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Posted By: Alias_Avi
Subject: Volkswagen ‘Jamaican Super Bowl ad sparks de
Date Posted: Jan 29 2013 at 1:03pm
Do you see the issue with this commercial?


Volkswagen’s ‘Jamaican’ Super Bowl ad sparks debate

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Posted By: Cocoa
Date Posted: Jan 29 2013 at 1:27pm
*shrugs* i like it......

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Posted By: aurora_sky
Date Posted: Jan 29 2013 at 1:32pm
I chuckled...it was cute.


Posted By: beautiful-stranger
Date Posted: Jan 29 2013 at 1:36pm
me and my sister thought it was funny as hell.

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Posted By: Sang Froid
Date Posted: Jan 29 2013 at 1:38pm
I see no issue.
I'm sooo sick of fake offended people.


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Posted By: Prazol60
Date Posted: Jan 29 2013 at 1:46pm
I thought it was cute and makes me want a VW

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Posted By: Ladybird0724
Date Posted: Jan 29 2013 at 1:47pm
it didn't offend me, wouldn't bother me if someone was offended

i don't like the new vw beetle, though.


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Posted By: Bunnyahh
Date Posted: Jan 29 2013 at 1:51pm
is anybody above my post of jamaican descent?

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Posted By: Naturalchick30
Date Posted: Jan 29 2013 at 2:00pm
Meh, didn't bother me.

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Posted By: jonesable
Date Posted: Jan 29 2013 at 2:03pm
Bunny are you offended ?

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Posted By: Bunnyahh
Date Posted: Jan 29 2013 at 2:05pm
Originally posted by jonesable jonesable wrote:

Bunny are you offended ?
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Posted By: Brownsugar1
Date Posted: Jan 29 2013 at 2:15pm
Me like it

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Posted By: Alias_Avi
Date Posted: Jan 29 2013 at 2:19pm
lol @ the "didn't offend me" comments

Obviously, if you aren't Jamaican then you aren't the one to be offended lol


I didn't notice of the problem the commercial but after hearing why people were offended I completely understand why someone would take offense


Posted By: Yardgirl
Date Posted: Jan 29 2013 at 2:28pm
How many times are we going to be portrayed as happy-go-lucky simpletons?

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Posted By: tatee
Date Posted: Jan 29 2013 at 2:28pm
am i the only one who tensed up when the guy said " i hate mondays" and the girl cosigned? LOL man, yt got me shook with simple statementsLOL

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Posted By: tatee
Date Posted: Jan 29 2013 at 2:41pm
now that i think of it, they did that sh*t on purpose ytLOL

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Posted By: ImThatDiva
Date Posted: Jan 29 2013 at 2:45pm
We don't all have the same accent so why would they say people of Caribbean descent be offended?
Martiniquais, Haitians, Cubans, Dominicans, etc. definitely don't have that accent.
Anyway, I'm not offended by this but I give it a heavy side eye. The commercial is just dumb to me.


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Posted By: Bunnyahh
Date Posted: Jan 29 2013 at 2:49pm
Originally posted by ImThatDiva ImThatDiva wrote:

We don't all have the same accent so why would they say people of Caribbean descent be offended?
Martiniquais, Haitians, Cubans, Dominicans, etc. definitely don't have that accent.
Anyway, I'm not offended by this but I give it a heavy side eye. The commercial is just dumb to me.
true enough that all of those places are in the caribbean, but most of the time when the average joe makes a reference to west indian/caribbean, they are talking about jamaicans

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Posted By: texasmami0117
Date Posted: Jan 29 2013 at 3:14pm
It should have been Leanin Leon LOL


Posted By: Sleek
Date Posted: Jan 29 2013 at 3:24pm
Not offended at all

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Posted By: sweetskul
Date Posted: Jan 29 2013 at 3:32pm
Originally posted by Yardgirl Yardgirl wrote:

How many times are we going to be portrayed as happy-go-lucky simpletons?
at first i said this but then i was like can we really be mad when they aren't doing anything or saying anything bad they are portraying us as happy ppl i cant get mad at that ..shoot even the jamaican vacation adverts protray as happy ppl 


Posted By: sexyandfamous
Date Posted: Jan 29 2013 at 4:58pm
No, I think he was trying for a German accent and failed miserably. Didn't anyone notice that in the end it shows something in German below the Volkswagen logo?

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Posted By: jonesable
Date Posted: Jan 29 2013 at 5:16pm
It's a German made car

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Posted By: JasonWllms55
Date Posted: Jan 30 2013 at 8:34am
why would someone take offense to this? there are "white jamaicans"

i didnt see any weed, dreadlocks, or any other stereotypical "jamaican" stuff. 


