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Topic: Nappy
Posted By: tatee
Subject: Nappy
Date Posted: Jul 26 2013 at 8:15am
do you use the word to describe your hair or others?  if not what alternative do you use?

if you're fine with it, how do you feel about other races referring to your hair as nappy?





Replies:
Posted By: mizzsandra00
Date Posted: Jul 26 2013 at 8:20am
I call my hair curly....and nappy doesnt bother me unless its used to insult....


Posted By: jonesable
Date Posted: Jul 26 2013 at 8:21am
Yes I use nappy and kinky. Of course another race can not call my hair nappy


Posted By: ThatGurlD
Date Posted: Jul 26 2013 at 8:23am
I don't use the word nappy.  Mainly because I feel there's a negative association among black people.  My hair IS nappy but that's not a bad thing (to me) so instead I say my curls are tight or something like that.  I don't often speak to my texture or curl pattern at all.  I simply say my hair.  If someone else called my hair nappy I'm not really sure how I would react.  Probably surprised and ask, "What makes you say that?"  And regardless of what they answered, "Hmmm....." and walk away. 


Posted By: tatee
Date Posted: Jul 26 2013 at 8:32am
im having this crazy battle going on in my head because every time i try to have this conversation with myself my mind wont allow me to have it and i become distracted.


Posted By: dijah.love
Date Posted: Jul 26 2013 at 8:41am
I call my hair nappy.

A white person would get the side eye.


Posted By: kfoxx1998
Date Posted: Jul 26 2013 at 8:45am
Originally posted by tatee tatee wrote:

im having this crazy battle going on in my head because every time i try to have this conversation with myself my mind wont allow me to have it and i become distracted.


Hug

I remember this well and all I can say is I congratulate myself all the time for being over 40 because I finally could care less what not what damn anybody says about me.   Its shocking because when you're young and very self aware, overly critical of yourself, stressed about what people are going to "think" you have to exhaust yourself keeping those doubts under control and looking like you got this while the battle rages in your head.  So it is such a nice surprise to feel this free because I used to be so stressed trying to step right.  I wish a bish would try to define this for me now. 

Be a trailblazer hun, go with what feels good and make them follow your lead.   I wish I had done that with my hair journey specifically a long time ago.  Maybe be that way about anything that is attached to your body at leastLOL



Posted By: Prazol60
Date Posted: Jul 26 2013 at 8:51am
Nappy or kinky


Posted By: tatee
Date Posted: Jul 26 2013 at 8:57am
Originally posted by kfoxx1998 kfoxx1998 wrote:

Originally posted by tatee tatee wrote:

im having this crazy battle going on in my head because every time i try to have this conversation with myself my mind wont allow me to have it and i become distracted.


Hug

I remember this well and all I can say is I congratulate myself all the time for being over 40 because I finally could care less what not what damn anybody says about me.   Its shocking because when you're young and very self aware, overly critical of yourself, stressed about what people are going to "think" you have to exhaust yourself keeping those doubts under control and looking like you got this while the battle rages in your head.  So it is such a nice surprise to feel this free because I used to be so stressed trying to step right.  I wish a bish would try to define this for me now. 

Be a trailblazer hun, go with what feels good and make them follow your lead.   I wish I had done that with my hair journey specifically a long time ago.  Maybe be that way about anything that is attached to your body at leastLOL



thanx Kfoxx but this really isnt about my hair.  ive never had hair issues.  this is more of a semantic issue and the use words designed to oppress.


Posted By: Anah
Date Posted: Jul 26 2013 at 9:02am
Nappy in my mind means tangled, hard to manage void of a real noticeable curl pattern. Needing moisture usually. My hair is curly but can appear and be nappy at times. It's those moments that I refer to it as such. Generally tho, I'd say there is a negative connotation behind it so I don't use it in reference to others.



Posted By: jonesable
Date Posted: Jul 26 2013 at 9:06am
I believe in language re appropriation it's not really a belief it's a reality. Words in general hardly ever have a linear history. Few words retain their original meanings.

