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Originally posted by liesnalibis liesnalibis wrote:

Oh yes I do mean chickens are coming home to roost but I don't know how Malcom or King used either phrase. I'm not saying anyone deserves it but I'm saying the values we encourage could only have this result.
 
but that is exactly how each of them used those terms...so yeah...no.
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Originally posted by liesnalibis liesnalibis wrote:

I don't know how Malcom or King used either phrase.
 
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Originally posted by ThoughtCouture ThoughtCouture wrote:

Originally posted by liesnalibis liesnalibis wrote:

Oh yes I do mean chickens are coming home to roost but I don't know how Malcom or King used either phrase. I'm not saying anyone deserves it but I'm saying the values we encourage could only have this result.

 
but that is exactly how each of them used those terms...so yeah...no.



Did they invent those terms? I didn't quote them.
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Originally posted by liesnalibis liesnalibis wrote:

Originally posted by ThoughtCouture ThoughtCouture wrote:

Originally posted by liesnalibis liesnalibis wrote:

Oh yes I do mean chickens are coming home to roost but I don't know how Malcom or King used either phrase. I'm not saying anyone deserves it but I'm saying the values we encourage could only have this result.

 
but that is exactly how each of them used those terms...so yeah...no.



Did they invent those terms? I didn't quote them.
 
no.  and anyway, king didn't really use it that way.  i guess because in my mind both of those terms are so entrenched in struggle and hate of a certain era.  both always evoke emotion for me.  but as long as you are not suggesting black people deserve anything...ok.
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Originally posted by joileprincess joileprincess wrote:

Originally posted by NJHairLuv NJHairLuv wrote:

Originally posted by rohan rohan wrote:


Maysay, sadly enough I see where you're coming from.  At the end of the day, I don't see why there is any surprise about black folks and HIV.    It's not like we're out here making GREAT lifestyle choices in every other areas of our lives, and now we just happen to make poor choices when it comes to sex.  Truth is, black folks are at the bottom of the list in almost every marker associated with lifestyle choice.  It just happens to be an HIV conversation today.  We could have a conversion tomorrow on Type II diabetes, and Bam, we're at the bottom of the list again.  Next day, Obesity. Same thing.  Next day, unwanted pregnancies. Same thing. Next day, financial health, and on and on and on.  Yes, there are socio-economic factors that can't be discounted, but it's not like most black folks are out here making great choices in most areas of their lives.  It is what it is.

Rohan, I totally agree. That is why I really avoid having discussions about these topics b/c the tend to not reach the people that need the info the most. They turn to debates about what is right vs what is reality (not here in this thread tho). Then when you factor the people that will argue you down against just because it is not occurring in their specific family or their specific neightborhood....it just is another roadblock against getting access to information and care to the people that want and need it.

I'd rather just continue to work on the front line and talk about the challenges and possible solutions with the people that are out there in dire need of help & information to prevent these issues.

I have to agree as well. As someone who works on the ground level of one of the poorest communities in Chicago I have to agree. My friends, family and I  used to have conversations about this very thing and each time we would be scratching our heads. Everyone knows about HIV/AIDS, STD's ,etc, right? Knowing about and taking hold of your health are 2 different things. And there are several factors at play including poverty, access to resources, the stigma associated with the resources and the diseases, education, hopelessness, blind trust, fear, etc. Things are not equal everywhere. 

I can speak from my experience in the ER. It never fails that around 2 am on a random day I would get a few young ladies who tell the triage nurse that they are there for abdominal or back pain. You get them to the back and they reveal that they also have cramping or vaginal discharge. We do a pelvic and offer them the antibiotic cocktail affectionately called the "party pack." When I would also offer HIV testing they would either quietly decline or get highly offended. Some clinicians wouldn't even offer it because they know that they may get cussed out. Its a shame because the same act that potentially exposed them to STD's also expose them to HIV. And having an STD puts you at higher risk for HIV infection.

Its also interesting to note that there are other times when young couples come together and only the girl is getting tested. I always offer for the partner but they shy away and in some cases also get angry. They are not willing to acknowledge that her having it means that they likely have it as well. Then there are the cases of the guys getting treated on the low and then pretending that the "dirty thot" got it from someone else. Boils my blood every time. This is also why I will not blame this epidemic on DL men. There are enough straight people who make poor sexual health decisions to negate that. 

And Rohan, I can also agree that this hopeless mindset also expands to other areas of healthcare and diagnoses especially in regards to hypertension, renal disease, and diabetes. 

What is the bolded indicative of? 
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Originally posted by PurplePhase PurplePhase wrote:

that lady said fear is a reason that so many Af-american women are contracting it. I remember that 'down low book guy' said that too. He said that women are so happy to have a man in their bed they are afraid to bring up, let alone insist on condoms. I didn't believe him.

i wont pretend to know what goes on in other people's relationships, but i wouldnt be surprised about that.

i've been on dates with guys and have had to repeatedly, sternly insist that we use condoms. many guys are intent on going in you raw. idk is it because they just dont care or if they are in the moment and sex feels better raw.  but i know from my experiences, i have never had unprotected sex but that's because i was the one who stood my ground.  so i can picture a woman who is maybe meeker, passive, or really scared of losing that nicca just going with the flow and not making him wear one.

look at all the women around who have children. if they are having kids then they could be potentially contracting disease too. its scary to think about
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Symptoms of PID - Pelvic inflammatory disorder, frequently an indication of 'women problems' and also can be an indication of an STD.


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maybe I am misunderstanding some of the posters but it sound's like there is a pretty low opinion of Black people in general
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Originally posted by NJHairLuv NJHairLuv wrote:

Symptoms of PID - Pelvic inflammatory disorder, frequently an indication of 'women problems' and also can be an indication of an STD.

Cool. Got tested for everything because of those symptoms and came back negative. I think I know what caused it now, though.
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Originally posted by naturesgift naturesgift wrote:

maybe I am misunderstanding some of the posters but it sound's like there is a pretty low opinion of Black people in general


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