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Posted By: Bunnyahh
Date Posted: Jan 30 2013 at 8:42am
Originally posted by JasonWllms55 JasonWllms55 wrote:

why would someone take offense to this? there are "white jamaicans"

i didnt see any weed, dreadlocks, or any other stereotypical "jamaican" stuff. 
Confused
 
 
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Posted By: Veemack
Date Posted: Jan 30 2013 at 8:44am
Originally posted by sweetskul sweetskul wrote:

Originally posted by Yardgirl Yardgirl wrote:

How many times are we going to be portrayed as happy-go-lucky simpletons?
at first i said this but then i was like can we really be mad when they aren't doing anything or saying anything bad they are portraying us as happy ppl i cant get mad at that ..shoot even the jamaican vacation adverts protray as happy ppl 
I agree with your statement. I like the commercial I have never viewed Jamaicans as simple acting. I see happy go lucky hard working people. And the commerical was more so making a reference to white folks not being so stuffy, but happier. The same thing happens when someone want to come off as tough or hip, they may use a thug black guy accent. And then when someone wants to portray stuffy or boring they use an stuffy white man accent.


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Posted By: Wildfire
Date Posted: Jan 30 2013 at 11:55am
Originally posted by sweetskul sweetskul wrote:

Originally posted by Yardgirl Yardgirl wrote:

How many times are we going to be portrayed as happy-go-lucky simpletons?
at first i said this but then i was like can we really be mad when they aren't doing anything or saying anything bad they are portraying us as happy ppl i cant get mad at that ..shoot even the jamaican vacation adverts protray as happy ppl 


i dont think were portrayed as simpletons --more like natives'...not the same...but that can get annoying too...
however, i really cant see what the harm in the ad is....so are we to be offended by all those movies in which actors portray us, or culture, etc?
Why?



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Posted By: Wildfire
Date Posted: Jan 30 2013 at 11:57am
Originally posted by JasonWllms55 JasonWllms55 wrote:

why would someone take offense to this? there are "white jamaicans"

i didnt see any weed, dreadlocks, or any other stereotypical "jamaican" stuff. 


IA

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Posted By: nitabug
Date Posted: Jan 30 2013 at 3:47pm
Originally posted by tatee tatee wrote:

am i the only one who tensed up when the guy said " i hate mondays" and the girl cosigned? LOL man, yt got me shook with simple statementsLOL

lmao. I did too.
But yea, if they had a aa stereotypical "accent" I'd be upset too.


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Posted By: nitabug
Date Posted: Jan 30 2013 at 3:49pm
Originally posted by sexyandfamous sexyandfamous wrote:

No, I think he was trying for a German accent and failed miserably. Didn't anyone notice that in the end it shows something in German below the Volkswagen logo?


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Posted By: Wildfire
Date Posted: Jan 30 2013 at 3:52pm
Originally posted by nitabug nitabug wrote:

Originally posted by tatee tatee wrote:

am i the only one who tensed up when the guy said " i hate mondays" and the girl cosigned? LOL man, yt got me shook with simple statementsLOL

lmao. I did too.
But yea, if they had a aa stereotypical "accent" I'd be upset too.


It is not stereotypical IMO. They didnt get the accent down pat, but it isnt a stereotype....we do have a caribbean accent...



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Posted By: Alias_Avi
Date Posted: Feb 05 2013 at 9:39am
For some reason, i feel like this will go past the heads of many but i shall post anyways

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The Least Happy Jamaican: On Volkswagen’s Super Bowl Commercial

By http://www.racialicious.com/author/guest/" rel="nofollow - Guest Contributor On February 4, 2013 · http://www.racialicious.com/2013/02/04/the-least-happy-jamaican-on-volkswagens-super-bowl-commercial/#disqus_thread" rel="nofollow - 0 Comments and 34 Reactions

By Guest Contributor Suzanne Persard

Am I the last Jamaican to miss the happiness train?

After millions of hits on YouTube and a whirl of international attention, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9H0xPWAtaa8" rel="nofollow - arguably the most popular commercial Volkswagen has ever aired , has been approved by http://jezebel.com/5979933/volkswagen-consulted-100-jamaicans-to-make-sure-their-new-commercial-isnt-racist" rel="nofollow - “100 Jamaicans ,” hailed as humorous by hundreds of other Jamaicans, and http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/news/Yea-mon-Gov-t--Opposition-endorse-VW-Superbowl-ad_13527595" rel="nofollow - endorsed by the Jamaican Minister of Tourism .

The ad features a white man from Minnesota speaking exaggeratedly in patois, urging his unhappy coworkers to become happier with phrases like, “Yuh know what dis room needs? A smile!”  Clearly, this is Volkswagen’s way of telling you, Jamaicans are happy! You should be happy, too! Buy a 2013 Volkswagen Beetle and get happy!

According to Volkswagen, those 100 Jamaicans were involved in the screening of the ad so the German automobile giant could guarantee it wasn’t racist. A speech coach was also involved, according to Volkswagen, because to parody an entire people you’ve clearly got to make sure you’ve nailed that exotic accent.

With overwhelming approval from the public in the form of thousands of virtual “likes,” and Jamaicans posting on YouTube and https://www.facebook.com/JamaicansForVolkswagen" rel="nofollow - Facebook with notes like, “I’m Jamaican, and I approve!,” it would seem that Volkswagen has won the battle waged by blatant racialized mockery disguised as ambiguous feel-good humor.

