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Originally posted by Midna Midna wrote:

Originally posted by liesnalibis liesnalibis wrote:

Originally posted by ThABxBoRoUgH ThABxBoRoUgH wrote:

Its definitely "harder" for a man to be masculine for sure. Men have to fit into this box of what it is to be a man. Being a man is not being a women, not being gay, etc. When you step out of those confines as a man, you are immediately put in check by men, women, and society at large. There is a culture of hegemonic masculinity that men are pressured into performing. Word to Sociology on this one. 

I agree. Being a man is considered a step above being a woman. Which is why we hear things like "Now that's a real man!" "Stop bitching and be a man!" "Stop acting like a female/hoe/bitch/etc!" "Most of these black men didn't have fathers in their lives so they don't know how to be men."

Feminine is considered the default state of being. You have to step up if you want to be considered masculine.



Now that you elaborated, I do see your point. I do think men have more restricting expectations because its clear masculinity has a very linear and caricaturized image. It's also so ironic that masculinity is upheld as strong and superior yet femininity in its perceived inferiority can easily compromise the strong and infallible masculinity.

I think.. men have overly linear and high expectations while women have ridiculous and dichotomous expectations, hopefully I'm discerning this correctly.

All this is expected of men compared with women is rather insulting to women imo. We're not expected to be leaders.
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Originally posted by liesnalibis liesnalibis wrote:

Originally posted by Midna Midna wrote:

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I think it's a lot easier to be feminine because you really don't have to anything to be feminine. Guys are expected to act a certain way though.


We're expected to be perfect all the time while dealing with hypocritical standards, unnecessary policing of our bodies, unspoken responsibility of the male in cases of sexual violence, and dichotomous standards in general to balance, all with less pay and we don't have to do anything to be feminine? LOL

Feminine as in woman-like? No, we don't have to do anything.

"Is it hard to be perceived as feminine?" is a totally separate question to me from "Is is hard being a woman?"


Then forget my previous post. LOL However, I think I still do partially disagree because inherent femininity seems to be subjective, especially by race. Like take us for example, we are stereotyped to be masculine and all sorts of demonizing thing because we are black women. While black males are hypermasculinized and celebrated for such reasons, black women are perceived to be masculine and aggressive females thus making us undesirable. Even though it's evident this is such a stupid assumption to make with all the feminine black women out there, we're expected to fit a masculine box.

Even to the feminine black women out there, let them show any sign of life outside their portrayed femininity and they immediately get dismissed as masculine and deemed typical. Because of these expectations by default, black women have to do twice as much to be perceived as feminine. So to say we don't have to do anything to be feminine, I can't say I fully agree.

Maybe to a white woman or even an Asian woman, perceived femininity would require very little to be achieved. But that is certainly not the case for all.
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Black women are seen as masculine, tho. 
And I'm quite alright with that. 
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Hmmm, good discussion.
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Aww I don't think black women are seen as masculine.  Sometimes we're seen as over feminized. If someone mocked a stereotypical black woman's speech and mannerisms nothing would be masculine about it, just ghetto.


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I think it's harder for women to be maintained

...most men don't need to cowash 3-4 times a week, comb their hair, deep condition, get their nails manicured, wear heels, etc.

Men aren't judged as hard when it comes to their looks.

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I think it's the same. Men are judged for appearances just not as hashly as women. But we are judge by being masculine and strong and not showing not one sign of weakness.
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