Print Page | Close Window

any Africans who celebrate Kwanzaa?

Printed From: Black Hair Media Forum
Category: Lets Talk
Forum Name: Talk, Talk, and More Talk
Forum Description: In this Forum, the talk is about everything that can be talked about.
URL: http://Forum.BlackHairMedia.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=351792
Printed Date: Oct 23 2018 at 11:53pm


Topic: any Africans who celebrate Kwanzaa?
Posted By: naturesgift
Subject: any Africans who celebrate Kwanzaa?
Date Posted: Dec 06 2012 at 7:05pm

Afro-centric vs being African or African American and Euro-centric.....

is there a problem?Confused



Replies:
Posted By: Alias_Avi
Date Posted: Dec 06 2012 at 7:07pm
huh?


Posted By: *Belle*Femme*
Date Posted: Dec 06 2012 at 7:07pm
Well I never celebrated it.

-------------
My mind explodes


Posted By: jonesable
Date Posted: Dec 06 2012 at 7:08pm
Huh ?

-------------
Never send to know for whom the bells tolls; it tolls for thee
Donne

Havmercy Dez Bryant


Posted By: AffirmativeBunny
Date Posted: Dec 06 2012 at 7:10pm
Isn't Kwanzaa a made up American day to celebrate (or recognise) "African culture"?
I put that in quotation marks coz the whole of Africa doesn't have one culture.
I didn't quite understand the OP though.


Posted By: Sang Froid
Date Posted: Dec 06 2012 at 7:12pm
Kwanzaa was made up by some random nigguh in the 60s.
It's a celebration of family.
But I'mma need the OP to celebrate English and help me understand what she's saying.


-------------


Posted By: AffirmativeBunny
Date Posted: Dec 06 2012 at 7:12pm
oh and no, I don't celebrate it.... Nor do I know of any other Africans that do.


Posted By: nitabug
Date Posted: Dec 06 2012 at 7:12pm
Originally posted by naturesgift naturesgift wrote:

Afro-centric vs being African or African American and Euro-centric.....

is there a problem?Confused

Yes and it has nothing to do with the topic, and everything to do with your wording.

+1 on huh?


-------------
God forgive me for my brash delivery
But I remember vividly what these streets did to me


Posted By: nitabug
Date Posted: Dec 06 2012 at 7:14pm
Originally posted by Sang Froid Sang Froid wrote:

Kwanzaa was made up by some random nigguh in the 60s.
It's a celebration of family.
But I'mma need the OP to celebrate English and help me understand what she's saying.


It just seems like hanukkah knock-off. I know people who celebrate it though. They are AA.


-------------
God forgive me for my brash delivery
But I remember vividly what these streets did to me


Posted By: babyk94
Date Posted: Dec 06 2012 at 7:15pm
My aunt and uncle celebrate it


Posted By: AffirmativeBunny
Date Posted: Dec 06 2012 at 7:15pm
Originally posted by Sang Froid Sang Froid wrote:

Kwanzaa was made up by some random nigguh in the 60s.
It's a celebration of family.
But I'mma need the OP to celebrate English and help me understand what she's saying.


Posted By: 313chick
Date Posted: Dec 06 2012 at 7:19pm
no

-------------


Posted By: Addicted19034
Date Posted: Dec 06 2012 at 7:23pm


Posted By: iNFATUATE
Date Posted: Dec 06 2012 at 7:23pm
The idea of Kwanzaa tickles me.


Posted By: Az~Maverick
Date Posted: Dec 06 2012 at 7:36pm
Originally posted by LovesHim LovesHim wrote:

No.

All holidays are made up doh..


Yep. And/Or stolen from other belief systems.


Posted By: JamCaygirl
Date Posted: Dec 06 2012 at 7:46pm
I didnt think it had anything to do with Africans

-------------
Out of many, one people.....
Happy 50th JAMAICA!


Posted By: JoliePoufiasse
Date Posted: Dec 06 2012 at 8:04pm
LOL, what da hell kinda question is that, OP? I just clicked to see if more phuccery ensued. I'm disappointed


Posted By: zolloh
Date Posted: Dec 06 2012 at 8:12pm

A few years ago at the company christmas dinner, the conversation turns to kwanzaa and the whole table gets silent and turns to look at me...i give them one of these Stern Smile ...iono what that kwanzaa ish is either, why y'all waiting on me to explain it?! Pinch



Posted By: Alias_Avi
Date Posted: Dec 06 2012 at 8:20pm
zolloh LOL


Posted By: Limalady
Date Posted: Dec 06 2012 at 8:22pm
I've never met a single person of any race, culture, background, ethnicity, or nationality that celebrates Kwanzaa.


Posted By: Lady ICE
Date Posted: Dec 06 2012 at 8:34pm
i dont know anyone who celebrates it

-------------


Posted By: naturesgift
Date Posted: Dec 06 2012 at 10:38pm
I am AA and I celebrate it. I consider myself Afro-centric


Posted By: nala52808
Date Posted: Dec 06 2012 at 10:50pm
I don't know what the heck Kwanzaa is about, but I remember seeing it on a Proud Family holiday episode.


Posted By: EPITOME
Date Posted: Dec 06 2012 at 10:52pm
Originally posted by Sang Froid Sang Froid wrote:

Kwanzaa was made up by some random nigguh in the 60s.
It's a celebration of family.
But I'mma need the OP to celebrate English and help me understand what she's saying.





