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Topic: Theory about Rape in the Military
Posted By: starflower7
Subject: Theory about Rape in the Military
Date Posted: Nov 05 2012 at 11:38pm

I'll keep this short. I was watching this

http://www.movie2k.to/The-Invisible-War-watch-movie-2019443.html" rel="nofollow - http://www.movie2k.to/The-Invisible-War-watch-movie-2019443.html

which is a documentary about rape in the military and how rare it is for these crimes against women to be taken seriously. I got the idea that the whole reason women were ever allowed in the military was to entertain the men. I say this because when it comes to physical work, women are much less efficient and more vulnerable; they don't even allow the women in combat; they create environments which enable the men to prey on the women; and they often blame the woman for complaining about it or sweep it under the rug. 

This is something they had to have known would happen. It's a simple as 1-2-3. Men/people will behave in predictable ways in certain situations. These are men are stressed out, isolated from society, away from their families, and sometimes risking life and limb and they throw a few women into the mix. What did they expect would happen? They come in from a hard day of work, no family to greet them, they already feel like women are not doing their share of the work, and they most likely feel entitled. 

I have never been in the military nor do I have any family members who have so I may be way off here. What is your opinion on this?


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Posted By: jonesable
Date Posted: Nov 05 2012 at 11:39pm
I was talking about this with a friend in the military.

After graduation I plan to enlist so I wanted to know more about it

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Posted By: starflower7
Date Posted: Nov 05 2012 at 11:42pm
Originally posted by jonesable jonesable wrote:

I was talking about this with a friend in the military.

After graduation I plan to enlist so I wanted to know more about it

What were y'all talking about specifically? Do you think it's a conspiracy? Or did you just want more information on how bad the situation actually is?


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Posted By: SoutherNtellect
Date Posted: Nov 05 2012 at 11:42pm
women were allowed in because white women cried about equality
are you saying that men are inherently animalistic creatures bound to rape under stressful/non-ideal circumstances

my theory is that they know they're going to get away with it/be excused because "boys will be boys" 


Posted By: tbaby123
Date Posted: Nov 05 2012 at 11:45pm
i didn't click the link.. but what i find amazing is that if you are raped in the military and you got pregnant you can't even have an abortion and unless its under dire circumstances only (someone please correct me if i'm wrong)... it seems that if you are goin gto be putting your life at risk to save those at home the least you could have is at least the same health services as the ones you are protecting


Posted By: starflower7
Date Posted: Nov 05 2012 at 11:45pm
Originally posted by SoutherNtellect SoutherNtellect wrote:

are you saying that men are inherently animalistic creatures bound to rape under stressful/non-ideal circumstances

Honestly yes. Not all or most of them necessarily but different underlying traits will be exposed in the absence of law and order. That's with most people. I only mentioned men specifically because this is about rape. I would say the same about people who will steal if they feel they won't get caught. This is the reason for audits, etc. Nothing personal against men.


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Posted By: OrriannaRose
Date Posted: Nov 05 2012 at 11:46pm
Originally posted by SoutherNtellect SoutherNtellect wrote:

women were allowed in because white women cried about equality
are you saying that men are inherently animalistic creatures bound to rape under stressful/non-ideal circumstances

my theory is that they know they're going to get away with it/be excused because "boys will be boys" 

I agree.


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Posted By: SoutherNtellect
Date Posted: Nov 05 2012 at 11:52pm
interesting nite on bhm, but i gotta get drunk and pass out
someone summarize in 10 pages


Posted By: Lite Brite
Date Posted: Nov 05 2012 at 11:56pm
I remember seeing some special on 20/20 years ago about one of those big name military academies where women were getting raped, and the women were being talked about like they were wild horses, and raping them was like breaking them and training them.

I think they had just one or a couple of women b/c prior to that they didn't allow females.


Posted By: EPITOME
Date Posted: Nov 05 2012 at 11:56pm
i will say that idk why women join the military, idk why black women join the military, idk why anyone with education joins the military.

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Posted By: starflower7
Date Posted: Nov 05 2012 at 11:57pm
Originally posted by EPITOME EPITOME wrote:

i will say that idk why women join the military, idk why black women join the military, idk why anyone with education joins the military.

Well damn.


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Posted By: EPITOME
Date Posted: Nov 05 2012 at 11:59pm
actually i know people who join it for the loan repayment options...idk..i always wonder about women who WANT to be in those situations like the woman who sued to enter a military school in VA...like why? why would you want to be the only woman in a military institution?you think alumni are going to reach out to you and be as supportive?

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Posted By: jonesable
Date Posted: Nov 06 2012 at 12:01am
Yeah....
I still want to go.
I know alot of educated black women in the military.
My cousin just graduated Law School and enlisted soon after.
I also know some MBA's in the military and an MD
She always talked about it but wanted to go to law school first.

I was into it for a while.
About to start training

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Posted By: jonesable
Date Posted: Nov 06 2012 at 12:04am
Lol NVM I forgot Epitome thinks that there should be a mass exodus of blacks from the south.


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Posted By: EPITOME
Date Posted: Nov 06 2012 at 12:06am
most of the ppl i know who are black and in the military are educated
i still don't get it
i guess when you're educated you can avoid combat

i get men--but women in the military are in such a precarious position imo

and women who go abroad with contracting companies that are hired out by the military are in an even worst position with those adhesion contracts that they sign! those contracts are merciless and force them to mediation and they cannot get justice in court for the acts committed against them. 


while i love a man in uniform--a suit works just as well




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Posted By: EPITOME
Date Posted: Nov 06 2012 at 12:08am
Originally posted by jonesable jonesable wrote:

Lol NVM I forgot Epitome thinks that there should be a mass exodus of blacks from the south.


I'm good

that is said in jest and more tongue in cheek...this is serious.
i don't expect my opinion to matter of course or change your course of action
idk you and you don't know me
/shrugs/


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Posted By: jonesable
Date Posted: Nov 06 2012 at 12:09am
The military has always been an interest of mine.
My high teachers purposely steered me from it though they had a certain stigma of the military which I understand.
They purposely made us miss the Asvab


Oh yeah that statement had no venom

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Posted By: EPITOME
Date Posted: Nov 06 2012 at 12:12am
^mine doesn't either. while i would never encourage my son to join the armed forces, i truly feel that it is a realm that should be for men.  like firefighting.  

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Posted By: ThatGurlD
Date Posted: Nov 06 2012 at 12:23am
I have a close friend who is active duty.  I should ask her about this.  

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Posted By: carolina cutie
Date Posted: Nov 06 2012 at 12:33am
This mess has been going on since my mom told enlisted back in the late 70s.

There's a general or major in NC who was arrested for raping 6 women, 5 whom were officers.

No shortage of women willing to tell their stories of rape and cover up when they were enlisted either.

Until the military gets checks and balances in place. You know, actually taking rape crimes seriously and having a culture of basic respect for women, they'll keep happening with little to no consequence.Dead

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Posted By: starflower7
Date Posted: Nov 06 2012 at 12:35am
Originally posted by carolina cutie carolina cutie wrote:


There's a general or major in NC who was arrested for raping 6 women, 5 whom were officers.


Wow. I would have thought the officers would be afforded more respect/protection.


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Posted By: teendiva
Date Posted: Nov 06 2012 at 12:36am
Originally posted by starflower7 starflower7 wrote:


Originally posted by EPITOME EPITOME wrote:

i will say that idk why women join the military, idk why black women join the military, idk why anyone with education joins the military.


Well damn.

Lol. And here we go.

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Posted By: Lite Brite
Date Posted: Nov 06 2012 at 12:39am
Originally posted by EPITOME EPITOME wrote:

^mine doesn't either. while i would never encourage my son to join the armed forces, i truly feel that it is a realm that should be for men.  like firefighting.  


I agree firefighting should be a men-only profession. Unless the women are put in positions where they won't be physically rescuing anyone.

But, while I would never want to join the military, I support women's right to do so... I just think there's too much risk for me to really get it, but I feel that way about a lot of stuff, so..