To be fair, there are Jamaicans of many races, including Indo-Jamaicans, Chinese Jamaicans, multi-racial Jamaicans, and yes, white Jamaicans. But Volkswagen’s aim wasn’t to present the multiculturalism of the island; instead, the ad was intentionally a caricature of Jamaican people, reinforcing a national identity typecast as ganja-smoking, lazying-away-in-the-sun-at-their-own-pace island folk. You know, just like those http://www.forgotmysouvenirs.com/rasta-legalize-it.html" rel="nofollow - clay souvenirs of wide-toothed Rastafarians with enormous spliffs dangling from their mouths or key chains embossed with http://www.cinescene.com/dash/life&debt.htm" rel="nofollow - smiley faces sprouting dreadlocks  and a byline exclaiming, “No Problem!”

Matt Lauer of NBC’s Today Show responded to his colleagues’ uneasiness with the ad by saying, “I thought, ‘If you buy this car, it puts you in a happy place, and what’s happier than the memories we all have of being on beautiful islands on island time?”  Matt might want to Google “neo-colonialism.” He should also check out http://www.jamaicaforsale.net/" rel="nofollow - Jamaica for Sale and http://www.cinescene.com/dash/life&debt.htm" rel="nofollow - Life and Debt.

The tourism that Lauer references in the commercial is not without consequences. The relationship between tourism and the Jamaican economy is complicated; it’s the Catch-22 of post-colonialism where rich Americans and Europeans come spend their money on an island whose people need these dollars.  Tourists oblivious to their role in perpetuating a system that allows them to consume and walk away unscathed, while the realities of poverty http://jamaica-gleaner.com/gleaner/20121209/news/news93.html" rel="nofollow - plague an entire country . For the tourists that can afford luxurious stays in Negril and Ocho Rios, at the cost of thousands of US dollars per vacation, the average Jamaican https://chronicle.com/blogs/brainstorm/fridays-flicks-jamaica-for-sale/6946" rel="nofollow - earns the equivalent of $1 US per hour constructing these hotels. You can be sure they aren’t working on island time.

What about that easygoing, laid-back island attitude?  At a rate of 13 percent unemployment, conflating an easygoing attitude with poverty is a detrimental conclusion. To put the gravity of Jamaica’s poverty in perspective, the US unemployment rate is about http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/02/business/economy/us-adds-157000-jobs-unemployment-rate-edges-up-to-7-9.html?_r=0" rel="nofollow - 8 percent ; http://jamaica-gleaner.com/gleaner/20121105/lead/lead4.html" rel="nofollow - an unemployment rate of 13 percent is devastatingly high for a country you could pick up and drop in the middle of Connecticut.

In addition to the problematic generalization of Jamaicans as happy-go-lucky and carefree, our accent seems to lend itself to a special attention for parodying. (Remember Miss Cleo, who skyrocketed to psychic television fame with her unconvincing accent? And everyone who thought they could pull off a https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jpdg5XOZZDY" rel="nofollow - Cool Runnings accent?) The fact that patois is a dialect and not a language implicitly allows the media to mock the Jamaican accent in a way that would be unacceptable and unabashedly racist for any other culture.

As a dialect, speaking patois is immediately delegitimized because, according to post-colonial doctrine, English is the superior and the obvious standard. Our dialect is a stepchild to the more sophisticated speech of English and, consequently, we aren’t to be taken nearly as seriously as all those other folks who are speaking properly. Patois is assumed to be the language of the lower-class, uneducated masses, a highly problematic assumption given Jamaica’s post-colonial history. Essentially, speaking the Queen’s English is the aspiration; otherwise our very speech is deficient. Mocking our accent must be more acceptable then because our dialect is inherently downgraded via post-colonialism.

Those “100 Jamaicans” Volkswagen claims to have screened might say that we are, and hundreds more on social media sites might continue hitting that virtual “like.” As a Jamaican exhausted by parodies of our feel-good, catering-to-tourists-sipping-piña-coladas island culture, I’m ready to endure the blows for sticking to the unpopular opinion on this one.  We are “out of many, one people,” but a sampling of a population is not sufficient to speak for an entire people; most of all, they do not speak for me. Stamps of approval from your Jamaican friend, major media outlets that claim we’re being http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxmPCCMwHLY" rel="nofollow - “too sensitive” about race, and Volkswagen’s focus group do not equate to a post-racial society where mocking a national identity is acceptable. The very idea that Volkswagen believes a focus group is capable of screening racism–and that racism can even be screened–is in itself telling.

The reasons for complicity may be manifold, and the double-edged, neo-colonial sword of Caribbean tourism remains a social and economic conundrum, clearly reinforced by Western projections of so-called harmless stereotypes.  But ads like this present an important opportunity for interrogating the structures bolstering racism, resisting mainstream narratives, and demanding accountability. When Ashton Kutcher played the role of Raj the Bollywood Producer  http://www.racialicious.com/2012/05/03/half-baked-popchips-and-ashton-kutchers-brownface-fiasco/" rel="nofollow - in a similarly offensive Pop Chips ad, the masses overwhelmingly declared it to be racist and the ad was pulled.  So where’s the public outcry? Are we simply as happy and carefree as Volkswagen says we are?