-------------
I'm from The Wishanicca Woods boo-Dreamz

If you are or have ever been a member of BHM, you are inherently a hoodrat.B


Posted By: naturesgift
Date Posted: Dec 06 2012 at 11:41pm
ObamaKwanz


Posted By: newdiva1
Date Posted: Dec 07 2012 at 12:41am
Originally posted by Sang Froid Sang Froid wrote:

Kwanzaa was made up by some random nigguh in the 60s.
It's a celebration of family.
But I'mma need the OP to celebrate English and help me understand what she's saying.
 
 
 
I laughed so abruptly and hard my lower lumbar vertebrae popped.
CryCryCryCryCryCryCryCryCryCryCry


-------------
Chris and Koochie split! - Mrshairdo

Sometimes when sh*t happens...you say fucc - Cyndi Lauper

let's look death in the face and say "whatever man". -Hurley.


Posted By: afrikan gal
Date Posted: Dec 07 2012 at 12:47am
Originally posted by newdiva1 newdiva1 wrote:

[QUOTE=Sang Froid]Kwanzaa was made up by some random nigguh in the 60s.
It's a celebration of family.
But I'mma need the OP to celebrate English and help me understand what she's saying.
 
 
 
I laughed so abruptly and hard my lower lumbar vertebrae popped.
CryCryCryCryCryCryCryCryCryCryCry
[/QUOTe

never knew


Posted By: carolina cutie
Date Posted: Dec 07 2012 at 12:49am
Kwanzaa cake time! Yum yum y'all!Party




-------------
<--Classy & Educated O.

"You're telling us your beefing with your bf's mother over $1 ice cream like it was blood diamonds." RickyR



Posted By: Immie89
Date Posted: Dec 07 2012 at 2:03am
LOL hold on OP lemme ask the one billion folks in Africa.


Posted By: Immie89
Date Posted: Dec 07 2012 at 2:03am
They said no.


Posted By: Lady ICE
Date Posted: Dec 07 2012 at 2:09am
^^lmfaoLOL

-------------


Posted By: newdiva1
Date Posted: Dec 07 2012 at 3:19am
Originally posted by Immie89 Immie89 wrote:

They said no.
 
 
 
 
*cries quietly*


-------------
Chris and Koochie split! - Mrshairdo

Sometimes when sh*t happens...you say fucc - Cyndi Lauper

let's look death in the face and say "whatever man". -Hurley.


Posted By: Midna
Date Posted: Dec 07 2012 at 3:28am
Kwanzaa, the dude who made it was an evil muthafucka.

-------------


Posted By: Midna
Date Posted: Dec 07 2012 at 3:30am
Originally posted by carolina cutie carolina cutie wrote:

Kwanzaa cake time! Yum yum y'all!Party




That is the most ugly cake ever.


-------------


Posted By: sweet_n_stuff04
Date Posted: Dec 07 2012 at 3:32am
Originally posted by carolina cutie carolina cutie wrote:

Kwanzaa cake time! Yum yum y'all!Party




ACORNS???? I though only squirrels eat that
PUMPKIN SEEDS????

I never heard of a Kwanzaa cake, but that is the ugliest cake I've ever seen. I would be good w/o the nuts, seeds, and the pie filling.


-------------
(√-1) (2^3) (Σ ) (π)...and it was good!

Fact: If you eat something and nobody sees you eat it - it has no calories.


Posted By: **Sk!TtLeS B**
Date Posted: Dec 07 2012 at 3:39am
That's a disrespectful ass cake.

I didnt even know that people put icing on angel food cake. And pie filling? 

Black people aint eatin no acorns. Who was she making that Kwanzaa cake for?Geek


-------------
Im making a political statement every time I make my ass clap - Ru Paul




Posted By: Midna
Date Posted: Dec 07 2012 at 3:43am
Don't you know she is down with THE BROTHERS?




-------------


Posted By: pattigurlatl
Date Posted: Dec 07 2012 at 3:50am
I find this question puzzling.

Why would Africans celebrate an American holiday? Spaniards don't celebrate Christmas.

And given the disconnect between all people of African descent, the notion of this is incredibly comedic.

-------------
Harriet Tubman - I freed a thousands slaves. I would have freed more had they known they were slaves.

Michael Harriot - She wouldn't have freed any if she was worried about her hair.


Posted By: Naturalchick30
Date Posted: Dec 07 2012 at 5:08am
OP please explain why you think Africans would celebrate a holiday created like 50 years ago??LOL


Posted By: LushHair_Fein
Date Posted: Dec 07 2012 at 11:01am
Originally posted by Limalady Limalady wrote:

I've never met a single person of any race, culture, background, ethnicity, or nationality that celebrates Kwanzaa.


-------------
Educate before speculate..............


Posted By: *Belle*Femme*
Date Posted: Dec 07 2012 at 11:07am
Originally posted by **Sk!TtLeS B** **Sk!TtLeS B** wrote:

That's a disrespectful ass cake.

I didnt even know that people put icing on angel food cake. And pie filling? 

Black people aint eatin no acorns. Who was she making that Kwanzaa cake for?Geek
LOLLOL bhm is killing me today. Or everything could be funny because my lack of sleep. 

