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pharrell has always postured himself next to ambiguous looking people way before he started standing next to black people

donno why this thread reminds me of this

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Originally posted by OoDles O OoDles O wrote:

Originally posted by f8dagrate f8dagrate wrote:

Originally posted by OoDles O OoDles O wrote:

Ahhhh I see
"racially ambiguous to some degree" is the issue here.

She doesn't look racially ambiguous to me.. (even with the blond hair).
And nice Tea CC.. you always come through.



Are you one of those "color blind" people Oodles?
Not insinuating anything just asking.


in short, no..im not
not as a means to be naive, ignore, distort, and exploit.
as it relates to our history..our complicated history with white people..

my views on the creative process are pretty objective though.
imo that process is in another realm thats abstruse. 
(I only expect creatives to understands)

lastly.. i tend to have an open handed approach to (most) things.
I'm not the venom spewing type.



By stating that you're not the 'venom spewing type', you're implying that everyone that has noticed this image he chose is not being objective and simply being 'bitter', though. So you are 'objective' on the creative process but people who notice lack of diversity are not? Again, it sounds dismissive.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (8) Thanks(8)   Quote ms_wonderland Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Mar 01 2014 at 12:36pm
it's not hard to see where someone's coming from when they use their creative control and freedoms to exclude a group that's always excluded.  how can you ever be a black man looking to make a statement on the beauty of women and not want to make a statement on the beauty of black skin.  it's bizarre as hell to me.  just like someone said earlier, if the album was about some bullsh*t, black women would be on the cover...look at R Kelly's album cover for an example of that.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote OoDles O Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Mar 01 2014 at 12:39pm
Originally posted by JoliePoufiasse JoliePoufiasse wrote:

 
By stating that you're not the 'venom spewing type', you're implying that everyone that has noticed this image he chose is not being objective and simply being 'bitter', though. So you are 'objective' on the creative process but people who notice lack of diversity are not? Again, it sounds dismissive.


Im not "implying" anything about my fellow BHM members
but your assuming everything about my post ... lol
Not sure how you gathered such a premise.



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Originally posted by afrokock afrokock wrote:

pharrell has always postured himself next to ambiguous looking people way before he started standing next to black people

donno why this thread reminds me of this



all this shows is that Pharell has always had this colour issue, except when he's called out on it, nothing more. Ain't got shyt to do with the 'creative process'.
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Originally posted by OoDles O OoDles O wrote:

Originally posted by JoliePoufiasse JoliePoufiasse wrote:

 
<span style="line-height: 1.4;">By stating that you're not the 'venom spewing type', </span><b style="line-height: 1.4;">you're implying that everyone that has noticed this image he chose is not being objective and simply being 'bitter', though.<span style="line-height: 1.4;"> So you are 'objective' on the creative process but people who notice lack of diversity are not? Again, it sounds dismissive.
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Im not "implying" anything about my fellow BHM members
but your assuming everything about my post ... lol
Not sure how you gathered such a premise.






LOL, the escape and deflection replies are real out here. You are implying and not with much subtlety at that, it ain't even as vague as you think. It's not that hard to speak plainly.
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Haha ok.
Good stuff.

Also, my remarks regarding the creative process and it being an abstruse lane
was speaking more about my feelings in the other thread "Black Identity".
Like.. you can be all for the struggle, Support, mentor, ect.. but creativity is personal...
its not always about other peoples definition.. its how you chose to define yourself.

Im convinced you can do both.


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tryna find the d/l link
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Originally posted by Alias_Avi Alias_Avi wrote:

OoDles O,

What exactly is it that you have a problem with? In terms of my criticism?

Is he not perpetuating colorism?

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He is a Black man... he made it a point to be surrounded by women who are not his complexion... on an album, titled G I R L, paying homage to women. He literally excluded women who mirror his image on his album in favor for 3 that don't Stern Smile


ok Oodles, this has nothing to do with colorism. Nothing at all





Ha-ha! Killing it again Alias. I'm actually a fan of his, but that doesn't make you any less right!

This all too common parlance of "let's include everybody" often ends with black folk being totally discounted or pitifully marginalized.
That this comes from a black man, who says that he understands our plight, makes it even worse. It's yet another way to yield to yt folk; their standard of beauty, their power structure, their everything.

Ok, so there is a sister on his cover. But who would have guessed?

If I could speak to Pharrell, I'd say "C'mon Pharrell. I loved your Frontin video. The young lady in the baseball cap was a vision. Just lovely. Why not another one like her on your album cover? Why not three like her? Why not? Be honest and tell us why you really chose a certain look to the exclusion of all others?"

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Originally posted by BBpants BBpants wrote:

The girl in the back has to be black. I can tell by her edges lol
 
 
That's what I thought at first but Pharrell indicated is the one in the red lipstick.  I mean....who knew?  *shrugs*
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