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Topic: School-to-Prison Pipeline
Posted By: tatee
Subject: School-to-Prison Pipeline
Date Posted: Nov 27 2013 at 2:58pm

The School-to-Prison Pipeline Is Targeting Your Child

The Advancement Project's Judith Brown Dianis on how minor infractions land Black and Latino children in major trouble
Zerlina Maxwell
By Zerlina Maxwell Contributing Writer
     
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The School-to-Prison Pipeline Is Targeting Your Child

Most of us have heard the term the “ http://www.ebony.com/black-listed/news-views/floridas-school-to-prison-pipeline-is-the-nations-largest-981" rel="nofollow - school-to-prison ” pipeline, but perhaps you aren’t completely clear on what it is or how it works.  http://youtu.be/2o4VnxAcwv8" rel="nofollow - A new video by the Advancement Project that uses throwback clips of classic television shows, “The Cosby Show” and “Saved By the Bell,” is meant to illustrate exactly what drives the mass incarceration of Black and Latino youth.  The video highlights the fact that kids today are more poorly behaved than in the past, but that punishment for even minor disciplinary infractions in school casts them criminals.  When Zach Morris was disciplined for using a phone in class, we didn't see Mr. Belding calling the cops.

“It has been this way for a long time but in the 1980s, there was a shift in the discourse around young people and there was this new term used to describe them, 'superpredator.'  Young people had been dubbed superpredators right in the middle of the crack cocaine epidemic and the height of the war on drugs,” http://www.advancementproject.org/people/entry/judith-browne-dianis" rel="nofollow - Judith Browne Dianis, co-director of the Advancement Project, told EBONY.com.  “The intersection of these things, were the leading cause to a crackdown on young people’s [behavior].”

“Schools then started to adopt 'zero tolerance policies' along with drug sniffing dogs and metal detectors. Then came the 1990s, with the Drug Free School Zones Act which requires expulsion for carrying a gun on school grounds.  Zero tolerance policies are the kind of discipline that requires a particular kind of exclusion and it is a practice of harsh discipline.”



It wasn’t always like this.  Before and during part of the 1980s, kids engaged in many of the same behaviors that are the grounds for suspension and expulsion now.  Talking on a cell phone, having a food fight in the cafeteria, lateness, dress code violations,disrupting class----minor infractions that used to result in a trip to the principal’s office and maybe a few days of detention.  Now, these types of behaviors can result in criminal penalties, fines, and young people getting caught up in the criminal justice system with ramifications that can last a lifetime. 

“In Chicago, twenty-five young people were involved in food fight in the cafeteria and instead of being punished by having to clean up the cafeteria, they were suspended from school and arrested,” says Browne Dianis.

Behavior that isn’t usually an criminal offense becomes one thanks to zero tolerance policies that are often enforced by former police officers---who usually are not trained beyond their law enforcement backgrounds and often lack the skills to deal with young people.  Rambunctious teenage behavior gets turned into a 'disorderly conduct'  violation complete with punishment and court fees.  Your child could be arrested for running in the hallway.

“The [education and criminal justice] systems depend on each other.  You put a young person out of school and there are other systems that benefit from that.  Instead of being about learning discipline is now about punishment.” says Browne Dianis.  Corrections officers, probation officers, and private prisons all benefit if more kids are kicked out of school and put into the criminal justice system.  These systems thrive off of more and more bodies being moved into their system via mass incarceration and the more young people who get driven into the criminal justice system, the more money many of these institutions make."

"Black and brown students within this framework suffer the worst fate.  When a student is disciplined for “disrespect” or for rolling their eyes at an authority figure within the school, the consequences are subjectively doled out.  “Black students are more likely to be suspended for subjective things and bias could be part of it."

The punishment does not result in better behavior, nor is it a deterrent.  Adds Brown Dianis “We know suspensions don’t work.  If you are suspended, you are more likely to fail academically and wind up in the juvenile justice system.”  According to http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/08/school-discipline-gap-_n_3040376.html" rel="nofollow - a recent report by the Center for Civil Rights Remedies at the University of California, Los Angeles Civil Rights Project, a single suspension in the ninth grade doubles the odds for a student dropping out of high school.