I have no issue when members of that particular group take back a word and flip it

Language re appropriation can fail though but that's another story


Posted By: kfoxx1998
Date Posted: Jul 26 2013 at 9:12am
Originally posted by tatee tatee wrote:


thanx Kfoxx but this really isnt about my hair.  ive never had hair issues.  this is more of a semantic issue and the use words designed to oppress.


Nappy used to be a bad word but now it is changing IMO, like every other negative connotation it is neutralized (from an internal damage prospective) by being embraced. 

Okay you're bringing up a broader point and you just made me realize that the only place this word could have originated from is white people.  I mean of course I had to know that internally but I never confirmed it in my own head.  FckLOL


Posted By: kfoxx1998
Date Posted: Jul 26 2013 at 9:18am
So some context.

Me and a least one person I know have had different yt hair stylists for a period of time in our hair history.  We both had the exact same story.  When talking to our sylist we used the word 'nappy' and in both cases we got very perplexed looks and they both said:

 'your hair is not nappy, its curly, what do you mean'Confused

Could be their training specifically but apparently there was no ingrained notion of the word nappy.  Probably an exception but it was interesting. 

Of course this was before we knew there was such a thing as hair typingDead


Posted By: kfoxx1998
Date Posted: Jul 26 2013 at 9:20am
Originally posted by jonesable jonesable wrote:

I believe in language re appropriation it's not really a belief it's a reality. Words in general hardly ever have a linear history. Few words retain their original meanings.

I have no issue when members of that particular group take back a word and flip it

Language re appropriation can fail though but that's another story


Yes indeed.  I think nappy is very tricky and now I completely understand the question and don't know the answer yetLOL


Posted By: jonesable
Date Posted: Jul 26 2013 at 9:24am
I've had the the same experience white people have called my hair " really really curly" and I forgot my audience and used the word nappy.
They asked me what the word nappy meant in regards to hair and I just said nevermind.


They probably went searching on yahoo answers ...


Posted By: tatee
Date Posted: Jul 26 2013 at 9:32am
Originally posted by kfoxx1998 kfoxx1998 wrote:

Originally posted by jonesable jonesable wrote:

I believe in language re appropriation it's not really a belief it's a reality. Words in general hardly ever have a linear history. Few words retain their original meanings.

I have no issue when members of that particular group take back a word and flip it

Language re appropriation can fail though but that's another story


Yes indeed.  I think nappy is very tricky and now I completely understand the question and don't know the answer yetLOL


you two got me over here building road block after road blockLOL


Posted By: tatee
Date Posted: Jul 26 2013 at 9:36am
Originally posted by jonesable jonesable wrote:

I believe in language re appropriation it's not really a belief it's a reality. Words in general hardly ever have a linear history. Few words retain their original meanings.

I have no issue when members of that particular group take back a word and flip it

Language re appropriation can fail though but that's another story


ive always tried wrap my head around reapproriation of words but i always fail.  i understand it in terms of a word that was already positive (e.g gay) but  not really in the case of words that are deemed negative.

if you have any example throw them my way


Posted By: kfoxx1998
Date Posted: Jul 26 2013 at 9:40am
tatee the first one that comes to mind is Brotha Man.


Posted By: kfoxx1998
Date Posted: Jul 26 2013 at 9:41am
See, we took it back, flipped it and still can't even use on BlackHMLOL


Posted By: jonesable
Date Posted: Jul 26 2013 at 9:47am
Ok this may not be the most clear cut answer but let's see here.

Take the word hector, its present meaning is negative , bully.
Of course it didnt start that way the original meaning was neutral and meant holder , stayer then it took on the meaning of meaning Valiant warrior after the Trojan hero.
But in the mid 1600s the word was used in reference to London street gangs and the negative connotation of the word remained unless used in direct reference to Greek mythology


Posted By: tatee
Date Posted: Jul 26 2013 at 9:51am
Originally posted by kfoxx1998 kfoxx1998 wrote:

tatee the first one that comes to mind is Brotha Man.


yeah but is that really true tho'?   i used "gay" as an example because its acceptable to everyone.  no homosexual would be offended if a straight person called them gay.