-------------
My mind explodes


Posted By: goodm3
Date Posted: Dec 07 2012 at 11:13am
I don't know any Africans who celebrate it but im pretty sure they get a good laugh at black americans who do. 



Posted By: Prazol60
Date Posted: Dec 07 2012 at 12:08pm
Originally posted by **Sk!TtLeS B** **Sk!TtLeS B** wrote:

That's a disrespectful ass cake.

I didnt even know that people put icing on angel food cake. And pie filling? 

Black people aint eatin no acorns. Who was she making that Kwanzaa cake for?Geek




We lit one of those candles once and then never did it again


Posted By: Rumbera
Date Posted: Dec 07 2012 at 12:21pm
Originally posted by newdiva1 newdiva1 wrote:

Originally posted by Sang Froid Sang Froid wrote:

Kwanzaa was made up by some random nigguh in the 60s.
It's a celebration of family.
But I'mma need the OP to celebrate English and help me understand what she's saying.
 
 
 
I laughed so abruptly and hard my lower lumbar vertebrae popped.
CryCryCryCryCryCryCryCryCryCryCry
 
me too


Posted By: BeatriceBean
Date Posted: Dec 07 2012 at 12:29pm
I used to celebrate Kwanzaa tough back in the 80s and early 90s. It's a made-up holiday with a great deal of flaws, naturally, but I do think that it serves a purpose within the Black American community.
 
It serves no purpose for Africans though.


-------------
Life is good!


Posted By: EasterBell
Date Posted: Dec 07 2012 at 1:33pm
Never saw anyone celebrating that.. execpt on Reading Rainbow..LOL


Posted By: pattigurlatl
Date Posted: Dec 07 2012 at 1:52pm
I thought it was a good idea. But good ideas don't work on black folk.

-------------
Harriet Tubman - I freed a thousands slaves. I would have freed more had they known they were slaves.

Michael Harriot - She wouldn't have freed any if she was worried about her hair.


Posted By: JGCwayZeBaby
Date Posted: Dec 07 2012 at 1:59pm
This article sums things up nicely. 
http://voices.yahoo.com/reasons-african-american-does-not-celebrate-kwanzaa-10694315.html" rel="nofollow - http://voices.yahoo.com/reasons-african-american-does-not-celebrate-kwanzaa-10694315.html


Posted By: BrownQtee
Date Posted: Dec 07 2012 at 2:06pm

This is a funny ass thread. I'm over here with tears in my eyes. damn.



Posted By: AffirmativeBunny
Date Posted: Dec 07 2012 at 5:58pm
Originally posted by Immie89 Immie89 wrote:

LOL hold on OP lemme ask the one billion folks in Africa.
Originally posted by Immie89 Immie89 wrote:

They said no.
 
 
CryLOL I damn near peed my pants! LOLLOL


Posted By: naturesgift
Date Posted: Dec 07 2012 at 6:28pm

Kwanzza is an African based- cultural celebration for Black people so it would benift anyone who wants to reaffrim or teach thier children "cultural idenity"



Posted By: naturesgift
Date Posted: Dec 07 2012 at 6:44pm
Imo the only reason more Black people don't celebrate Kwanzza is because the white majority dont celebrate it. The article in the link you shared was just one womans view... the author failed to reconize that she is being excluded most of the time


Posted By: yaya24
Date Posted: Dec 07 2012 at 7:22pm
No.
LOL




-------------
iRep ♥ Naija
TexLAXED 1.25.13'
SL starting alllll the way over. Watch me work.
APL 2013
     
<


Posted By: JGCwayZeBaby
Date Posted: Dec 07 2012 at 11:30pm
Originally posted by naturesgift naturesgift wrote:

Imo the only reason more Black people don't celebrate Kwanzza is because the white majority dont celebrate it. The article in the link you shared was just one womans view... the author failed to reconize that she is being excluded most of the time

I shared the article because it summed up my view on the holiday... I don't need a "black" alternative to Christmas... it's a religious holiday, heavily commercialized, but religious nonetheless and has nothing to do with race in my eyes. My education about Black/African history and culture is ongoing, I don't need a few days or a single month set aside to recognize where I come from. 
I could care less if white people started celebrating Kwanzaa by the masses, I still wouldn't. The founder of Kwanzaa wrote a book, The Quotable Karenga, and bashed Jesus/Christianity in it. No thanks. 


Posted By: carolina cutie
Date Posted: Dec 08 2012 at 12:16am
Y'all stop hatin' on Sandra Lee's corn nut pie filling Kwanzaa cake! She put like 2 minutes of effort into thinking up that nasty a** cake.AngryLOLLOL


-------------
<--Classy & Educated O.

"You're telling us your beefing with your bf's mother over $1 ice cream like it was blood diamonds." RickyR



Posted By: pattigurlatl
Date Posted: Dec 08 2012 at 12:22am
Originally posted by JGCwayZeBaby JGCwayZeBaby wrote:

Originally posted by naturesgift naturesgift wrote:

Imo the only reason more Black people don't celebrate Kwanzza is because the white majority dont celebrate it. The article in the link you shared was just one womans view... the author failed to reconize that she is being excluded most of the time

I shared the article because it summed up my view on the holiday... I don't need a "black" alternative to Christmas... it's a religious holiday, heavily commercialized, but religious nonetheless and has nothing to do with race in my eyes. My education about Black/African history and culture is ongoing, I don't need a few days or a single month set aside to recognize where I come from. 
I could care less if white people started celebrating Kwanzaa by the masses, I still wouldn't. The founder of Kwanzaa wrote a book, The Quotable Karenga, and bashed Jesus/Christianity in it. No thanks. 
You do know that Christmas is not in the bible or any other religious or holy piece of literature.

