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Originally posted by naturesgift naturesgift wrote:

Minny are you saying that MANY GAY men are sleeping with women too because there are not enough women to go around?

I know gay, down low, and straight men who sleep with women, but what I was trying to say is that there arent enough MEN  in the black community to go around, not women.
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Originally posted by NJHairLuv NJHairLuv wrote:

Originally posted by rohan rohan wrote:


Maysay, sadly enough I see where you're coming from.  At the end of the day, I don't see why there is any surprise about black folks and HIV.    It's not like we're out here making GREAT lifestyle choices in every other areas of our lives, and now we just happen to make poor choices when it comes to sex.  Truth is, black folks are at the bottom of the list in almost every marker associated with lifestyle choice.  It just happens to be an HIV conversation today.  We could have a conversion tomorrow on Type II diabetes, and Bam, we're at the bottom of the list again.  Next day, Obesity. Same thing.  Next day, unwanted pregnancies. Same thing. Next day, financial health, and on and on and on.  Yes, there are socio-economic factors that can't be discounted, but it's not like most black folks are out here making great choices in most areas of their lives.  It is what it is.

Rohan, I totally agree. That is why I really avoid having discussions about these topics b/c the tend to not reach the people that need the info the most. They turn to debates about what is right vs what is reality (not here in this thread tho). Then when you factor the people that will argue you down against just because it is not occurring in their specific family or their specific neightborhood....it just is another roadblock against getting access to information and care to the people that want and need it.

I'd rather just continue to work on the front line and talk about the challenges and possible solutions with the people that are out there in dire need of help & information to prevent these issues.

I have to agree as well. As someone who works on the ground level of one of the poorest communities in Chicago I have to agree. My friends, family and I  used to have conversations about this very thing and each time we would be scratching our heads. Everyone knows about HIV/AIDS, STD's ,etc, right? Knowing about and taking hold of your health are 2 different things. And there are several factors at play including poverty, access to resources, the stigma associated with the resources and the diseases, education, hopelessness, blind trust, fear, etc. Things are not equal everywhere. 

I can speak from my experience in the ER. It never fails that around 2 am on a random day I would get a few young ladies who tell the triage nurse that they are there for abdominal or back pain. You get them to the back and they reveal that they also have cramping or vaginal discharge. We do a pelvic and offer them the antibiotic cocktail affectionately called the "party pack." When I would also offer HIV testing they would either quietly decline or get highly offended. Some clinicians wouldn't even offer it because they know that they may get cussed out. Its a shame because the same act that potentially exposed them to STD's also expose them to HIV. And having an STD puts you at higher risk for HIV infection.

Its also interesting to note that there are other times when young couples come together and only the girl is getting tested. I always offer for the partner but they shy away and in some cases also get angry. They are not willing to acknowledge that her having it means that they likely have it as well. Then there are the cases of the guys getting treated on the low and then pretending that the "dirty thot" got it from someone else. Boils my blood every time. This is also why I will not blame this epidemic on DL men. There are enough straight people who make poor sexual health decisions to negate that. 

And Rohan, I can also agree that this hopeless mindset also expands to other areas of healthcare and diagnoses especially in regards to hypertension, renal disease, and diabetes. 
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Originally posted by afrokock afrokock wrote:

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Social and health issues are complex with complex solutions.  LOL
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Originally posted by MinnyMiss16 MinnyMiss16 wrote:

Originally posted by naturesgift naturesgift wrote:

Minny are you saying that MANY GAY men are sleeping with women too because there are not enough women to go around?

I know gay, down low, and straight men who sleep with women, but what I was trying to say is that there arent enough MEN  in the black community to go around, not women.

MinnyMiss16, there was a documentary or article a few years back about the teens & young women in Anacostia, DC that have been exposed to HIV and it was exactly the scenario that you pointed out. Young men in that region tend to be oppressed, have low education and low opportunities and are socialized by their peers to be as promiscuous as possible and have the goal to smash every woman that looks in their direction. The girls/young women, all tend to date men from the region and since bisexual black men are the most loathed people in the black community, bisexual men are not communicating that they have routinely practiced high risk behavior with other men (in the community, in jail, etc) and they have unprotected sex with the women of that region. The Cycle begins, continues and has not ended. Factor in that it is very socially acceptable to have unprotected sex (as seen with the high # of teen pregnancies in Anacostia), it is very hard to stop the cycle.
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No surprise when black women also have the highest unwed childbirth rate and the highest abortion rate and people think it's cute and encourage it. All of these problems keep the others going. It's hard to plug up a sinking boat when people are constantly deliberately punching more holes in it.
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You reap what you sow.
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i think what ricky is suggesting is many of the same things can be said for  poor communities that are not black.   if you transport yourself to backwoods trailer park hickville va i am sure many of these same issues are prevalent.  not saying it doesn't exist in the black community but it is not a black issue, imo.

like i said earlier, in my older age i have come to realize that it will require multi-faceted view points to thoroughly address "our issues".  so i am actually ok with some buying into the neg stereotypes which i believe are largely media/propaganda driven...
 
and as far as reaping what you sow...that is a totally different sentiment entirely as far as i am concerned....


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Reaping what you sow means you can only get out of something as much as you put into it. You can't sow one thing and expect to reap something completely different.



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Im going to call my friend this weekend that used to work in the hospital doing HIV testing/counseling/referrals. She now works for the town health department and I want to know if she has the stats for people under the age of 25 with HIV. In one of our discussions when she worked at the hospital, she mentioned that the stats for teens & young adults under the age of 25 were absolutely mind boggling when compared to older age brackets.

We both agreed that it may be because our generation was able to remember when the AIDS epidemic began, we remember the news stories and the hysteria across the country. We remember groups of people being stigmatized as likely to have AIDS and we were watching the news in shock at the people that looked like zombies that were afflicted by the virus. We watched the news when Easy-E died of AIDS and we watched the news conference when Magic Johnson revealed that he was retiring from the Lakers because of HIV. We know or know of people that have it or have died from it. We saw the mass deaths in the gay community from it. We were educated by the public awareness campaigns that were set forth to fight the spread of HIV.

It is real to us. But sadly, the youth that are suffering from it right now do not have that point of reference because the USA AIDS Crisis is not a priority and is not a headline. Their point of reference is that if you get HIV, you get on the meds and go about your business. That is all that is being promoted on HIV Awareness campaigns right now - "You can live with HIV/HIV is no longer a death sentence"...I really hope that funding for HIV awareness will stop getting cut so that there will be more of a focus on the prevention of the spread of HIV than there is right now. The the youth are suffering. The youth are our future and the youth may not live to reach their full potential b/c so many of them have HIV, but that is America's dirty little secret.
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