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 Posted: Feb 22 2013 at 9:42pm |
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I don't know what's going on with the hair. I don't think that the packaging is causing it alone. I think the hair was dry. I seen the greatest amount of static after I washed the hair and allowed it to air dry. If it were a packaging situation, it would have subsided after I washed and conditioned.
In my case, I have the VCS which is known of being a little frizzy and need a little more moisture than the other textures. But in the video, those bundles were tangled. Maybe the silkier textures are tangling, I don't know, but it just doesn't seem like static would cause the hair to tangle.
I just think she needs to be truthful about the hair. Here lately it seems as if she is creating an illusion of what she wants us to believe even though our eyes see differently. All of the "Russian" hair people have bought, her hair is the only hair going through it. If the hair is tangled once it gets to the customer, don't rationalize a scientific theory about what's going on. Just replace the bundles! She could start braiding the bundles to cut down on her "winter friction".
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Agreed. Tangling has to do with cuticle alignment which is usually interrupted during the wefting process which is why I think this has been caused by a wefting issue. I think the "static" people notice are like flyaways/short hairs. I remember she had a hackling video saying how much she hackles the hair so on and so forth but if she was hackling it as extensively as she said then I don't think this would be an issue. I'm with you that's the part that's tripping me out that I'm looking at all these other companies selling Russian hair and why they hair not suffering from "winter friction"? She just doesn't want to acknowledge she sent out some bad bundles and wants to think customers think they're the ones that's trippin instead of her. One thing you can definitely say about Ms. Nicole, you can't help but respect her hustle because she's going to always hold her head up high, look you dead in the eyes and try to make you a believer, lol. |
I think its a combination of the hair being dry, coarse, having more short hairs due to wefting issues.
If you watch some newer videos on Jace she went from 0 shedding to getting 5+ strands a day
& this isn't even on curly hair. Then I'm sure the burlap sack made it worse..
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Yeah it's basically what we said would happen with that "coarse" hair when she made that hair types vid with the flyayway hair that we were called haters for pointing out.  We warned not to buy it and it's behaving the way it is supposed to so no one can really complain. We CAN tell what's gonna happen to hair by just looking at vids or pics. They wanted "coarse Russian" and that's exactly what they got, hair that's is by nature trouble and considered low grade hair in the hair business FOR A REASON. 
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Posted: Feb 22 2013 at 11:16pm |
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& all of that trouble for hair that IMO doesn't blend with MOST natural hair & barely blends with relaxed hair. At the end of the day the Very Coarse hair might have a similar luster but the strands are painfully thin. I could see if you used the VC right at your leave out with just a sliver of your hair out. But as dry and wiry as it appears to me I wouldnt trust it in my nape.
In Fabs video when she had a whole install full of very coarse straight. It looked like straw, like strands just looked so fragile. There is a reason why nobody is ombre-ing their coarse hair.
And to me this video was just another attempt by Nicole to explain away why the coarse hair is so problematic.
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Posted: Feb 23 2013 at 12:10am |
Kami612 wrote:
& all of that trouble for hair that IMO doesn't blend with MOST natural hair & barely blends with relaxed hair. At the end of the day the Very Coarse hair might have a similar luster but the strands are painfully thin. I could see if you used the VC right at your leave out with just a sliver of your hair out. But as dry and wiry as it appears to me I wouldnt trust it in my nape.
In Fabs video when she had a whole install full of very coarse straight. It looked like straw, like strands just looked so fragile. There is a reason why nobody is ombre-ing their coarse hair.
And to me this video was just another attempt by Nicole to explain away why the coarse hair is so problematic.
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VCS won't/can't handle bleaching plus it will require too much maintenance such as carrying a small bottle of moisture like spray to constantly hydrate the hair.
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Posted: Feb 23 2013 at 4:00pm |
I've gotten quite a few messages about "winter friction". I've had no issues with my Very Coarse hair purchases from Jacebeauty. This winter friction notion, is very new to me as well as others.
I've received hair from Mane Depot and a few others where I've had static electricity issues right out the pack but it was just a few hairs and did NOT effect the performance of my wefts. My recently arrived VC by Jacebeauty, right out the pack I had some static issues but it involved about 10 hairs tops and no further issues after clarified and conditioned. I'm sure as has been noted here there have been more extreme cases of this but to term all the coarse hair as going through these issues is incorrect.
I've read about the packaging being a possible culprit, while I'm not sure if its these new mesh bags, I actually preferred her previous silk bags. The hair isn't dropped into the burlap bag...you get two bags plus...a main bag (burlap) and individual bags for your bundles. So I'm not sure if these mesh and burlap bags are a factor but I do know Jacebeauty does not "heat treat" the very coarse as they do the other textures so yes, it will come dry looking at times but I've only experienced this with the new mesh and burlap combo - never had a problem before. Now the hair in these videos...IDK. All I know is that I heavily cringed when I watched that paddle brush go through those bundles dry with no moisture applied. I wanted to save them.
Also, Kami, when I gave my review on my VCS back in July, I specifically mentioned my shedding issues. I've read and talked to others who've stated they've had shedding with their hair and I'm not talking about the initial shedding. My shedding subsided - no I didn't seal my wefts- but it was mentioned to Jacebeauty and they immediately offered to revert the hair once I took it down. So I know it's been stated on here and I've told anyone who was asked, for the most part, the shedding is minimal but it really was just an issue with that one bundle. In regards to coloring- I don't do the ombré but I've lifted my very coarse using 20/30 volume developer for applying blue and purple hair color. This was in the fall and I've had no issues with the hair in regards to breakage or dryness.