But your thought process makes sense.

It's what kept slaves, slaves.


-------------
Harriet Tubman - I freed a thousands slaves. I would have freed more had they known they were slaves.

Michael Harriot - She wouldn't have freed any if she was worried about her hair.


Posted By: Sang Froid
Date Posted: Dec 08 2012 at 12:24am
Christmas has nothing to do with Jesus.
And it urks me how black folks hold on so tight to massa's religion.


-------------


Posted By: Alias_Avi
Date Posted: Dec 08 2012 at 12:28am
Kwanzaa was created by a nutcase who wanted to create a new religion under the disguise of an unified African holiday

Originally posted by naturesgift naturesgift wrote:

Imo the only reason more Black people don't celebrate Kwanzza is because the white majority dont celebrate it. The article in the link you shared was just one womans view... the author failed to reconize that she is being excluded most of the time


Posted By: Alias_Avi
Date Posted: Dec 08 2012 at 12:31am
It urks me when people equate Christianity with White Supremacy

I guess the Africans that followed Jesus Christ hundreds of years before the slave trade were just tools of the "massas" that hadn't yet existed Wacko

Originally posted by Sang Froid Sang Froid wrote:

Christmas has nothing to do with Jesus.
And it urks me how black folks hold on so tight to massa's religion.


Posted By: nycdiva357
Date Posted: Dec 08 2012 at 12:31am
Originally posted by JGCwayZeBaby JGCwayZeBaby wrote:

Originally posted by naturesgift naturesgift wrote:

Imo the only reason more Black people don't celebrate Kwanzza is because the white majority dont celebrate it. The article in the link you shared was just one womans view... the author failed to reconize that she is being excluded most of the time

I shared the article because it summed up my view on the holiday... I don't need a "black" alternative to Christmas... it's a religious holiday, heavily commercialized, but religious nonetheless and has nothing to do with race in my eyes. My education about Black/African history and culture is ongoing, I don't need a few days or a single month set aside to recognize where I come from. 
I could care less if white people started celebrating Kwanzaa by the masses, I still wouldn't. The founder of Kwanzaa wrote a book, The Quotable Karenga, and bashed Jesus/Christianity in it. No thanks. 


your first sentence is where the problem begins.

Kwanzaa is not supposed to be an alternative for anything.
Many of the ppl that I know that celebrate it-- also celebrate Christmas.
There are not holidays that have to exist mutually exclusive of each other

When you light your candle for NIA--- the christmas police wont knock on your door and set fire to your house.

also the  -- I dont need a few days out a month to teach me about africa sentiment makes me laugh as well. Its like ppl who argue-- we dont need black history month-- i study my black history all 12 months... ermmmmmmmm again-- no one is saying you can only care about your culture for the week of kwanzaa.
I study my history all year long..having a week or a month wont put a damper in my life. No one shuts down my studies March 1st...or once the Imani candle burns out.
There is nothing wrong IMO about putting a little more emphasis on those special occassions. We hardly get any shine in this country to begin with...and to start shutting ppl down with nonsensical reasons is what i think ppl who most hate persons
that look like you and me-- want the most.

If you dont want to celebrate it--- sure.
but this reasoning ---and this is no shade to you specifically---is like a circle of fail to me- that I hear repeated all the time.


-------------
He follows what I'm saying.. I aint gotta twitter shyt.


Posted By: pattigurlatl
Date Posted: Dec 08 2012 at 12:33am
Originally posted by Alias_Avi Alias_Avi wrote:

Kwanzaa was created by a nutcase who wanted to create a new religion under the disguise of an unified African holiday

Originally posted by naturesgift naturesgift wrote:

Imo the only reason more Black people don't celebrate Kwanzza is because the white majority dont celebrate it. The article in the link you shared was just one womans view... the author failed to reconize that she is being excluded most of the time



Wrong!

Does anyone even know what the word "religion" means?

Please tell me what diety this so called religion is asking you to obey?



UM, NONE.

Feel free to criticize, but be accurate. It has never been about religion.


-------------
Harriet Tubman - I freed a thousands slaves. I would have freed more had they known they were slaves.

Michael Harriot - She wouldn't have freed any if she was worried about her hair.


Posted By: Sang Froid
Date Posted: Dec 08 2012 at 12:34am
Originally posted by Alias_Avi Alias_Avi wrote:

It urks me when people equate Christianity with White Supremacy

I guess the Africans that followed Jesus Christ hundreds of years before the slave trade were just tools of the "massas" that hadn't yet existed Wacko

Originally posted by Sang Froid Sang Froid wrote:

Christmas has nothing to do with Jesus.
And it urks me how black folks hold on so tight to massa's religion.

I think all religion is a crock of bullsh*t.
But let us not pretend like religion wasn't a tool used to enslave Africans during slavery. 



