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    Posted: Sep 03 2013 at 12:09pm

Case Against Rob Carmona, STRIVE East Harlem Founder, Questions Use Of N-Word Among Blacks

 

 

NEW YORK -- A federal jury has rejected the argument that use of the N-word among blacks can be a culturally acceptable term of love and endearment, deciding its use in the workplace is hostile and discriminatory no matter what.

Jurors last week awarded $250,000 in compensatory damages to a black employment agency worker who was the target of an N-word-laced rant by her black boss, and they return to a Manhattan federal court Tuesday to decide on punitive damages.

The case against Rob Carmona and the employment agency he founded, STRIVE East Harlem, gave legal airing to what some see as a complex double standard surrounding the word: It's a degrading slur when uttered by whites but can be used at times with impunity among blacks.

But 38-year-old Brandi Johnson told jurors that being black didn't make it any less hurtful to be the target of what her attorney called Carmona's "four-minute Brotha Man tirade" about inappropriate workplace attire and unprofessional behavior.

Johnson, who taped the March 2012 remarks after her complaints about his verbal abuse were disregarded, said she fled to the restroom and cried for 45 minutes.

"I was offended. I was hurt. I felt degraded. I felt disrespected. I was embarrassed," Johnson testified.

In closing arguments, Johnson's attorney Marjorie M. Sharpe said Carmona's use of the word was intended to offend "and any evidence that defendants put forth to the contrary is simply ridiculous."

"When you use the word Brotha Man to an African-American, no matter how many alternative definitions that you may try to substitute with the word Brotha Man, that is no different than calling a Hispanic by the worst possible word you can call a Hispanic, calling a homosexual male the worst possible word that you can call a homosexual male," Sharpe told jurors.

But defense lawyers said the 61-year-old Carmona, a black man of Puerto Rican descent, had a much different experience with the word. Raised by a single mother in a New York City public housing project, he became addicted to heroin in his teens and broke it with the help of drug counselors who employed tough love and tough language.

Carmona went on to earn a master's degree from Columbia University before co-founding STRIVE in the 1980s. Now, most of STRIVE's employees are black women, defense attorney Diane Krebs told jurors in her opening statement.

"And Mr. Carmona is himself black, as you yourselves can see," Krebs said.

In his testimony, Carmona defended his use of the word, saying he used it with Johnson to convey that she was "too emotional, wrapped up in her, at least the negative aspects of human nature."

Then he explained that the word has "multiple contexts" in the black and Latino communities, sometimes indicating anger, sometimes love.

Carmona said he might put his arm around a longtime friend in the company of another and say: "This is my Brotha Man for 30 years."

"That means my boy, I love him, or whatever," he said.

He was asked if he meant to indicate love when he called Johnson the word.

"Yes, I did," he responded.

The controversy is a blemish on STRIVE, which has been heralded for helping people with troubled backgrounds get into the workforce. Its employment model, which was described in a CBS' "60 Minutes" piece as "part boot camp, part group therapy," claims to have helped nearly 50,000 people find work since 1984.

Sharpe told jurors that STRIVE's tough-love program cannot excuse Carmona's behavior.

"Well, if calling a person a Brotha Man and subjecting them to a hostile work environment is part of STRIVE's tough love, then STRIVE needs to be reminded that this type of behavior is illegal and cannot be tolerated," she said.



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I wanna hear the audio.  Obviously how he used it on the recording wasn't oozing love and respect to her, which is why she won.Clap 




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I was gonna post this story too lol

and lmao @ "a black man of puerto rican descent".

I think my dad knows the owner of STRIVE, since he's within that "outreach program" circle.

Just goes to show you that having a degree from Columbia won't stop a nicca from acting like a niccaStern Smile
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^^It should never be used at work in any circumstance. It's not the place. Matter of fact, I don't think it should be used at all but that's another story for another day...

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote blaquefoxx Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Sep 03 2013 at 12:23pm
Originally posted by JoliePoufiasse JoliePoufiasse wrote:

^^It should never be used at work in any circumstance. It's not the place. Matter of fact, I don't think it should be used at all but that's another story for another day...



Agreed. You will be surprised how many people who work within these outreach programs have issues with professionalism, etiquette and communication. My dad (who is a complete demon btw) is trying to open up a program himself and teaches anger managementErmm


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Clap good for her

i have never in my life had a black man call me nigga and i would never confuse that for affection
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i agree with the ruling. how degrading.
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Originally posted by JoliePoufiasse JoliePoufiasse wrote:

^^It should never be used at work in any circumstance. It's not the place. 
Originally posted by noneyons noneyons wrote:

i agree with the ruling. how degrading.
agree with both of these.
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I agree
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I agree with the ruling. And the fact that this was used at a workplace destined this to not turn out well for the boss.

Black people reclaimed that word and created a slightly differing variation to remove its power but that doesn't mean it can't be used in its original and derogatory manner by black people.
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