Posted By: OrriannaRose
Date Posted: Nov 06 2012 at 12:39am
Originally posted by EPITOME EPITOME wrote:

i will say that idk why women join the military, idk why black women join the military, idk why anyone with education joins the military.

I wonder about this too.


Posted By: OrriannaRose
Date Posted: Nov 06 2012 at 12:40am
Originally posted by carolina cutie carolina cutie wrote:

This mess has been going on since my mom told enlisted back in the late 70s.

There's a general or major in NC who was arrested for raping 6 women, 5 whom were officers.

No shortage of women willing to tell their stories of rape and cover up when they were enlisted either.

Until the military gets checks and balances in place. You know, actually taking rape crimes seriously and having a culture of basic respect for women, they'll keep happening with little to no consequence.Dead

This country in general.


Posted By: carolina cutie
Date Posted: Nov 06 2012 at 12:45am
Originally posted by starflower7 starflower7 wrote:

Originally posted by carolina cutie carolina cutie wrote:


There's a general or major in NC who was arrested for raping 6 women, 5 whom were officers.


Wow. I would have thought the officers would be afforded more respect/protection.
This whole story.Angry

Army general pulled rank, forced sex: prosecutors


FORT BRAGG, North Carolina (Reuters) - An Army general used his superior rank to force subordinates into improper sexual relations, military prosecutors said on Monday at a hearing to determine if he should face a court-martial.

Brigadier General Jeffrey Sinclair, a 27-year Army veteran based at Fort Bragg, is accused of 26 violations of military law including forcible sodomy, wrongful sexual conduct, possessing pornography while deployed and conduct unbecoming of an officer.

The charges stem from inappropriate behavior toward four female subordinates and a civilian over the last five years, Army prosecutors said, revealing new details about charges brought against Sinclair in September.

Prosecutors said the alleged sexual contacts took place in Afghanistan, Iraq and Germany, as well as at military bases in the United States. Sinclair was sent home in May from Afghanistan, where he had served as a deputy commander for support, officials said.

Major General James Huggins testified on Monday that one of the women, a captain who Sinclair had requested be assigned to his unit in Afghanistan, tearfully reported having a three-year affair with him..

The woman said in March she had looked at Sinclair's emails and found exchanges with other women, Huggins testified. She also reported that Sinclair had forcibly sodomized her after grabbing her by the neck, and threatened her career if she backed out of the relationship, he said.

"She wanted out," said Huggins, one of Sinclair's superiors. "She said she had tried, but Sinclair persisted."

Huggins said Sinclair admitted to showing "poor judgment" in a limited number of encounters with the woman.

THREATS

Prosecutors also accused Sinclair of threatening to kill one subordinate, or her family, if she revealed having an affair with him.

They said he asked women to send him nude photos and berated female subordinates on several occasions.

Sinclair is accused of claiming more than $4,000 worth of charges for personal travel as military business, and of deleting emails during the investigation, prosecutors said. Defense attorneys suggested the personal trips may have included Army business.

When asked by hearing officer Major General Perry Wiggins if he would make a statement regarding the charges, Sinclair said "No, sir." His defense team declined to comment.

The hearing proceeded despite an attempt by defense attorneys to have the case dismissed or government prosecutors removed over concerns that they had improper access to confidential emails between Sinclair, his attorneys and his wife.

"How does he get a fair trial if you have access to his personal communications with his attorney?" said Sinclair's defense lawyer, Lieutenant Colonel Jackie Thompson.

Leona Mansapit, a criminal investigations special agent, testified that she reviewed emails between Sinclair and his wife and attorney, and that military prosecutors had seen at least one of those emails.

Mansapit said she did not appoint an independent researcher to review Sinclair's emails as required because she lacked the resources to do so.

Wiggins briefly postponed the proceedings while the emails were reviewed by a legal adviser, but ultimately decided to hear evidence as planned.

Wiggins will recommend whether Sinclair should stand trial on any of the charges. Dozens more witnesses are expected to give testimony at the hearing this week.

(Editing by Colleen Jenkins, Cynthia Johnston and Christopher Wilson)




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Posted By: Naturalchick30
Date Posted: Nov 06 2012 at 1:06am
Youtube has lots of videos about rape in the military.  This has been going on for years..


Posted By: carolina cutie
Date Posted: Nov 06 2012 at 1:14am
Originally posted by OrriannaRose OrriannaRose wrote:

Originally posted by carolina cutie carolina cutie wrote:

This mess has been going on since my mom told enlisted back in the late 70s.

There's a general or major in NC who was arrested for raping 6 women, 5 whom were officers.

No shortage of women willing to tell their stories of rape and cover up when they were enlisted either.

Until the military gets checks and balances in place. You know, actually taking rape crimes seriously and having a culture of basic respect for women, they'll keep happening with little to no consequence.Dead

This country in general.
DeadCry

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Posted By: sweet_n_stuff04
Date Posted: Nov 06 2012 at 1:23am
Originally posted by starflower7 starflower7 wrote:


I'll keep this short. I was watching this

http://www.movie2k.to/The-Invisible-War-watch-movie-2019443.html" rel="nofollow - http://www.movie2k.to/The-Invisible-War-watch-movie-2019443.html

which is a documentary about rape in the military and how rare it is for these crimes against women to be taken seriously. I got the idea that the whole reason women were ever allowed in the military was to entertain the men. I say this because when it comes to physical work, women are much less efficient and more vulnerable; they don't even allow the women in combat; they create environments which enable the men to prey on the women; and they often blame the woman for complaining about it or sweep it under the rug. 

This is something they had to have known would happen. It's a simple as 1-2-3. Men/people will behave in predictable ways in certain situations. These are men are stressed out, isolated from society, away from their families, and sometimes risking life and limb and they throw a few women into the mix. What did they expect would happen? They come in from a hard day of work, no family to greet them, they already feel like women are not doing their share of the work, and they most likely feel entitled. 

I have never been in the military nor do I have any family members who have so I may be way off here. What is your opinion on this?


To the first bolded part, that's not true. I know women who work in aircraft maintenance that can take apart a C-130 engine and fix it with no problems. I know skinny men in my job (network technician) that couldn't even lift a book and put it on a shelf.

The second bolded is the reason why there are so many rapes in the military...people sympathize with these men. This whole paragraph sounds like women/victim blaming...as if a woman got raped because the man has it so hard; how about that man needs to grow the fuck up and keep his hands to himself.

We go though plenty of briefings about rape and professional/unprofessional relationships before, during, and after we deploy...also while in-garrison.



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Posted By: sweet_n_stuff04
Date Posted: Nov 06 2012 at 1:25am
Oh and I literally laughed out loud and the men only jobs. Should there be women only jobs as well? Secretary? Nurse? Paper bitch? Damsel in distress? *rolls eyes* 

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Posted By: carolina cutie
Date Posted: Nov 06 2012 at 1:31am
CryLOL@ paper b*tch.

Your posts have been thanked.


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Posted By: Lite Brite
Date Posted: Nov 06 2012 at 1:34am
Originally posted by sweet_n_stuff04 sweet_n_stuff04 wrote:

Oh and I literally laughed out loud and the men only jobs. Should there be women only jobs as well? Secretary? Nurse? Paper bitch? Damsel in distress? *rolls eyes* 



is there a possibility that people will die as a result of physical differences between men and women in these jobs?


ETA: as long as women firefighters have the same requirements as men (ex, able to lift x amount of weight) then I'm fine with it. But I remember hearing a debate about this from bill maher yrs ago that women werent held to the same standards


Posted By: mrshairdo
Date Posted: Nov 06 2012 at 1:35am
lmfaooo i am fuccin dead @ paper bish

mrshairdo is retiring for the night y'all.....



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Posted By: csungrl09
Date Posted: Nov 06 2012 at 1:39am
Originally posted by EPITOME EPITOME wrote:

i will say that idk why women join the military, idk why black women join the military, idk why anyone with education joins the military.

benefits.
the end.