In the meantime, I’d like to talk to those 100 other Jamaicans.  And while I’m at it, Matt Lauer.



Posted By: Bunnyahh
Date Posted: Feb 05 2013 at 9:48am
funny how nobody saw it from this side.  But I'm not surprised.  bhm picks & chooses what to offend & defend.
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Posted By: Tbaby
Date Posted: Feb 05 2013 at 9:55am
Yall need to turn your frowns up side down LOL

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Posted By: Bunnyahh
Date Posted: Feb 05 2013 at 10:02am
who is "yall"?

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Posted By: rickysrose
Date Posted: Feb 05 2013 at 10:02am

I understand why people would be offended when looking at it from an AA perspective but there is a difference

the accent and sayings were relatively authentic, not a caricature 

and the majority of jamaicans are proud to be jamaican 

... and by proud I mean from what I read here, AAs generally would be offended by being represented with ebonics or inner city colloquialisms (understandable given american history) ... jamaicans are generally proud of the accent and patois, even if they don't use patois everyday, most will use it on occasion in certain situations










Posted By: Bunnyahh
Date Posted: Feb 05 2013 at 10:10am
Originally posted by rickysrose rickysrose wrote:


I understand why people would be offended when looking at it from an AA perspective but there is a difference

the accent and sayings were relatively authentic, not a caricature 

and the majority of jamaicans are proud to be jamaican 

... and by proud I mean from what I read here, AAs generally would be offended by being represented with ebonics or inner city colloquialisms (understandable given american history) ... jamaicans are generally proud of the accent and patois, even if they don't use patois everyday, most will use it on occasion in certain situations



 
Which is what I originally thought of when I saw this.  If the shoe were on the other foot & they were making fun of blk americans vernacular whether it be southern, slang, ebonics, west coast, east coast etc..  If a bunch of whites came with the yo yo yo son, why yall mad yo.  This coffee is poppin my nig!  stop  mean muggin & turn that frown upside down.  This office needs a pick me up, lets go for a ride in my whip gawd.
 
oh yes, how hilarious & non-offensive that commercial would be now, wouldn't itErmm


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Posted By: Missvw
Date Posted: Feb 05 2013 at 10:18am
It's stupid


Posted By: rickysrose
Date Posted: Feb 05 2013 at 10:36am

jamaican and african american attitudes about heritage are different ... that difference illustrates why generally, jamaicans would not necessarily be offended by the commercial

generally jamaicans are not offended 
- by being identified as jamaican or associated with other jamaicans
- by the jamaican accent or patois (jamaican colloquialisms) .. most will use patois on occasion
of course if the accent is a caricature that is different

btw, this is not a dig against AAs ... not at all.  there are deliberate, long standing institutionalized reasons why AA culture is viewed the way it is by AAs and why there is conflict in defining and embracing a cohesive, unifying AA culture

just my opinion ... agree or disagree







Posted By: Bunnyahh
Date Posted: Feb 05 2013 at 10:42am
Originally posted by rickysrose rickysrose wrote:


jamaican and african american attitudes about heritage are different ... that difference illustrates why generally, jamaicans would not necessarily be offended by the commercial

generally jamaicans are not offended 
- by being identified as jamaican or associated with other jamaicans
- by the jamaican accent or patois (jamaican colloquialisms) .. most will use patois on occasion
of course if the accent is a caricature that is different

btw, this is not a dig against AAs ... not at all.  there are deliberate, long standing institutionalized reasons why AA culture is viewed the way it is by AAs and why there is conflict in defining and embracing a cohesive, unifying AA culture

just my opinion ... agree or disagree





it could be said about any other group.  If a bunch of white ppl imitated indians or chinese or aficans, etc...  The ppl being mocked may feel the same way.  Just being objective here

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Posted By: Alias_Avi
Date Posted: Feb 05 2013 at 10:51am
Ricky

It has less to do with who's offended and more to do with who's doing the offending

100% of Jamaicans could have no problem with this ad and this ad could still be a product of White ignorance

"Positive stereotyping" is still stereotyping. No person of color should endorse their group being portrayed as simple and monolith... then you really can't be mad when you're portrayed as simple and monolith in a negative light


Posted By: rickysrose
Date Posted: Feb 05 2013 at 10:59am
whites are unarguably monolith

that is one of racism's victories ... convincing groups they've marginalized into disbanding in order to prove their individual value





Posted By: india100
Date Posted: Feb 05 2013 at 11:21am
Originally posted by Prazol60 Prazol60 wrote:

I thought it was cute and makes me want a VW


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Posted By: ms_wonderland
Date Posted: Feb 05 2013 at 12:08pm
In class right now...professor asked everyone's favorite commercial...Asian white blk all excited about the Volkswagen commercial...


Posted By: OoDles O
Date Posted: Feb 05 2013 at 12:23pm
funny cause "Germans" are seen as super serious machines who are highly unfunny beer drinkers... lets not forget that whole WW2 thing.

