Phytoestrogen Synergy:10 Perfect Combos for Curves

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So lately alot of ladies have been asking questions about herbs and what combos to use. So I thought I'd post this to help the ladies out! I got this from BreastNexxus and it's authored by gogirlanime and mochaccion the info provided is very helpful and useful to anyone on a journey for curves. Also at the bottom I list 10 perfect combo for curves that will help you achieve your goal body.

RE: How does phytoestrogen synergy work? - gogirlanime - 14-07-2011 06:25 PM 

Every herb with strong phytoestrogens contain different types of phytoestrogens. Basically you have to figure out what works for you. By reading this you can see that Pueraria Mirifica has the same phytoestrogens and soy plus more. So if PM didn't work for you in breast enhancement then Soy extracts won't either. Then you could try Red Clover instead because it contains pratensein and irilone which PM do not have. Each persons body is different and you have to give each strong phytoestrogen a chance before saying it doesn't work for you, if it doesn't, move on to another to see if it works

Pueraria Mirifica
The main phytoestrogen in PM is "miroestrol" which is a estrogenic phenol. The others are deoxymiroestrol, daidzein, genistin, genistein, B-Sitosterol, stigmasterol, coumestrol, pueraria, campesterol. PM is supposedly 100 times stronger than Red Clover and 3,000 times stronger than Soy

Red Clover
Red clover contains irilone and pratensein phytoestrogens Red clover is supposedly 30 times stronger than Soy

Soy Isoflavones
Soybeans or the soy Isoflavones in Soybeans is genistein and daidzein.

The Saw Palmetto, Fenugreek, and Wild Yam "super 3" are taken to help your body use the phytoestrogens of PM RC or Soy (or if you chose another phytoestrogenic herb) Saw Palmetto is taken to block androgens and testosterones from interfering with the phytoestrognes you are taking so that the phytoestrognes can work better without the opposite testosterone in the way. Fenugreek helps the liver process hormones better and utilize and use them better. Wild Yam provides your body with progesterone so that your body doesn't become estrogen dominant when taking strong phytoestrogens

Does that answer your question and please let me know if I am wrong on something I am still learning, but I am QUITE sure this is correct. 

RE: How does phytoestrogen synergy work? - mochaccino - 15-07-2011 07:41 AM 

Gogirlanime, nice research! PM is definitely one of the key sources of phytoestrogens recommended around here, but RC and soy are not. They are usually just minor add-ons to an existing plan. RC in particular is not recommended by Wahaika, but I'm not sure of his exact reasons. 

The fenugreek, in th FG-SP-WY combo, is meant to be the main source of phytoestrogens, not to help the body use other phytoestrogens (but you can still take others).

Saw palmetto always works by preventing the conversion of testosterone into DHT, but it has different effects in men and women. In men it's taken to prevent DHT from interfering with feminization. In women it's also taken to block DHT, but the reasons for doing so are more complicated. All the estrogen in the body is produced using aromatase and testosterone. This means that testosterone that is not converted into DHT, tends to be converted into estrogen in females, as long they produce enough aromatase to do so. A diet high in animal protein, as well as the supplements EPO and borage oil, are used to increase aromatase. 

WY increases the body's production of estrogens in general, and estradiol in particular. As far as I know, the way in which it does this is unknown. Many people used to think that WY is progesteronic, but the current consensus is that it is not, even if many irresponsible companies still market it that way.

The big three combo comes from Wahaika's recommended plan, which was based on Pammy's plan, which was in turn based on the original Greenbush plan. Here's a link to the plan he recommends: http://nbelab.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=nbeprograms&action=display&thread=79 (It's the second post)

And here's a link to the theory section of his site: http://nbelab.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=nbetheory
You should start with the post "basic theory". I didn't really understand BE until I read it. 

RE: How does phytoestrogen synergy work? - gogirlanime - 17-07-2011 04:56 AM 

(15-07-2011 07:41 AM)mochaccino Wrote:  Gogirlanime, nice research! PM is definitely one of the key sources of phytoestrogens recommended around here, but RC and soy are not. They are usually just minor add-ons to an existing plan. RC in particular is not recommended by Wahaika, but I'm not sure of his exact reasons. 

The fenugreek, in th FG-SP-WY combo, is meant to be the main source of phytoestrogens, not to help the body use other phytoestrogens (but you can still take others).