“It’s the overreaction from adults and sometimes it’s not even something the kid is doing to warrant such harsh discipline.  [Suspensions and expulsions] don’t fix anything because they don’t get to the root cause of behavior.”

Browne Dianis says that this system of criminalizing run of the mill youthful indiscretions has an unequal impact on Black children and results in essentially the racial profiling of Black students in American schools. 

“Black children are being pushed out and dehumanized by this system.”


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Posted By: 510QUEEN
Date Posted: Nov 27 2013 at 3:46pm
that was a good video


Posted By: mommykat
Date Posted: Nov 27 2013 at 5:52pm
...

Thanks nice read and vid...


Posted By: Ladybird0724
Date Posted: Nov 27 2013 at 6:25pm
yes, the school/prison pipeline is real and thriving. what was that big city that just closed a bunch of schools but was building a 400M prison? Philly? I can't remember

and tbh I believe that it has (in part) something to do w/ the educators of the inner city schools.

inexperienced white teachers who know nothing about our culture and way of being, no understanding of our struggles are usually in inner city classrooms.

i don't remember if the article mentioned this, but also the large # of black children who are tested and considered "special ed" has something to do w/ it as well, but that is a whole other article.

this is why our community needs to hold education in a higher regard. parents need to be in the schools, on the PTA, volunteering in the classrooms and at the board mtgs advocating for our chilren. too many parents are not connected to their school. yes, schools can do better with making that connection, but so can parents.


Posted By: Az~Maverick
Date Posted: Nov 27 2013 at 6:44pm
Originally posted by Ladybird0724 Ladybird0724 wrote:

yes, the school/prison pipeline is real and thriving. what was that big city that just closed a bunch of schools but was building a 400M prison? Philly? I can't remember

and tbh I believe that it has (in part) something to do w/ the educators of the inner city schools.

inexperienced white teachers who know nothing about our culture and way of being, no understanding of our struggles are usually in inner city classrooms.

i don't remember if the article mentioned this, but also the large # of black children who are tested and considered "special ed" has something to do w/ it as well, but that is a whole other article.


this is why our community needs to hold education in a higher regard. parents need to be in the schools, on the PTA, volunteering in the classrooms and at the board mtgs advocating for our chilren. too many parents are not connected to their school. yes, schools can do better with making that connection, but so can parents.

This is why homeschooling, if able, should become more popular for our people. And let's not forget about the lack of cultural studies, that's a whole subject altogether. It's so sad that something like getting an education creates more hurdles and "rules", that are written in pencil, for us than anything.

And I totally agree that parents need to be present for their kids. Not just show up, cussing the teacher out over a bad grade when they haven't seen you for the rest of the school year. Ermm

A slow learning yt child gets resources, help and therapy while a black child of the same gets thrown into special ed, told to get meds, or held back a grade or two. The system wants to give us every disadvantage as possible to keep us right where they want us to be.....in our place. 





Posted By: ImThatDiva
Date Posted: Nov 27 2013 at 7:15pm
Originally posted by tatee tatee wrote:


“Schools then started to adopt 'zero tolerance policies' along with drug sniffing dogs and metal detectors. Then came the 1990s, with the Drug Free School Zones Act which requires expulsion for carrying a gun on school grounds.  Zero tolerance policies are the kind of discipline that requires a particular kind of exclusion and it is a practice of harsh discipline.”


It wasn’t always like this.  Before and during part of the 1980s, kids engaged in many of the same behaviors that are the grounds for suspension and expulsion now.  Talking on a cell phone, having a food fight in the cafeteria, lateness, dress code violations,disrupting class----minor infractions that used to result in a trip to the principal’s office and maybe a few days of detention.  Now, these types of behaviors can result in criminal penalties, fines, and young people getting caught up in the criminal justice system with ramifications that can last a lifetime.


yeah umm, can't relate. I've never understood why it is such a problem to go to school  and abide by these rules. No cell phone?*locks phone in locker* No food fight(because they can possibly become dangerous)? *doesn't engage in food fight or initiate one* Don't be late for class?*doesn't dawdle in the halls between classes* Don't bring weapons or drugs?*doesn't own or use them anyway*

These are very simple rules-- no-- EXTREMELY simple rules to follow. If your teacher tells you to raise you hand in order to speak, don't open your mouth unless you've raised your hand and they've called on you. There's no need for excessive talking or rowdiness in class. What the hell are you in school for then?