I can see why Volkswagen would aim for "the happiest" perceived group of people and utilize their positive spirit in a new ad. 


Posted By: iNFATUATE
Date Posted: Feb 05 2013 at 2:42pm
Yt people are stupid.


Posted By: Wildfire
Date Posted: Feb 05 2013 at 2:55pm
Originally posted by Alias_Avi Alias_Avi wrote:

Ricky

It has less to do with who's offended and more to do with who's doing the offending

100% of Jamaicans could have no problem with this ad and this ad could still be a product of White ignorance

"Positive stereotyping" is still stereotyping. No person of color should endorse their group being portrayed as simple and monolith... then you really can't be mad when you're portrayed as simple and monolith in a negative light


Happy isnt a synonym for simple. I truly do not believe that's whats being portrayed in this ad. Jamaicans are known for our "no problem" laid back persona and culture. Its the truth. Was Bey mocking us too when she dutty whined and used our dialect? I dont think so. There are even white re e artists...is that a negative thing?
Of all the countries in the Caribbean, they choosed JA and I think thats because of our uniqueness and culture and the impact we have made worldwide as a small island nation.
Brand jamaica has benefited from the VW ad without a dollar being spent on our part.
thats a positive if you ask me.



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Posted By: Wildfire
Date Posted: Feb 05 2013 at 2:56pm
Originally posted by rickysrose rickysrose wrote:


I understand why people would be offended when looking at it from an AA perspective but there is a difference

the accent and sayings were relatively authentic, not a caricature 

and the majority of jamaicans are proud to be jamaican 

... and by proud I mean from what I read here, AAs generally would be offended by being represented with ebonics or inner city colloquialisms (understandable given american history) ... jamaicans are generally proud of the accent and patois, even if they don't use patois everyday, most will use it on occasion in certain situations











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Posted By: carolina cutie
Date Posted: Feb 05 2013 at 2:59pm
I just don't trust 'em.

I find it funny they had no Black folk in the commercial. Hmmm.

I just don't trust 'em lol


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Posted By: ms_wonderland
Date Posted: Feb 05 2013 at 3:03pm
Originally posted by carolina cutie carolina cutie wrote:

I just don't trust 'em.

I find it funny they had no Black folk in the commercial. Hmmm.

I just don't trust 'em lol




Lol No blk folk? Hmmm may need to rewatch.


Posted By: modelbusiness82
Date Posted: Feb 05 2013 at 3:07pm
Black ppl aren't the only ones who can have Jamaican accents. I've met plenty of Indian, Asian, Hispanic & White ppl in Jamaica with ridiculously strong accents.

This is just much ado about nothing. Some ppl just need to constantly be in a state of "I'm offended" to feel relevant.


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Posted By: Bunnyahh
Date Posted: Feb 05 2013 at 3:08pm
Originally posted by ms_wonderland ms_wonderland wrote:

Originally posted by carolina cutie carolina cutie wrote:

I just don't trust 'em.

I find it funny they had no Black folk in the commercial. Hmmm.

I just don't trust 'em lol




Lol No blk folk? Hmmm may need to rewatch.
what bothered me was when JW came in here saying "its not offensive, there are white ppl in jamaica"  That is NOT the point & in the commercial the guy says he's from minnesota.Ermm

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Posted By: Bunnyahh
Date Posted: Feb 05 2013 at 3:09pm
Originally posted by modelbusiness82 modelbusiness82 wrote:

Black ppl aren't the only ones who can have Jamaican accents. I've met plenty of Indian, Asian, Hispanic & White ppl in Jamaica with ridiculously strong accents.

This is just much ado about nothing. Some ppl just need to constantly be in a state of "I'm offended" to feel relevant.
like u were when that drunken trash got asked about an STD?
ok, gotcha


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Posted By: coconess
Date Posted: Feb 05 2013 at 3:10pm
Originally posted by modelbusiness82 modelbusiness82 wrote:

Black ppl aren't the only ones who can have Jamaican accents. I've met plenty of Indian, Asian, Hispanic & White ppl in Jamaica with ridiculously strong accents.

This is just much ado about nothing. Some ppl just need to constantly be in a state of "I'm offended" to feel relevant.

i agree.. 
i have met and seen many ppl from the carib with accents who are not black. 

i could see it if this was something negative like those ppl being mean or rude or stupid.. but if anything its a positive imitation. 


Posted By: modelbusiness82
Date Posted: Feb 05 2013 at 3:13pm
Originally posted by Bunnyahh Bunnyahh wrote:

Originally posted by modelbusiness82 modelbusiness82 wrote:

Black ppl aren't the only ones who can have Jamaican accents. I've met plenty of Indian, Asian, Hispanic & White ppl in Jamaica with ridiculously strong accents.

This is just much ado about nothing. Some ppl just need to constantly be in a state of "I'm offended" to feel relevant.
like u were when that drunken trash got asked about an STD?
ok, gotcha


Link? Not sure what you're referencing. I don't keep notes on TTT threads lol sorry.