Saw palmetto always works by preventing the conversion of testosterone into DHT, but it has different effects in men and women. In men it's taken to prevent DHT from interfering with feminization. In women it's also taken to block DHT, but the reasons for doing so are more complicated. All the estrogen in the body is produced using aromatase and testosterone. This means that testosterone that is not converted into DHT, tends to be converted into estrogen in females, as long they produce enough aromatase to do so. A diet high in animal protein, as well as the supplements EPO and borage oil, are used to increase aromatase. 

WY increases the body's production of estrogens in general, and estradiol in particular. As far as I know, the way in which it does this is unknown. Many people used to think that WY is progesteronic, but the current consensus is that it is not, even if many irresponsible companies still market it that way.

The big three combo comes from Wahaika's recommended plan, which was based on Pammy's plan, which was in turn based on the original Greenbush plan. Here's a link to the plan he recommends: http://nbelab.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=nbeprograms&action=display&thread=79 (It's the second post)

And here's a link to the theory section of his site: http://nbelab.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=nbetheory
You should start with the post "basic theory". I didn't really understand BE until I read it.

oh wow! Thank you for correcting me on my errors, this was quite interesting  at least I was right about what type of phytoestrogens are in each herb haha 

Say, I want to start using Pueraria Mirifica as my phytoestrogen/estrogen provider. But you say that Wild Yam and Fenugreek are the suppliers of that in the FG-SP-WY combo, so would that mean that I would want to take just PM and SP together or PM, SP, and WY?

From what I have learned about myself, I have excess androgens so I know SP is a must for me and then of course I need the "building" phytoestrogen and I'm choosing PM, but does that mean I still need the WY? Or if you don't know the answer to that, could you please guide me to a link that will. Thank you for your help  

RE: How does phytoestrogen synergy work? - mochaccino - 17-07-2011 06:01 AM 

As far as I can tell, every one who knows anything about PM on this site says that you should not mix it with weaker phytoestrogens, especially wild yam. PM is just much more effective on it's own for some reason. I've tried hard to find a clear explanation exactly why this is the case, but I'm still not quite sure. I should point out that there are a few people on here who combine the two, but they never actually take them at the same time. They cycle between them according to their menstrual cycle. Ginie's been doing it for a while now, because she's copying Chiyomilk's routine. 

Emily ♥ Loretta's 

PERFECT COMBOS:

#1 - Pueraria Mirifica (Phytoestrogen)
        Saw Palmetto (Anti-Androgen)
        Evening Primrose Oil/Borage Oil (Aromatase)

        Add On(s) VERY IMPORTANT
        For Blood Circulation (choose one): 

        1: Gingko Biloba 2: Cayenne Fruit 3: L-Arginine

        For Hormonal Stabilization commonly referred to as Adaptogens (choose one):

        1: Maca 2: Ginseng 3: Rhodiola

 #2 - Aguaje (Phytoestrogen)
        Saw Palmetto (Anti-Androgen)
        Evening Primrose Oil/Borage Oil (Aromatase)

        Add On(s) VERY IMPORTANT
        For Blood Circulation (choose one): 

        1: Gingko Biloba 2: Cayenne Fruit 3: L-Arginine

        For Hormonal Stabilization commonly referred to as Adaptogens (choose one):

        1: Maca 2: Ginseng 3: Rhodiola

#3 - Fenugreek (Phytoestrogen)
        Saw Palmetto (Anti-Androgen)
        Evening Primrose Oil/Borage Oil (Aromatase)

        Add On(s) VERY IMPORTANT
        For Blood Circulation (choose one): 

        1: Gingko Biloba 2: Cayenne Fruit 3: L-Arginine

        For Hormonal Stabilization commonly referred to as Adaptogens (choose one):

        1: Maca 2: Ginseng 3: Rhodiola

#4 - Flaxseed (Phytoestrogen)
        Saw Palmetto (Anti-Androgen)
        Evening Primrose Oil/Borage Oil (Aromatase)

        Add On(s) VERY IMPORTANT
        For Blood Circulation (choose one): 

        1: Gingko Biloba 2: Cayenne Fruit 3: L-Arginine

        For Hormonal Stabilization commonly referred to as Adaptogens (choose one):

        1: Maca 2: Ginseng 3: Rhodiola

#5 - Soy Isoflavones (Phytoestrogen)
        Saw Palmetto (Anti-Androgen)
        Evening Primrose Oil/Borage Oil (Aromatase)

        Add On(s) VERY IMPORTANT
        For Blood Circulation (choose one): 

        1: Gingko Biloba 2: Cayenne Fruit 3: L-Arginine

        For Hormonal Stabilization commonly referred to as Adaptogens (choose one):

