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Originally posted by ms_wonderland ms_wonderland wrote:

Originally posted by Bunnyahh Bunnyahh wrote:

Originally posted by zolloh zolloh wrote:


^^^I'd like to watch that Bunnyahh, my ABC station is not showing it.


Let it out, i think we need to talk about it, politically correct or not. 

channel 7 in NY
 

That lady wants to save her son, but at what sacrifice??  The sacrifie of dozens of others just cuz she thinks jail isn't good for him??  well death isn't good for the innocent ppl he may kill.  I say get rid of him & spare the innocent lives.   Not everyone can be treated or rehabilitated.   Some ppl are just PROBLEMS, no way around it


You're a mother...how would you go about makin that choice? Would it be cut and dry?
yes.   I have said this b4.   I have no problem turning in my child if they are in the wrong.   Whether he is assaulting, raping, killing, using, selling, stealing, etc...  He's got to go.  Not all relationships are healthy relationships.  Toxic ppl need to be dealt with accordingly
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Jam Cay & msW, what will yall do?? harbor a criminal just cuz he slid out of ur vagina??
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I'm not sure I believe they are truly suicidal... just another means of them trying to exert power and control... i.e., I decide the outcome of this, not the authorities...
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Originally posted by ThatGurlD ThatGurlD wrote:

I don't know but I try so hard not to be scared of white men.  My friend's boyfriend "goes shooting" every weekend with his friends.  WTH? I don't let my daughter babysit over there anymore because I know there are guns in the house and I don't understand the psyche.  Hunting is one thing but 'going shooting'?  I don't understand them.  

Sometimes I think they have this inner struggle for supremacy that they somehow feel they have a birthright too.  I don't think Black men are much different there.  Men who need to feel powerful do it in different ways but it comes out one way or another whether it is promiscuity, violence, womanizing/woman beating embezzlement or something else.  I think racially the pendulum swings from levels of severity but I think at baseline it's the same desire.  To feel powerful.  An attempt to validate ego.  But really who knows.


I definitely feel like that is the reason that more men tend to be violent. I find that men of all races are in a struggle for power and validation all the time, usually this struggle takes place within the home and stays within the home, with the victims being family members, spouses, close friends, etc. but then white men in these extreme cases take it outside the home.
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Originally posted by zolloh zolloh wrote:

A blog from a mother who has a mentally ill child, some excerpts:

Quote I live with a son who is mentally ill. I love my son. But he terrifies me.

A few weeks ago, Michael pulled a knife and threatened to kill me and then himself after I asked him to return his overdue library books. His 7 and 9 year old siblings knew the safety plan—they ran to the car and locked the doors before I even asked them to. I managed to get the knife from Michael, then methodically collected all the sharp objects in the house into a single Tupperware container that now travels with me. Through it all, he continued to scream insults at me and threaten to kill or hurt me.

I am sharing this story because I am Adam Lanza’s mother. I am Dylan Klebold’s and Eric Harris’s mother. I am Jason Holmes’s mother. I am Jared Loughner’s mother. I am Seung-Hui Cho’s mother. And these boys—and their mothers—need help. In the wake of another horrific national tragedy, it’s easy to talk about guns. But it’s time to talk about mental illness

When I asked my son’s social worker about my options, he said that the only thing I could do was to get Michael charged with a crime. “If he’s back in the system, they’ll create a paper trail,” he said. “That’s the only way you’re ever going to get anything done. No one will pay attention to you unless you’ve got charges.”

I don’t believe my son belongs in jail. The chaotic environment exacerbates Michael’s sensitivity to sensory stimuli and doesn’t deal with the underlying pathology. But it seems like the United States is using prison as the solution of choice for mentally ill people. According to Human Rights Watch, the number of mentally ill inmates in U.S. prisons quadrupled from 2000 to 2006, and it continues to rise—in fact, the rate of inmate mental illness is five times greater (56 percent) than in the non-incarcerated population. (http://www.hrw.org/news/2006/09/05/us-number-mentally-ill-prisons-quadrupled)

God help me. God help Michael. God help us all.

http://anarchistsoccermom.blogspot.com/2012/12/thinking-unthinkable.html?m=1




Sorry...This sounds like she never whooped his ass as a child and now that he's older, she's still talking to him like he's 3.  Or maybe he does have a problem and instead of the mother getting help for the child when he was younger, she ignored it.  Now that he's older, she can't control him and she wont control him.
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Originally posted by Bunnyahh Bunnyahh wrote:

Originally posted by ms_wonderland ms_wonderland wrote:

Originally posted by Bunnyahh Bunnyahh wrote:

Originally posted by zolloh zolloh wrote:


^^^I'd like to watch that Bunnyahh, my ABC station is not showing it.


