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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Nov 26 2013 at 6:52pm
Originally posted by mrshairdo mrshairdo wrote:

Originally posted by OoDles O OoDles O wrote:

Honestly ... The reason imo why racism in America seems so prevalent is because ... well, yeah we discuss it more.. Cause we're allowed to discuss it and call it out ...but also because Black people in America do hold a considerable amount of power.... and anytime one group is close to a certain amount of power.. The group who feels like they may be losing power starts to clamp down.

Where in a long transitional luhhhhhh period that is generational. 

but also the injustices that occur are on a different level imo...and obviously that's me speaking from a western (Canada, Europe, US) perspective

but yea some of the things that happen regarding black ppl have my mouth dropped a lot of the time...i've been on bhm since 2009 and so yea i've probably grown biased but again i'm sure this thread was meant to be opinion based anyway...and i don't experience stuff lke that in Canada, nor did I see things happening like that in England...

and again that isn't to mean Canada is perfect cuz we have our own issues (hello Toronto crack mayor!?!) but in regards to race relations, I don't see things happening as crazy as they do in the US. 

I want to work in DC one day but I told myself that it will take a lot of adjusting because I'm not used to how different race is in terms of experiencing it....I was actually scared when I went to DC

Up here we all laugh at the ppl who claim they are from the hoods, because we all say the real hoods are in the US (not in a diss way) but the hoods in the US are SO real...we call the guys here wannabe gangstas cuz even in the hood here, you can still go to college/university on the gov't dime...like it's different, u know what i mean?

sorry for the lengthy response hahahah (havent written on bhm in a minute)

nah nah... this was good... I don't judge... I might make subtle snide commentary from time to time but I do it with love and compassion...but this is good stuff..

also... people feel some kind of way when someone says... " I don't experience "racism" here ".. That quote alone will ruffle some feathers... apparently where all supposed to experience that same type of equal discrimination everywhere...

I personally think they're pockets within this country (the US) where racism is down right disgusting (overt and internalized) while their are pockets of America that our more moderate classist and full of bigotry. Just my perspective 

 





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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Nov 26 2013 at 6:55pm
Originally posted by mrshairdo mrshairdo wrote:

Originally posted by nekamarie83 nekamarie83 wrote:

Originally posted by mrshairdo mrshairdo wrote:

no, you were just a hit dog who hollered because you obviously thought I was dissing your precious US

get over yourself

shiit like that annoys me about you so yea I told you to shut up and gave you your "context"...happy?
 i'm just sayin, calling a place "the worst" is a diss. LOL  

however, you make sense though and that's what i meant earlier by devil i know. for me, america is great by default because i've not directly experienced anything else that's been better or worse. obviously, someone in another country would/could have a different pov of the us based on (in)direct experience.

it be like that.  *shrug*

lol but it's my opinion

when i read all the threads here on bhm about whatever unjust thing is happening to black ppl every week, that's how i feel...it's so sad to me
I don't live there but I feel it as deeply as if i did so thats why my statement was so grandiose like that

I've read threads that have me thinking like how do they do it? How do u live in America as a black person and not be scared? I don't know that feeling

Canada isnt perfect by any means but I mean we don't have the same level of violence and ppl don't get away with it as freely as they do in the States, u know what I mean? Maybe guns have to do with it but it's just so sad to me
 
Correct. It's a complicated culture but people with too many sad things going on but people here will not understand you ... so let it go.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Nov 26 2013 at 6:56pm
How many blacks there?


Percentage wise?

I would consider moving but I would feel inconsequential.
Not a big enough imprint.

Now let blacks make a mass exodus to the Netherlands.

I wonder how them nice white folk would feel then...


I understand the difference in cultures though. Especially when it comes to Americas stupid fear of socialism.

But I think a lot what keeps the Netherlands together is its homogeneity...

A good chunk of that peace is you guys being easy to ignore

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Nov 26 2013 at 6:58pm
Originally posted by jonesable jonesable wrote:

How many blacks there?


Percentage wise?

I would consider moving but I would feel inconsequential.
Not a big enough imprint.

Now let blacks make a mass exodus to the Netherlands.

I wonder how them nice white folk would feel then...



I understand the difference in cultures though. Especially when it comes to Americas stupid fear of socialism.

But I think a lot what keeps the Netherlands together is its homogeneity...

Exactly.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Nov 26 2013 at 7:01pm
this is a complicated question. 


i remember the first time i stepped foot outside of america and thought to myself, self? why is it that i don't feel any different than i do when i'm sitting in front of the tv watching real housewives of atlanta? why aren't i cheesing it up, happy and carefree like the people i saw in the travel brochure? 

the reason why i didn't feel any different was because i carry my dreams, demons, angst everywhere i am and no matter the change of scenery, i am not going anywhere. 

 in order to decide whether living abroad will afford you better opportunities, imo, you'd have to ask yourself, what is it that you're seeking that you can't find here?

yes, living in the u.s can easily suffocate the will and drive out of black folk but it goes beyond our dealings with racism and inequality. because race is such a central part of our experience in america, seeking an identity outside the confinements of our blackness while still maintaining our connection to our roots is a daunting task.

either way, you have to ask yourself not just what it is you're seeking, but what is it that you're running from




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Nov 26 2013 at 7:01pm
Originally posted by jonesable jonesable wrote:

How many blacks there?


Percentage wise?
 
Don't  laugh .. but it's 2.5% Black - though there are alllll manner of other ethnic groups.
 
But color is not that big of a deal so people are not running around trying to FIND OTHER BLACK Folks. Confused
 
The people are more 'integrated'.
 
Is really is quite different than The States and morrrrre comfortable. No bam bam racial upset every 5 minutes and whatnpt (shrugs) it's peaceable.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Nov 26 2013 at 7:02pm
oodles and printer..i'm glad u guys understand where I'm coming from
and printer you're right, i'm done
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Nov 26 2013 at 7:05pm
Originally posted by noneyons noneyons wrote:

this is a complicated question. 


i remember the first time i stepped foot outside of america and thought to myself, self? why is it that i don't feel any different than i do when i'm sitting in front of the tv watching real housewives of atlanta? why aren't i cheesing it up, happy and carefree like the people i saw in the travel brochure? 

the reason why i didn't feel any different was because i carry my dreams, demons, angst everywhere i am and no matter the change of scenery, i am not going anywhere. 

 in order to decide whether living abroad will afford you better opportunities, imo, you'd have to ask yourself, what is it that you're seeking that you can't find here?

yes, living in the u.s can easily suffocate the will and drive out of black folk but it goes beyond our dealings with racism and inequality. because race is such a central part of our experience in america, seeking an identity outside the confinements of our blackness while still maintaining our connection to our roots is a daunting task.

either way, you have to ask yourself not just what it is you're seeking, but what is it that you're running from


Running from? I think you are narrowing this down to a very simplistic concept. It's not that simple. Geesh.
 
There is A LOT  in the world that you will not find in The States. Let's real here.,
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Originally posted by mrshairdo mrshairdo wrote:

oodles and printer..i'm glad u guys understand where I'm coming from
and printer you're right, i'm done
 
They will never get it - never.
 
People have to get away from America to see how the rest of the world lives.
 
Sometimes people ask if I miss The States ... and I can honestly say .. no.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Nov 26 2013 at 7:08pm
being black in america builds character imo. if you're able to overcome all the obstacles while still holding on to your identity, there aint a country in europe or a city in tropical city in persia that can duplicate the experience imo
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