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Originally posted by JoliePoufiasse JoliePoufiasse wrote:

Originally posted by OoDles O OoDles O wrote:

probably would be more weird if someone called you an African American in Haiti .... lol


Honestly, for the man on the corner, AAs might as well be white. Hell, even Haitians raised abroad are considered blanc when they go home. We're considered foreigners

To be precise, they will know a black person when they see one but because of the westernized mannerisms, they'll call you blanc. It's not meant to be literal.

I thought you were just called jaspora---which i figured out awhile ago was a version of the english word disapora
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I asked this in another thread but what do blacks in other countries teach their kids about slavery that occurred in their country?
Jamaican Scenario Based on the English Model
 
Grade 1-6 Primary School take a standardized test and get placed in a high school based on the scores obtained. High school 7-11; General studies covering all subjects 7-9, in Grade 10 choose 5-9 subjects to sit a region wide test (CXC) In grade 11 then get High School Diploma. Sixth Form grades 12-13 get Assocs Degreee/ A levels then head to uni.
 
SL we are taught a good deal and from grade 3-4 as a part of the social studies curriculum and civics students are told of the many slave rebellions. Oh and the songs get drilled to your head too.
 
 sings *Grandy Nanny of Nanny town symbol of Unity and strength*
 
We HAVE to trace that Middle passage and write about it. We have plantations still standing, back in my day most town primary and prep school made trips to the White Witch of Rose Halls Estate  (in country) or some other estate. Hell the University (main) was a sugar estate, the aqueducts still stand
 
We have a National Heroes day in October. Movies documentaries etc etc Our Heroes are on the money.
 
Garveyism is making a come back
 
People often speak of reparations. Jamaica is heading the Reparations committee
 
We get the dates drilled in our heads Emancipation Day Independence Day. We have Grand Market (Jamaican towns DO not sleep on Christmas Eve but party and vendors sell in the streets into wee hours of Christmas morning) this has been happening from slavery days.
 
The folklore and legends are alive and well 3 fingered jack (a powerful murderous slave), Tacky sister of Nanny lead a rebellion.
 
Rastafari plays a part as well for they are forever burning down the Babylon system (western ways of the world, the white man, the isms and all
 
Every child by Grade 6 has done at least 4 projects on our National Heroes four of which played pivotal roles in Slave rebellions, and resistance and fighting the nasty red coats
 
The Young Warriors is a coming of age novel about the maroons who warded of the Red coats all high school children are required to read.
 
The literature syllabus has an almost equal mix of West Indian Literature (clearly we related to that more) and English Literature
 
Here's my problem with high school we learn the world history in Grades 7-9 But students have the option to do CXC History and this is where you get the nitty gritty the pics, the why, the slave codes etc etc etc and when it gets to A Level history you dig deeper. But I still think the books smooth over and make it seem like of the Brits were just naughty fellows but they made up for it by giving us freedom (maybe cause many of the publishers are in England)Ouch
 
Is our system and curriculum free from the bonds of colonialism nope.
 
If mom was here she would better explain this. Sorry for rambling.
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Originally posted by EPITOME EPITOME wrote:

Originally posted by JoliePoufiasse JoliePoufiasse wrote:

Originally posted by OoDles O OoDles O wrote:

probably would be more weird if someone called you an African American in Haiti .... lol


Honestly, for the man on the corner, AAs might as well be white. Hell, even Haitians raised abroad are considered blanc when they go home. We're considered foreigners

To be precise, they will know a black person when they see one but because of the westernized mannerisms, they'll call you blanc. It's not meant to be literal.


I thought you were just called jaspora---which i figured out awhile ago was a version of the english word disapora



I've also gotten jaspora. But people who are less educated perhaps have straight up called me blanc. They don't mean this in a racial way but they attribute this to the fact that some mannerisms are clearly not caribbean. You know, how you'll walk faster, dress a little different and all that. I've tried to blend in but Haitians ALWAYS know when you're from the diaspora without even speaking to you. And they tend to think of you as an étranger.
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She has the right to consider herself as non AA.
In Europe, africans even borned there do not consider themselves as Europeans but there is a reason for that: europeans do not consider as europeans they always point out our origins.
In the US its different tho!
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^Oooh, thanks Diane! Thumbs Up
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Now SL does it stick in the greater scheme of things? does the avg Jamaican recognize the scars and present day manifestations of colonialism, I would answer no. Here is where it changes for us and AA we are majority though the wealth is in the hands of the few brown (high yellow) and whites. But often classism and colourism reign but racism is still alive and present just cloaked in those two.
 