Posted By: tatee
Date Posted: Jul 26 2013 at 9:51am
Originally posted by SamoneLenior SamoneLenior wrote:


stopped saying nappy yearsssss ago


why did you stop?


Posted By: tatee
Date Posted: Jul 26 2013 at 9:53am
Originally posted by jonesable jonesable wrote:

Ok this may not be the most clear cut answer but let's see here.

Take the word hector, its present meaning is negative , bully.
Of course it didnt start that way the original meaning was neutral and meant holder , stayer then it took on the meaning of meaning Valiant warrior after the Trojan hero.
But in the mid 1600s the word was used in reference to London street gangs and the negative connotation of the word remained.



sorry hun, i cant really relate to that exampleLOL but i tried


Posted By: kfoxx1998
Date Posted: Jul 26 2013 at 9:53am
I immediately thought of Hector, a Greek Hero from Greek mythology for some reasonLOL.   A lot of words came from that error of literature but retained the characteristics of how it was originally used.

Tatee - I'm on track now.  This is a guuuuud topic.  We need to analyze words in order to put them somewhere and decide how to use them.  We meaning everyone who speaks any language anywhere in the world.

Jones what else? 


Posted By: Anah
Date Posted: Jul 26 2013 at 9:54am
I was like Hector? That's my homeboys name. He's Dominican. Lmao!

So Jones are u saying we should take nappy back? Make it positive?


Posted By: jonesable
Date Posted: Jul 26 2013 at 9:54am
Maybe I took a wrong turn lol but I just meant to show that words can go from neutral to positive to negative and it just depends on what the current culture wants to bend it too.

Words are pliable but not instantaneously but they can shift meanings over generations if a society allows it


Posted By: Anah
Date Posted: Jul 26 2013 at 9:55am
I like kinky as well. Had some kinky liquer last night.

Wasn't as good as it sounded...


Posted By: kfoxx1998
Date Posted: Jul 26 2013 at 9:57am
Originally posted by tatee tatee wrote:

Originally posted by kfoxx1998 kfoxx1998 wrote:

tatee the first one that comes to mind is Brotha Man.


yeah but is that really true tho'?   i used "gay" as an example because its acceptable to everyone.  no homosexual would be offended if a straight person called them gay.


Okay yes it was a positive word, but turned to a negative for a very long period of time and then turned back very forcefully IMO.  The negative would indeed be lost on the generation after this happened because to them it didn't really ever exist.  For me it was almost one half of my life where you would get in trouble for saying it. 


Posted By: kfoxx1998
Date Posted: Jul 26 2013 at 10:00am
Yes Jones, it can be generational for sure!

ETA Example - It took me a really long time to get used to seeing the word coon on BHM.  Very strong objections were voiced by me but I finally got over it.  


Posted By: tatee
Date Posted: Jul 26 2013 at 10:03am
Originally posted by kfoxx1998 kfoxx1998 wrote:

Originally posted by tatee tatee wrote:

Originally posted by kfoxx1998 kfoxx1998 wrote:

tatee the first one that comes to mind is Brotha Man.


yeah but is that really true tho'?   i used "gay" as an example because its acceptable to everyone.  no homosexual would be offended if a straight person called them gay.


Okay yes it was a positive word, but turned to a negative for a very long period of time and then turned back very forcefully IMO.  The negative would indeed be lost on the generation after this happened because to them it didn't really ever exist.  For me it was almost one half of my life where you would get in trouble for saying it. 


hmmm i see what you mean.  i cant remember a time not being able to use the word gay but i guess there are people for whom that word may still have sting.