Yes, I'm positive that administrators in schools--specifically in inner city schools-- do the most at times which needs to be rectified. However, I'm failing to see the problem with these rules or their punishment really. I've never once gotten in trouble for school for anything. I went there, did what I was told to do and sometimes above and beyond and went home. My dad and mom never received a call saying I was talking too much or I bought a weapon, I was disrespectful and/or etc. for my sisters or me.

Seriously, is it truly that hard to behave in school?


Posted By: ppp38
Date Posted: Nov 27 2013 at 7:26pm
I'm tired of parents shifting the blame for their under performing kids. If your kids are going from school to prison- its not the fault of the system, its your fault for not being able to provide for your child emotionally or financially. 


Posted By: Printer_Ink
Date Posted: Nov 27 2013 at 7:39pm
Sorry but I don't think this ois a White/Blackl problem. Black folks have got to stop blameing all their problems on White people instead of taking responsibilty for their own actions. I think the root of this problem is sexual irresponsibility.
 
If you get knocked before you are on your feet, through school, have a job and a husband .. then you set your kids and yourself up for a life of hardship and struggle. This is the path a lot of Black women make and then they to pretend it's all the fault of he White man that they are poor and struggling. Geesh!
 
So then you've  got to live in these bad areas and send your kids to the bad schools and then you expect the teachers to understand the community etc.
 
Sometimes that can work - but sometimes not.
 
It is the woman's responsibilty to either use some sort of birth control, (there are natural ones available), have an abortion or .. the common sense technique which is to not have sex. Duh. Don't be so loose.
 
Otherwise, you are just producing these innocent children into a world of deprivation which sets them up for the whole school to prison situation.
 
In the end .. it is not the school's responsibiy help you raise these childrem - never will be.


Posted By: carolina cutie
Date Posted: Nov 27 2013 at 8:56pm
Originally posted by Az~Maverick Az~Maverick wrote:

Originally posted by Ladybird0724 Ladybird0724 wrote:

yes, the school/prison pipeline is real and thriving. what was that big city that just closed a bunch of schools but was building a 400M prison? Philly? I can't remember

and tbh I believe that it has (in part) something to do w/ the educators of the inner city schools.

inexperienced white teachers who know nothing about our culture and way of being, no understanding of our struggles are usually in inner city classrooms.

i don't remember if the article mentioned this, but also the large # of black children who are tested and considered "special ed" has something to do w/ it as well, but that is a whole other article.


this is why our community needs to hold education in a higher regard. parents need to be in the schools, on the PTA, volunteering in the classrooms and at the board mtgs advocating for our chilren. too many parents are not connected to their school. yes, schools can do better with making that connection, but so can parents.

This is why homeschooling, if able, should become more popular for our people. And let's not forget about the lack of cultural studies, that's a whole subject altogether. It's so sad that something like getting an education creates more hurdles and "rules", that are written in pencil, for us than anything.

And I totally agree that parents need to be present for their kids. Not just show up, cussing the teacher out over a bad grade when they haven't seen you for the rest of the school year. Ermm

A slow learning yt child gets resources, help and therapy while a black child of the same gets thrown into special ed, told to get meds, or held back a grade or two. The system wants to give us every disadvantage as possible to keep us right where they want us to be.....in our place. 
IA with all of this but especially the bolded.




Posted By: ImThatDiva
Date Posted: Nov 27 2013 at 9:07pm
Printer ink.. according to to what I've seen and read, celibacy is asking too much. Ermm

what you've said though is only part of the problem. Though. A lot of these kids lack home training and a parental figure that pushes them to strive for more in school. I mean, administration can only do so much when the parents don't care whether or not their kid graduates or gets in trouble. Learning to respect other and follow the rules starts at home.