While every bundle will be different - it doesn't mean every experience will be the same. My hair is pretty low maintenance but I also know what to do to it, so that would be the reason.
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Posted: Feb 23 2013 at 4:13pm |
Thank you for your input MMR, you are one of the few I've seen color the hair. & it just struck me as odd because usually YT gurus can't wait to throw some bleach on the hair. I just prefer the look of the Medium Coarse Straight & I remember seeing ms. greene & she was REALLY ticked off about the shedding. But she is used to Arjuju's bullet proof karate wefts. Yeah you've been killing it with the coarse curly so in comparison the coarse straight would be low maintenance.
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Posted: Feb 23 2013 at 4:49pm |
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MsMahganyRed thank you for the thorough response you gave on the matter being someone who has purchased and normally purchases very coarse hair. From your experiences with the hair it sounds like the texture has never been a problem for you and wouldn't be the cause of these issues ie. winter friction, which I didn't believe was the case. Though the hair is coarser that doesn't make it bad hair IMO, it may just take different maintenance but that's all. I don't believe the "winter friction" issues were caused because the hair was coarse or just a bit dry, I think it's the actual hair itself or something to do with wefting that caused those issues with that hair. I've seen all kinds of beautiful well behaving coarse hair, just because the hair is coarser doesn't make it automatically problematic that's not what went wrong for Jace.
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Posted: Feb 23 2013 at 4:59pm |
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MsMahganyRed thank you for the thorough response you gave on the matter being someone who has purchased and normally purchases very coarse hair. From your experiences with the hair it sounds like the texture has never been a problem for you and wouldn't be the cause of these issues ie. winter friction, which I didn't believe was the case. Though the hair is coarser that doesn't make it bad hair IMO, it may just take different maintenance but that's all. I don't believe the "winter friction" issues were caused because the hair was coarse or just a bit dry, I think it's the actual hair itself or something to do with wefting that caused those issues with that hair. I've seen all kinds of beautiful well behaving coarse hair, just because the hair is coarser doesn't make it automatically problematic that's not what went wrong for Jace.
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I'm not saying coarse hair is bad hair. But Nicole herself said the coarse hair would be more prone to acting up. She specifically called it wiry. Thinking about this now when Nicole made that first video about things that could arise with the texture of coarse hair...Why wasn't this "winter friction" mentioned then if she knows her product so well?
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Posted: Feb 23 2013 at 5:02pm |
So basically all that's going on is some hair static.
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Posted: Feb 23 2013 at 5:05pm |
Kami612 wrote:
CurvyGirl27 wrote:
MsMahganyRed thank you for the thorough response you gave on the matter being someone who has purchased and normally purchases very coarse hair. From your experiences with the hair it sounds like the texture has never been a problem for you and wouldn't be the cause of these issues ie. winter friction, which I didn't believe was the case. Though the hair is coarser that doesn't make it bad hair IMO, it may just take different maintenance but that's all. I don't believe the "winter friction" issues were caused because the hair was coarse or just a bit dry, I think it's the actual hair itself or something to do with wefting that caused those issues with that hair. I've seen all kinds of beautiful well behaving coarse hair, just because the hair is coarser doesn't make it automatically problematic that's not what went wrong for Jace.
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I'm not saying coarse hair is bad hair.
But Nicole herself said the coarse hair would be more prone to acting up.
She specifically called it wiry.
Thinking about this now when Nicole made that first video about things that could arise
with the texture of coarse hair...Why wasn't this "winter friction" mentioned then if she knows her product so well?
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No I wasn't thinking you'd said coarse hair was bad I was referring to some comments a few pages ago saying that it's not a good grade of hair because it's coarse. I don't think that hair being coarse makes it not a good grade, who considers what is and isn't good really its all about someone's personal preference I think. Yeah I do believe coarse hair is more prone to causing problems because it's a more sensitive hair because of its texture and that it gets dry so often. She didn't bother to mention winter friction until now because this has never been an issue which is further proof this is just something she's making up on the fly because she sent out bad bundles and is trying to damage control.
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Posted: Feb 23 2013 at 5:07pm |
Kami612 wrote:
CurvyGirl27 wrote:
MsMahganyRed thank you for the thorough response you gave on the matter being someone who has purchased and normally purchases very coarse hair. From your experiences with the hair it sounds like the texture has never been a problem for you and wouldn't be the cause of these issues ie. winter friction, which I didn't believe was the case. Though the hair is coarser that doesn't make it bad hair IMO, it may just take different maintenance but that's all. I don't believe the "winter friction" issues were caused because the hair was coarse or just a bit dry, I think it's the actual hair itself or something to do with wefting that caused those issues with that hair. I've seen all kinds of beautiful well behaving coarse hair, just because the hair is coarser doesn't make it automatically problematic that's not what went wrong for Jace.
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I'm not saying coarse hair is bad hair.
But Nicole herself said the coarse hair would be more prone to acting up.
She specifically called it wiry.
Thinking about this now when Nicole made that first video about things that could arise
with the texture of coarse hair...Why wasn't this "winter friction" mentioned then if she knows her product so well?
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I'm thinking it's the products that Jace is using. Maybe something alcohol based which is causing the hair to become static and slightly tangle. All she needs to do is switch back to what she was using previously if that's the case, switch her packaging back to the silk and that should solve the problem.
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