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Posted By: modelbusiness82
Date Posted: Feb 05 2013 at 3:14pm
Anyway,

I was going to say, the JA Tourism Board released a statement last week saying they didn't take issue with the VW commercial.

A HUGE DIFFERENCE from how they responded to Drake's "Find Your Love" vid which glorified JA gangs, etc and was loudly denounced by the JA Tourism Board.


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Posted By: ms_wonderland
Date Posted: Feb 05 2013 at 3:14pm
Originally posted by Bunnyahh Bunnyahh wrote:

Originally posted by ms_wonderland ms_wonderland wrote:

Originally posted by carolina cutie carolina cutie wrote:

I just don't trust 'em.

I find it funny they had no Black folk in the commercial. Hmmm.

I just don't trust 'em lol




Lol No blk folk? Hmmm may need to rewatch.
what bothered me was when JW came in here saying "its not offensive, there are white ppl in jamaica"  That is NOT the point & in the commercial the guy says he's from minnesota.Ermm

welp, Jason is Jamaican.


Posted By: ms_wonderland
Date Posted: Feb 05 2013 at 3:15pm
Originally posted by Bunnyahh Bunnyahh wrote:

Originally posted by modelbusiness82 modelbusiness82 wrote:

Black ppl aren't the only ones who can have Jamaican accents. I've met plenty of Indian, Asian, Hispanic & White ppl in Jamaica with ridiculously strong accents.

This is just much ado about nothing. Some ppl just need to constantly be in a state of "I'm offended" to feel relevant.
like u were when that drunken trash got asked about an STD?
ok, gotcha

LMFAO, omg.

still team drunken trash tho.


Posted By: Bunnyahh
Date Posted: Feb 05 2013 at 3:17pm
yup, so is WF.
 
whether ppl are offended or not, I just want them to see BOTH SIDES & understand why we may or may not feel that way


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Posted By: ms_wonderland
Date Posted: Feb 05 2013 at 3:19pm
Originally posted by SamoneLenior SamoneLenior wrote:


who is "drunken trash"?

the inebriated African American woman who was celebrating mardi gras/superbowl in New Orleans who was verbally assaulted by the hispanicracka reporter. 


Posted By: Eden.
Date Posted: Feb 05 2013 at 3:19pm
i didn't like it.


Posted By: modelbusiness82
Date Posted: Feb 05 2013 at 3:19pm
Originally posted by SamoneLenior SamoneLenior wrote:


who is "drunken trash"?


Seriously this is what I was wondering lol. Bunny attempted to throw the stone, but didn't really provide a reference for it. So, I'm left Confused.

I really don't take TTT with me when I get off BHM, so I'mma need a link or something.


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Posted By: modelbusiness82
Date Posted: Feb 05 2013 at 3:20pm
Originally posted by ms_wonderland ms_wonderland wrote:

Originally posted by SamoneLenior SamoneLenior wrote:


who is "drunken trash"?

the inebriated African American woman who was celebrating mardi gras/superbowl in New Orleans who was verbally assaulted by the hispanicracka reporter. 


Ahhh I think Bunny has me confused...I don't believe I've written anything in a thread re: that topic.


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Posted By: Bunnyahh
Date Posted: Feb 05 2013 at 3:25pm
Originally posted by modelbusiness82 modelbusiness82 wrote:

Originally posted by ms_wonderland ms_wonderland wrote:

Originally posted by SamoneLenior SamoneLenior wrote:


who is "drunken trash"?

the inebriated African American woman who was celebrating mardi gras/superbowl in New Orleans who was verbally assaulted by the hispanicracka reporter. 


Ahhh I think Bunny has me confused...I don't believe I've written anything in a thread re: that topic.
true you didnt reply in that thread, but many did & if mocking ones ppl is funny, then mocking ones sexual health should be too.  That is my point of the bhm picks &  chooses what to be offended by.  Not YOU per se, but whats good for the goose......

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Posted By: Bunnyahh
Date Posted: Feb 05 2013 at 3:26pm
Originally posted by Eden. Eden. wrote:

i didn't like it.
Denzel voice*  My man*

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Posted By: modelbusiness82
Date Posted: Feb 05 2013 at 3:31pm
^^ahh I see.

No mocking someone's health status isn't funny - ever. IMO, this commercial doesn't compare to a vaudville minstrel show with ppl in black face or Abercrombie's Asian bashing screen print tees.

Jamaicans weren't presented as something laughable/ridiculous/ignorant/etc. It was positive and IMO was no different really than a tourism commercial that shows happy white ppl visiting Jamaica and "laughing & frollicking (sp)" with Jamaicans on the resorts/beaches/etc.

Now we all know in real life, once those vacationers come back to the US, they're NOT laughing & frollicking with the local WI populations in their cities/towns. Ermm

ETA:

One could make the claim that the official tourism commercials exploit the Jamaican population to be this smiling/shuck & jive set of ppl meant only to put smiles on the faces of white people who visit and contribute money to their economy. I doubt most ppl would make that claim. So that's why I don't really see this ad as offensive.