-------------


Posted By: pattigurlatl
Date Posted: Dec 08 2012 at 12:34am
Originally posted by nycdiva357 nycdiva357 wrote:

Originally posted by JGCwayZeBaby JGCwayZeBaby wrote:

Originally posted by naturesgift naturesgift wrote:

Imo the only reason more Black people don't celebrate Kwanzza is because the white majority dont celebrate it. The article in the link you shared was just one womans view... the author failed to reconize that she is being excluded most of the time

I shared the article because it summed up my view on the holiday... I don't need a "black" alternative to Christmas... it's a religious holiday, heavily commercialized, but religious nonetheless and has nothing to do with race in my eyes. My education about Black/African history and culture is ongoing, I don't need a few days or a single month set aside to recognize where I come from. 
I could care less if white people started celebrating Kwanzaa by the masses, I still wouldn't. The founder of Kwanzaa wrote a book, The Quotable Karenga, and bashed Jesus/Christianity in it. No thanks. 


your first sentence is where the problem begins.

Kwanzaa is not supposed to be an alternative for anything.
Many of the ppl that I know that celebrate it-- also celebrate Christmas.
There are not holidays that have to exist mutually exclusive of each other

When you light your candle for NIA--- the christmas police wont knock on your door and set fire to your house.

also the  -- I dont need a few days out a month to teach me about africa sentiment makes me laugh as well. Its like ppl who argue-- we dont need black history month-- i study my black history all 12 months... ermmmmmmmm again-- no one is saying you can only care about your culture for the week of kwanzaa.
I study my history all year long..having a week or a month wont put a damper in my life. No one shuts down my studies March 1st...or once the Imani candle burns out.
There is nothing wrong IMO about putting a little more emphasis on those special occassions. We hardly get any shine in this country to begin with...and to start shutting ppl down with nonsensical reasons is what i think ppl who most hate persons
that look like you and me-- want the most.

If you dont want to celebrate it--- sure.
but this reasoning ---and this is no shade to you specifically---is like a circle of fail to me- that I hear repeated all the time.
Always in sync Ms. Diva.


-------------
Harriet Tubman - I freed a thousands slaves. I would have freed more had they known they were slaves.

Michael Harriot - She wouldn't have freed any if she was worried about her hair.


Posted By: pattigurlatl
Date Posted: Dec 08 2012 at 12:36am
Originally posted by Sang Froid Sang Froid wrote:

Originally posted by Alias_Avi Alias_Avi wrote:

It urks me when people equate Christianity with White Supremacy

I guess the Africans that followed Jesus Christ hundreds of years before the slave trade were just tools of the "massas" that hadn't yet existed Wacko

Originally posted by Sang Froid Sang Froid wrote:

Christmas has nothing to do with Jesus.
And it urks me how black folks hold on so tight to massa's religion.

I think all religion is a crock of bullsh*t.
But let us not pretend like religion wasn't a tool used to enslave Africans during slavery. 



The word religion comes from the greek or Latin....I'm not googling it right now since it is too late but I believe "reli" means to "hold or bind". And if you think about the minds of some of these folk, you see that it does exactly that.




-------------
Harriet Tubman - I freed a thousands slaves. I would have freed more had they known they were slaves.

Michael Harriot - She wouldn't have freed any if she was worried about her hair.


Posted By: Alias_Avi
Date Posted: Dec 08 2012 at 12:39am
But Karenga said so in his own book Confused

Don't get crunk with me, take it up with him. I did an in-dept study on his creation of Kwanzaa in one of my Africana Studies courses and I clearly read about his original intentions with the "holiday"

People may not practice it that way... it's usually b/c they're extremely ignorant about it's inception in the first place but that doesn't mean it wasn't intended to be something else


Originally posted by pattigurlatl pattigurlatl wrote:




Wrong!

Does anyone even know what the word "religion" means?

Please tell me what diety this so called religion is asking you to obey?



UM, NONE.

Feel free to criticize, but be accurate. It has never been about religion.


Posted By: nycdiva357
Date Posted: Dec 08 2012 at 12:47am
its just so ass backwards to me patti--

b/c the ppl who are always first to shut down holidays like Kwanzaa are the same ppl who are like
" where the 4th of july bbq at?"
"who making the greens on thanksgiving?"

and dont get me wrong..b/c this negro right hurr
loves Potato salad...and sweet potato pie.

but its like ppl and their google button only work on holidays that are supposed to celebrate black ppl.
lets just  ignore that july 4th 1776--no one that looked liked u was declared free of anything in this country.

or pilgrims weren't truly breaking bread w/ anyone one of my ppl-- or PPl that didn't look exactly like them for that matter (fawk the natives)

I know the true meaning behind those holidays--- and I celebrate them still-- because I give them my own meaning....

why is it so hard for ppl to pull the same tactic w/ kwanzaa.


-------------
He follows what I'm saying.. I aint gotta twitter shyt.


Posted By: Sang Froid
Date Posted: Dec 08 2012 at 12:52am
Black people subconsciously hate themselves.
It has been ingrained in us that nothing we do is ever good or good enough.