Posted By: TokyoRose
Date Posted: Nov 27 2013 at 10:22pm
I don't agree that homeschooling is the answer.  I think that out of the many parents who have entertained the idea, only a scant few understand what that entails. 
- Even if you homeschool your child, you STILL have to make sure they are meeting the minimum education standards set forth by the state, every year.
- Few parents can teach every subject, so parents who are deficient in language arts or math, for example, have to be able to find a tutor to teach their children these subjects.
- Some parents have told me that they never and their kids will never use the Pythagorean theorem in their lives in the real world.  Yes, the parent may not, but what if their child wants to become an architect?  A computer engineer?  Then that parent just deprived their child of a chance to prepare for their future.
- When I was a kid, my mom would have black history time set aside for me to learn about who I was because the school wouldn't teach it.  I would go so far as to open a cram school for black children to learn about their culture and history like a lot of other communities have.

"Zero Tolerance Policies" are a total joke that pretty much allows administration to be lazy and not actually deal with the root causes of the problems.  It absolves them of making tough decisions.  With all the rules kids have today, I don't think I would have survived school.  I also find it completely unnecessary for police to intervene in schools.  Police being there just allows for bad behavior to persist.

Ppp, the system IS to blame.  Even if the parent was trying to do the best the possibly could, a child in the inner city will NEVER receive the same education as a child from the suburbs.  The more money you invest in up-to-date materials and the best teachers, the better your school.  That's a fact. 


Posted By: kfoxx1998
Date Posted: Nov 27 2013 at 11:01pm
This thread might be the one to get me banned so I'll say what I want and dip.  OP is on point and I have experienced exactly what is described when my kids attended school districts that were over 95% white and the current city school where most of the doctors and professors associated with the university send their children.  

My son was suspended for 5 days from kindergarten.  KINDERGARTEN!  For roughly snatching his paper back from a little white girl who was teasing him and trying to look at his grade AFTER the teacher had already told her to stop bothering him.   As he grabbed for the paper he accidentally hit her face.   Even the teacher said she deserved it but the Principal and the Superintendent were far more swayed by the white tears against the big black brute 5yr old.  Yt kids in the school did far worse and on purpose and didn't even get sent to time out much less removed for 5 days and have to have a hearing to return. 

My daughter in the high school was accused of stealing because she was in the bathroom on a hall pass at the time two white girls robbing lockers were counting their bounty.   The white girls weren't even questioned, my daughter was suspended having none of the stolen property in hand.  She had just stared at the school and they assumed she was from the projects that border the district.  I had to raise holy hell in that school to let them know my daughter was an upper middle class black kid living in a better neighborhood than every teacher there.  I fckn hate them.   

Fck everybody who does get it to be honest.  


Posted By: BeatriceBean
Date Posted: Nov 27 2013 at 11:23pm
Say what you want, it's the truth.

I am back home in the DC area and I saw a story on the news a few weeks ago. Heroin use is back on the rise and is especially prevalent in one Montgomery County high school...the name of which I forget but it is 88% white. A student and unidentified teacher said that it is so prevalent that it's almost expected that students will use the drug on school property at some point. Remember, this is heroin.

I have a friend who is a vice principal in that area, and I asked her some questions. What actions are taken when students are caught? How is the school, and that school system, working to remove drug use and educate students on a drug-free lifestyle? What are the expulsion/suspension rates? So on and so forth.

I've been an educator for long enough to know the answers before even asking them. Of course the expulsion rates are astronomically low, despite the fact that children are using heroin on school property! They want their students to go onto college! They want to maintain a pristine public school record! They are actually concerned about the futures of the students who leave their halls.

On the flip side, I have been in predominantly Black and Latino public (and charter) schools for over three decades. Children have been expelled for a lot of things, from very major offenses to very minor offenses. Selling drugs on school grounds to setting off stink bombs. Bringing guns and other deadly weapons to class to being caught stealing a cheeseburger from the cafeteria. All of these kids deserve to be reprimanded, and arrested, but do they all really deserve to be reprimanded via expulsion? How bright of a future does a child have after being expelled?

Child I got comparisons for days but I got to help cook this damn Thanksgiving dinner


Posted By: Az~Maverick
Date Posted: Nov 27 2013 at 11:39pm
Originally posted by kfoxx1998 kfoxx1998 wrote:

This thread might be the one to get me banned so I'll say what I want and dip.  OP is on point and I have experienced exactly what is described when my kids attended school districts that were over 95% white and the current city school where most of the doctors and professors associated with the university send their children.  

