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I saw this crazy ass vid talking about the possibilities of the North and South secretely aligning to form a greater resistance against the U.S.
At first, I dismissed it as a typical fear mongering vid back by white people's paranoia of losing this nation. Then I was like "hmmmmm" Geeklol
 
Doesnt't matter either way.
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If somebody gone light your ass up, they gonna do it without talking about it. If the U.S. goes down, please believe they will take everybody with them.
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What I've never understood was why the U.S doesn't flex their muscles with NK like they're doing with Iran and have done with other nations that threaten our security. 

I've always believed that NK is our biggest threat. I wonder if the u.s and the un just don't want to fluck with a country that has nothing to lose. 


Edited by noneyons - Jan 24 2013 at 12:43pm
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Originally posted by noneyons noneyons wrote:

@ Tokyo, North Korea is a part of the marxist-islamic alliance, helps Iran and Syria obtain nuclear weapons thus they consider Israel an enemy. This is fact.


It's not a fact at all. It's a reaching opinion. North Korea sells weapons to anyone who wants to buy them. North Korea does not care about what happens in the Middle East. Their main alliances are with China and Cuba. To a lesser extent, all other Comminist countries.

The only reason why they may have some interest in directly helping Syria and Iran obtain nuclear weapons is if they were to be guaranteed they would use them on North Korea's enemies when needed. North Korea has has nuclear capabilities for YEARS. If they were so gung ho about getting Iran and Syria armed to help tem destroy Israel, they would have done it long before now.

North Korea is crazy, but they aren't THAT crazy.

Not every country gives a crap about Israel as much as some would like to think.
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According to the Israel national news amongst other sources, I say different. 

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Articles/Article.aspx/11536#.UQGphR2Zl7U


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Originally posted by blaquefoxx blaquefoxx wrote:

<FONT size=3 face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif">I saw this crazy ass vid talking about the possibilities of the North and South secretely aligning to form a greater resistance against the U.S.
At first, I dismissed it as a typical fear mongering vid back by white people's paranoia of losing this nation. Then I was like "hmmmmm" Geeklol
 

Doesnt't matter either way.



That's just a fairy tale story created in someone's head who doesn't understand the situation between North and South Korea very well. South Korea does not want to align itself with North Korea under any circumstance. They don't want to reunite until North Korea can get its economic and political shyt together. South Koreans do NOT want to become communist and they do not want to be enemies with the United States.

Don't be sucked into the paranoia of other people.
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North Korea is not even near Israel, but it has directly participated in a war against it. North Korea’s anti-Israel actions have surpassed those of Iran, even though it is not anywhere near Israel. And it is not alone.

Prof. George Jochnowitz
The writer is professor emeritus of linguistics whose specialty is Jewish languages, in particular the dialects of the Jews of Italy and southern France. He taught for many years at the College of Staten Island, CUNY, and was an exchange professor at Hebei University in Baoding, China. His varied interests include politics, music, the Bible, and humanity itself - and his wife, two daughters and grandson.

On Sunday April 15 Korea’s ruling dynast, Kim Jong-un, gave a speech saying that his “first, second, and third” priorities were to strengthen his country’s military. His statement, and North Korea’s attempt to launch a long-range missile, are a threat to the world.

The country most threatened may well be Israel.

The Korean War ended in 1953. Since that time, North Korea has fought against only one country: Israel. In 1973, North Korea sent not only planes but pilots to Egypt to fight against Israel during the Yom Kippur War. (1) “Egypt’smilitary relationship with North Korea goes back to the early 70s, when Pyongyang sent an air battalion to Egypt as a sign of solidarity in its war with Israel.” (2)  North Korea had nothing to gain by entering this war.

North Korea has been allied with Iran ever since Ayatollah Khomeini took power. North Korea has always been a member of the Marxist-Islamic alliance, and so it has helped Iran to obtain nuclear materials. Khomeini’s Iran began to aid Syria, and so it was natural for North Korea to add Syria to its list of Islamist allies. Therefore, North Korea built a nuclear facility in Syria. This behavior was logically consistent with North Korea’s alliance with militant Islam, but consistency does not mean practicality, nor does it reflect self-interest.

Israel attacked this site, the al-Kibar nuclear facility, on September 6, 2007, and destroyed it. Israel naturally feared that Syria, like Iran, would be willing to take great risks and endure great damage in order to destroy Israel.