-------------


Posted By: pattigurlatl
Date Posted: Dec 08 2012 at 12:53am
Originally posted by nycdiva357 nycdiva357 wrote:

its just so ass backwards to me patti--

b/c the ppl who are always first to shut down holidays like Kwanzaa are the same ppl who are like
" where the 4th of july bbq at?"
"who making the greens on thanksgiving?"

and dont get me wrong..b/c this negro right hurr
loves Potato salad...and sweet potato pie.

but its like ppl and their google button only work on holidays that are supposed to celebrate black ppl.
lets just  ignore that july 4th 1776--no one that looked liked u was declared free of anything in this country.

or pilgrims weren't truly breaking bread w/ anyone one of my ppl-- or PPl that didn't look exactly like them for that matter (fawk the natives)

I know the true meaning behind those holidays--- and I celebrate them still-- because I give them my own meaning....

why is it so hard for ppl to pull the same tactic w/ kwanzaa.
cuz it ain't white. self hatred runs deep in the veins of colored folk. I wish i had the antidote for that poison.


-------------
Harriet Tubman - I freed a thousands slaves. I would have freed more had they known they were slaves.

Michael Harriot - She wouldn't have freed any if she was worried about her hair.


Posted By: jonesable
Date Posted: Dec 08 2012 at 12:58am
Remember learning about it in primary school.
Some of the teachers celebrated it .

It was included in the holiday decorations and festivities at school.

I've personally never celebrated it though but I know about and it's celebrating something I care about and is revelant to me.

-------------
Never send to know for whom the bells tolls; it tolls for thee
Donne

Havmercy Dez Bryant


Posted By: nycdiva357
Date Posted: Dec 08 2012 at 1:05am
i agree sang and patti...

i just dont get ppl and their faulty ass reasoning and or complaining.

In college-- i made someone cry b/c they stood their bold ass African American ass up..in an Honors African american class at a HBCU and said " why'd they give us the shortest month for black history month?"

when i say i tore into that ass-- I swear that girl  probably never uttered those words out her mouth again"




-------------
He follows what I'm saying.. I aint gotta twitter shyt.


Posted By: jonesable
Date Posted: Dec 08 2012 at 1:10am

You're a meanie NYC !!!!

-------------
Never send to know for whom the bells tolls; it tolls for thee
Donne

Havmercy Dez Bryant


Posted By: Sang Froid
Date Posted: Dec 08 2012 at 1:12am
Reminds me of how my roommate freshman yr said she was glad there was slavery.
And would argue with you about how she wasn't African.


-------------


Posted By: afrokock
Date Posted: Dec 08 2012 at 1:15am
i only heard of kwanzaa when i moved to the west



-------------
I just can't stand the negro british midget. He brings out the worst in me.....

...
I sometimes think AfroK is gay and either doesn't know it or won't admit to it..


Posted By: jonesable
Date Posted: Dec 08 2012 at 1:15am
The worst offender I've ran into was this African guy.
Me and him were " talking" and were getting close.
But then we started having deeper convos.

Man he had so much white praise bursting from his heart and talked about the pros of slavery and how I just don't see the silver lining?

It blew my mind .
Had to leave that 'lone.

-------------
Never send to know for whom the bells tolls; it tolls for thee
Donne

Havmercy Dez Bryant


Posted By: afrokock
Date Posted: Dec 08 2012 at 1:16am
Originally posted by afrokock afrokock wrote:

i only heard of kwanzaa when i moved to the west

actually i think the first time i heard it was on one of those black sitcoms with the afrocentric brother

cant remember which one

back in 93 or some sh*t

-------------
I just can't stand the negro british midget. He brings out the worst in me.....

...
I sometimes think AfroK is gay and either doesn't know it or won't admit to it..


Posted By: afrokock
Date Posted: Dec 08 2012 at 1:18am
Originally posted by jonesable jonesable wrote:

The worst offender I've ran into was this African guy.
Me and him were " talking" and were getting close.
But then we started having deeper convos.

Man he had so much white praise bursting from his heart and talked about the pros of slavery and how I just don't see the silver lining?

It blew my mind .
Had to leave that 'lone.


but i was on this african board the other day discussing the ramifications of colonisation etc etc .. and i wanted to punch my computer and snatch a few collars

-------------
I just can't stand the negro british midget. He brings out the worst in me.....

...
I sometimes think AfroK is gay and either doesn't know it or won't admit to it..


Posted By: nycdiva357
Date Posted: Dec 08 2012 at 1:18am
Originally posted by jonesable jonesable wrote:

Huh she just didn't know.
Why'd you make her cry?

I get why you believe she should know and I think we all should know more of our history.
But to tear in to her?

You're a meanie!!!


lol it was a result....not intentional...but I dont deal w/ simple ppl well..lol

i was like wait...
you mean to tell me you are 19 yrs old.

and not once in the 19 years of BHM that you've been around for---

did you take those 28-29 days to research how this month was formed.
and how it went from a wk to a month.
do you know who dr. carter g. woodson is?
do you know what race he is?
you mean to tell me you never read the miseducation of the negro?
wait what?
thats not sad. thats not sad at all.
oh ok enjoy hampton.


that ass was sensitive.
lol



-------------
He follows what I'm saying.. I aint gotta twitter shyt.