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Posted By: OrriannaRose
Date Posted: Nov 06 2012 at 1:43am
Originally posted by sweet_n_stuff04 sweet_n_stuff04 wrote:

Oh and I literally laughed out loud and the men only jobs. Should there be women only jobs as well? Secretary? Nurse? Paper bitch? Damsel in distress? *rolls eyes* 
 
DeadDeadDeadDeadDeadDeadDeadDead


Posted By: starflower7
Date Posted: Nov 06 2012 at 2:12am
Originally posted by sweet_n_stuff04 sweet_n_stuff04 wrote:

Originally posted by starflower7 starflower7 wrote:


I'll keep this short. I was watching this

http://www.movie2k.to/The-Invisible-War-watch-movie-2019443.html" rel="nofollow - http://www.movie2k.to/The-Invisible-War-watch-movie-2019443.html

which is a documentary about rape in the military and how rare it is for these crimes against women to be taken seriously. I got the idea that the whole reason women were ever allowed in the military was to entertain the men. I say this because when it comes to physical work, women are much less efficient and more vulnerable; they don't even allow the women in combat; they create environments which enable the men to prey on the women; and they often blame the woman for complaining about it or sweep it under the rug. 

This is something they had to have known would happen. It's a simple as 1-2-3. Men/people will behave in predictable ways in certain situations. These are men are stressed out, isolated from society, away from their families, and sometimes risking life and limb and they throw a few women into the mix. What did they expect would happen? They come in from a hard day of work, no family to greet them, they already feel like women are not doing their share of the work, and they most likely feel entitled. 

I have never been in the military nor do I have any family members who have so I may be way off here. What is your opinion on this?


To the first bolded part, that's not true. I know women who work in aircraft maintenance that can take apart a C-130 engine and fix it with no problems. I know skinny men in my job (network technician) that couldn't even lift a book and put it on a shelf.

The second bolded is the reason why there are so many rapes in the military...people sympathize with these men. This whole paragraph sounds like women/victim blaming...as if a woman got raped because the man has it so hard; how about that man needs to grow the fuck up and keep his hands to himself.


1. You're comparing a female aircraft technician to a male office worker. I wasn't trying to imply that women are useless, however there is a noticeable difference between our physical abilities on average when not considering two extremes of the population which is kind of what you are doing. 

2. I don't sympathize with the men, but I think the people in charge in the military do and that's why this keeps happening. I agree that men should keep their hands to themselves, but what's right and wrong probably hasn't prevented as many assaults as the threat of legal action has. The stressors of military life compounded with the implied tolerance of this behavior by their supervisors probably does give them a sense of entitlement and superiority. I'm not sure how pointing that out is victim blaming.


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Posted By: Midna
Date Posted: Nov 06 2012 at 2:16am
I will never join the military. The misogyny there is in its purest form through men under stress, easily-manipulated and abused authority, and a horrible sense of entitlement. I think they turn straight animalistic because of all the stress. The sex games you commonly hear about are one thing. But the outright rape is another.

I'd feel safer in the of Chi-town at 3 in the morning than in the military. No hate to military peeps, but I'd fear for my safety and not because of the enemy I'd have to fight but the men I call my comrades.


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Posted By: starflower7
Date Posted: Nov 06 2012 at 2:16am
I kind of feel like no one is addressing my main question on whether they think women were allowed in the military for this specific purpose. That's not to say that all they can do or that's all they're good for, but considering that they have limited duties and that these types of crimes are very rarely acted upon, do you think this is why women continue to be recruited? Perhaps sex/entertainment is the only reason they are there but no one wants to come out and say it?

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Posted By: f8dagrate
Date Posted: Nov 06 2012 at 2:19am
Originally posted by sweet_n_stuff04 sweet_n_stuff04 wrote:

Oh and I literally laughed out loud and the men only jobs. Should there be women only jobs as well? Secretary? Nurse? Paper bitch? Damsel in distress? *rolls eyes* 


wow never seen anyone ruffle ur feathers beforeShocked.. but i do agree with your post...

what about construction workers, should women quit their jobs because some men act like pigs..



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Posted By: f8dagrate
Date Posted: Nov 06 2012 at 2:20am
Originally posted by starflower7 starflower7 wrote:

I kind of feel like no one is addressing my main question on whether they think women were allowed in the military for this specific purpose. That's not to say that all they can do or that's all they're good for, but considering that they have limited duties and that these types of crimes are very rarely acted upon, do you think this is why women continue to be recruited? Perhaps sex/entertainment is the only reason they are there but no one wants to come out and say it?


JEZUS star that hurt my wil feelings.. i know u didn't mean to offend but stillCry


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Posted By: starflower7
Date Posted: Nov 06 2012 at 2:24am
Originally posted by f8dagrate f8dagrate wrote:

Originally posted by sweet_n_stuff04 sweet_n_stuff04 wrote:

Oh and I literally laughed out loud and the men only jobs. Should there be women only jobs as well? Secretary? Nurse? Paper bitch? Damsel in distress? *rolls eyes* 


wow never seen anyone ruffle ur feathers beforeShocked.. but i do agree with your post...

what about construction workers, should women quit their jobs because some men act like pigs..


I see where this is going...Sleepy

Y'all are so easily distracted--by arguments that have been had a million times before. Are we really going to do this?

This thread is not about whether women should be allowed in the military, or whether women should want to join the military. I'm asking if you find anything conspiratorial or suspicious about the "boys' club" culture of the military and if you think women are being sought out and recruited with less than savory intentions.


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Posted By: starflower7
Date Posted: Nov 06 2012 at 2:31am
Originally posted by f8dagrate f8dagrate wrote:

Originally posted by starflower7 starflower7 wrote:

I kind of feel like no one is addressing my main question on whether they think women were allowed in the military for this specific purpose. That's not to say that all they can do or that's all they're good for, but considering that they have limited duties and that these types of crimes are very rarely acted upon, do you think this is why women continue to be recruited? Perhaps sex/entertainment is the only reason they are there but no one wants to come out and say it?


JEZUS star that hurt my wil feelings.. i know u didn't mean to offend but stillCry

I don't mean that the civilian population knows it or even that the male soldiers know it. I'm just thinking this was a strategic move in order to make the male soldiers more efficient--all things considered. It will make more sense if you watch the video. These women's rights are not being protected. The women were encouraged to mingle with the men and get drunk. When a woman complains that she has been raped she may be charged with adultery or conduct unbecoming an officer. The men are rarely charged which leads me to believe they did what they were expected/supposed to do while the woman is being punished for not fulfilling her duty--the reason why she was recruited. No one is going to say it in plain English but the result is that most women do not report these crimes for fear of retaliation and so the chauvinistic culture endures and keeps pushing forward like a well-oiled machine.


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Posted By: Midna
Date Posted: Nov 06 2012 at 2:49am
^I wouldn't be surprised. It's like 28 Days Later when those military men were only willing to keep women to "repopulate."

It's as if women are cows to be herded to them.


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Posted By: starflower7
Date Posted: Nov 06 2012 at 2:51am
Originally posted by Midna Midna wrote:

^I wouldn't be surprised. It's like 28 Days Later when those military men were only willing to keep women to "repopulate."

It's as if women are cows to be herded to them.

You are so right! They lured the people there under the guise they they were going to help them but they were really just trying to get females. It would be crazy if this thing was happening on a much larger scale. Ouch


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Posted By: f8dagrate
Date Posted: Nov 06 2012 at 2:54am
@star wow if so that sad and creepy, man a woman can't do nothing without being preyed upon..

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Posted By: sweet_n_stuff04
Date Posted: Nov 06 2012 at 2:57am
Originally posted by starflower7 starflower7 wrote:

Originally posted by f8dagrate f8dagrate wrote:

Originally posted by sweet_n_stuff04 sweet_n_stuff04 wrote:

Oh and I literally laughed out loud and the men only jobs. Should there be women only jobs as well? Secretary? Nurse? Paper bitch? Damsel in distress? *rolls eyes* 


wow never seen anyone ruffle ur feathers beforeShocked.. but i do agree with your post...

what about construction workers, should women quit their jobs because some men act like pigs..


I see where this is going...Sleepy

Y'all are so easily distracted--by arguments that have been had a million times before. Are we really going to do this?