Posted By: jonesable
Date Posted: Jul 26 2013 at 10:06am
Originally posted by kfoxx1998 kfoxx1998 wrote:

Yes Jones, it can be generational for sure!

ETA Example - It took me a really long time to get used to seeing the word coon on BHM.  Very strong objections were voiced by me but I finally got over it.  



Yes



Posted By: kfoxx1998
Date Posted: Jul 26 2013 at 10:12am
Honestly I started to realize that this is a word that they can no longer use against this generation.  They be like kneegrow please.  That made me kind of happy.

It also took me a minute to get used to yt ppl being called kneegrow. 

Y'all are a trip, this is why I love you guysLOL


Posted By: tatee
Date Posted: Jul 26 2013 at 10:13am
Originally posted by SamoneLenior SamoneLenior wrote:


BHM is lazy

typing the correct term, uncle tom, takes too much energy

we all lazy cuz wasnt uncle tom originally a heroLOL


Posted By: kfoxx1998
Date Posted: Jul 26 2013 at 10:13am
True Samone.  I was yelling at them trying to keep it from sticking and getting them to use the right word and then I just gave upLOL


Posted By: tatee
Date Posted: Jul 26 2013 at 10:14am
Originally posted by kfoxx1998 kfoxx1998 wrote:

True Samone.  I was yelling at them trying to keep it from sticking and getting them to use the right word and then I just gave upLOL

 you fought the good fightLOL


Posted By: kfoxx1998
Date Posted: Jul 26 2013 at 10:15am
No, he was a traitor.  He helped massa keep them slaves in line.  Samuel L. Jackson in Django style.   Unless you know something else I don't ever remember a hero Tom.

So Funny BHM called him coon straight out the gate but by this time I knew what they meant.  Let me go find some info on nappy tatee..


Posted By: tatee
Date Posted: Jul 26 2013 at 10:17am
Originally posted by kfoxx1998 kfoxx1998 wrote:

No, he was a traitor.  He helped massa keep them slaves in line.  Samuel L. Jackson in Django style.   Unless you know something else I don't ever remember a hero Tom.


ok maybe my memory is wrong.  we had to read uncle toms cabin in high school and the only thing i remembered from the book was being confused at the use of the term uncle tom. 


Posted By: kfoxx1998
Date Posted: Jul 26 2013 at 10:21am
A diaper (also called a nappy in the United Kingdom) is a kind of underwear that allows one to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defecate" rel="nofollow - defecate or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urinate" rel="nofollow - urinate in a discreet manner.

The fck???  I had NO idea.  UK folks did y'all ever tell us, we are lazy!! LOL


Posted By: kfoxx1998
Date Posted: Jul 26 2013 at 10:27am
Originally posted by tatee tatee wrote:

Originally posted by kfoxx1998 kfoxx1998 wrote:

No, he was a traitor.  He helped massa keep them slaves in line.  Samuel L. Jackson in Django style.   Unless you know something else I don't ever remember a hero Tom.


ok maybe my memory is wrong.  we had to read uncle toms cabin in high school and the only thing i remembered from the book was being confused at the use of the term uncle tom. 


That's gotdamn miseducation of the negro bullsh*t.  And they teach us together and then teach the white kids the most ignorant parts of racism at home.   I swear they need to burn all curriculum and start over but as long as whites control education they will white wash everything.  They had me thinking slavery was just a blip and had nothing to do with us today. 

But yes they celebrated Uncle Toms Cabin when it was published but we read it (cause the mfckas finally decided to LET us read) we saw it totally different.   We put the Uncle Tom Character on the lowest ladder of the black community forEVER.


Posted By: tatee
Date Posted: Jul 26 2013 at 10:33am
i think i need to do some reading on reappropriation or reclamation of words.  im realizing that i may have been making some misguided assumption.  i found this http://web.archive.org/web/20051025220344/http://mpsa.indiana.edu/conf2003papers/1032831537.pdf" rel="nofollow - paper on the phenomenology of reclamation.  im going to read this later.