Posted By: jonesable
Date Posted: Dec 08 2012 at 1:28am
Aren't these things taught in elementary school?
I wonder how ppl miss things like this

Or learn it on your own if you don't know

-------------
Never send to know for whom the bells tolls; it tolls for thee
Donne

Havmercy Dez Bryant


Posted By: **Sk!TtLeS B**
Date Posted: Dec 08 2012 at 1:53am
I just remembered, my best friend's family celebrates Kwanzaa. They also celebrate Christmas and, since her step-dad is Jewish, Hanukkah. The holiday season is the sh*t at that their house.Clap

-------------
Im making a political statement every time I make my ass clap - Ru Paul




Posted By: Naturalchick30
Date Posted: Dec 08 2012 at 4:27am
Originally posted by pattigurlatl pattigurlatl wrote:


Originally posted by JGCwayZeBaby JGCwayZeBaby wrote:


Originally posted by naturesgift naturesgift wrote:

Imo the only reason more Black people don't celebrate Kwanzza is because the white majority dont celebrate it. The article in the link you shared was just one womans view... the author failed to reconize that she is being excluded bmost of the time


I shared the article because it summed up my view on the holiday... I don't need a "black" alternative to Christmas... it's a religious holiday, heavily commercialized, but religious nonetheless and has nothing to do with race in my eyes. My education about Black/African history and culture is ongoing, I don't need a few days or a single month set aside to recognize where I come from. 
I could care less if white people started celebrating Kwanzaa by the masses, I still wouldn't. The founder of Kwanzaa wrote a book, The Quotable Karenga, and bashed Jesus/Christianity in it. No thanks. 
You do know that Christmas is not in the bible or any other religious or holy piece of literature.

But your thought process makes sense.

It's what kept slaves, slaves.


This


Posted By: afrokock
Date Posted: Dec 08 2012 at 4:56am
Originally posted by Alias_Avi Alias_Avi wrote:


It urks me when people equate Christianity with White Supremacy

I guess the Africans that followed Jesus Christ hundreds of years before the slave trade were just tools of the "massas" that hadn't yet existed Wacko

Originally posted by Sang Froid Sang Froid wrote:

Christmas has nothing to do with Jesus.
And it urks me how black folks hold on so tight to massa's religion.

Brotha what?

-------------
I just can't stand the negro british midget. He brings out the worst in me.....

...
I sometimes think AfroK is gay and either doesn't know it or won't admit to it..


Posted By: Sang Froid
Date Posted: Dec 08 2012 at 5:06am
She doesn't know.



-------------


Posted By: nitabug
Date Posted: Dec 08 2012 at 5:08am
I don't like Kwanzaa because it's too contrived, and you have to make everything.

-------------
God forgive me for my brash delivery
But I remember vividly what these streets did to me


Posted By: newdiva1
Date Posted: Dec 08 2012 at 8:33am
I learned about it...in general in elementary school.  came home and tole my gramma.  she basically said that sh*t is witchcraft and she ain't bringin' the devil into her house.  *smh chuckling in remembrance*  i felt some type of way at the time tho.

-------------
Chris and Koochie split! - Mrshairdo

Sometimes when sh*t happens...you say fucc - Cyndi Lauper

let's look death in the face and say "whatever man". -Hurley.


Posted By: JGCwayZeBaby
Date Posted: Dec 08 2012 at 11:37am
Originally posted by nycdiva357 nycdiva357 wrote:

Originally posted by JGCwayZeBaby JGCwayZeBaby wrote:

Originally posted by naturesgift naturesgift wrote:

Imo the only reason more Black people don't celebrate Kwanzza is because the white majority dont celebrate it. The article in the link you shared was just one womans view... the author failed to reconize that she is being excluded most of the time

I shared the article because it summed up my view on the holiday... I don't need a "black" alternative to Christmas... it's a religious holiday, heavily commercialized, but religious nonetheless and has nothing to do with race in my eyes. My education about Black/African history and culture is ongoing, I don't need a few days or a single month set aside to recognize where I come from. 
I could care less if white people started celebrating Kwanzaa by the masses, I still wouldn't. The founder of Kwanzaa wrote a book, The Quotable Karenga, and bashed Jesus/Christianity in it. No thanks. 


your first sentence is where the problem begins.

Kwanzaa is not supposed to be an alternative for anything. 
Many of the ppl that I know that celebrate it-- also celebrate Christmas.
There are not holidays that have to exist mutually exclusive of each other

When you light your candle for NIA--- the christmas police wont knock on your door and set fire to your house.

also the  -- I dont need a few days out a month to teach me about africa sentiment makes me laugh as well. Its like ppl who argue-- we dont need black history month-- i study my black history all 12 months... ermmmmmmmm again-- no one is saying you can only care about your culture for the week of kwanzaa.
I study my history all year long..having a week or a month wont put a damper in my life. No one shuts down my studies March 1st...or once the Imani candle burns out.
There is nothing wrong IMO about putting a little more emphasis on those special occassions. We hardly get any shine in this country to begin with...and to start shutting ppl down with nonsensical reasons is what i think ppl who most hate persons
that look like you and me-- want the most.

If you dont want to celebrate it--- sure.
but this reasoning ---and this is no shade to you specifically---is like a circle of fail to me- that I hear repeated all the time.