This thread is not about whether women should be allowed in the military, or whether women should want to join the military. I'm asking if you find anything conspiratorial or suspicious about the "boys' club" culture of the military and if you think women are being sought out and recruited with less than savory intentions.


No, I don't find anything suspicious about the "boys' club" culture of the military and women aren't recruited any differently than men. Recruiters want able-bodied people to join no matter what your sex is. They take test scores and whatever jobs are available at the time to get you to join.

And on the topic as to why women esp. black women would want to join the military...the question could be asked about a number of jobs. Why would women want to get into politics? Why would women (or anyone for that matter) want to be a lawyer? I know I joined for the benefits...I was able to get 3 certs thanks to the military. When I get out I'll have job experience and now that I'm a sergeant, leadership experience.




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Posted By: starflower7
Date Posted: Nov 06 2012 at 3:02am
Originally posted by sweet_n_stuff04 sweet_n_stuff04 wrote:

Originally posted by starflower7 starflower7 wrote:

Originally posted by f8dagrate f8dagrate wrote:

Originally posted by sweet_n_stuff04 sweet_n_stuff04 wrote:

Oh and I literally laughed out loud and the men only jobs. Should there be women only jobs as well? Secretary? Nurse? Paper bitch? Damsel in distress? *rolls eyes* 


wow never seen anyone ruffle ur feathers beforeShocked.. but i do agree with your post...

what about construction workers, should women quit their jobs because some men act like pigs..


I see where this is going...Sleepy

Y'all are so easily distracted--by arguments that have been had a million times before. Are we really going to do this?

This thread is not about whether women should be allowed in the military, or whether women should want to join the military. I'm asking if you find anything conspiratorial or suspicious about the "boys' club" culture of the military and if you think women are being sought out and recruited with less than savory intentions.


No, I don't find anything suspicious about the "boys' club" culture of the military and women aren't recruited any differently than men. Recruiters want able-bodied people to join no matter what your sex is. They take test scores and whatever jobs are available at the time to get you to join.


Why do you think the military chooses to protect men instead of women when accusations of rape are made?

Do you think that a woman's limited duties may make her less valuable in their eyes than a male would be? What other implications may this have regarding the level of respect women receive from their superiors and comrades? (So nothing about this seems like a set up to you?)


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Posted By: sweet_n_stuff04
Date Posted: Nov 06 2012 at 3:58am
Why do you think the military chooses to protect men instead of women when accusations of rape are made?

* Where are you getting this info. from? I don't think the military protects men. From some of the things that I've heard (not sure if it's true or not) it's easier for a woman to claim rape than it is for a man to defend himself. A lot of people say that they hear stories of men going to a party/bar/wherever...they meet a girl, both get drunk, then have sex. Later on the girl would get embarrassed and want to claim she was raped. I'm not the military expert but like I've said before, we have the resources needed to help victims of rape and it's taken seriously on all accounts.*

I'm starting to think that I'm talking on deaf ears. You really don't want to hear about different opinions...you just want to believe what you want. So with that being said...I'm done.



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Posted By: starflower7
Date Posted: Nov 06 2012 at 4:17am
Originally posted by sweet_n_stuff04 sweet_n_stuff04 wrote:

Why do you think the military chooses to protect men instead of women when accusations of rape are made?

* Where are you getting this info. from? I don't think the military protects men. From some of the things that I've heard (not sure if it's true or not) it's easier for a woman to claim rape than it is for a man to defend himself. A lot of people say that they hear stories of men going to a party/bar/wherever...they meet a girl, both get drunk, then have sex. Later on the girl would get embarrassed and want to claim she was raped. I'm not the military expert but like I've said before, we have the resources needed to help victims of rape and it's taken seriously on all accounts.*


I'm starting to think that I'm talking on deaf ears. You really don't want to hear about different opinions...you just want to believe what you want. So with that being said...I'm done.


Well this is indeed the first time I've heard this version of events. Are we entering the personal attack phase so soon? You've only started addressing my question in your last couple of posts. I posted a documentary which is based on interviews as well as stats from government studies. I'm not sure where you got your info from but it sounds like typical misogynist drivel. LOL And you called me the victim blamer. So with that being said...good riddance!


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Posted By: tatee
Date Posted: Nov 06 2012 at 4:52am
Originally posted by starflower7 starflower7 wrote:

I kind of feel like no one is addressing my main question on whether they think women were allowed in the military for this specific purpose. That's not to say that all they can do or that's all they're good for, but considering that they have limited duties and that these types of crimes are very rarely acted upon, do you think this is why women continue to be recruited? Perhaps sex/entertainment is the only reason they are there but no one wants to come out and say it?


Star, i think the reason you'll find it hard to get your questions addressed is that black people are incapable of truly believing that the white man is strategically trying to destroy them in every physical,mental and spiritual phase of their existence, even when everything in history tells them this is so.  If you every want to know the answer to a question you have about white affinity for evil dont ask black people ask history.

is it possible that women are recruited as sexual entertainment for men in the military? yes.


Posted By: Naturalchick30
Date Posted: Nov 06 2012 at 5:10am
Originally posted by starflower7 starflower7 wrote:

I kind of feel like no one is addressing my main question on whether they think women were allowed in the military for this specific purpose. That's not to say that all they can do or that's all they're good for, but considering that they have limited duties and that these types of crimes are very rarely acted upon, do you think this is why women continue to be recruited? Perhaps sex/entertainment is the only reason they are there but no one wants to come out and say it?
 
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Posted By: Ladybird0724
Date Posted: Nov 06 2012 at 8:01am
Originally posted by sweet_n_stuff04 sweet_n_stuff04 wrote:

Why do you think the military chooses to protect men instead of women when accusations of rape are made?

* Where are you getting this info. from? I don't think the military protects men. From some of the things that I've heard (not sure if it's true or not) it's easier for a woman to claim rape than it is for a man to defend himself. A lot of people say that they hear stories of men going to a party/bar/wherever...they meet a girl, both get drunk, then have sex. Later on the girl would get embarrassed and want to claim she was raped. I'm not the military expert but like I've said before, we have the resources needed to help victims of rape and it's taken seriously on all accounts.*

I'm starting to think that I'm talking on deaf ears. You really don't want to hear about different opinions...you just want to believe what you want. So with that being said...I'm done.



in the military world, it doesn't work like that. at all.

you think that rapes are underreported in the civilian world? think how it is in a culture where you even insinuate that something like that has gone on, you are denied promotions, created a (more) hostile work environment, basically become ostrasized and so much more. and that's just for someone in your rank or below. if it's an officer? it's even worse. IMO, when a woman in the military says she was raped, I take it seriously b/c she has probably thought about all of these things. it is so much easier for a male to dismiss it and the incident get swept under the rug.

i don't know how to explain it, but it's different. and the military doesn't take it seriously b/c it is so much of a "boys club" as explained before. the majority of men do not like females in the military and will openly say so to their face.. i have seen it. numerous times. when my husband deployed w/ his unit, females were put in temporarily

part of it is how the military culture is, and yes, it has to do w/ the thought of females not belonging in combat roles, or even in the military at all. if a female has a promotion, it was b/c she did some sexual favor, or it was to advance the #of females in in higher ranking roles.

its also part of a larger culture where women are not respected and seen as only objects.


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Posted By: Ladybird0724
Date Posted: Nov 06 2012 at 8:05am
Originally posted by starflower7 starflower7 wrote:



I see where this is going...Sleepy

Y'all are so easily distracted--by arguments that have been had a million times before. Are we really going to do this?

This thread is not about whether women should be allowed in the military, or whether women should want to join the military. I'm asking if you find anything conspiratorial or suspicious about the "boys' club" culture of the military and if you think women are being sought out and recruited with less than savory intentions.


star, I think I get what you are saying.

yes, there is something suspicious about the "boys club" mentality of the military. it's gone on for so long and they don't want to change it. having women in there drastically changes things and they don't like it. that's not everyone in the military though and you'll find' "boys' clubs" everywhere.

as far as recruitment, i'm sure that some recruiters do that. recruiting practices on their own can employ extremely predatory practices towards people in lower income areas so that they get their numbers. but that's not all recruiters...I would say that the majority genuinely want people to join for the right reasons

as far as women being in the military in the capacity that they are in now, that goes back to the (white) women's suffage movement.

