 percent of the children chose the white doll. The majority of our kids chose black or both and 32 percent chose the white doll,” an improvement, or so it seemed. But according to those administering the experiment, some of the black girls still struggled to see positive qualities in the black dolls. “Second-grader Jamya Atkins, 7, picked the white doll as soon as she sat down and before the questions began. She said the white doll was shiny and the black doll was frowning. Nayomi McPeters, a 7-year-old second-grader, said the black doll was the ugly doll ‘because sometimes this one has its feet like a monkey.’ "

As a testament to how sensitive the issue of doll color remains, particularly for black girls, the rapper Ludacris’  http://madamenoire.com/282956/its-always-something-ludacris-girlfriend-eudoxie-faces-heat-from-instagram-followers-for-giving-white-dolls-to-kids-in-africa/" rel="nofollow - longtime companion, Eudoxie,  faced heavy criticism for publishing photos of toys she was planning to distribute in Africa, which included many white dolls. A number of black Americans deemed such gifts damaging to the self-esteem and identity of African children.

When asked about Jolie’s daughter playing with a black doll and whether it is culturally significant, Jeff Gardere, a psychologist who has treated children, told The Root that black children playing with white dolls can have a negative impact on their self-esteem, but when it comes to white children playing with black dolls, “I think that’s an amazing thing, because it has an opposite effect.” He explained that “white is still considered to be a preferential color and preferential status in our society, so to put a white doll with a black child will have a negative impact for most black children but to put a black doll for a white child might make that white child more sympathetic to or more open to having a black person in their lives and loving and respecting black people.”

He concluded, “I think it’s a courageous thing [Jolie has] done. I’d like to see more of that happening.”

The simple act could raise cultural consciousness and promote positive self-esteem for girls of color.


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Posted By: mizzsandra00
Date Posted: Jan 02 2014 at 10:31am
I don't think its that deep with angelina....I think that baby just wanted the black doll.....prolly reminds her of Zahara.....but my mom never let me play with white dolls....ever.....but I never liked them anyway...


Posted By: coconess
Date Posted: Jan 02 2014 at 10:31am
'because the little white girl has a black doll.. now ppl will start to like black dolls and see black ppl more positively.. and black girls esteem will be raised' 
how very courageous of angelina for letting her white daughter be seen with a black doll.. 

Ermm
and this was written by a black woman.. 

am i missing the point? i don't care for the article.. 

and their experiments didnt even involve white children.. just black.. 
why is a little white girl having a black doll so profound? 



Posted By: mommykat
Date Posted: Jan 02 2014 at 10:35am
Thanks, Coco,...
nice read...



Posted By: liesnalibis
Date Posted: Jan 02 2014 at 10:40am
I wanted to see the pics...

Angie is great! And apparently, Eudoxie ain't that bright.


Posted By: Ds2nice
Date Posted: Jan 02 2014 at 10:40am

A few days ago, for the first time I spoke to a friend about doll preference.  All my life I had assumed that most blk girls preferred blk dolls over the yht dolls.  When I was little girl, I always wanted a blk doll.  Never once did I want a yht doll.   Whenever someone bought me a doll that was yht (friends of the family), I would get upset/disappointed.  I would even neglect the yht dolls and throw them in the bottom of the piles.

Perhaps this could be a spin off thread.  Which dolls did you ladies play with when you were growing up?  blk or yht dolls? 


Posted By: yaya24
Date Posted: Jan 02 2014 at 10:41am
Who cares..
I am a Angelina Jolie fan, but I am side eyeing the hell out of this article. I don't see anything profound about her child having a black doll. She has a black child at the house. 
 
Her child holding a black doll will not help children of color with anything.
 
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He explained that “white is still considered to be a preferential color and preferential status in our society, so to put a white doll with a black child will have a negative impact for most black children but to put a black doll for a white child might make that white child more sympathetic to or more open to having a black person in their lives and loving and respecting black people.”

He concluded,I think it’s a courageous thing [Jolie has] done. I’d like to see more of that happening.”

The simple act could raise cultural consciousness and promote positive self-esteem for girls of color.




Posted By: tatee
Date Posted: Jan 02 2014 at 10:42am
the article shouldve been written without the mention of AJ.  people give that woman more credit than she will ever deserve. she did nothing courageous...nothing at all.

its just saying that white children benefit from playing with black dolls but there is not benefit in black children playing with white dolls.


Posted By: yaya24
Date Posted: Jan 02 2014 at 10:46am
 
Originally posted by liesnalibis liesnalibis wrote:

I wanted to see the pics...