        1: Maca 2: Ginseng 3: Rhodiola

#6 - Dandelion Root AND Red Clover (Phytoestrogen)
        Saw Palmetto (Anti-Androgen)
        Evening Primrose Oil/Borage Oil (Aromatase)

        Add On(s) VERY IMPORTANT
        For Blood Circulation (choose one): 

        1: Gingko Biloba 2: Cayenne Fruit 3: L-Arginine

        For Hormonal Stabilization commonly referred to as Adaptogens (choose one):

        1: Maca 2: Ginseng 3: Rhodiola

#7 - Black Cohosh AND Dong Quai (Phytoestrogen)
        Saw Palmetto (Anti-Androgen)
        Evening Primrose Oil/Borage Oil (Aromatase)

        Add On(s) VERY IMPORTANT
        For Blood Circulation (choose one): 

        1: Gingko Biloba 2: Cayenne Fruit 3: L-Arginine

        For Hormonal Stabilization commonly referred to as Adaptogens (choose one):

        1: Maca 2: Ginseng 3: Rhodiola

#8 - Mexican Wild Yam AND Dong Quai (Phytoestrogen)
        Saw Palmetto (Anti-Androgen)
        Evening Primrose Oil/Borage Oil (Aromatase)

        Add On(s) VERY IMPORTANT
        For Blood Circulation (choose one): 

        1: Gingko Biloba 2: Cayenne Fruit 3: L-Arginine

        For Hormonal Stabilization commonly referred to as Adaptogens (choose one):

        1: Maca 2: Ginseng 3: Rhodiola

#9 - Fenugreek AND Fennel (Phytoestrogen)
        Saw Palmetto (Anti-Androgen)
        Evening Primrose Oil/Borage Oil (Aromatase)

        Add On(s) VERY IMPORTANT
        For Blood Circulation (choose one): 

        1: Gingko Biloba 2: Cayenne Fruit 3: L-Arginine

        For Hormonal Stabilization commonly referred to as Adaptogens (choose one):

        1: Maca 2: Ginseng 3: Rhodiola

#10 - Blessed Thristle AND Dong Quai and Fenugreek (Phytoestrogen)
         Saw Palmetto (Anti-Androgen)
         Evening Primrose Oil/Borage Oil (Aromatase)

         Add On(s) VERY IMPORTANT
         For Blood Circulation (choose one): 

         1: Gingko Biloba 2: Cayenne Fruit 3: L-Arginine

         For Hormonal Stabilization commonly referred to as Adaptogens (choose one):

         1: Maca 2: Ginseng 3: Rhodiola

Ok so there are the Perfect Combos For Curves! Also I'd like to take this time to say a few things; Pueraria Mirifica is the strongest phytoestrogen known as of now, however due to it's chemical makeup might not work for some as well as others, if PM doesn't work then Aguaje and the rest of the combos OTHER then Soy might work.

And also I see alot of people asking about a SP and Maca combo which WILL work because Maca is stabilizing your hormones in order for Saw Palmetto to suppress the androgen and then for your body to naturally produce it's own aromatase and convert it into estrogen for increased curves. 

This process will take longer then using phytoestrogen but you will see results...eventually. Also NO these herbs do not cancel each other out!! I've seen quite a few ladies ask that as well. Maca is the foundation, Saw Palmetto is the building blocks, estrogen is the roof and they all work together to get you a nice house or curves in this case.

Lastly in any combo you choose, make sure you have one Blood Circulation Add On and one Hormonal Stabilization Add On, they really make the difference! 

Beginning next year I'll be using Combo #2 and IF and this a VEEEEEEEEEEEEERY big IF your body perfectly balances hormones like mine THEN you MAY not have to use the hormonal stabilizers however I highly recommend you do!! I'll be using Maca to help my body better balance my hormones. 

Next, the use of creams...YES they do work!! I personally use a mix of Booty Stacked Cream and Norweign Cod Liver Oil and have had very good results, I hear MoButtaCream works well too. Now the use of supplements and creams will get you what I like to call a 'Beginner's Butt'. A Beginner's Butt is just to say you aren't flat, if you want a booty instead of a butt you WILL have to exercise. No way around it, sorry. 

Exercise + Supplements + Creams = A Nice, Big, Tight and Firm Booty

The top 5 best butt exercise are,

1: Squats
2: Donkey Kicks
3: Step Ups
4: Butt Bridges/ Hip Thrusts
5: Flutter Kicks 

And just squeezing your butt 30 seconds 10 times a day in addition to exercising helps to. 

Well I hoped this answered your questions!! Happy Growing Ladies!

Edited by Emily Loretta - Dec 14 2011 at 3:38pm