My son was suspended for 5 days from kindergarten.  KINDERGARTEN!  For roughly snatching his paper back from a little white girl who was teasing him and trying to look at his grade AFTER the teacher had already told her to stop bothering him.   As he grabbed for the paper he accidentally hit her face.   Even the teacher said she deserved it but the Principal and the Superintendent were far more swayed by the white tears against the big black brute 5yr old.  Yt kids in the school did far worse and on purpose and didn't even get sent to time out much less removed for 5 days and have to have a hearing to return. 

My daughter in the high school was accused of stealing because she was in the bathroom on a hall pass at the time two white girls robbing lockers were counting their bounty.   The white girls weren't even questioned, my daughter was suspended having none of the stolen property in hand.  She had just stared at the school and they assumed she was from the projects that border the district.  I had to raise holy hell in that school to let them know my daughter was an upper middle class black kid living in a better neighborhood than every teacher there.  I fckn hate them.   

Fck everybody who does get it to be honest.  

When my son was in the 1st grade, he was a very quiet, shy little boy, but very smart and LOVES math. He wouldn't say much other than shake his head yes or no to questions being asked. He'd do whatever work/homework that was required.....shouldn't be a problem, right?

Well, the teacher (yt) had a problem with that, telling me "he's too quiet for his age and "he always plays by himself" and the school took it upon themselves to send him to a counselor, without my knowledge, took my daughter who was attending the same school and was in the 2nd grade, out of her class for an hour and put around her brother during his class time to see if he'd talk.....again without my knowledge....I wasn't consulted NOT ONCE during each time! I found out from my daughter that told me she was being taken outta class......Angry

THEN,

I was handed a 6 pg. questionnaire about my pregnancy, if the father was in the home, if I taken any drugs, if he's being abused Sleepy......then here's the kicker, they wanted to have him REPEAT the 1st grade simply because he wasn't verbal enough. I took both of my kids out of that school with the quickness and sent them elsewhere.

Today, my son is a normal, happy, healthy, young man with interest in Computer Graphics. He creates his own video games, does computer artwork, and is a writer. Some of these schools are so quick to label a black child and will find ways to do it.


Posted By: _ConcreteRose_
Date Posted: Nov 27 2013 at 11:51pm
Im really passionate about this so let's see if I can put my thoughts into words.

I've worked in a predominantly black high school (and middle school). I would hate to see ANY of my kids go through the prison system. Why? Because prison isn't meant to rehab these kids. Prison is a for profit system. The more people in prison, the more money the government makes. From the owners of the prison donating to certain campaigns if that politician can ensure more are in prison, to the work they make the prisoners do for .10 an hour. This is what the Prison Industrial Complex is. It's all about money. They say this work is meant to help people get a job when they get out. But the lack of decent rehabbing programs, programs that have been proven to be effective in decreasing the likelyhood of returning, suggests otherwise. Non-violent "offenders" can't get jobs, can't find a place to live, don't have any support, and end up going through the system again. Not to mention, they get worse sentences for the same crime, and have a higher false conviction rate. And what kills me, and some people are passive about this. They don't care that this is happening so someone can sip $1000 wine and vacation to their villa in France. How can you lack so much empathy? 

And what's even more sad for me personally, is that I can see it coming from a mile away with certain students. I had this one student who had just come to America from Jamaica. He was 16 in the 9th grade because he was so behind. He couldn't even count.. didn't know the difference between plus and equals. My concern wasn't teaching him algebra: I really wanted to teach him how to count money. He needed to learn the basics at the very least. I feel he could pick up a trade like electrical work or plumbing and live comfortably.

 His parents were still in Jamaica, and any time we'd talk to his grandmother she'd get mad at him for not understanding. She refused to let us put him in ESL or Special ed, which he could have really benefited from. Despite his struggles in school, he was just the sweetest little thing to me. Very polite and very grateful for anyone who was patient enough to sit down and help him. He had his flaws of course: he smoked a bit and he got very frustrated at the material especially when we wouldn't sit down and walk him through it. And when he got frustrated he lashed out in a way that could possibly get him in jail. He NEVER EVER hurt anyone, but any teacher that didn't understand a Black kid and their relation to the PIC could call the police and any hope for his future would be gone. For what?