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Posted By: liesnalibis
Date Posted: Jan 02 2014 at 10:48am
Originally posted by yaya24 yaya24 wrote:

 
Originally posted by liesnalibis liesnalibis wrote:

I wanted to see the pics...

http://s988.photobucket.com/user/nkiru84/media/angelina-jolie-kids-shopping-lunch-sydney-03_zps5d0b4327.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">

Love it! I'm guessing that's one of the twins?


Posted By: coconess
Date Posted: Jan 02 2014 at 10:49am
Originally posted by tatee tatee wrote:



its just saying that white children benefit from playing with black dolls but there is not benefit in black children playing with white dolls.

no.. i think its saying that black children benefit from white children playing with black dolls.. 

because a white child having a black doll will make other kids and the world feel more positive about black dolls /people Confused


Posted By: EasterBell
Date Posted: Jan 02 2014 at 10:52am
meh...whatever.. I didn't play with dolls so I don't care.. I was more of a gadgets girl..


Posted By: liesnalibis
Date Posted: Jan 02 2014 at 10:53am
Angie needs to do something about her weight. Being that skinny was cute when she was younger but now she looks dried up.


Posted By: tatee
Date Posted: Jan 02 2014 at 10:54am
Originally posted by coconess coconess wrote:

Originally posted by tatee tatee wrote:



its just saying that white children benefit from playing with black dolls but there is not benefit in black children playing with white dolls.

no.. i think its saying that black children benefit from white children playing with black dolls.. 

because a white child having a black doll will make other kids and the world feel more positive about black dolls /people Confused


Quote make that white child more sympathetic to or more open to having a black person in their lives and loving and respecting black people.


i guess we kinda sorta might me saying almost the same thingLOL idk i cant think straight when in comes to AJ because i dont trust her motives about anything.


Posted By: K_Camille
Date Posted: Jan 02 2014 at 10:57am
I used to think Angie was so beautiful..but in that pic her face looks like glass. She's tampered with her it.  Oh and meh to the article. 


Posted By: coconess
Date Posted: Jan 02 2014 at 11:00am
ok maybe they're saying both.. 

Quote The simple act could raise cultural consciousness and promote positive self-esteem for girls of color.
 

either way.. too much credit where its not due 
those experiment conclusions have gotten better because of black parents instilling in their children that black is beautiful.. and possibly from seeing more black women on tv.. that first experiment was like 60 years ago… 



sidenote: yea i used to think angelina was gorgeous… 
i still think she's very pretty but she needs 5 pounds. 


Posted By: tatee
Date Posted: Jan 02 2014 at 11:03am
not to derail but a lot of The Roots articles be on some weird sh*t though.  you have to read them carefully are theyll have you traveling on the road to coonville.  i read one yesterday were these fools made of list of  the blackest white folks and i just smmfh




Posted By: Dapheny
Date Posted: Jan 02 2014 at 11:06am
Saw this pic weeks ago was waiting for a post about it....
but I liked seeing her with a black doll


Posted By: GG
Date Posted: Jan 02 2014 at 11:21am
White savior awards will be handed out in 5... 4... 3...


Posted By: GG
Date Posted: Jan 02 2014 at 11:21am
Originally posted by tatee tatee wrote:

not to derail but a lot of The Roots articles be on some weird sh*t though.  you have to read them carefully are theyll have you traveling on the road to coonville.  i read one yesterday were these fools made of list of  the blackest white folks and i just smmfh





Louis C.K. comes off as very racist and I don't think dating black people makes you not racist in regards to Tarantino.


Posted By: yurika975
Date Posted: Jan 02 2014 at 11:36am
I think she looked better in Bone Collector with Denzel. She had more meat and her hair color better suited her.  White children learn to treat blacks better when they stop with the privilege and feigning ignorance.


Posted By: tatee
Date Posted: Jan 02 2014 at 11:36am
Originally posted by SamoneLenior SamoneLenior wrote:


black people praise white folks for the simplest sh*t


truthLOL


Posted By: liesnalibis
Date Posted: Jan 02 2014 at 11:40am
Originally posted by yurika975 yurika975 wrote:

I think she looked better in Bone Collector with Denzel.

Her face was not what was up in that movie. It was one of her worst as far as looks go. She was thicker in Tomb Raider (part one) as well and her face looked off in that one too.


Posted By: GoodGirlGoneGr8
Date Posted: Jan 02 2014 at 11:43am
Soooooo this will be the modern-day "my best friend is black" statement...?



Posted By: yaya24
Date Posted: Jan 02 2014 at 11:48am
Right!
 
I'm not racist, I played with black dolls growing up.


Posted By: Alias_Avi
Date Posted: Jan 02 2014 at 11:51am
First of all, most people really miss the mark when understanding the results of the doll experiment.