If you want to gloss over what Kwanzaa's very own founder himself created the holiday for then that's fine by me, it actually seems pleasant when you ignore the real roots. Ignorance is bliss, right? 
Black history month is important, I never said it put a damper on any aspect of my life. I just wish that we'd be recognized that way all throughout the year on a more regular basis.
I don't disagree with you in thinking that we can use all the positive recognition that we can get, but I didn't agree with the original fundamentals that Kwanzaa was founded on and that turned me off from the holiday completely. 
Christmas is a religious holiday in my eyes. I don't follow the bible to the letter, sue me.
I was raised in a Christian home where Christmas is celebrated and I enjoy it. If it's not a valid enough holiday for you then that's fine by me, we all have the right to believe what we choose. 


Posted By: afrokock
Date Posted: Dec 08 2012 at 11:41am
sweetheart, you are been hypocritical

-------------
I just can't stand the negro british midget. He brings out the worst in me.....

...
I sometimes think AfroK is gay and either doesn't know it or won't admit to it..


Posted By: RedFoxx
Date Posted: Dec 08 2012 at 12:13pm
Kwanzaa is so late 80s early 90s...


-------------
sometimes we be gettin showed what we aint wan see...sometimes we be gettin taught what we aint wan learn

--on some real ni$$a ish doe--


Posted By: JGCwayZeBaby
Date Posted: Dec 08 2012 at 1:32pm
I probably could have crafted a better argument but this is BHM.... I only post out of boredom LOL


Posted By: **Sk!TtLeS B**
Date Posted: Dec 08 2012 at 1:39pm
Originally posted by newdiva1 newdiva1 wrote:

I learned about it...in general in elementary school.  came home and tole my gramma.  she basically said that sh*t is witchcraft and she ain't bringin' the devil into her house.  *smh chuckling in remembrance*  i felt some type of way at the time tho.

LOL
I love black grannies. They're always hilarious.


-------------
Im making a political statement every time I make my ass clap - Ru Paul




Posted By: nycdiva357
Date Posted: Dec 08 2012 at 1:39pm
what afro said.

I didn't say you had to agree w/ it.

I said your reasoning was faulty.

and I do celebrate christmas...nowhere did i say it wasn't a valid holiday.






-------------
He follows what I'm saying.. I aint gotta twitter shyt.


Posted By: **Sk!TtLeS B**
Date Posted: Dec 08 2012 at 1:47pm
NYCDiva in here like



No shade JC, I just really wanted to use the gifLOLCry


-------------
Im making a political statement every time I make my ass clap - Ru Paul




Posted By: Lady ICE
Date Posted: Dec 08 2012 at 4:29pm
Originally posted by JGCwayZeBaby JGCwayZeBaby wrote:

Originally posted by nycdiva357 nycdiva357 wrote:

Originally posted by JGCwayZeBaby JGCwayZeBaby wrote:

Originally posted by naturesgift naturesgift wrote:

Imo the only reason more Black people don't celebrate Kwanzza is because the white majority dont celebrate it. The article in the link you shared was just one womans view... the author failed to reconize that she is being excluded most of the time

I shared the article because it summed up my view on the holiday... I don't need a "black" alternative to Christmas... it's a religious holiday, heavily commercialized, but religious nonetheless and has nothing to do with race in my eyes. My education about Black/African history and culture is ongoing, I don't need a few days or a single month set aside to recognize where I come from. 
I could care less if white people started celebrating Kwanzaa by the masses, I still wouldn't. The founder of Kwanzaa wrote a book, The Quotable Karenga, and bashed Jesus/Christianity in it. No thanks. 


your first sentence is where the problem begins.

Kwanzaa is not supposed to be an alternative for anything. 
Many of the ppl that I know that celebrate it-- also celebrate Christmas.
There are not holidays that have to exist mutually exclusive of each other

When you light your candle for NIA--- the christmas police wont knock on your door and set fire to your house.

also the  -- I dont need a few days out a month to teach me about africa sentiment makes me laugh as well. Its like ppl who argue-- we dont need black history month-- i study my black history all 12 months... ermmmmmmmm again-- no one is saying you can only care about your culture for the week of kwanzaa.
I study my history all year long..having a week or a month wont put a damper in my life. No one shuts down my studies March 1st...or once the Imani candle burns out.
There is nothing wrong IMO about putting a little more emphasis on those special occassions. We hardly get any shine in this country to begin with...and to start shutting ppl down with nonsensical reasons is what i think ppl who most hate persons
that look like you and me-- want the most.

If you dont want to celebrate it--- sure.
but this reasoning ---and this is no shade to you specifically---is like a circle of fail to me- that I hear repeated all the time.

If you want to gloss over what Kwanzaa's very own founder himself created the holiday for then that's fine by me, it actually seems pleasant when you ignore the real roots. Ignorance is bliss, right? 
Black history month is important, I never said it put a damper on any aspect of my life. I just wish that we'd be recognized that way all throughout the year on a more regular basis.
I don't disagree with you in thinking that we can use all the positive recognition that we can get, but I didn't agree with the original fundamentals that Kwanzaa was founded on and that turned me off from the holiday completely. 
Christmas is a religious holiday in my eyes. I don't follow the bible to the letter, sue me.
I was raised in a Christian home where Christmas is celebrated and I enjoy it. If it's not a valid enough holiday for you then that's fine by me, we all have the right to believe what we choose. 
so was i but i grew up and learned...for myself. cant keep followin behind everyone forever.


-------------



Print Page | Close Window