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It is said it takes seven years
to grow completely new skin cells.
To think, this year I will grow
into a body you never will
have touched.
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Posted By: SoutherNtellect
Date Posted: Nov 06 2012 at 8:07am
i giggled a little bit at paper b1tch


Posted By: Tbaby
Date Posted: Nov 06 2012 at 8:13am
Before ppl here go off half cocked on this "women are in the military for entertainment" theory why don't yall actually talk to some women who serve.  I have served in the armed forces for years.  No its not perfect, but society is just as jacked up--if not more so.  Rape occurs but to say its swept under the rug systematically is hog wash.

Why would you think the military shouldn't employ women?  There are thousands of positions that aren't based on strength.  Women are accountants, lawyers, computer technicians, doctors, nurses, logistical supervisors, maintenance operators, truck drivers, human resource managers, and the list goes on.  Not every one actually runs around with a gun hunting terroristsStern Smile

The military pays for housing, education, and medical benefits.  Why shouldn't women have access to all these benefits?  I've seen Black and Hispanic females reach more successful career goals inside the military then in civilian life.  The leadership is much more diverse with AAs in top positions.  The civilian world not so much.  End of rant.






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Posted By: beautiful_hair
Date Posted: Nov 06 2012 at 8:21am
Women and men are raped in the military because people are people.  The military doesn't change someone once they join; you're still the same person with the same thoughts and actions you were before you joined.  It's the same concept in the civilian world.  

Furthermore, the Navy (don't know about other branches) will not side with the male because of some so called "boys club" as most of you put it.  Just like sweet_n_stuff wrote, it is far too easy for a woman to say she was raped or sexually harassed and the male get all the punishment.  I've seen it happened and the girl had lied about it.  Turns out she didn't like the way her supervisor was treating her so she concocted a story about him sexually harassing her and got him kicked out.  The Navy takes this very seriously, but unfortunately, it will always be a problem because people will always be people.


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Posted By: sweet_n_stuff04
Date Posted: Nov 06 2012 at 8:21am
Originally posted by Tbaby Tbaby wrote:

Before ppl here go off half cocked on this "women are in the military for entertainment" theory why don't yall actually talk to some women who serve.  I have served in the armed forces for years.  No its not perfect, but society is just as jacked up--if not more so.  Rape occurs but to say its swept under the rug systematically is hog wash.

Why would you think the military shouldn't employ women?  There are thousands of positions that aren't based on strength.  Women are accountants, lawyers, computer technicians, doctors, nurses, logistical supervisors, maintenance operators, truck drivers, human resource managers, and the list goes on.  Not every one actually runs around with a gun hunting terroristsStern Smile

The military pays for housing, education, and medical benefits.  Why shouldn't women have access to all these benefits?  I've seen Black and Hispanic females reach more successful career goals inside the military then in civilian life.  The leadership is much more diverse with AAs in top positions.  The civilian world not so much.  End of rant.







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Posted By: beautiful_hair
Date Posted: Nov 06 2012 at 8:24am
Originally posted by Tbaby Tbaby wrote:

Before ppl here go off half cocked on this "women are in the military for entertainment" theory why don't yall actually talk to some women who serve.  I have served in the armed forces for years.  No its not perfect, but society is just as jacked up--if not more so.  Rape occurs but to say its swept under the rug systematically is hog wash.

Why would you think the military shouldn't employ women?  There are thousands of positions that aren't based on strength.  Women are accountants, lawyers, computer technicians, doctors, nurses, logistical supervisors, maintenance operators, truck drivers, human resource managers, and the list goes on.  Not every one actually runs around with a gun hunting terroristsStern Smile

The military pays for housing, education, and medical benefits.  Why shouldn't women have access to all these benefits?  I've seen Black and Hispanic females reach more successful career goals inside the military then in civilian life.  The leadership is much more diverse with AAs in top positions.  The civilian world not so much.  End of rant.




Exactly.  I'm active duty Navy and I agree with you 100% .  My sister is an attorney in the civilian world, but wanted to become a Navy Jag.  Why wouldn't educated people join the military?  We can make a hell of a lot more money than our counterparts in the civilian because of all the extra pay we get.  I'm stationed in Japan right now making big money and all I do is sit at a desk all day.  Don't talk about it unless you know about it.


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Posted By: sweet_n_stuff04
Date Posted: Nov 06 2012 at 8:27am
Originally posted by Ladybird0724 Ladybird0724 wrote:

Originally posted by sweet_n_stuff04 sweet_n_stuff04 wrote:

Why do you think the military chooses to protect men instead of women when accusations of rape are made?

* Where are you getting this info. from? I don't think the military protects men. From some of the things that I've heard (not sure if it's true or not) it's easier for a woman to claim rape than it is for a man to defend himself. A lot of people say that they hear stories of men going to a party/bar/wherever...they meet a girl, both get drunk, then have sex. Later on the girl would get embarrassed and want to claim she was raped. I'm not the military expert but like I've said before, we have the resources needed to help victims of rape and it's taken seriously on all accounts.*

I'm starting to think that I'm talking on deaf ears. You really don't want to hear about different opinions...you just want to believe what you want. So with that being said...I'm done.



in the military world, it doesn't work like that. at all.

you think that rapes are underreported in the civilian world? think how it is in a culture where you even insinuate that something like that has gone on, you are denied promotions, created a (more) hostile work environment, basically become ostrasized and so much more. and that's just for someone in your rank or below. if it's an officer? it's even worse. IMO, when a woman in the military says she was raped, I take it seriously b/c she has probably thought about all of these things. it is so much easier for a male to dismiss it and the incident get swept under the rug.

i don't know how to explain it, but it's different. and the military doesn't take it seriously b/c it is so much of a "boys club" as explained before. the majority of men do not like females in the military and will openly say so to their face.. i have seen it. numerous times. when my husband deployed w/ his unit, females were put in temporarily

part of it is how the military culture is, and yes, it has to do w/ the thought of females not belonging in combat roles, or even in the military at all. if a female has a promotion, it was b/c she did some sexual favor, or it was to advance the #of females in in higher ranking roles.

its also part of a larger culture where women are not respected and seen as only objects.


I'm in the military world and it does work the way that I said it. Idk what branch you're in but the Air Force has a zero tolerance for abuse.


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Posted By: beautiful_hair
Date Posted: Nov 06 2012 at 8:28am
Originally posted by sweet_n_stuff04 sweet_n_stuff04 wrote:

Originally posted by Ladybird0724 Ladybird0724 wrote:

Originally posted by sweet_n_stuff04 sweet_n_stuff04 wrote:

Why do you think the military chooses to protect men instead of women when accusations of rape are made?

* Where are you getting this info. from? I don't think the military protects men. From some of the things that I've heard (not sure if it's true or not) it's easier for a woman to claim rape than it is for a man to defend himself. A lot of people say that they hear stories of men going to a party/bar/wherever...they meet a girl, both get drunk, then have sex. Later on the girl would get embarrassed and want to claim she was raped. I'm not the military expert but like I've said before, we have the resources needed to help victims of rape and it's taken seriously on all accounts.*

I'm starting to think that I'm talking on deaf ears. You really don't want to hear about different opinions...you just want to believe what you want. So with that being said...I'm done.



in the military world, it doesn't work like that. at all.

you think that rapes are underreported in the civilian world? think how it is in a culture where you even insinuate that something like that has gone on, you are denied promotions, created a (more) hostile work environment, basically become ostrasized and so much more. and that's just for someone in your rank or below. if it's an officer? it's even worse. IMO, when a woman in the military says she was raped, I take it seriously b/c she has probably thought about all of these things. it is so much easier for a male to dismiss it and the incident get swept under the rug.

i don't know how to explain it, but it's different. and the military doesn't take it seriously b/c it is so much of a "boys club" as explained before. the majority of men do not like females in the military and will openly say so to their face.. i have seen it. numerous times. when my husband deployed w/ his unit, females were put in temporarily

part of it is how the military culture is, and yes, it has to do w/ the thought of females not belonging in combat roles, or even in the military at all. if a female has a promotion, it was b/c she did some sexual favor, or it was to advance the #of females in in higher ranking roles.

its also part of a larger culture where women are not respected and seen as only objects.