Posted By: kfoxx1998
Date Posted: Jul 26 2013 at 10:44am
Okay tatee.  I'm going to scan it too cause I'm in reading mode today.

I'm getting to the evolution of nappy now.  It almost seems like white people didn't even mean anything negative when they started to use this wordConfused

They started with thinking it looked like wool, which is cloth, "nap" being a fuzzy texture.  This was the best way they could think of it to describe our hair not seeing our curl patterns because slaves were so disheveled when they arrived and had no way to groom themselves.  In Africa they had beautiful curls the way we see ours today because of their hair care.   This is blowing my mind.  Thanks for the great topic. 

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e4/PSM_V05_D544_Fijian_hair_dressing_modes.jpg" rel="nofollow">File:PSM V05 D544 Fijian hair dressing modes.jpg


Posted By: blaquefoxx
Date Posted: Jul 26 2013 at 10:46am
Originally posted by SamoneLenior SamoneLenior wrote:


stopped saying nappy yearsssss ago
This...


Posted By: kfoxx1998
Date Posted: Jul 26 2013 at 10:52am
And I can't find other good sources about "nappy hair" quickly so if you have time look at this wikipedia article.  Its actually pretty good although even Wikipedia redirects to "afro-textured" when you type in nappy hairTongue.   If you find a paper post it for me please!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afro-textured_hair" rel="nofollow - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afro-textured_hair

Very interesting and give examples of what I mean above showing the evolution of our hair journey and how it related to the transatlantic trade vs. in Africa.  I'm a bit impressedLOL

Excerpt for now:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_diaspora" rel="nofollow - Diasporic Africans in the Americas have been experimenting with ways to style their hair since their arrival in the Western Hemisphere well before the 19th century. During the approximately 400 years of the Trans- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_slave_trade" rel="nofollow - Atlantic slave trade that forcibly extracted over 20 million people from their indigenous homes, chaining them to sell as human capital, the beauty ideals pertaining to their own natural hair changed drastically. The visibility, and pride, seen in pre-colonial Africa regarding the afro-hair texture became sparse. Imported slaves were mostly young, generally between the ages of 10 and 24. Upon arrival to the Americas, slaves lacked the skills, tools and ability to meet local aesthetic standards. The issue was most particular to women. Furthermore, there was no time for hair grooming as slave masters worked their subjects 12–15 hours a day, 7 days a week. The barbaric and desperate social climate left slaves with little concern for grooming and personal well-being. The carefully crafted combs and tools available for hair grooming in their homeland were no where to be found in the new world. American slaves wore matted and tangled locks, instead of the well maintained, long, thick and healthy tresses worn by their brethren left in Africa.

To resolve this, slaves began using sheep fleece carding tools to detangle their hair which resulted in widespread scalp diseases such as lice and dandruff. Slaves invented remedies for disinfecting and cleansing their scalp such as applying kerosine or cornmeal directly on the scalp with a cloth as they carefully parted through the hair. In the fields, male slaves shaved their hair and wore hats to protect their scalps against the sun; female slaves wore http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scarf" rel="nofollow - scarves and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Handkerchief" rel="nofollow - handkerchiefs . The aesthetic norm for house slaves was to appear neat and clean. The men sometimes wore wigs mimicking their white masters, and even wore hairstyles resembling theirs, while the women plaited and braided their hair. Women with long and/or wavy hair were prone to becoming objects of jealousy by the master's wife and were often forced to cut their hair, making them look less feminine.

When the 19th century arrived, new laws were passed that enabled slaves to set aside http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunday" rel="nofollow - Sunday as a day for attending church, socializing, and styling each other's hair. The women, who wore their hair bound in cotton rollers all week, would remove their scarves, allowing their curls to hang past their shoulders. With more time to spend on hair grooming, slaves further invented and evolved their techniques. Men began using http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axle_grease" rel="nofollow - axle grease to straighten and dye their hair. Cooking grease such as lard, butter, and goose grease were used to moisturize the hair. A hot butter knife was sometimes used, afterwards, by female slaves to add curls to their locks.