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Posted By: carolina cutie
Date Posted: Feb 05 2013 at 3:39pm
Originally posted by Bunnyahh Bunnyahh wrote:

Originally posted by Eden. Eden. wrote:

i didn't like it.
Denzel voice*  My man*
LOL

Wonderland, no brown folk in that commercial. I think I saw the back of a woman's head but that's it.


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Posted By: ms_wonderland
Date Posted: Feb 05 2013 at 3:41pm
@cc....just watched..i only saw a lady that looks like your avi in the elvator. Cry


Posted By: Wildfire
Date Posted: Feb 05 2013 at 3:53pm
Originally posted by modelbusiness82 modelbusiness82 wrote:



Jamaicans weren't presented as something laughable/ridiculous/ignorant/etc. It was positive and IMO was no different really than a tourism commercial that shows happy white ppl visiting Jamaica and "laughing & frollicking (sp)" with Jamaicans on the resorts/beaches/etc.



ETA:

One could make the claim that the official tourism commercials exploit the Jamaican population to be this smiling/shuck & jive set of ppl meant only to put smiles on the faces of white people who visit and contribute money to their economy. I doubt most ppl would make that claim. So that's why I don't really see this ad as offensive.


precisely. mountains out of molehills.


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Posted By: Wildfire
Date Posted: Feb 05 2013 at 3:55pm
Originally posted by modelbusiness82 modelbusiness82 wrote:

Black ppl aren't the only ones who can have Jamaican accents. I've met plenty of Indian, Asian, Hispanic & White ppl in Jamaica with ridiculously strong accents.

This is just much ado about nothing. Some ppl just need to constantly be in a state of "I'm offended" to feel relevant.


IA...next thing you know the whites will eb up and offended that the ad made them look ridiculous...



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Posted By: Wildfire
Date Posted: Feb 05 2013 at 3:57pm
Originally posted by ms_wonderland ms_wonderland wrote:

Originally posted by carolina cutie carolina cutie wrote:

I just don't trust 'em.

I find it funny they had no Black folk in the commercial. Hmmm.

I just don't trust 'em lol




Lol No blk folk? Hmmm may need to rewatch.


you know what, now that i think about it some more....the ad is essentially saying whitey needs to put a smile on his face

gah, now im thinking too muLOLch


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Posted By: carolina cutie
Date Posted: Feb 05 2013 at 3:59pm
Originally posted by ms_wonderland ms_wonderland wrote:

@cc....just watched..i only saw a lady that looks like your avi in the elvator. Cry
That was her! They didn't even show her face.LOL


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Posted By: Wildfire
Date Posted: Feb 05 2013 at 4:00pm
dead @ somebody lookin like cc's avi, lol

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Posted By: Eden.
Date Posted: Feb 23 2013 at 11:10am
http://jamaica-gleaner.com/latest/article.php?id=43048" rel="nofollow - http://jamaica-gleaner.com/latest/article.php?id=43048

Opposition fumes over burning of Jamaican flag in German commercial

i'm too lazy to copy and paste.

tldr: white people being white people


Posted By: Alias_Avi
Date Posted: Feb 23 2013 at 11:32am
Welp...

Originally posted by Eden. Eden. wrote:

http://jamaica-gleaner.com/latest/article.php?id=43048" rel="nofollow - http://jamaica-gleaner.com/latest/article.php?id=43048

Opposition fumes over burning of Jamaican flag in German commercial

Published: Friday February 22, 2013 | 5:18 pm http://jamaica-gleaner.com/latest/article.php?id=43048#disqus_thread" rel="nofollow - 71 Comments
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Grange said while advertisement which has heavy Jamaican influences may not have been done with malicious intent, it is unacceptable to have images of Jamaica’s national flag or any other flag being desecrated.

At the same time, she has called for the Government to continue the work of an Inter-Ministerial Committee of the previous Jamaica Labour Administration for the management, regulation, use, display and performance of Jamaica’s national emblems and symbols.


Posted By: Eden.
Date Posted: Feb 23 2013 at 11:37am
thank you alias.

man if a Brotha was eloquent enough,i'd write a whole library on the passive aggression of crackas.


Posted By: Alias_Avi
Date Posted: Feb 23 2013 at 11:43am
Eden, you should dedicate your time to writing about the passiveness of Blacks instead


Posted By: Eden.
Date Posted: Feb 23 2013 at 11:56am


Posted By: JoliePoufiasse
Date Posted: Feb 23 2013 at 12:04pm
Originally posted by Bunnyahh Bunnyahh wrote:

funny how nobody saw it from this side.  But I'm not surprised.  bhm picks & chooses what to offend & defend.
Sleepy
 
LOL, so very ironic


Posted By: Diane (35)
Date Posted: Feb 23 2013 at 3:28pm
Dude (the white actor) and his BIL were in jamaica recently The Jamaica Tourist Board gave him an award AND he will appear in a JTB promotional videos in the near future. Jamaicans (most) really dont mind the ad, we're like cool we on TV but there were some persons who were upset.
http://jamaica-gleaner.com/gleaner/20130131/ent/ent2.html" rel="nofollow - http://jamaica-gleaner.com/gleaner/20130131/ent/ent2.html
 
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Posted By: Guidette
Date Posted: Feb 23 2013 at 3:52pm
Originally posted by JasonWllms55 JasonWllms55 wrote:

why would someone take offense to this? there are "white jamaicans"

i didnt see any weed, dreadlocks, or any other stereotypical "jamaican" stuff. 





