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Why I Like My Feminism Gray…


What’s the quickest way to pick a fight?

Wear stilleto heels to a conference on Feminism.

And if you want it to really get ugly…pair said heels with skinny jeans, nail polish and copious amounts of lip gloss.

This is exactly what I did a few years ago.  As I waded through a sea of buzzcuts and flannel shirts, I could feel the eyes on me. Eyes of contempt. Eyes of lust. Eyes of confusion. I smiled and waited for the hammer to drop. I didn’t have to wait long.

About an hour into the conference, the conversation turned to the “male gaze.” For those of you who are unfamiliar with feminist lingo, male gaze is a term that was first used by feminist scholars to describe how the film industry typically adopts the point of view of heterosexual men by using camera angles and filming techniques that objectify women. Although it was a term initially applied to sexist film practices, the term now has a wider application – as it is used  to describe the focalization of women as objects on a socio-cultural level. Today, much of the female representation and imagery that we see in the media is shaped to please the male gaze.

So at this conference, one sister kept talking about how we, as women, too often defined ourselves by the standards set by men. As she spoke, she pointedly looked at me… and my shoes. Following her cue, a few other women glared at me, openly hostile. Many of the women at this particular conference were lesbian and mixed in with their hostility about my questionable feminism -was definitely a certain amount of sexual interest in my appearance. Hate and lust in equal measure. Maybe they thought I would be intimidated or would start to doubt my decision to unabashedly be myself in this space that they had carved out. I chuckled silently as a Beyonce line ran through my head. They must not know about me.

First of all, let me be clear. I am a feminist. A staunch one. I am a woman who firmly believes that women should have access to all of the rights and opportunities that are afforded to men. I do not hate men. Or anything for that matter. I love men and women. I want to see a society where all of us can be free and whole. I take my feminism seriously. So seriously in fact, that I have taken time to critically think about it. I  have not allowed anyone to impose their brand of feminism on me. Whether it’s white women who have made feminism all about the white, middle-class experience or sistas who have rejected feminism for some reactionary and equally debilitating form of  womanism that still denies full range of expression and being, I reject anything that tells me that I’m not allowed to be my whole self. I like stiletto heels and make up. I like men. I like attractive men. When I was a single woman, I liked to look at attractive men and I liked them to look at me. Does being a feminist mean that I cannot love and embrace these parts of myself?

I used to feel a deep internal conflict between who I was and what I thought my feminism should look like. But like Joan Morgan said in When Chickenheads Come Home to Roost, I’ve learned to embrace a feminism that’s not afraid to “f*&k with the gray areas.”  A feminism that lets me find peace in the understanding that my job as a feminist  human being is to constantly work on checking the “isms” within myself, while also loving the parts of me that are healthy and conducive to my growth—even if they don’t fit into someone’s pre-conceived notion of who I should be.

I now understand that every woman is a whole woman. This means that she is multi-faceted, (perhaps, contradictory), complex, and nuanced. She has many sides and has the right to express any of those sides whenever she sees fit. I experience myself as intellectual, emotional, spiritual, sexual, physical, mental, and growing. And if my understanding of feminism is correct, the ultimate goal is to create a world where women can be whatever they want to be, whenever they want to be it, without limitations imposed by gender and sexism.


I think that any idea, institution, or person that tries to deny a woman this full range of expression is an enemy to feminism. Feminists…this means you! Sometimes in a misguided attempt to set up parameters, feminists create a narrower and (ironically) oppressive definition of womanhood

Check out the video below of a young lady – who goes by the name of NineteenPercent – giving her take on the new Beyonce video,  Run The World (Girls). This is EXACTLY the kind of feminism that I experienced at that conference…snarky, confrontational, biting, sarcastic, and ugly…




Now don’t get me wrong. I value critique and I don’t believe anybody is exempt from it. I also think that if you can look past the off-putting tone, NineteenPercent shares some really important information and makes some critical connections. I appreciate her and any young woman who decides to address these pressing issues. Unlike NineteenPercent, I believe Beyonce’s lyrics were not oppositional, but complementary to the points outlined in the video. I think any form of empowerment starts with an internal decision to be empowered. Beyonce’s song is just that…a creative, aesthetic, call to empowerment. NineteenPercent thinks Beyonce is a liar because she failed to speak about all of the challenges faced by women. I think Beyonce is an artist doing what artists do…creating her vision of what reality should be.