Overloaded with the suggestion that straight hair was more acceptable than natural, kinky/curly hair textures, slaves and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedmen" rel="nofollow - freedmen began exploring solutions for straightening, or relaxing, their tresses. One toxic solution was a mixture of lye and potato which burned the scalp upon contact. Among whites and African-Americans alike, those with lighter skin and 'straighter' hair textures were better embraced socially, and were offered the luxury of upward mobility. Afro-textured hair was often referred to as 'wool', along with darker skin tones, this physical characteristic was generally seen as something bad that 'needed to be fixed'. During the mid-19th century afro-textured hair was basically outlawed in New Orleans. While in public, African-American women with kinkier hair textures were to cover their hair with a scarf.



Posted By: tatee
Date Posted: Jul 26 2013 at 10:54am
Originally posted by blaquefoxx blaquefoxx wrote:

Originally posted by SamoneLenior SamoneLenior wrote:


stopped saying nappy yearsssss ago
This...


you wanna tell us why?


Posted By: kfoxx1998
Date Posted: Jul 26 2013 at 11:04am
lol cherry.

It makes sense after I looked further.  Nap = cloth = cloth diaper.  I get it.  US and UK at least from what I know stay making words sound more clever or shorter and messing everything up, confusing meLOL

And we know the UK is where all those colonist came from in the first place so there you have it.    Another way of saying fuzzy cloth or wool.




Posted By: blaquefoxx
Date Posted: Jul 26 2013 at 11:05am
Regarding the article, we as women wore scarves/head-wraps waaaaay before we got here. It irks me when people associate head-wraps with slaves and or "aunt jememima". Even in our lowest state we still tried to maintain some sense of normalcy/identity.

@ Tatee, the term nappy always seemed so negative to me. I may have to blame society and my peers for that.



http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=kinky&allowed_in_frame=0" rel="nofollow - kinky (adj.) http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=kinky" rel="nofollow">Look up kinky at Dictionary.com
1844, "full of kinks, twisted, curly," from http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=kink&allowed_in_frame=0" rel="nofollow - kink + http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=-y&allowed_in_frame=0" rel="nofollow - -y (2). Meaning "odd, eccentric, crotchety" is from 1859
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=nappy&allowed_in_frame=0" rel="nofollow - nappy (adj.) http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=nappy" rel="nofollow">Look up nappy at Dictionary.com
"downy," late 15c., from http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=nap&allowed_in_frame=0" rel="nofollow - nap (n.1) + http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=-y&allowed_in_frame=0" rel="nofollow - -y (2). Meaning "fuzzy, kinky," used in colloquial or derogatory reference to the hair of black people, is from 1950.



Posted By: tatee
Date Posted: Jul 26 2013 at 11:05am


Summary
This book is fashioned after the call-and-response form of storytelling created by the slaves in the 1800s. Brenda, a young black girl, has VERY kinky hair, and her Uncle Mordecai comments on it. He compares it to many things (the desert, snow), then asks if she’s ashamed. She says no, she’s beautiful, and the only girl who knows how to talk right (in the King’s English). She talks about how she got her hair from God because He wanted nappy hair on earth, how her ancestors had hair like that and came over with slavery, and that God says her hair is the only perfect circle in nature.

Interpretation
The book sets itself apart from other children’s books because of its form: the call and response. As Carolivia Herron explains on her http://www.carolivia.org/nappyhair/book.html" rel="nofollow - website :

“The Nappy Hair story is like a praise song from West Africa. In a praise song the poet or "griot" (say 'gree-oh') praises the chief or leader of the people. Although the song is supposed to be all praise, sometimes the griot tries to find a way to tell the chief how to improve.”