And it could happen to any little black kid. Whether they did it or not. It doesn't matter because the lower income black people that are targeted can't afford a decent lawyer and can't buy a chance. At the same time, little Connor is just "being a kid" but he could never do anything bad.Stern Smile Ughh this makes me mad.Angry Sorry for the rant. Im gonna help these kids mane.


Posted By: afrokock
Date Posted: Nov 27 2013 at 11:59pm
two pages in and i already wanna slap a few people


Posted By: carolina cutie
Date Posted: Nov 28 2013 at 12:01am
If people don't want to believe personal accounts of inequality fine but there are plenty of statistics and studies that can corroborate what you ladies are discussing.


Posted By: afrokock
Date Posted: Nov 28 2013 at 12:02am
Originally posted by carolina cutie carolina cutie wrote:

If people don't want to believe personal accounts of inequality fine but there are plenty of statistics and studies that can corroborate what you ladies are discussing.
its always YOUR fault,

dont you get it?

some of these people will get a rude awakening in due time


Posted By: carolina cutie
Date Posted: Nov 28 2013 at 12:11am
lol Afro.

I have a story about a Black foster child in second grade who is in school but the school wanted to boot him because they don't want to provide him with adequate services to help him thrive (mind you it is federally required by law). He was in an abusive home and was angry he was removed from home. After getting in trouble, he threatened to blow up the school and they want to press charges against him (once again, he's 8) and expel him. Press criminal charges against an 8 y/o! It took a visit from the county lawyer and social workers to get them to change their tune.

But hey, it's all his fault.


Posted By: rickysrose
Date Posted: Nov 28 2013 at 1:17am
there's no fitting in or being well behaved

when it comes to institutional racism

they are not building the prisons for remediation, they are building it for commerce

and they have the full political, social and economic backing to fill them ... it's delusional to think getting caught up can be avoided by "behaving"




Posted By: rickysrose
Date Posted: Nov 28 2013 at 1:21am
eugenics and/or population control is not going to help the black condition in America

in fact population is one of the leading reasons that the hispanic voice is being heard despite *add long list*




Posted By: newdiva1
Date Posted: Nov 28 2013 at 2:53am
Originally posted by ImThatDiva ImThatDiva wrote:

Printer ink.. according to to what I've seen and read, celibacy is asking too much. Ermm

what you've said though is only part of the problem. Though. A lot of these kids lack home training and a parental figure that pushes them to strive for more in school. I mean, administration can only do so much when the parents don't care whether or not their kid graduates or gets in trouble. Learning to respect other and follow the rules starts at home.
 
 
 
This.  it's not just the school.  I've seen parents that fight for their kids.  And I mean fight in a good way.  It's a beautiful thing.  I remember reading a situation where a mom was fighting for her chile not to be placed in special ed.  There was nothing wrong with him she insisted.  Because she leveled such pressure...they gave the boy more tests etc.  Turns out he was simply bored.  He was then placed in advanced classes. 
 
Not saying that this is what it is all the time but alot of the time...It's not because the child is in some way retarded.  They are usually bored.   Either because they were not challenged enough or because they don't understand the material because they were pushed ahead when they should not have been. 
 
 


Posted By: newdiva1
Date Posted: Nov 28 2013 at 3:03am
Originally posted by TokyoRose TokyoRose wrote:

I don't agree that homeschooling is the answer.  I think that out of the many parents who have entertained the idea, only a scant few understand what that entails. 
- Even if you homeschool your child, you STILL have to make sure they are meeting the minimum education standards set forth by the state, every year.
- Few parents can teach every subject, so parents who are deficient in language arts or math, for example, have to be able to find a tutor to teach their children these subjects.
- Some parents have told me that they never and their kids will never use the Pythagorean theorem in their lives in the real world.  Yes, the parent may not, but what if their child wants to become an architect?  A computer engineer?  Then that parent just deprived their child of a chance to prepare for their future.
- When I was a kid, my mom would have black history time set aside for me to learn about who I was because the school wouldn't teach it.  I would go so far as to open a cram school for black children to learn about their culture and history like a lot of other communities have.