However, NinteenPercent has every right to disagree. I definitely think that a strong feminist movement must include critique of ourselves and each other. But I also firmly believe in what bell hooks, calls “loving critique.” Particularly when it’s a critique of another woman. Why is it that the women who proclaim to be pro-woman so loudly are the first ones to tear another woman down in the most brutal and humiliating fashion? Why must we enter the arena of dialogue armed with ridicule and disdain for each other? Or is it less about feminist critique and more about seizing an opportunity to attack another woman in an unconscious act of internalized sexism? Does sexy (and arguably hyper-sexed) Beyonce become more of a target because of the added influence of  jealousy and repressed sexuality? These are questions we should be willing to face with honesty and authenticity.

Now, I can completely understand the crux of Beyonce and why she is so controversial. Her expression is decidedly sexual. People observe her blonde hair and question her racial politics. When confronted with her as a woman, a brand, and an artist, questions arise about how much of her is genuine expression, how much is savvy marketing, and how much is female exploitation by male handlers. I’ve often thought about Beyonce’s relationship to corporate interests and what it means for the young women and men in my community whom I work with on a daily basis. Beyonce, just like feminism itself, is a complicated knot of fascinating and uncomfortable questions.

Let me just state for the record, that I have not always been pleased with everything that Beyonce has produced. And if given the opportunity, I would love to engage her in a conversation about all of the things I love about her body of work AND the things I take issue with. However, the tone of this hypothetical conversation would reflect the amount of respect that I have for Beyonce as both an artist and a black woman. Being able to navigate contentious points and differing perspectives is the sign of a movement that is healthy and truly progressive.

With that being said, I absolutely love Beyonce’s new song and video. I can relate to the words and performance. In so many ways, this song embodies how I experience my own feminism. Furthermore, I respect that Beyonce is Beyonce. She is not Gloria Steinem. She is not bell hooks. And she is not supposed to be. Her brand of feminism is and should be a reflection of who she is.

Thank you, Beyonce, for making a song for the women who embrace their wholeness, even in the face of ridicule and repression. For us sisters who have no qualms about marching into a feminist conference in sky high shoes and perfume. For the women who understand that feminism has a million different faces.

Who run this mutha?!?!?!?



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Personally don't think think there is a clear cut definition of a feminist or feminism - each person has their own quirks and extremities that lend to other notions. Beyonce is a woman like any other. A host of imperfections and a contradiction in many ways. Everything she sings is not about to be uplifting, just like most of what we say isn't the nicest.

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Originally posted by Missvw Missvw wrote:

Originally posted by JasonWllms55 JasonWllms55 wrote:

Keyshia Cole was on Jimmy Kimmel last night and KILLED it. Say what you want about her, but she can SING!!!




MEHHHHHHH

this ish was average and off key starting off, I stopped watching waiting for her to find the key to sing. LOL
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Originally posted by Random Thoughts Random Thoughts wrote:

I guess this might be relevant again.



this girl needs to find something else more important in her life. 
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um... the only good part of that was at 3:30. The rest was whatever.
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that was a 5 performance...not a 10. 
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The song is cool, but I expect more from Beyonce now. Like come on lady you have a daughter. 
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IMO you should be able to support feminism without having to reject all things feminine. There's this ongoing dirty mantra going on that for a woman to be taken seriously she must kill all things feminine in herself and present a "hard" exterior in an effort to be viewed as smart, competent, etc.

I reject that whole heartedly. I've successfully worked both sides of the line. I've made money on my looks (modeling) and I now run a consultancy where I'm paid for the success of my ideas and the implementation of them (brains).