Let it out, i think we need to talk about it, politically correct or not. 

channel 7 in NY
 

That lady wants to save her son, but at what sacrifice??  The sacrifie of dozens of others just cuz she thinks jail isn't good for him??  well death isn't good for the innocent ppl he may kill.  I say get rid of him & spare the innocent lives.   Not everyone can be treated or rehabilitated.   Some ppl are just PROBLEMS, no way around it


You're a mother...how would you go about makin that choice? Would it be cut and dry?
yes.   I have said this b4.   I have no problem turning in my child if they are in the wrong.   Whether he is assaulting, raping, killing, using, selling, stealing, etc...  He's got to go.  Not all relationships are healthy relationships.  Toxic ppl need to be dealt with accordingly

This is what my mother told us and how I plan to be when raising my son.
She told us that if we are truthful, she's behind us 100%
But if we get caught up in some stuff, she will be the first to turn us in.
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Originally posted by Bunnyahh Bunnyahh wrote:

Jam Cay & msW, what will yall do?? harbor a criminal just cuz he slid out of ur vagina??


Nah, I'd think about the preservation of my safety and my other children but I cant really judge mothers that don't...a mothers love is unconditional and by way of that it may also be blind, deaf, and dumb. Maybe the mother feels responsible and doesn't want to fail her son.
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Originally posted by Bunnyahh Bunnyahh wrote:

Jam Cay & msW, what will yall do?? harbor a criminal just cuz he slid out of ur vagina??


I ain't harbouring no criminal....

However in the blog posted previously, the child had not committed any crime, but rather displayed sociopathic tendencies.... I thought that was the situation we were discussing.... which is why I thought your response seemed a little cavalier...
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Originally posted by zolloh zolloh wrote:

I was reading up on this study published in 2010 on black homicide victimization yesterday..here are some quotes. The pdf of the study is at the bottom:

Quote For the year 2007, blacks represented 13 percent of the population yet accounted for 49 percent of all homicide victims. Eighty-two percent of the 7,387 black homicide victims were killed with guns. The homicide rate among black male victims is 37.59 per 100,000, while the rate for white male homicide victims is 4.63 per 100,000.

Quote For homicides in which the victim to offender relationship could be identified,
72 percent of black victims (2,474 out of 3,431) were murdered by someone they
knew. Nine hundred fifty-seven victims were killed by strangers.

Quote For homicides in which the circumstances could be identified, 69 percent (3,023
out of 4,362) were not related to the commission of any other felony. Of these, 55
percent (1,669 homicides) involved arguments between the victim and the offender.
Ten percent (294 homicides) were reported to be gang-related. Forty-four percent of
gang-related homicides (128 homicides) were in California, which may be in part due
to more comprehensive reporting. In California, 44 percent of non-felony related
homicides were reported to be gang-related.

http://www.vpc.org/studies/blackhomicide10.pdf

IMHO if these homicide rates applied to white people, then maybe something could be done (what, i dont know), since the data suggests that blacks and killing other blacks so there's a "meh" attitude about it. I'll look and see if there's a study compiled on mental illness and gun violence.



These stats are a little alarming to me but I think it's funny that I still feel safer around a group of black people than in a fancy white neighborhood. I have seen other BHMers say the same thing over the years.

And the studies about white men, mental illness and gun violence (in that combination) are fewer than this type of article right here and articles on undiagnosed mental health issues in the US
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Originally posted by Bunnyahh Bunnyahh wrote:

yup, IA that blks run to the church instead of a therapist
 

yup we self medicate with sex, shopping, food, drugs & alcohol.  This is a good inerview


You bring up an important point bun! Self medication, people pf color definitely self medicate with a variety of things. I'm guessing more so than their white counterparts who if the feel the least bit mentally ill will get medication prescribed to them. Or at least that's what I think
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