Also there a lot of indifference to slavery and colonialism ( it's the past, slaves dead and gone) we are free and independent and honestly yardies love them some England and the Queen.Ouch but the truly love the USA more. Anything local not good anything foreign is good. [See Sean Paul, Bob Marley and to a much lesser extent Tessanne Chin] Eff every overpaid clueless Scotland YArd policeman, "consultants" contractors esp those Clueless bawdy rude drunk and dunce (yes dunce) Irish ppl from Dutty Digicel Ltd. who come here and collect $$$$$ on the work of the black localsAngryAngry
 
Also while the curriculum is there not all schools are on the same or near the same standard. I went to a school (albeit a Colonial Girls in every sense of the word, I cried) with a $hitload of PCs and free internet, a pool numerous activities and an orchestra around the corner there was a school where that was not the case at all. Thanks Ms J Hunter for letting us know what we had wasn't the normHeart
 


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Originally posted by JoliePoufiasse JoliePoufiasse wrote:

Originally posted by EPITOME EPITOME wrote:

Originally posted by JoliePoufiasse JoliePoufiasse wrote:

Originally posted by OoDles O OoDles O wrote:

probably would be more weird if someone called you an African American in Haiti .... lol


Honestly, for the man on the corner, AAs might as well be white. Hell, even Haitians raised abroad are considered blanc when they go home. We're considered foreigners

To be precise, they will know a black person when they see one but because of the westernized mannerisms, they'll call you blanc. It's not meant to be literal.


I thought you were just called jaspora---which i figured out awhile ago was a version of the english word disapora



I've also gotten jaspora. But people who are less educated perhaps have straight up called me blanc. They don't mean this in a racial way but they attribute this to the fact that some mannerisms are clearly not caribbean. You know, how you'll walk faster, dress a little different and all that. I've tried to blend in but Haitians ALWAYS know when you're from the diaspora without even speaking to you. And they tend to think of you as an étranger.


You are so right!!! In Ivory Coast, Cameroon, i guess every country in Africa is the same.
They can tell you dont live there by your skin( although you are dark) then, even when you are in the car: they say, Diaspora always wear seatbelt. And you are right about the fact that diaspora is Always speed, acts fast, talks fast
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Originally posted by carolina cutie carolina cutie wrote:

^Oooh, thanks Diane! Thumbs Up
 
One of these days Imma sit down and do a proper breakdown of the Slave rebellions in Jamaica I have the textbooks. Im still salty Haitian Diva shaded the rest of the Caribbean supm wicked. Like while we were fighting what were y'all doing? Loving up those slave masters waiting to be granted your freedom while we took it by forceOuchOuch 
 
Im hearing talk of a Jamaican who helped the Haitian Revolution

There is a school of thought here that we are not truly an Independent country because we shucked and jived and pleaded with England to grant us Independence. And the already privileged few brown men had to hurry and come up with the proper documents, institutions and the Constitutions to do so which would govern the rest of us dark ones for years to come. So what they do copy and paste the old ish and borrow heavily from the Mother country (England) ish to appease them. Trust me that Constitution giving us some problems now LOLOL.
 
ETA Oh the smaller island had rebellions too, this is why I wonder why the rest of the Caribbean and West Indians still living on the island BHMers have gone. Its only the JamaicansCryCry


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Originally posted by Diane (35) Diane (35) wrote:

Im hearing talk of a Jamaican who helped the Haitian Revolution



Yup! I can't remember his name, I have to look it up. But yes, he was a Jamaican slave that somehow got sent to Haiti (I think he was sold to someone else). He was indeed a prominent figure in the revolution. This is something I found out fairly recently

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Originally posted by JoliePoufiasse JoliePoufiasse wrote:

Originally posted by Diane (35) Diane (35) wrote:

Im hearing talk of a Jamaican who helped the Haitian Revolution



Yup! I can't remember his name, I have to look it up. But yes, he was a Jamaican slave that somehow got sent to Haiti (I think he was sold to someone else). He was indeed a prominent figure in the revolution. This is something I found out fairly recently
 
Mommy has been saying it for about 3 months or so meant to bring it up/ask in the many rivers to cross documentary. Shes the history social studies one, Im a scientist so yall forgive my bad explanation. I never truly did Caribbean history at high school level. and my memory fails me.
 
She says duty dutty dutay, dute with an acute accent over the "e" maybe.
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