Children are not impacted by the dolls they choose to play with; It's the CHOICE of what color doll they chose which demonstrates the impact that race has already made in their young lives (i.e. the doll is not the image, it is the mirror).

Secondly, no study has been conducted on the children that have chosen to play with the White doll as a child. The assumption is that their preference remains White well-in to adulthood. I know this to be untrue as in my own case.

I (one of the most race-conscious people I know) almost exclusively wanted White dolls as a child because I regarded them as "the real deal" whereas the Black doll seemed to be made as an after-thought (at least that's what the commercials and the marketing made it seem like) and I didn't want that. My sister wanted Black dolls exclusively as a child. The irony is, throughout middle-school, high-school and even well into College she has been regarded by my family as "White-washed" because of the men she was (is) attracted to and the people she hung out with, etc... Whereas, by time middle school came, I had forgot White people even existed until my racial awakening in College.

Imo, people put too much on these doll experiments and not enough on the experiences that shape young Blacks thereafter.


Posted By: FarraFace
Date Posted: Jan 02 2014 at 12:22pm
I haven't read the article cuz I'm too ______ (not confused, not surprised, not unsettled, just...____) by how much the woman who wrote it and Angelina favor.

eta: Okay, read it.  If my mama had been famous, would articles have been written praising her cuz I played with my brothers GI Joes and Rock em Sock em robots an shyt? Hand me down toys are praise article worthy?

Okay. Ermm


Posted By: DiorShowGirl
Date Posted: Jan 03 2014 at 1:01am
ok..when i was little i had a black and white Chrissy doll...,loved pressing those dayum belly buttons to adjust the hair length...


Posted By: newdiva1
Date Posted: Jan 03 2014 at 1:06am
if that's what the child want's then it is what it is.  It's usually grown folks who make surface sh*t deeper than it is.   What i'm gone praise Angie for?  she bought her child a doll.  that is all.


Posted By: harley_quinn
Date Posted: Jan 03 2014 at 1:15am
Originally posted by SamoneLenior SamoneLenior wrote:


black people praise white folks for the simplest sh*t


I concur.


Posted By: chinadoll77
Date Posted: Jan 03 2014 at 7:58am
Good for her....Your children should be given an array of cultural toys,and be allowed to choose their own favorite(s) out of a group...


Posted By: Jess
Date Posted: Jan 03 2014 at 8:15am
Angelina has a black daughter.  Maybe it was a hand-me-down from Zahara.  Maybe they have a bunch of different colored dolls.


Posted By: Sang Froid
Date Posted: Jan 03 2014 at 8:16am
Originally posted by chinadoll77 chinadoll77 wrote:

Good for her....Your children should be given an array of cultural toys,and be allowed to choose their own favorite(s) out of a group...

Absolutely not.


Posted By: femmemichelle
Date Posted: Jan 03 2014 at 8:21am
Originally posted by Sang Froid Sang Froid wrote:

Originally posted by chinadoll77 chinadoll77 wrote:

Good for her....Your children should be given an array of cultural toys,and be allowed to choose their own favorite(s) out of a group...

Absolutely not.

Right? Sorry, until we live in a kumbaya, everyone is equal atmosphere, the majority of brown girls in the above scenario from India to South Carolina will choose the whiter dolls, neglecting the dolls that look like them.

My daughters will have black dolls shoved down their throats until they get the message that they are just as beautiful as the other girls in the classrooms who may make fun of them because of their skin. 


Posted By: Jess
Date Posted: Jan 03 2014 at 8:23am
Originally posted by tatee tatee wrote:

not to derail but a lot of The Roots articles be on some weird sh*t though.  you have to read them carefully are theyll have you traveling on the road to coonville.  i read one yesterday were these fools made of list of  the blackest white folks and i just smmfh


WTF?
Adele, racist Louis CK and racist QT?  I hate this term of "blackest"


Posted By: Derri
Date Posted: Jan 03 2014 at 8:30am
Lol my home has to be all black errythang.
I still rem the first doll my daddy ever bought my big sister. She was black and her name was Fran. I came six yrs later and Fran was steeeeel errythang to my sis LOL

Daddy bought me both black and white dolls, tbh. but tanned as close to
Black as much as he could find. I want to post a pic of me with my fav life sized black doll. She walked when you held her hand. Laaaaad I was in love with her. I was a real dollie girl.


Posted By: liesnalibis
Date Posted: Jan 03 2014 at 8:42am
I had black and white dolls and I never showed a preference or really knew the difference. People are different colors in the real world--dolls should be, too.


Posted By: Jess
Date Posted: Jan 03 2014 at 9:08am
My children will only have black dolls though...with KINKY hair.  None of this straight hair.



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