After all, Iran’s moderate ex-President Ali Akhbar Rafsanjani, in the annual Al-Quds (Jerusalem) sermon given on December 14, 2001, had said that if one day the world of Islam came to possess nuclear weapons, Israel could be destroyed. Rafsanjani said that the use of a nuclear bomb against Israel would leave nothing standing, but that retaliation, no matter how severe, would merely do damage to the world of Islam. (3)

Iran does not share a border with Israel, nor do its interests conflict with those of Israel. Nevertheless, President Ahmadinejad has called for Israel to be wiped off the map.


North Korea’s anti-Zionism and its disregard for the lives of its people are both symptoms of its irrationality.
North Korea is not even near Israel, but it has directly participated in a war against it—something that not even Iran has ever done.

North Korea’s anti-Israel actions have surpassed those of Iran. If North Korea is not being practical, it is not alone. The ferocious hostility of Venezuela’s Hugo Chavez towards Israel is another example of unmotivated hatred. Venezuela is even farther from Israel than North Korea is, and has no rational reason whatsoever to get involved in Iran’s (and North Korea’s) struggle against Israel.

Why should this be? Perhaps the best explanation was offered by Andrei S. Markovits: “A new European (and American) commonality for all lefts—a new litmus test of progressive politics—seems to have developed: anti-Americanism and anti-Zionism (though not anti-Semitism, at least not yet).”(4)

The words “not yet” sound less convincing today than when Markovits wrote, in 2005. The Left seems to be more anti-Semitic than before as well as more anti-Zionist.

But of course, there is certain logical connection between anti-Semitism and the fact that Israel is the most hated country on earth. Anti-Zionism is the child of anti-Semitism. In a world where everybody hates everybody else, anti-Semitism nevertheless stands out for its ferocity and its universality. Similarly, anti-Zionism is the most powerful political force on earth, despite the numerous disagreements and conflicts of interest that exist among nations and political movements everywhere.

An example of irrational anti-Semitism by Sarah Schulman recently appeared as an op-ed.(5) Schulman is a feminist and a gay-rights activist. Israel is a country where women are drafted into the armed forces, where Golda Meir became Prime Minister before any other woman in the world who was not related to a previous head of government did so, where openly homosexual men and women serve in the armed forces, and where there is a gay-rights parade every year not only in Tel Aviv but in Jerusalem. Shouldn’t a pro-gay, pro-woman writer also be pro-Israel?

Schulman says no: “In Israel, gay soldiers and the relative openness of Tel Aviv are incomplete indicators of human rights.” In other words, since Israel is not perfect, it should be opposed. Furthermore, she informs us that there are Palestinian gay-rights organizations.

Nevertheless, Palestinians flee the West Bank and seek political asylum in Israel. The existence of the organizations on the West Bank has not ended honor murders of gays. They certainly have not ended the executions of homosexuals in Iran and Saudi Arabia—an issue Schulman does not mention in her op-ed.

Schulman is like North Korea. Her opposition to Israel has no practical component.

The world has never known about North Korea’s planes and pilots fighting against Israel. Even Israel has forgotten. The world has already forgotten Schulman’s op-ed—her own little war.

We shouldn’t forget. North Korea is arming Iran with nuclear materials. Schulman is using her influence to try to undo the popularity and respect that Israel has begun to gain among homosexuals.

As threats go, these are minor, but they are part of an enormous alliance filled with threats.

The Marxist-Islamic alliance seems to make no sense. Marxists are atheists and Muslims are religious. What both doctrines have in common is a commitment to extremism. Marxist countries have always persecuted Muslims within their own borders (Chechnya is an example, among many), and Islamic countries have not tolerated Communist parties in their own lands.

On the international level, however, they are united against the forces they perceive as their enemies—freedom and Israel. As I have written, this union is held together by blind faith.(6)

Nowhere in the world is faith more blind than in North Korea. The entire population burst into tears when the previous monarch, Kim Jong-Il, died. A few of the people might have been acting, but if so, they were very good actors.

When Mao was alive, China had as much faith as North Korea does today, and so the Chinese people, or most of them, mourned when Chairman Mao died. The citizens of the USSR mourned when Stalin died. Indeed, there are people today, in Russia and elsewhere, who still love him.

Irrationality lives.

North Korea is 5,000 miles from Israel. Did North Korea fear that Israel would invade its territory?