I'm in the military world and it does work the way that I said it. Idk what branch you're in but the Air Force has a zero tolerance for abuse.
As does the Navy


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Posted By: sweet_n_stuff04
Date Posted: Nov 06 2012 at 8:32am
You've been thanked Smile

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Posted By: Ladybird0724
Date Posted: Nov 06 2012 at 8:33am
^I'm a military wife and have family and some of my best friends are in the Army and  so I don't serve but I'm familiar w/ the Army. 2 of them have been assaluted/raped and that has been their experience.  

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to grow completely new skin cells.
To think, this year I will grow
into a body you never will
have touched.
— Brett Elizabeth Jenkins


Posted By: smaison
Date Posted: Nov 06 2012 at 8:38am
I have a female friend whose half black/half Native American... 3 reasons why I don't think she should be in the army.

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Posted By: afrokock
Date Posted: Nov 06 2012 at 8:45am
militaries are literally laws unto themselves

they are like lil countries doing sh*t beyond standard legislative reach with their own police and court (just to protect themselves)

another ext of a boys club.

what was that movie with john travolta

im a firm believer that if the military didnt make excuses and cover up internal crimes, these incidents would be few and isolated.

talk about high pressure stressful environments is just an excuse, if they were going to rape, they were going to rape regardless

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Posted By: Tbaby
Date Posted: Nov 06 2012 at 8:52am
Originally posted by Ladybird0724 Ladybird0724 wrote:

Originally posted by sweet_n_stuff04 sweet_n_stuff04 wrote:

Why do you think the military chooses to protect men instead of women when accusations of rape are made?

* Where are you getting this info. from? I don't think the military protects men. From some of the things that I've heard (not sure if it's true or not) it's easier for a woman to claim rape than it is for a man to defend himself. A lot of people say that they hear stories of men going to a party/bar/wherever...they meet a girl, both get drunk, then have sex. Later on the girl would get embarrassed and want to claim she was raped. I'm not the military expert but like I've said before, we have the resources needed to help victims of rape and it's taken seriously on all accounts.*

I'm starting to think that I'm talking on deaf ears. You really don't want to hear about different opinions...you just want to believe what you want. So with that being said...I'm done.



in the military world, it doesn't work like that. at all.

you think that rapes are underreported in the civilian world? think how it is in a culture where you even insinuate that something like that has gone on, you are denied promotions, created a (more) hostile work environment, basically become ostrasized and so much more. and that's just for someone in your rank or below. if it's an officer? it's even worse. IMO, when a woman in the military says she was raped, I take it seriously b/c she has probably thought about all of these things. it is so much easier for a male to dismiss it and the incident get swept under the rug.

i don't know how to explain it, but it's different. and the military doesn't take it seriously b/c it is so much of a "boys club" as explained before. the majority of men do not like females in the military and will openly say so to their face.. i have seen it. numerous times. when my husband deployed w/ his unit, females were put in temporarily

part of it is how the military culture is, and yes, it has to do w/ the thought of females not belonging in combat roles, or even in the military at all. if a female has a promotion, it was b/c she did some sexual favor, or it was to advance the #of females in in higher ranking roles.

its also part of a larger culture where women are not respected and seen as only objects.


I didn't see your post since I was typing mine earlier.  To say that females get promoted by sleeping around is dead wrong, insulting and disgusting.  Promotions aren't quota driven either.  For enlisted Army you have to earn points thru schooling and exams, and for Army officers the same without the point system.  Promotion boards view files and then select persons that have meet the requirements. 

So to say women perform sexual favors to go up in rank is "uninformed" to put it lightly.  Yes you are married to a service member but still you are on the outside looking in, like the rest of the posters voicing opinions completely off base literally and figuratively.


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Posted By: Tbaby
Date Posted: Nov 06 2012 at 9:01am
Originally posted by sweet_n_stuff04 sweet_n_stuff04 wrote:



I wish I could thank you a million times for this!


You did pretty good holding it down til reinforcements arrivedLOL


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Posted By: smaison
Date Posted: Nov 06 2012 at 9:06am
I think ladybird was trying to say that's what people THINK when females are promoted in the military.

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Posted By: OoDles O
Date Posted: Nov 06 2012 at 9:09am
Originally posted by afrokock afrokock wrote:

militaries are literally laws unto themselves

they are like lil countries doing sh*t beyond standard legislative reach with their own police and court (just to protect themselves)

another ext of a boys club.

what was that movie with john travolta

im a firm believer that if the military didnt make excuses and cover up internal crimes, these incidents would be few and isolated.

talk about high pressure stressful environments is just an excuse, if they were going to rape, they were going to rape regardless

yeah..I agree.. thats crazy talk right there.


but a good bit of info from our fellow BHM active duty constituents 


Posted By: beautiful_hair
Date Posted: Nov 06 2012 at 9:12am
Originally posted by smaison smaison wrote:

I think ladybird was trying to say that's what people THINK when females are promoted in the military.
Doubt it.  She said she is a military wife and has family and friends in the military and this is what she hears from them.  I can tell you that she/ they are wrong regardless.


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Posted By: Limalady
Date Posted: Nov 06 2012 at 9:15am
Yeah, I don't think anyone in this thread understands this issue. Also TBaby, the suggestion that women falsify rape claims just serves to silence rape victims. There is no incentive to lie, and the military sure isn't paying rape victims. The system will continue as it is, with a less than 5% conviction rate in rape cases. Men in the military are given a free pass to rape women.


Posted By: freedom76
Date Posted: Nov 06 2012 at 9:39am
This thread is very interesting. I wanted to say that female soldiers can have abortions. That is a reply to an earlier post.  I was a soldier for quite a few years and I worked as a Equal Opportunity civilian after. We worked with victims of rape as well. Yes, the military is an patriarchal organization. This is obvious because of male leadership. The way women are treated in the military resembles the way women are treated in America. I can say for a fact, the training each soldier receives on sexual harassment is outstanding. The punishments for sexual abuse are also outstanding. There will be victim blaming because when is there NOT victim blaming? The same male soldiers who see female soldiers as prey are the SAME men who see ALL women as prey. 

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Posted By: Limalady
Date Posted: Nov 06 2012 at 9:53am
^^^^That training and the harsh penalties are usless, because no one is ever convicted. I was in the military, and cases rarely even made it to trial. Many cases were determined by an independent military investigator not to have enough evidence to pursue a trial. The few trials that take place rarely result in convictions. The military pays great lol service to rape, but they don't really care.


Posted By: freedom76
Date Posted: Nov 06 2012 at 10:09am
Originally posted by Limalady Limalady wrote:

^^^^That training and the harsh penalties are usless, because no one is ever convicted. I was in the military, and cases rarely even made it to trial. Many cases were determined by an independent military investigator not to have enough evidence to pursue a trial. The few trials that take place rarely result in convictions. The military pays great lol service to rape, but they don't really care.


This is a gross understatement. Here is a recent article of a conviction:

http://news.yahoo.com/air-force-instructor-convicted-raping-recruit-022859553.html

Also read this report:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/nancy-parrish/rape-in-the-military_b_1434539.html
I am not saying that all rapist are convicted, but there are convictions. No there aren't enough, and this source says there has been a decrease in convictions.

 Just on a personal note, my uncle by marriage was convicted of rape and served 11 years in at Leavenworth.




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Posted By: Ladybird0724
Date Posted: Nov 06 2012 at 10:28am
Originally posted by smaison smaison wrote:

I think ladybird was trying to say that's what people THINK when females are promoted in the military.


yes that is what i was saying...