"Zero Tolerance Policies" are a total joke that pretty much allows administration to be lazy and not actually deal with the root causes of the problems.  It absolves them of making tough decisions.  With all the rules kids have today, I don't think I would have survived school.  I also find it completely unnecessary for police to intervene in schools.  Police being there just allows for bad behavior to persist.

Ppp, the system IS to blame.  Even if the parent was trying to do the best the possibly could, a child in the inner city will NEVER receive the same education as a child from the suburbs.  The more money you invest in up-to-date materials and the best teachers, the better your school.  That's a fact. 
 
 
 
I cosign this.  We all remember that Oprah episode.
 
I was listening to a BTR show once and this lady tole a story about how she pushed her chile so hard in school because she wanted her to go to college and have better.  Chile was a A student and errything.  So she said her daughter starts Uni and she calls her one day crying and upset.  She said that she despite her being an A student was unprepared for University...she was not at that level.  She tried to stick it out but there was so much she didn't know and she felt like such a failure in class.  She said she had study groups but she was embarrassed to go because "she didn't know sh*t" and folks looked at her like "how do you not know this?  this is basic ______."  Her knowledge...despite being an A student was no where near where it should have been. 
 
 
Iono....I mean...I just...iono...


Posted By: newdiva1
Date Posted: Nov 28 2013 at 3:11am
Originally posted by Az~Maverick Az~Maverick wrote:

Originally posted by kfoxx1998 kfoxx1998 wrote:

This thread might be the one to get me banned so I'll say what I want and dip.  OP is on point and I have experienced exactly what is described when my kids attended school districts that were over 95% white and the current city school where most of the doctors and professors associated with the university send their children.  

My son was suspended for 5 days from kindergarten.  KINDERGARTEN!  For roughly snatching his paper back from a little white girl who was teasing him and trying to look at his grade AFTER the teacher had already told her to stop bothering him.   As he grabbed for the paper he accidentally hit her face.   Even the teacher said she deserved it but the Principal and the Superintendent were far more swayed by the white tears against the big black brute 5yr old.  Yt kids in the school did far worse and on purpose and didn't even get sent to time out much less removed for 5 days and have to have a hearing to return. 

My daughter in the high school was accused of stealing because she was in the bathroom on a hall pass at the time two white girls robbing lockers were counting their bounty.   The white girls weren't even questioned, my daughter was suspended having none of the stolen property in hand.  She had just stared at the school and they assumed she was from the projects that border the district.  I had to raise holy hell in that school to let them know my daughter was an upper middle class black kid living in a better neighborhood than every teacher there.  I fckn hate them.   

Fck everybody who does get it to be honest.  

When my son was in the 1st grade, he was a very quiet, shy little boy, but very smart and LOVES math. He wouldn't say much other than shake his head yes or no to questions being asked. He'd do whatever work/homework that was required.....shouldn't be a problem, right?

Well, the teacher (yt) had a problem with that, telling me "he's too quiet for his age and "he always plays by himself" and the school took it upon themselves to send him to a counselor, without my knowledge, took my daughter who was attending the same school and was in the 2nd grade, out of her class for an hour and put around her brother during his class time to see if he'd talk.....again without my knowledge....I wasn't consulted NOT ONCE during each time! I found out from my daughter that told me she was being taken outta class......Angry

THEN,

I was handed a 6 pg. questionnaire about my pregnancy, if the father was in the home, if I taken any drugs, if he's being abused Sleepy......then here's the kicker, they wanted to have him REPEAT the 1st grade simply because he wasn't verbal enough. I took both of my kids out of that school with the quickness and sent them elsewhere.

Today, my son is a normal, happy, healthy, young man with interest in Computer Graphics. He creates his own video games, does computer artwork, and is a writer. Some of these schools are so quick to label a black child and will find ways to do it.
 