Venezuela, which is almost 11,000 miles from Israel, is Iran’s greatest ally and is blindly opposed to Israel’s existence. Does Hugo Chavez fear that Israel will seize some territory from Venezuela?

It is safe to assume that neither of these countries fears anything from Israel. Instead, they believe that Israel is uniquely wicked and supremely powerful. They believe that no crime has ever been as great as the creation of a Jewish state in a part of the British Empire with an Arab majority. They believe that Jews are so powerful that they control the United States and have turned it into their puppet.

Iran is a mere 1,000 miles from Israel. Iran has good reason to fear Israel’s nuclear ability. But as we read above, Iran’s former President Rafsanjani said that an Israeli attack would only do damage to the world of Islam, whereas Israel could be wiped out. Rafsanjani is correct. The question is why did he want to wipe out Israel? Why does President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad say similar things today? Does he worry about the Palestinians?

Iran has never been a pro-Arab country. Iran and Iraq fought an amazingly bloody war from 1980 through 1988, a war that cost a million Iranian casualties. Before Ayatollah Khomeini came to power, Iran and Israel were friends. Persia and the Jewish people have had good relations way back, since the days of Queen Esther and King Ahasueros. Khomeini, however, led Iran into the world of blind faith.

And so today, Iran looks to North Korea for help. North Korea is happy to oblige, with whatever nuclear technology it has at its disposal.

When Ahmadinejad talks about wiping Israel off the map, his words have a genocidal echo. An attempt to destroy Israel means an attack on its population—Jews, Muslims, Russian Orthodox Christians, and Bahais. Can it be that a desire to commit genocide is among the motivations behind Ahmadinejad?

Genocide is irrational. North Korea did not attempt to exterminate its own citizens, but its economic policies led to repeated famines that were close to genocide.

Hitler’s need to erase Jewish genes from the face of the earth was absolutely irrational. Hitler knew he needed scientists. Once World War II had begun, he realized he needed atomic scientists. Such scientists were likely to be Jews, or—in the case of Enrico Fermi—married to a Jew and therefore Jewish under the Nuremberg Laws. Hitler didn’t care.

Hitler was a music lover and adored the music of Bruckner, Richard Strauss, and Wagner. He almost certainly would have loved Mahler’s music most of all. He didn’t care. Mahler had been born a Jew, even though he was a convert to Catholicism. Hitler banned his music.

When the Soviet Army began marching through Hungary, Hitler had a choice. He could use the railroads to supply his troops, or to evacuate them. Or he could try to rush as many Jews from Budapest to Auschwitz as he could before he lost Hungary. Hitler decided killing Jews was more important than saving German soldiers. He had his own faith—the belief that he had to exterminate Jews while he could.

North Korea is making an analogous choice. It is giving preference to its nuclear industry in order to aid Iran and threaten Israel instead of working to protect its citizens from starvation. North Korea is a Marxist country, and Marxist countries have famines. China had the worst famine in human history because of Mao’s insane policies.(7) Pol Pot caused about one-third of the population of Cambodia to starve to death.

North Korea’s anti-Zionism and its disregard for the lives of its people are both symptoms of its irrationality.

Is there a way Israel can deal with North Korea’s hostility? Perhaps there is a back door.

Fidel Castro, who is no longer in power but is the brother of the current leader of Cuba, Raul Castro, has said in an interview that Israel has the right to exist as a Jewish state, and that with time it might be possible for Cuba and Israel to reestablish diplomatic relations.(8) Over a year has passed, and nothing has happened. The interview received remarkably little publicity.

Can Israel make a deal with Cuba? That would almost certainly shake the confidence of Hugo Chavez. It might conceivably cause the latest member of the Kim Dynasty, Kim Jong-un, to reconsider his views.

The world still doesn’t know Kim Jong-un. Is he as irrational as his father and grandfather? Would he consider cooperating with Israel and trying to give his people enough to eat? Might he want to lead North Korea into the world of the 21st century? It is hard to say.

Unfortunately, the most dangerous enemies are those whose policies serve no rational purpose.

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Originally posted by noneyons noneyons wrote:

According to the Israel national news amongst other sources, I say different. 

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Articles/Article.aspx/11536#.UQGphR2Zl7U




Yes. Of course when you use a source from Israel, you would think that. In this case, I feel Israel is over-dramatizing Noth Korea's interest in them.
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You "feel". This sounds more like an opinion. 
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