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Posted By: Ladybird0724
Date Posted: Nov 06 2012 at 10:30am
Originally posted by Tbaby Tbaby wrote:

Originally posted by Ladybird0724 Ladybird0724 wrote:

Originally posted by sweet_n_stuff04 sweet_n_stuff04 wrote:

Why do you think the military chooses to protect men instead of women when accusations of rape are made?

* Where are you getting this info. from? I don't think the military protects men. From some of the things that I've heard (not sure if it's true or not) it's easier for a woman to claim rape than it is for a man to defend himself. A lot of people say that they hear stories of men going to a party/bar/wherever...they meet a girl, both get drunk, then have sex. Later on the girl would get embarrassed and want to claim she was raped. I'm not the military expert but like I've said before, we have the resources needed to help victims of rape and it's taken seriously on all accounts.*

I'm starting to think that I'm talking on deaf ears. You really don't want to hear about different opinions...you just want to believe what you want. So with that being said...I'm done.



in the military world, it doesn't work like that. at all.

you think that rapes are underreported in the civilian world? think how it is in a culture where you even insinuate that something like that has gone on, you are denied promotions, created a (more) hostile work environment, basically become ostrasized and so much more. and that's just for someone in your rank or below. if it's an officer? it's even worse. IMO, when a woman in the military says she was raped, I take it seriously b/c she has probably thought about all of these things. it is so much easier for a male to dismiss it and the incident get swept under the rug.

i don't know how to explain it, but it's different. and the military doesn't take it seriously b/c it is so much of a "boys club" as explained before. the majority of men do not like females in the military and will openly say so to their face.. i have seen it. numerous times. when my husband deployed w/ his unit, females were put in temporarily

part of it is how the military culture is, and yes, it has to do w/ the thought of females not belonging in combat roles, or even in the military at all. if a female has a promotion, it was b/c she did some sexual favor, or it was to advance the #of females in in higher ranking roles.

its also part of a larger culture where women are not respected and seen as only objects.


I didn't see your post since I was typing mine earlier.  To say that females get promoted by sleeping around is dead wrong, insulting and disgusting.  Promotions aren't quota driven either.  For enlisted Army you have to earn points thru schooling and exams, and for Army officers the same without the point system.  Promotion boards view files and then select persons that have meet the requirements. 

So to say women perform sexual favors to go up in rank is "uninformed" to put it lightly.  Yes you are married to a service member but still you are on the outside looking in, like the rest of the posters voicing opinions completely off base literally and figuratively.


my intention was to say that is what some think when they are promoted...

sorry if you took it any other way...


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Posted By: EPITOME
Date Posted: Nov 06 2012 at 10:38am
Originally posted by freedom76 freedom76 wrote:

Originally posted by Limalady Limalady wrote:

^^^^That training and the harsh penalties are usless, because no one is ever convicted. I was in the military, and cases rarely even made it to trial. Many cases were determined by an independent military investigator not to have enough evidence to pursue a trial. The few trials that take place rarely result in convictions. The military pays great lol service to rape, but they don't really care.


This is a gross understatement. Here is a recent article of a conviction:

http://news.yahoo.com/air-force-instructor-convicted-raping-recruit-022859553.html

Also read this report:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/nancy-parrish/rape-in-the-military_b_1434539.html
I am not saying that all rapist are convicted, but there are convictions. No there aren't enough, and this source says there has been a decrease in convictions.

 Just on a personal note, my uncle by marriage was convicted of rape and served 11 years in at Leavenworth.




well her first statement said there is a less than 5% conviction rate so i am sure you could find some articles with someone being convicted.

now what is the civilian rate of rape convictions compared to the army?


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Posted By: Limalady
Date Posted: Nov 06 2012 at 11:01am
^^^^Exactly Epitome. I didn't say that convictions never happen. I said they are rare. It is hard for me not to get angry about it. I saw people get away with it. The victims were basically bullied into leaving (either by transfer or discharge). I shouldn't even speak about this. I am too biased and it hits too close to home for me.


Posted By: freedom76
Date Posted: Nov 06 2012 at 12:23pm
Originally posted by Limalady Limalady wrote:

^^^^Exactly Epitome. I didn't say that convictions never happen. I said they are rare. It is hard for me not to get angry about it. I saw people get away with it. The victims were basically bullied into leaving (either by transfer or discharge). I shouldn't even speak about this. I am too biased and it hits too close to home for me.


I understand...I didn't read your other posts. I was just going off of your response to me. I totally agree that the military needs to do more. I also understand being too close. Trust me I know. I wanted to point out that the military does have avenues, and not everyone is getting away with it. I can tell you heartbreaking stories. Some victims still haunt me.


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Posted By: tasty0619
Date Posted: Nov 06 2012 at 12:29pm
I don't see why it's so hard to believe rape gets overlooked or brushed under the rug...other crimes committed by army personnel do too...it happens to civilians as well. Don't take it as a personal attack on you if you haven't raped anyone when, IMO, there's nothing in the OP to defend. It seems she just asked WHY do we think this happens, and do we think it has to do with the start of allowing women into the army...keep calm and stay on topic lol

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Posted By: goodm3
Date Posted: Nov 06 2012 at 12:46pm
i had a guy who was retired military but went back  for job that you make the tax free money on...(whatever its called)...

he flat out told me that as a woman he won't recommend me going bc it would be a high chance of getting raped. he said the only way around it would be to start dating someone that was there with me.


Posted By: starflower7
Date Posted: Nov 06 2012 at 2:12pm
Originally posted by OoDles O OoDles O wrote:

Originally posted by afrokock afrokock wrote:


talk about high pressure stressful environments is just an excuse, if they were going to rape, they were going to rape regardless

yeah..I agree.. thats crazy talk right there.



So you don't think that people tend to do bad things more often when they feel they have the go-ahead and they will get away with it? Really?




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Posted By: starflower7
Date Posted: Nov 06 2012 at 2:13pm
Originally posted by smaison smaison wrote:

I think ladybird was trying to say that's what people THINK when females are promoted in the military.

Yeah this lol.


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Posted By: starflower7
Date Posted: Nov 06 2012 at 2:15pm
Originally posted by Limalady Limalady wrote:

Yeah, I don't think anyone in this thread understands this issue. Also TBaby, the suggestion that women falsify rape claims just serves to silence rape victims. There is no incentive to lie, and the military sure isn't paying rape victims. The system will continue as it is, with a less than 5% conviction rate in rape cases. Men in the military are given a free pass to rape women.

I think some are feeling judged for being in the military or feel like we think the military has nothing to offer women. That's not what I'm saying at all. But they obviously do have more serious issues with sexual harassment and rape, but I'm glad to know it hasn't been any of their experiences.

Plus ya know people will believe a man before they believe a woman any day smh.


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Posted By: mrshairdo
Date Posted: Nov 06 2012 at 2:21pm
 
Originally posted by afrokock afrokock wrote:


talk about high pressure stressful environments is just an excuse, if they were going to rape, they were going to rape regardless


i definitely disagree with that....imo ppl will commit atrocious acts if they knew they wouldn't get in trouble....i remember reading a poll once where they asked men if they could get away with it would they rape women and a staggering 60% said yes

lemme see if i can find


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Posted By: starflower7
Date Posted: Nov 06 2012 at 2:26pm
Look at all the looting that happened in Katrina. My cousin didn't leave til after the storm and she said when she got to the highway all she could see was tennis shoe boxes scattered in the street. You don't need tennis shoes to evacuate. 

The white slave owners raped the slaves because it was they knew they wouldn't have to answer to anyone. 

I think most people have dark, evil minds but the circumstances never let them rise to the forefront. If it weren't for the law this would be a completely different place.


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Posted By: EPITOME
Date Posted: Nov 06 2012 at 2:26pm
idk if i agree with that statement afro...what was that pysch experiment w/cruelty?

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Posted By: starflower7
Date Posted: Nov 06 2012 at 2:29pm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment" rel="nofollow - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment

This experiment is about obedience to authority but imo it proves that we will do wrong and not feel bad about it under the right conditions.


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Posted By: starflower7
Date Posted: Nov 06 2012 at 2:30pm
Originally posted by EPITOME EPITOME wrote:

idk if i agree with that statement afro...what was that pysch experiment w/cruelty?