 
 
Man....this happened to me personally.  I was quiet. Loved to read. Had an excellent report card but my teacher had issues with my being introverted. I mean..I had friends.  I interacted..I was just not one to put myself out there.  Teacher tried to bring down my whole average and suspend me n'sh*t. My mom took a day off work, went down to that school and raised the dead.  I just remember she started quiet then it got ugly.  smh.  I was moved to another class after that and that teacher had no prollems with me.  She liked that fact that I didn't cause her prollems and did my work.


Posted By: Derri
Date Posted: Nov 28 2013 at 9:07am
Shut up Aunty Ruckus!!


Anyway, the REALITY is, as a black man or woman you are born with a red dot on your back.
You are a target and the white wolf is salivating to taste your blood and gets pleasure from turning your burning mahogany soul as icy blue as his.

Prison is a trap that the white 'man' has set for us to fall into. And we DO fall in because it is the nature of the subconscious mind to run it's software on automatic. It is a beautiful thing to breath, and blink, and scratch an itch without thinking about it first, BUT when you're a target in this world, you HAVE to live life consciously, not subconsiously. You can't expect that things will be the way they should be when you are a target. You have to always remember that you are a target and so you have to keep your ears and eyes and nose wide open. Use your conscious mind all the time. Trust nothing government related because you are the government's target!

Inner city public school is a trap and so as a parent you much do a lot of enlightening at home with your child.
Private school recognizes you as a target and treats you as such...So you still have to do enlightening at home with your child. Any way you slice it, you as a black man, woman, and parent you have to know that you are a target and that traps have been set for you, then you have to act accordingly.

Did I say shut up Aunty Ruckus?


Posted By: Derri
Date Posted: Nov 28 2013 at 9:15am
There is an Afro-centric school here for young children and they teach real history. There are great black teachers and the children are thriving. It was a big stink when the school first opened several yrs back.

Yeah they always get mad when you decide to drop the ball and quit playing their game. But that's the way to end the their game. Stop playing. As a whole, that is what we as black people need to do. And all oppressed people. But that's another topic, albeit related.


Posted By: EPITOME
Date Posted: Nov 28 2013 at 9:38am
ITD and PrinterInk are both myopic with their viewpoints imo.  Personal responsibility is always important but these are not adults w/fully functional developed brains, but are children, which society generally tries to "protect" and which science tells us are immature, lack general impulse control, lack full reasoning skills etc.  Personal responsibility is great for a 21 year old, it is not great for a 10 year old. 

Yes children should follow rules but if the rules that they break are not egregious then suspensions and extreme measures aren't truly necessary.

I don't agree with the OP about comparing bringing a gun to school and a foodfight [especially bc of school fights] but talking about abortions [glad to see you're consistent no matter how rarely I log on PI] is moot bc the kids are already here.

I equate zero tolerance to mandatory maximum sentencing--anything that removes the human ability to apply facts to a situation, to understand the WHY, to take into consideration mitigating circumstances is not a wholly effective policy, particularly with children who tend to act based on circumstances outside of their control.


Posted By: kfoxx1998
Date Posted: Nov 29 2013 at 12:59pm
I got pissed off all over again talking to my nephew yesterday.  Him and his brother went to the same high school and he was talking about all the times he watched white kids get no consequences for doing outrageous sh*t.  Then his mother (who is Filipino) starting going off about how she went in the school and went berserk because they interrogated him about something that was stolen (by one of the yt kids as it turns out - shocking).  She told the principal she would bring holy hell down on the school if they ever questioned her son again w/o her permission.   Showed her little ass. 

I also remember them sending cops to her and my brother's house to try and pick up my daughter and talk to her about a cell phone that her friend actually DID steal.  My brother told them hell no you're not taking my niece anywhere but I would be more than happy to ask her if she saw her friend with that phone.  My brother is hood as fck and a big dude.  He wears a suit and tie everyday but still looks like he'd whoop your ass any second.  He works in the school system with troubled kids but they used to hate to see him coming at the schools in that mostly white district to talk about one of the kids.  He plays no games and no administrator double talk LOL

We all moved back into the inner city after all the kids graduated and just my 9yr old was there.  I'll never do that sh*t again.  I mean we all moved out there for the good schools but in the end we dealt with more bullsh*t and our kids all feel some type of way about the extremely obvious double-standards.  Its fckd up. 




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