Uncle Mordecai is the griot in Nappy Hair and the audience’s response is indicated by its bolder typeface and paragraph indentation. This form lends itself well to being read out loud, especially in dialogue form, but conversely is not as successful when it isn’t spoken.

The history of this book has been surrounded by controversy. In September of 1998, Ruth Sherman, a white 3rd grade teacher at P.S. 75 in Brooklyn, New York, decided to teach the book Nappy Hair to her students. Her lesson endeavored to teach racial tolerance and acceptance to her mostly Black and Hispanic students. The students loved the book, and eagerly asked for more copies of the book to carry around. Ms. Sherman made copies of different pages in the book, which were discovered two months later by a parent. The parent was offended by the material, and began distributing pages from the book with demeaning racial commentary about Ms. Sherman in the margin. This event snowballed into more and more outrage in the community, until the school board was forced to hold an inquiry about the lesson plan. Ms. Sherman was found innocent of all wrongdoing, but was afraid for her safety and transferred to another school. Carolivia Herron fully supported Sherman’s use of the book in her classroom, saying that it was consistent with the message of affirmation of unique black characteristics that she was trying to accomplish in the book. For news articles about the controversy, visit http://www.carolivia.org/nappyhair/contro.html" rel="nofollow - Carolivia Herron’s website page about the controversy or http://www.adversity.net/special/nappy_hair.htm" rel="nofollow - adversity.net’s website about the book

http://www.umich.edu/~childlit/Nappy_Hair/Nappyframeset1.htm" rel="nofollow - http://www.umich.edu/~childlit/Nappy_Hair/Nappyframeset1.htm


Posted By: kfoxx1998
Date Posted: Jul 26 2013 at 11:09am
Originally posted by blaquefoxx blaquefoxx wrote:

Regarding the article, we as women wore scarves/head-wraps waaaaay before we got here. It irks me when people associate head-wraps with slaves and or "aunt jememima". Even in our lowest state we still tried to maintain some sense of normalcy/identity.


Yes.  They were so fascinated like it was an American invention. 

The only reason they never saw these things from jump is because of the conditions that they created.  It sounds like it took a while for the slaves to "normalize" their lives after the crossing.  Who cares about doing their hair when half of them wouldn't even survive the trip.  So sad when you think about it.


Posted By: kfoxx1998
Date Posted: Jul 26 2013 at 11:22am
Aww man tatee.  It sounds like that was a blowback from our own negative connotation of the word.  I see what the teacher was trying to do but she was in the danger zone.  It would have been better receive by the parents I think from a black teacher?

This made me think of my son who is an altogether different generation.  He loves nothing more than going to school with the biggest afro on the planet.  It drives dad crazy but I encourage him, he loves his hair and his friends go crazy like "cool".  He has this one mixed friend and his mom keeps his hair brushcut because she doesn't know how to do it.  He is the one who absolutely wants that afro badLOL!  They are 9 now and I can't wait to see the two of them at 18.  I suspect they will be the opposite. 


Posted By: uppitynegroid
Date Posted: Jul 26 2013 at 1:09pm
Happy to be nappy.


Posted By: yaya24
Date Posted: Jul 26 2013 at 1:15pm
I generally don't use the term nappy unless I'm taking about bad weave.
"My weave/wig is getting all nappy, I need to brush it"..
I associate nappy with being a "bad" thing.

But I do not see a problem with black people calling their natural hair nappy..whatevs.

On the other hand, if a white person called my hair nappy, we'd have a problem.


Posted By: Rumbera
Date Posted: Jul 26 2013 at 1:32pm
Nappy is not happy word among some of my family members.
 
When I did the big chop my cousin made sure that I knew my hair was nappy. She took it a step further and said, if you had a girl she would've have nappy hair like you not good hair like the boys.
 
She has some serious color and hair issues, that a whole nutha story.
 
For me the word is not bad, I've called my own hair nappy or curly. I don't like kinky at all.
 