Are you thinking of the one I just posted or another one?


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Posted By: mrshairdo
Date Posted: Nov 06 2012 at 2:32pm
Originally posted by starflower7 starflower7 wrote:

Look at all the looting that happened in Katrina. My cousin didn't leave til the middle of the storm and she said when she got to the highway all she could see was tennis shoe boxes scatted in the street. You don't need tennis shoes to evacuate. 

The white slave owners raped the slaves because it was they knew they wouldn't have to answer to anyone. 

I think most people have dark, evil minds but the circumstances never let them rise to the forefront. If it weren't for the law this would be a completely different place.

perfect example! there were a lot of rapes in that dome as well

isn't it also a well known fact that during war, women and children suffer most, with women being raped like it's nothing...

im sure not all of the soldiers had priors...well actually obviously they didnt

happened in iraq, afghanistan, vietnam....no offense but at their core men can really be vicious animals when it comes to power/sex


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Posted By: smaison
Date Posted: Nov 06 2012 at 2:38pm
i have never met anyone in the military that will tell you the whole truth and nothing but the truth about that world.
they go hard on protecting that system.
even my friend whose in the army. i have asked her multiple times about rape in the army and she has never given me a straight answer; she always beats around the bush when i bring it up.
something aint right.
always telling me that the army is great one minute and then the next telling me how much she hates it but can never just come out and tell me why she hates it.
i feel for a lot of people who sign up base on misinformation.
and i know recruiters lie too.
idk why people in here caught feelings on this topic because it didnt have to go there. people just want information. and while i appreciate some of yall sharing "some" of that information, getting offended quickly aint helping your case.
please don't act like rape and sweeping it under the rug is not a problem in the military.
and thanks for your service.




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Posted By: starflower7
Date Posted: Nov 06 2012 at 2:41pm
Originally posted by smaison smaison wrote:

i have never met anyone in the military that will tell you the whole truth and nothing but the truth about that world.
they go hard on protecting that system.
even my friend whose in the army. i have asked her multiple times about rape in the army and she has never given me a straight answer; she always beats around the bush when i bring it up.
something aint right.
always telling me that the army is great one minute and then the next telling me how much she hates it but can never just come out and tell me why she hates it.
i feel for a lot of people who sign up base on misinformation.
and i know recruiters lie too.
idk why people in here caught feelings on this topic because it didnt have to go there. people just want information. and while i appreciate some of yall sharing "some" of that information, getting offended quickly aint helping your case.
please don't act like rape and sweeping it under the rug is not a problem in the military.
and thanks for your service.



Yeah I think this thread became an advertisement for the military for a few pages. Confused LOL


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Posted By: Limalady
Date Posted: Nov 06 2012 at 2:46pm
Well I was in the army, and I will tell you straight up that people were raped and the military covered it up. I was in the army. At my base in New Jersey within an 8 month placement, there were 3 reported rapes. All of those women left the military. The men stayed and were not punished. I saw one rape trial, and the guy was acquitted. The smart women did not report their assault. Why jeopardize your career and your good name? I knew women that were assaulted, and chose not to speak. I can't blame them. They dragged the women who reported it through the mud. Called them sluts, whores, stopped speaking to them, isolated them, etc. The military condones it. Flat out. That is how I feel. If anyone has a problem with that, I'm sorry. That is based on my experience.


Posted By: Tbaby
Date Posted: Nov 06 2012 at 2:50pm
Originally posted by Ladybird0724 Ladybird0724 wrote:



my intention was to say that is what some think when they are promoted...

sorry if you took it any other way...


Okay cool.  I'm glad you cleared that up.

Originally posted by Limalady Limalady wrote:

Yeah, I don't think anyone in this thread understands this issue. Also TBaby, the suggestion that women falsify rape claims just serves to silence rape victims. There is no incentive to lie, and the military sure isn't paying rape victims. The system will continue as it is, with a less than 5% conviction rate in rape cases. Men in the military are given a free pass to rape women.


I never said women falsify rape claims.  Please don't pin that on me.  You have me confused with someone else.  I only said that the military isn't perfect, and that rapes aren't systematically ignored.  And men are not given a free pass to rape women either.

Isn't the conviction rate for society in general low?    I don't know the exact stats, but I do know that alot of alleged rapists run the streets free due to lack of evidence, or women afraid to press charges, or any other reasons that prevent lock up of these predators. What makes you think that the military convictions would be better/higher then society at large?

Bottomline is that rape is prevalent because men rule the world.  Doesn't matter if you look at the US, Europe, the middle East...where ever you go, women in general are viewed as weaker and to be dominated. 


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Posted By: starflower7
Date Posted: Nov 06 2012 at 2:51pm
Originally posted by Limalady Limalady wrote:

Well I was in the army, and I will tell you straight up that people were raped and the military covered it up. I was in the army. At my base in New Jersey within an 8 month placement, there were 3 reported rapes. All of those women left the military. The men stayed and were not punished. I saw one rape trial, and the guy was acquitted. The smart women did not report their assault. Why jeopardize your career and your good name? I knew women that were assaulted, and chose not to speak. I can't blame them. They dragged the women who reported it through the mud. Called them sluts, whores, stopped speaking to them, isolated them, etc. The military condones it. Flat out. That is how I feel. If anyone has a problem with that, I'm sorry. That is based on my experience.

Why do you think they cover it up? Do you think they feel that providing sex is an implied part of the women's duties?


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Posted By: Limalady
Date Posted: Nov 06 2012 at 2:51pm
The "independent" investigator usually conducts an investigation, interviews people, and 90% of the time makes a determination that they can only confirm violent sexual-intercourse, but not rape. They take the clothes from the victim from the night of the event, and then months or years later after the investigation has been concluded, they mail the clothes back to the victim. Because every woman wants the clothes back that she wore on the night of her rape. The men that rape get promoted and rewarded. The women that get raped get kicked out.


Posted By: starflower7
Date Posted: Nov 06 2012 at 2:53pm
Originally posted by Tbaby Tbaby wrote:

 

Isn't the conviction rate for society in general low?    I don't know the exact stats, but I do know that alot of alleged rapists run the streets free due to lack of evidence, or women afraid to press charges, or any other reasons that prevent lock up of these predators. What makes you think that the military numbers would be better/higher then society at large?

Bottomline is that rape is prevalent because men rule the world.  Doesn't matter if you look at the US, Europe, the middle East...where ever you go, women in general are viewed as weaker and to be dominated. 

The military has an internal justice system though. They don't really have to answer to anyone. They can decide whether or not to prosecute and who to prosecute and that's that. Some people think that's shady.



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Posted By: PurplePhase
Date Posted: Nov 06 2012 at 2:53pm
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Posted By: starflower7
Date Posted: Nov 06 2012 at 2:55pm
Originally posted by PurpleHaze PurpleHaze wrote:

damn

Do share. Smile


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Posted By: freedom76
Date Posted: Nov 06 2012 at 2:56pm
It is true that UCMJ (United Code of Military Justice) is the law for military personnel. 

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Posted By: Tbaby
Date Posted: Nov 06 2012 at 3:07pm
Originally posted by starflower7 starflower7 wrote:

Originally posted by Tbaby Tbaby wrote:

 

Isn't the conviction rate for society in general low?    I don't know the exact stats, but I do know that alot of alleged rapists run the streets free due to lack of evidence, or women afraid to press charges, or any other reasons that prevent lock up of these predators. What makes you think that the military numbers would be better/higher then society at large?

Bottomline is that rape is prevalent because men rule the world.  Doesn't matter if you look at the US, Europe, the middle East...where ever you go, women in general are viewed as weaker and to be dominated. 

The military has an internal justice system though. They don't really have to answer to anyone. They can decide whether or not to prosecute and who to prosecute and that's that. Some people think that's shady.



UCMJ as Freedom said is an internal justice system.  We also have specific articles (laws) that govern conduct and criminal activity.  I'm not going to  detail all that's involved either.  If people think its shady then they can take it up with their congressman.


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