Posted By: juicygyrl
Date Posted: Feb 24 2013 at 12:06am
i wanted a vw until i found out hitler designed the first model.... and the body style has not changed much.


Posted By: TokyoRose
Date Posted: Feb 24 2013 at 12:56am
I thought this commercial was cute.



Posted By: Eden.
Date Posted: Feb 24 2013 at 5:32pm
yall thought the flag stomping commercial is cute da hell?


Posted By: ms_wonderland
Date Posted: Feb 24 2013 at 5:40pm
Originally posted by juicygyrl juicygyrl wrote:

i wanted a vw until i found out hitler designed the first model.... and the body style has not changed much.

really??  i drive a vw but not a bug. which model did he design? ConfusedConfused


Posted By: CuteNSweet
Date Posted: Feb 24 2013 at 9:14pm
Not Jamaican but of Caribbean decent.... was fine to me.... 


Posted By: TokyoRose
Date Posted: Feb 24 2013 at 9:20pm
Originally posted by Eden. Eden. wrote:

yall thought the flag stomping commercial is cute da hell?


Who was stomping on flags in the OP?


Posted By: laceyfront
Date Posted: Feb 24 2013 at 10:16pm
Originally posted by Guidette Guidette wrote:

Originally posted by JasonWllms55 JasonWllms55 wrote:

why would someone take offense to this? there are "white jamaicans"

i didnt see any weed, dreadlocks, or any other stereotypical "jamaican" stuff. 





Posted By: MizzAmirah
Date Posted: Feb 24 2013 at 11:45pm
Originally posted by Sang Froid Sang Froid wrote:

I see no issue.
I'm sooo sick of fake offended people.


THIS.
Some folks just ain't got nothing better to do than to be offended.
Who's "debating" this again? Ain't nobody got time for that.Sleepy


Posted By: ms_wonderland
Date Posted: Feb 25 2013 at 1:33am
Originally posted by juicygyrl juicygyrl wrote:

i wanted a vw until i found out hitler designed the first model.... and the body style has not changed much.

ok, finally did some research.  i have a passat but it still feels icky...there are so many things we use today with not so pure origins that it's hard to keep up.  all i can promise is that my next car will not be German, for many other reasons.  Even with those origins, it did do a service for the people. Confused


Well, not exactly invent, but Adolf Hitler was indeed the driving force behind the car. In the 1930s, cars cost more than most people earned in a year. When Hitler became the chancellor of Germany in 1933, he promoted the idea of a car affordable enough for the average working person. The Volkswagen, which means " http://people.westminstercollege.edu/staff/bknorr/html/history.htm" rel="nofollow - people's car " in German, was essentially a  http://www.oldandsold.com/articles01/article711.shtml" rel="nofollow - political promise  to win the public's goodwill.

Hitler met with automotive designer Ferdinand Porsche in 1933 and charged Porsche with creating the new car. The chancellor  http://www.pre67vw.co.uk/history/" rel="nofollow - required that the Volkswagen carry two adults and three children, go up to 60 miles per hour, get at least 33 miles per gallon, and cost only 1,000 reichsmarks. Hitler may also have named the car  http://www.vsvwa.freeservers.com/bughist2.html" rel="nofollow - the Beetle .

In 1938, Hitler had the KdF Wagen factory built to produce the cars designed by Porsche. But by the time the factory was complete, Hitler had invaded Czechoslovakia and Poland. The factory was dedicated to building military vehicles, and the people's car fell by the wayside during World War II.

After the war, the factory ended up in the British section of occupied Germany. The British military re-opened the factory, named it Volkswagen, and finally gave control of the company to the German government.

After 1948, Volkswagen introduced new models across Europe. By 1955, over 1 million cars had been built. The VW beetle started selling in the U.S., and in 1972 the people's car overtook the Ford Model T to become the most popular car ever made.



Posted By: Eden.
Date Posted: Feb 25 2013 at 7:27am
Originally posted by Alias_Avi Alias_Avi wrote:


Welp...

Originally posted by Eden. Eden. wrote:

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In a release this afternoon Olivia Grange, the Opposition
spokesperson on culture, urged the Jamaican Government to immediately
write to the German Embassy in Jamaica bring its attention to the
situation.







Grange said while advertisement which has heavy Jamaican influences
may not have been done with malicious intent, it is unacceptable to have
images of Jamaica’s national flag or any other flag being desecrated.



At the same time, she has called for the Government to continue the
work of an Inter-Ministerial Committee of the previous Jamaica Labour
Administration for the management, regulation, use, display and
performance of Jamaica’s national emblems and symbols.




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