Posted By: carolina cutie
Date Posted: Jul 26 2013 at 2:17pm
I use nappy, kinky and/or kinky curly to describe my hair. I don't see nappy as a bad word describing my hair *unless* someone is trying to use it as an insult. Then we will have pro-lems.LOL


Posted By: BBpants
Date Posted: Jul 26 2013 at 2:39pm
I use nappy but I side eye anyone else who calls my hair nappy cuz it's usually meant in a negative way.


Posted By: ThoughtCouture
Date Posted: Jul 26 2013 at 3:08pm

i don't mind nappy...



Posted By: Lady ICE
Date Posted: Jul 26 2013 at 3:31pm
i call my hair nappy all the time... either that or i call it a rosebush.. cause thats what it looks like.

Confused
Ermm


Posted By: PurplePhase
Date Posted: Jul 26 2013 at 3:40pm
I haven't since the 80's.
I usually say bushy hair; maybe coarse.


Posted By: PurplePhase
Date Posted: Jul 26 2013 at 3:41pm
  bushy may be offensive to some too though.


Posted By: juniordetective
Date Posted: Jul 26 2013 at 4:24pm
Don't like the word nappy. Never really hear people say it in my family. My boyfriend has said it when referring to his hair when it's not combed. I call mine curly, because that's what it is. Nappy sounds negative. My mother's side never used or used it. My stepdad has used it before. I will never use it.


Posted By: Midna
Date Posted: Jul 26 2013 at 4:49pm
I just say kinky.

Some people get the wrong impression though.


Posted By: kfoxx1998
Date Posted: Jul 26 2013 at 8:54pm
tatee I thought of another way this word fckery works.  Republicans tend to make "liberal", "progressive", "communist", "nature-lover" and a whole host of non-republican words sound like poison coming out of anyone's mouth.   Their constituents eat it up.

You got me feeling like we really need to solve something with the word "nappy", either keep it or kill itLOL

Its not even our word and its starting to seem like we're the only ones who still use it.


Posted By: tatee
Date Posted: Jul 27 2013 at 10:36am
Originally posted by kfoxx1998 kfoxx1998 wrote:

tatee I thought of another way this word fckery works.  Republicans tend to make "liberal", "progressive", "communist", "nature-lover" and a whole host of non-republican words sound like poison coming out of anyone's mouth.   Their constituents eat it up.

You got me feeling like we really need to solve something with the word "nappy", either keep it or kill itLOL

Its not even our word and its starting to seem like we're the only ones who still use it.


i guess i feel  words definitely should be evaluated. i just find more and more that i need to think about the words i use, how i use them and what they say about me and how i feel about others.
i have a hard time seeing or finding the balance of saying something to exhibit pride but on the other hand hurtful if said by an outsider.

im reading this thread about BB live feeds and apparently Amanda last night was mad at Candice for wearing her head-band and said "put it on her greasy, nappy hair head without asking".

so that would piss me off but if im "happy to be nappy" am i telling the world that i should be more mad about her calling her hair greasy.LOL idk


Posted By: nekamarie83
Date Posted: Jul 27 2013 at 12:12pm
Originally posted by tatee tatee wrote:

do you use the word to describe your hair or others? yes if not what alternative do you use? I do also use: kinky, coily

if you're fine with it, how do you feel about other races referring to your hair as nappy? it's actually not come up personally. i'd rather them not though-- regardless of race. usually with other people (black included) nappy is used negatively and you're not about to insult me or my "hairitage" as it were.


Posted By: Printer_Ink
Date Posted: Jul 27 2013 at 1:11pm
My 4b/c hair is nappy or kinky .. either word is fine. I never associated the word nappy as a negative connotation.
 
You folks are too sensitive .. and it's not working for you.


Posted By: ms_wonderland
Date Posted: Jul 27 2013 at 1:14pm
nappy is not a bad word...it feels the same way as someone using the term black...it really depends on the intent behind the use of the word.  i do lol at black ppl talkin about proud to be nappy when their natural hair ain't even nappy.  



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