Women should NOT have to choose between the two. I walk into a conference, get on a pitch call, etc and go toe to toe with people who've been in this industry longer than me. And I always walk away with people impressed with how I present myself and the savvy nature of my work. I REFUSE to downplay my looks just because of a fear that men will focus "solely" on my looks. Not to sound stuck up, but I'm good looking. And I like when my pants fit me close, I like rocking crazy high platform heels and yes, I like taking time on my make up and hair.

IMO being a feminist means respecting a woman's right to present herself how she wants to and not giving stank faces because a woman decides to embrace "fashion/makeup/trends" just because YOU choose not to. If buzz cuts and flannels are your thing - rock out. But you dare not attempt to look down your nose because sky high stilettos, a sheer silk blouse, fitted skin tight jeans, natural-but-sexy makeup & a well groomed coif are MY thing.


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"I reject anything that tells me that I’m not allowed to be my whole self."

I like this, sounds like something BeatriceBean would say.

19% did seem a bit angry and it would have been better if she focused on the influence beyonce has...the other lady had some good points, but then she lost me after uplifting beyonce so much.

It's like they both wanted to meet in the middle, but failed.
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Originally posted by modelbusiness82 modelbusiness82 wrote:

IMO you should be able to support feminism without having to reject all
things feminine. There's this ongoing dirty mantra going on that for a
woman to be taken seriously she must kill all things feminine in herself
and present a "hard" exterior in an effort to be viewed as smart,
competent, etc.

I reject that whole heartedly. I've successfully
worked both sides of the line. I've made money on my looks (modeling)
and I now run a consultancy where I'm paid for the success of my ideas
and the implementation of them (brains).

Women should NOT have
to choose between the two. I walk into a conference, get on a pitch
call, etc and go toe to toe with people who've been in this industry
longer than me. And I always walk away with people impressed with how I
present myself and the savvy nature of my work. I REFUSE to downplay my
looks just because of a fear that men won't focus "solely" on my looks.
Not to sound stuck up, but I'm good looking. And I like when my pants
fit me close, I like rocking crazy high platform heels and yes, I like
taking time on my make up and hair.

IMO being a feminist means
respecting a woman's right to present herself how she wants to and not
giving stank faces because a woman decides to embrace
"fashion/makeup/trends" just because YOU choose not to. If buzz cuts and
flannels are your thing - rock out. But you dare not attempt to look
down your nose because sky high stilettos, a sheer silk blouse, fitted
skin tight jeans, natural-but-sexy makeup & a well groomed coif are
MY thing.






Yes! I totally agree. Wrote something for my school's paper about this around the time of Beyonce's GQ magazine shoot, when lots of people were saying she couldn't possibly be a feminist after posing with limited clothing on for a men's magazine.

"This debate is amusing in that it seems to be missing a very important point. It does not reflect the strides the feminist movement made during its heyday. Once upon a time, it was a triumph that women were finally ripping off some fabric, shedding a few petticoats and wearing miniskirts and trousers because they were shifting away from what was normalized for them by men.

Only a few decades later, it is interesting to see that the transformation women have made for themselves is being attributed to men. Everything is interpreted as hyper-sexualized, so much so that the feminist movement is no longer accepting of the female anatomy, real or fake. Women like actress Traci Ellis Ross, who has chosen not to wear brassieres because she believes we are a “culture confused by fake boobs,” or comedian Mo’Nique, who wants to show everyone “what real legs look like,” help to keep the idea of choice alive.

One of the reasons feminism lags in true progression is the continued analysis of women’s actions by one other. Feminism is a movement built on the idea that a woman should be able to make decisions for herself and her society. Whether she opts to wear a hijab to display her modesty or a miniskirt simply because she can, feminism has made it so that ultimately these decisions are up to her. Neither a man nor a so-called feminist should ever tell a woman what she should and shouldn’t wear to fit his or her agendas. We should certainly not idealize an individual woman to represent the gender as a whole."
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